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Post# 1003187   8/10/2018 at 10:49 (2,057 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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I say goodbye to my old friend the Miele W1215 and make room for a new W1.

I have mixed emotions about this.

I did NOT get 20 years out of the unit, it's leaving not quite at just under 14 years so significantly less.
I DID get approx 11K cycles out of it or approx 11K hours of use.

I had it serviced at 10,250 cycles a while back and its developed a mystery spin problem along with a torn boot and I'm just not going to invest any more service in a platform with so many spin cycles on it.

If it were a car driving at 60 MPH that'd be 660,000 Miles - a lot of miles to be certain.

It laundered a family of 4 w 2 teenage boys, 3 beds, 3 dogs and their bedding, towels for the pool, and a sanitize load per day for 5 years for my wife's pet grooming business - it had a hard hard life.

Good bye old friend.....



Uncle Dave


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Post# 1003213 , Reply# 1   8/10/2018 at 18:17 (2,057 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
Don't throw it out so quickly

20 years with 365 days with 1 x 1 hour cycle of washing. 11K hours seems pretty good.
With your household needs it seems very good (perhaps excellent?)
But don't throw that baby away just yet.

I have a W1 (WKB130) and it lasted 1 week. I found the cycles are too long and it only seemed to shave 10 minutes when it was in the mood.

I hope you have more joy with your machine and the programming is more suited to your laundering time-frames.



Post# 1003218 , Reply# 2   8/10/2018 at 18:53 (2,057 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Already gone.

I'm happy to see some capabilities and bummed others seem to be gone. I knew with only 110V and like 20 amps I wouldn't be getting really hot water really fast.

Just spinning full speed will speed up my whole scenario dramatically- I was coming out of the washer with a full load of wet towels nightly that were taking 2.5 hours to dry.

The machine was also adding a rinse mysteriously every "x" wash pushing out the wash times to about 1:20

UD


Post# 1003310 , Reply# 3   8/11/2018 at 13:12 (2,056 days old) by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        
W1

I’ll be thrilled to hear about the performance of the 110V Miele!

Post# 1003325 , Reply# 4   8/11/2018 at 14:43 (2,056 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Miele machines were always designed for about 10k hours of operation since the 90s, so you did get out of it what it was supposed to do.

Your issues were clearly "just" the shock absorbers.
The spin issue is a balancing issue, the torn boot is from the tub swinging to much and the "randomly" added rinse was executed when ever the interim spins couldn't be executed properly.


The W1 will be a capable machine with better wash and rinse performance then this machine. Hope you got one with the PowerWash 2.0 system.
Proper dosing and using the programming functions will be your friend!


Post# 1003333 , Reply# 5   8/11/2018 at 16:18 (2,056 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Hello Henene4.

I don't feel I got gypped, some might calculate that Im not really saving much, but I value the performance.
My pw6065 is supposed to be more industrial and last to 15K but well see about that.

It wasn't the shock absorbers, as all were replaced approx 700 cycles ago, as were the carbon brushes.
Perhaps I should have replaced the springs as well??

The torn boot was from a shoe that ripped the lip off the top- it was still sealing, but underneath the torn "lip" was an aggressive surface (stiff ribs) that quickly took out anything that rubbed against it.

The logic had begun randomly adding rinses as well.

It was simply time.

So far the W1 has had 7 or 8 loads through it already and it's been a gem- more aggressive in the washing a more aggressive ladle set in the drum. Ive run mostly twindos and so far I like it.

The detergent tray is a bit different with a "liquid" insert in what was the powder tray, I removed for the persil powder I have 100's of "Waschen" left that I really like.

UD


Post# 1003340 , Reply# 6   8/11/2018 at 17:04 (2,056 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Henenen - Yes I believe I have the power wash 2.0 -that the secondary recirculator and filter right?
(Miele has an excellent filter)

W1 - Im awaiting delivery of the plinth which is a few weeks out so I reassembled the area and started at it the laundry right away. .

Old unit was really quiet.
The new machine is even quieter.

I found what I needed in terms of matching my old 1215 - " Normal +Hot(60C)+Max Spin=59 min".
W1 Quickintense + Hot+=59 min.

Note the new definitions - old "hot" was 60C. Which is now defined as "HOT+"

That said

The machine is equal or FASTER in my daily 60C wash than the 220V machine ( ?!??! shouldn't be but it is)
while having better balance logic in the spin, a more aggressive wash, and the recirculation pump.

Its a better washer, the higher speed powerwash agitates more than the older machine did in its limited range of fixed speeds.

So far I'm pretty damm impressed.

Note suitcase full of laundry the "adult" offspring units show up with every Saturday.
They are more than happy to avoid the 4.00 per cycle (4 wash +4 dry x 4 loads a week) + soap charge to do it at their apartment and slowly end the life of my machines.....remaining firmly clamped onto the teat of the parental hardware, water, energy, and soap for what must be the worlds longest duration.

I digress-

TWiNDOS currently set at 22 ML phase 1 and 15 Ml phase 2.
End up with just a few suds in the wash and rise.

Perhaps unsurprisingly the oxygen bleach works (which is why we use sodium percarbonate at times) produces very slightly crisper whites than white Persil alone. It's a nice feature that isn't marketing hype.

Its a bit Kafkaesque to have to override twindos every time you want to use regular soap but retaining the powder, handling, (while improving the liquid dosing drawer) had to "default" some standard - and unsurprisingly they made Twindos the default. Thats said it works great and is dead easy to use.

I/we likes the Twindos smell - I was worried about that.

UD





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Post# 1003376 , Reply# 7   8/12/2018 at 00:01 (2,055 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Congratulations!

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That's a wonderful machine. If you want, you can change it to display the actual temp and spin speed. Just turn the program knob to "More Programs", then scroll to "Settings", then to "Unit" to change it.

Post# 1003416 , Reply# 8   8/12/2018 at 12:01 (2,055 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Thanks, I'll check that out

I pretty much just check up using the app now through the phone- bit of a pain setting it up but finally got it.

Thrilled with it so far.

In retrospect, I don't think 1215 had much if any balance logic.

This machine had a tricky 2 large rug load and spent 3-4 minutes before getting the balance just right

UD


Post# 1003442 , Reply# 9   8/12/2018 at 19:03 (2,055 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I think you can change the words 'Hot" "Warm" in the display to the actual temperature numbers. Check the user manual under settings. I think you can also change the spin speed words to numbers like the previous models too.

Post# 1003782 , Reply# 10   8/15/2018 at 14:02 (2,052 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Thanks, Jerrod, I'm having a bit of trouble finding that, but it's not really a big deal.


Ok so this thing is pretty awesome -

I've had it filled to the brim twice now with 17.5 pounds of rugs, 17.5 pounds of mixed towels plus 2 full-size cotton chaise lounge covers (i put a basket on the bathroom scale) and each time it found really good balance and spun up to full RPM.

One time it took 4 minutes extra to balance itself - which I vastly prefer to an abort or slow speed spin giving me hours in the dryer.

Even at its own relative max weight, my 1215 got flummoxed by the same mix of large and small items failing to reach full RPM spin quite often in its latter days.

It rightfully used some water - 78 Litres per cycle -but the final rinse was super clear.
I've seen some cycles use VERY little water 13L in some modes, but Ive got all kinds of adjustability to tweak whatever I want vs the 1215's limited programmability.

Ive now cut 4 loads down to 2 and shaved tons of time and energy from my drying cycles.





Post# 1003785 , Reply# 11   8/15/2018 at 14:53 (2,052 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Page 87

Of this manual (Unit setting):

www.mieleusa.com/pmedia/Z...


Post# 1003790 , Reply# 12   8/15/2018 at 17:08 (2,052 days old) by Dbv (Ohio)        

Congrats on your purchase. We are also looking at the W1/T1 and there are few reviews on it so far in the US, so glad to have found your input. Curious on how the vibration is at high speed? Did you consider the pedestals or is it acceptable at the level it is at.

Are Miele T9822 gas dryer went bad and no parts are available, so time for a new set. Somewhat, nervous about buying a heat pump dryer and hoping that it will not take too much longer than our gas dryer was to dry the clothes. Thanks!


Post# 1003807 , Reply# 13   8/15/2018 at 20:55 (2,052 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Hi D, The HP dryer will take 2-3 times as long as the gas dryer did, and cost a little more to run as well, your clothing will also wear a little more with all those extra HOURS in a dryer.

 

What part does your Miele gas dryer need?, for such an expensive product it is really amazing that they won't back it up, one could just buy a Samsung or LG if they wanted this kind of crappy support.

 

John L.


Post# 1003816 , Reply# 14   8/15/2018 at 23:12 (2,051 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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DBV- Its sitting on a pedestal now and still super smooth.
Smoother than my 1215 even with loads it could never balance.

Would i buy again at this stage - yes absolutely.
I really like the twindos so far, and at 20 ML per dose Im getting way longer than I though- 75 vs 35 loads for about 20 bones. The oxygen bleach phase 2 works better than a big dump of oxy powder. in places

They took some money out of it - the top is cheaper, the door is cheaper,
The enamel is great, the drum is great and the selector know and panel feel great.

The settings are a bit arcane from what was straightforward but overly simplified 1215
Arcane in that the weight limit varies dramatically from load to load, some setting don't have full temp or spin ranges - but I found what I needed that was close enough to be happy.

The control app is kind of 1.0- not much more than a status indicator of where the machine is in a given load and what the parameters are.I wish it had some ability to cumulatively track KWH and water usage - it can read these in real time, but not store them.

Happy i don't need a new dryer yet - my 220V 1405T works just great.

UD



Post# 1003822 , Reply# 15   8/16/2018 at 00:46 (2,051 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The HP dryer would take about 2h max for 17.5 pound load spun at 1600rpm, be much more gentle and FAR more efficent (not more then 1.5kWh for such a load, approx).

Yeah, some cycles are really weired, but the QuickIntense wash (that is called QuickPowerWash else where) should be fine for most of anything day to day.

Play around with the settings. If you ever use the SingleWash feature I'd be super happy to hear your review and description of how that works.


Post# 1003826 , Reply# 16   8/16/2018 at 05:27 (2,051 days old) by Dbv (Ohio)        

The washer seems great, but the HP dryer seems like it might be a no go if dry times are that much longer than the gas dryer. We rarely wash big loads, like with towels, maybe up to a combination of 7 at a time, which would be bath, hand, etc.... Not sure why Miele would not have just made a normal gas dryer too.

I found this site in the UK that reviewed the dryer, at least it look similar to what is available in the US.

www.trustedreviews.com/re...


Post# 1003831 , Reply# 17   8/16/2018 at 06:38 (2,051 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Those are EU platform machines. There are VERRY few gas dryers in the EU, and Miele will not make the same mistake again and try to make an exclusive design for a new market.

Cycle times are highly dependent, but more then 90min is rare. But a vented dryer will be quicker.


Post# 1003852 , Reply# 18   8/16/2018 at 11:22 (2,051 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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The pedestal arrived yesterday and I had to fiddle with the feet and position so the drawer would clear the lip and door opening - took a while but shes leveled and ready - probably time to peel off the twindos sticker.

Henene - Quick intense wash doesn't let me use cold water it only goes down to warm+.
For my preference thats too warm for dark clothes which I usually wash on cold or 20.

The dark/denim load lets me go to cold but maxes out at 1400 RPM spin

for darks, I typically use the normal/cold/max setting which results in a 1:20 wash cycle.

It would be nice to find a 1-hour mode with the temp and spin flexibility.

Ive used the singles modes a couple times now to good success but didn't sit in front of the machine to see exactly how the standard mode got chopped down.

UD


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Post# 1003890 , Reply# 19   8/16/2018 at 20:18 (2,051 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"Miele would not have just made a normal gas dryer too&#

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As noted, file it under "been there and done that".

Miele made a gas dryer to match their uber sized 4XXX series washing machines, and it was nearly a universal failure. Too many problems, bugs and whatever, especially for what was supposed to be a high end appliance (with a price tag to match).

Equally as duly noted gas (natural or propane) are rare in Europe especially domestic. You might find them in commercial/industrial laundries, but still... Thus Miele does not have a large natural market for gas dryers, and never again it seems (after the hot mess that was the 4XXX series) will they go down the path of producing region specific washers and dryers. Things sold in North America are merely tweaked versions of what is sold elsewhere.

Miele also stopped selling vented electric dryers in North America some time ago as well. Long before the heat pump versions arrived only thing one could get was a condenser version. At least new; there are plenty of old/used ones on market.


Post# 1003891 , Reply# 20   8/16/2018 at 20:22 (2,051 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
The dark/denim load lets me go to cold but maxes out at 1400

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Theory behind limiting spin speeds for denims/darks is to prevent those white "crease" marks that can come from too high final extraction speeds.

IIRC many other European domestic washing machines have similar programs now a days.

On whole did does seem as if Miele learned from their mistakes with the 4XXX series uber sized washers and the W1 are streets ahead.

If and or when Big Bertha goes, may seriously consider getting a W1. Though that may be years away so there likely will be something newer on market.


Post# 1003900 , Reply# 21   8/16/2018 at 21:14 (2,051 days old) by Dbv (Ohio)        

I wish there was more user reviews in the US of the heat pump dryer. I have seen one person far that can talk about. Heat pump technology is not proven in the US yet, at least compared to cheap gas or electric, so Miele needs more people to get the dryer to prove it can be successful here, otherwise will be a tough sell. Why use a heat pump of it can’t be near as fast as gas or electric? Maybe it is close, but hard to tell when there are so few facts on the heat pump Miele dryers in the US.

I would like to try another Miele, but really dont want be a guinea pig again and potentially waste a lot of money.


Post# 1003904 , Reply# 22   8/16/2018 at 21:58 (2,050 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If am being honest

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Can't see heat pump dryers really taking off in USA/North America.

Like ventless/condenser dyers the things do serve a purpose and fills a certain need, but don't think many will be replacing their gas or even electric vented dryers with one. Well not unless again the numbers work for them and or they see it will provides benefits that outweigh any negatives.

When you consider electric or gas vented dryers can have lifespans measured in two or more decades, spending a large amount of money for a heat pump dryer that has a comparatively short life (IIRC Miele T1 units measure a decade or abit over with average use), again just don't see it becoming the next big thing.

Now for those in urban settings such as here in NYC living in apartments where they cannot or will not run venting; these dryers are a game changer. Better performance than average condenser dryers and non of the drawbacks such as heating up the area.


Post# 1003925 , Reply# 23   8/17/2018 at 07:01 (2,050 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Heat pumps are all about efficency

If you're paying 10-15 cents per kWh electrical energy, the difference between 5kWh (50-75 cents) 2kWh (20-30 cents) isn't mayor enough to sell a doubeling in drying time.

If were talking 20-30 cents per kWh, 1€-1,5€ vs no more then 60 cents makes a major difference, even more so if you are alrwady used to simmilar drying times.



The T1 dryer design has been proofen over here. You can read the UK reviews and take basicly as the same machines.
Only thing: You need a high extraction HE washer to match, the faster the better.
Download a UK manual and read the cotton cycle usage table and you'll understand.


Post# 1003930 , Reply# 24   8/17/2018 at 08:24 (2,050 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
We've had this debate before

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So am not going down that road again...

United States is a vast country and energy prices vary very much by geographical location.

Here in New York electricity rates are dear: Con Edison is currently 21.0 cents per kilowatt hour, and natural gas is gas, at $1.262 per therm.

Most here use natural gas for cooking, water, home heating and clothes dryers. Things may vary by type of home (older apartment buildings still largely burn oil for heat/hot water for instance).

Con Edison and other utility companies in this state also tack on a vast and bewildering array of taxes and surcharges mandated by local government.

All this being said when most go dryer shopping here first and foremost the decision is based upon what fuel (gas, propane, electricity) is available.

Con Edison has a nifty tool to promote "energy efficient" appliances.

"CLEARCOST shows you what this product may cost you to buy and run. CLEARCOST is worked out by combining the lowest available purchase price for the product that day from retailers shown on Con Edison Marketplace, with the energy costs of using the product over its typical lifetime, with the electricity rate specified, and the typical amount of usage."

Several heat pump dryers dominate the top rankings with a "100" score. However the details tell another story.

Whirlpool WED9290FC - Has a total cost to own and run for 16 years of $4,267

marketplace.coned.com/dryers/139...


Miele TWF160WP - Is slightly better at $2,163 for same period only because of lower energy use.

marketplace.coned.com/dryers/163...

Kenmore Elite 61553 (vented) comes in at $3,982 with a bulk of that cost coming in energy usage.

marketplace.coned.com/dryers/149...

Miele T8033C - Comes in at $2,977

marketplace.coned.com/dryers/152...

Rest can be looked up here: marketplace.coned.com/dryers/QUE...

You can see anyway sliced electric dryers are expensive here, but there is another consideration.

Many simply do not want to wait two or more hours for a load of laundry to dry. This is the same complaints many north Americans have about European laundry appliances in general; they take too long.





Post# 1003932 , Reply# 25   8/17/2018 at 09:14 (2,050 days old) by Dbv (Ohio)        

Launderess: you bring up a lot of great points on the North American market. We really need to see comparison times between a gas dryer and the Miele T1 to get an idea of how much longer it will take. If it is significantly longer, I can't see many North Americans purchasing it. Who has time to sit around and wait for your laundry to dry. If it is only 10% to 20% longer, then that is not a huge difference. :)

Post# 1003941 , Reply# 26   8/17/2018 at 11:18 (2,050 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Here in New York electricity rates are dear: 21 Cents.

How cute.

Google said the average kWh over here is .33 USD for 2018.


Post# 1003973 , Reply# 27   8/17/2018 at 18:25 (2,050 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Google said the average kWh over here is .33 USD for 2018.

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Yes but on that side of pond for various reasons many are used to paying more for various fuels; petrol, electricity, etc....

Here things are more complex and usually rates are driven up by local taxes, surcharges and fees tacked onto bills. Here in NYS we actually pay a surcharge to providing funding to MTA (transit), a fund for the poor who cannot pay their electric bills, and so forth.

www.chooseenergy.com/elec...

Again here in NYC and surrounding area there are reasons why if given a choice people will go with natural gas over electricity for things like heating, hot water, cooking, etc...

Case in point; developers of new buidlings here are cheapening out by installing PTAC units instead of central heating and or air conditioning.

This works out well for building owner/landlord; but for those who must heat their apartments using those PTAC or other electric units get hit with major bills.

www.brownstoner.com/forum...

www.ny-engineers.com/blog/can-el...


Post# 1003975 , Reply# 28   8/17/2018 at 18:47 (2,050 days old) by Lavamat_jon (UK)        

I have extensive experience with Miele heat pump dryers, and I find drying times average from an hour to an hour and a half for a normal mixed load, and between an hour and 15 and hour 45 for a thicker load of towels. A half load will be done in around 40 minutes.

I have compared running times of my heat pump dryer and also a vented dryer using the same load, and the cycle time difference was minuscule.

Spinning at the maximum speed is essential, as with any tumble dryer. Most fabrics can handle a 1600 spin nowadays, and if they can’t 1000 or 1200 is gentle enough. Those that complain of longer drying times will often always have spun at a low speed.

The energy savings alone are worth it - the same load in a heat pump dryer will use a third of the electricity as a standard vented or condenser dryer, and will also suffer considerably less shrinkage. Of course, they still aren’t as energy efficient as a clothes horse or a washing line.

We must remember that heat pump dryers (and electric dryers) can also make use of renewable energy for example solar panels, whereas natural gas is a finite and precious resource.

Jon


Post# 1003994 , Reply# 29   8/18/2018 at 04:06 (2,049 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Speaking of Miele and gas dryers. I see Miele don't even sell Professional gas dryers in the US, while there are a bunch of them on the German site - including an OctoPlus model. I wonder what's up with that?

Post# 1003998 , Reply# 30   8/18/2018 at 06:41 (2,049 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Who knows

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Miele had so much problems with that large gas dryer (that matched 4xxx washers), they probably simply said never again.... *LOL*

Keeping with theme of this thread, not offering a gas dryer likely will lose Miele some sales here in USA. No matter how great their heat pump dryers are, many simply are not going to switch over to electric when they have a gas connection already. This even with the Miele dryer using 120v power instead of 220v.

But then again maybe Miele has accepted they will be nothing more than a niche brand in USA and are happy.


Post# 1004013 , Reply# 31   8/18/2018 at 11:10 (2,049 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Ok just to hijack this thread ......

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What happens when there is no gas ?

I believe Foraloysius mentioned in the Netherlands they are stopping the instal of gas boilers.

We in this little island the UK have a lot of electric driers as they are the norm so anything that saves the darn elec bill has to be a bonus.

There are 3 adults and 3 dogs in my home I do a lot of washing and due to having no space for a washing line have used my heat pump dryer all year round. The cost is negligible compared to the old vented dryer I use for the dogs bedding.

I like my heat pump it may take longer than a vented or condenser but the no heating the room makes for a more comfortable surrounding and it takes maybe a 1/4-1/2 hour longer than the wash cycle so instead of washing everything in one day I spread it over the week.

Austin


Post# 1004015 , Reply# 32   8/18/2018 at 11:35 (2,049 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Yes, that is right. Gas heating is being phased out here. My nephew and his wife have bought a new house that has yet to be built. The new residential area will have no gas connections at all. Heating will be done with a heat pump and they are going to cook on induction.

I am using a heat pump dryer (Siemens) for some months now. The big surprise is that it gets pretty much as hot as the Miele condenser dryer I had before the Siemens. I thought temperatures would be much lower, but I guess it just takes a bit more time to achieve the max. temperature.


Post# 1004016 , Reply# 33   8/18/2018 at 11:36 (2,049 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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speed vs money - Im kind of on the edge with one set speed wise as is, most colleagues have 2 pair of units.

This is why I put 11K cycles on in 13.8 years. Thats a bunch of laundry.

Although its true I can make energy from my roof - natural gas therms are dirt cheap and although not limitless in supply, abundant enough here in the Western US that they may as well be.

Having made the decision early to bias hedonism over frugality - I have very little space left for solar electric, having covered my roof with solar water heating for the pool and jacuzzi.

If I only laundered for myself and wife I could care less what time the units took if they saved money, but it isn't just us - its, us, the "kids", the dogs the guests, and a business. It kind of goes like this

business
guests
Us
Kids
Dogs

My personal conundrum in the speed/ cost scenario is that I have a mobile grooming business to support out of my home, and its 15lb 60C load per day and drying time takes precedence over all personal items. then the kids show up at random times during the week and always on weekends and then you add in the swimming towels, lounge covers and whatever washcloths get used during pre and post swim showers.

My back room has about 25% guest duty, more than most as a Sales VP at a global company I have lots of international and stateside guests and visitors, add its denizens also seem to love the pool and and associated endless supply of high end fluffy towels I supply them.

20 years ago I switched my gas appliances over to 220 to save money but it now becomes cost prohibitive as tiers and base costs have skyrocketed and tier 3 where I seem to land every month ends up at or above.21 As such at replace time -Not Germanic level, they have managed to make electricity unaffordable for nearly everyone in Germany. Same as Hawaii.

I am re-seeking gas alternatives at swap out time to attempt to get back into my respective tier 1,or 2., and about to finish off the roof with solar electric even though the positioning is sub optimal Ill be able to recoup something.

When the 1405 goes "a big Ole" gas dryer is going in its place.


UD




Post# 1004040 , Reply# 34   8/18/2018 at 16:51 (2,049 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
What happens when there is no gas ?

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Not an issue for USA atm, nor for long in foreseeable future.

Had tons of the stuff, and now thanks to our friend Mr. Fracking the United States has so much natural gas we don't know what to do with it all.

Largest issue is bringing infrastructure online and or finding ways to move LNG or pipe natural gas to various parts of the country.

Some of you outside this nation may have heard about Donald Trump and his "helping" the coal industry. Well coal is dying off as the remaining market for thermal coal (electric power plants)are going over to natural gas.


Post# 1004043 , Reply# 35   8/18/2018 at 17:10 (2,049 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Have wondered for some time now how many manage

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To knacker a Miele washer in relatively short periods of time, now I know.

Not pointing fingers or anything, but that sort of heavy usage as outlined above is enough wear and tear on any washing machine, even those built to a higher standard such as Miele. Well they used to be anyway....

Don't think have saved the link, and have forgotten exact formula how Miele and other European washing machines arrive at lifespan estimates. IIRC however things went something like average household doing one or two loads per day multiplied by weeks and into years.

This being said it does seem that Miele's boilerplate "20 year lifespan....", might be a load of flannel these days.

Perhaps their old purely mechanical and or simpler electronic/mechanical washers lasted decades, but the newer pure electronic machines may be another matter. Often it is something like the motherboard or other electronics that fail after a few years. However while the machine technically otherwise is in good condition, cost of new parts and call out charges are dear (especially for Miele). So people often end up rubbishing the thing and buying new.

thinks.jamesbradbury.co.uk/life-s...

www.repairaid.co.uk/washi...

conversation.which.co.uk/home-en...

Whatever claims Miele makes regarding longevity of their washing machines (or other appliances) warranties offered do not come anywhere near. While one believes things are a bit more generous in Europe, on this side of the pond for a washer that costs nearly two or three thousand, you get a barely two year warranty. Even then it is rather limited for what one is getting.


Post# 1004059 , Reply# 36   8/18/2018 at 20:12 (2,049 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
Weasel words

The twenty years is not a promise. Its marketing.

Here in New Zealand on the Miele website it says "Tested for 20 years equivalent usage". Whose usage? The small print at the bottom states " This equates to approximately 5 programmes per week with an average run time of 2 hours".

Not my usage. I think we ran the machine 4 times yesterday and thank GOD it is an older machine with shorter cycles.
Surely the shorter the cycle the shorter the period of strain on the mechanical and electrical parts. Less strain on clothes too perhaps?







Post# 1004089 , Reply# 37   8/19/2018 at 03:34 (2,048 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Here in the EU the energy label is based on 220 loads a year. Not sure if Miele uses that as basis of calculation, but their 10000h claim is held up by most of their machines, even of the last design generation.

Short cycles do mean the machine is on less and thus does last more cycles, but equivalent hours.
Strain on clothes in shorter cycles delivering simmilar results to a long cycle will be equivalent or greater due to the shortend duration of chemical action and thus compensation by more intensive mechanical action. That is all assuming proper cycle design.


Post# 1004090 , Reply# 38   8/19/2018 at 04:11 (2,048 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
10000h

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Is something worth remembering IMHO.

IIRC all sorts of appliances have rated "duty hours" and this includes commercial and domestic laundry equipment.

Thus years might not be the true measure of longevity, but how much usage a washing machine has had over a time period.


Post# 1004096 , Reply# 39   8/19/2018 at 06:17 (2,048 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

AFAIK Mieles commercial DW are rated 10k hours as well, their commercial laundry equipment 30k h and their home DW like 5k.

Most EU washers have designs layed out from anywhere between 1800 and 8000 running hours IIRC.
DW generally shorter due to the harsher enviroment.

The shortest lived appliance in that sense are vacuums, given the EU calculates only an hour of vacuming per week I think.
Longest lived are fridges as they can have compressor designs running up to 18h a day on new highest efficency fridges with ultra low power inverter compressors.


Post# 1004097 , Reply# 40   8/19/2018 at 06:28 (2,048 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
"Tested for 20 years equivalent usage..."

Didn't the Dyson Contrarotator also spew such bilge? And we saw how trouble-free they were...

Post# 1004119 , Reply# 41   8/19/2018 at 10:14 (2,048 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

You want to compare a company producing a radicly new washer design with MAJORLY more complex mechanics without ANY prior experience in appliances to a company that is in the appliance buisness about twice as long as the other company even exists at all?

Post# 1004121 , Reply# 42   8/19/2018 at 10:26 (2,048 days old) by iej (.... )        

Miele stuff genuinely does last a long time.
I have a Miele vacuum from 1995 that has been getting very heavy use and it's still going strong without any issues at all. You just change the HEPA filter once a year or so and that's it.

Their washers are great - one proviso though: don't install them outside of the specs on springy floors.
They will last decades if installed on a concrete floor.


Post# 1004152 , Reply# 43   8/19/2018 at 16:39 (2,048 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Most Miele stuff lasts a long time.

Some don't.

My first blue moon vac was terrible, from cracked circuit boards to hoses with poorly integrated electronics.
The new miele vac has been great

Ovens have been great - only needing one repair in 15 years.

Dishwasher a g851 SC is about 15 years old now and so far has not needed a single repair.

Washer needed a few repairs in its 10K life but delivered excellent performance until the last 250 cycles or so.

The dryer is still kicking after 11K cycles with one brush upgrade that wasn't needed but making a chattering noise.

Its dam solid but not "bulletproof" or perfect stuff - good enough for me to pay the delta - so far.



UD


Post# 1004155 , Reply# 44   8/19/2018 at 17:20 (2,048 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Another weekend another small mountain sent back to the kids....

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Post# 1004182 , Reply# 45   8/20/2018 at 03:50 (2,047 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Are hours of operation claims connected to a certain range of wash cycles ?
I mean if someone favors short cotton cycles all the time but hates the permanent press and delicate cycles wouldn`t it mean a lot more stress from high speed spins on a machine compared to the "average" user ?


Post# 1004199 , Reply# 46   8/20/2018 at 07:07 (2,047 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Washer Longevity

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Is pretty much determined the number of hours its components are run and the length of time you keep it, after this the care it gets and the environment is installed in.

 

Miele makes a very high quality washer, but compared to a Speed Queen FL machine which is a true commercial based machine that is designed to go 25,000 loads average it is just not as rugged or repairable.

 

A Miele is just way too complicated and has way too many plastic fasteners holding it together, it is also much harder to service and parts are not as readily available and EXPENSIVE.

 

The SQ is much larger in capacity which adds to overall life because you will do up to 50% fewer loads, try stuffing an American sized comforter in a Miele.

 

John L.


Post# 1004212 , Reply# 47   8/20/2018 at 10:05 (2,047 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Some items are cycle speed independent like controls and like the water fill solenoids - all they know is on and off, and I had two cold water fills fails in 11K cycles -mostly attributable to our hard water.

A slow turning spinning cycle is a "cycle" nonetheless to those components.


Speed Queen

I could have easily bought a speed queen last round and this round- I have the hookups and space.

As for speed queens and longevity, there are some factors being left out and some assumptions being made that don't pan out equally in every scenario.

If it had the same or equal features and performance as the Miele it would be a closed case and I'd be using one - - they don't.

One big diff being they don't have internal heaters.

They can skip using a whole lot of components by avoiding this complexity.

In terms of sanitizing - for me, I need 1 full germ killing load per day - A hot water fill will not sustain 60C if it can ever even get that temp to drum onceit wont hold. This means in order to truly sanitize anything you have to resort to bleach which reduces the life of fabrics considerably and results in added expense to buy use and deal with vs hitting the 60C button and walking away.

In terms of getting grease out of shop clothes sustained temps get the job done where the speed queen simply won't clean as well as a unit with an internal heater.

Soap+ agitation+ heat= cleaning power. Remove the heat from the equation and the cleaning power goes down.

Extra capacity doesn't always mean fewer loads - unless its so big I can put two beds in at once - it's not.
Id still have to run two separate cycles for the front and back beds.

I don't have any king beds in my house but 2 queens and can comfortably fit one whole beds worth in one load.
If the speed queen were so big it could take two loads (closer to 30LB dry) it would make a difference to me - but it inst that big.

I do a 4 bin sort - and the rest of my loads aren't full to capacity by the time I need to do them so the bigger drum doesn't buy me much if anything based on how I do laundry - If I dumped everything in one load and washed it all on cold then maybe I could see cutting a cycle or so week out but based on my sorts - the drum size increase below a 2 bed threshold buys me almost nothing.

Then let's talk about the drum itself - is speed queen still using plastic ladles?
Put 20 lb of dry laundry in there then get it all good and wet then drag an open zipper over that plastic a few hundred times and see if it scratches - if it does you then that scratch forever drags across your laundry.

25K cycles is a great lifespan. I don't know if they actually make it that far but if they do that's great.
Thing is those cycles aren't the equivalent of the Mieles cycles from a flexibility and feature standpoint.


UD






Post# 1004219 , Reply# 48   8/20/2018 at 12:02 (2,047 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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UD, thank you for your eloquent statements regarding the effectiveness and thoroughness of FLers with heaters.  The European approach to doing laundry is so far superior and civilized than the wham-bham thank you ma'am way Americans do laundry in 25 minutes.  I hope I never have to go back to a top loader of any kind, particularly any washer without a heater.  Since I acquired a washer with a heater, my laundry is far superior in cleanliness and significant dirt/stain removal vs. the American approach. 

 

I hope Meldew in Georgia is continuing to realize and experience the superiority of front loaders tackling horrible messes that she discovered once she got an LG washer with heater/sanitize that functioned cor4rectly and is adjusting to the longer cycle times when needed for those big messes. 


Post# 1004231 , Reply# 49   8/20/2018 at 13:53 (2,047 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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I no sooner opened my mouth about how my latest Miele vac was trouble free- and then discovered this morning - looks like the last person dropped it and broke the extension lock.....

abuse? vs just not stout enough? tough call, either way, it was 126 dollar replacement- that was in stock up the street at the vac store (lucky me)

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Post# 1004675 , Reply# 50   8/24/2018 at 10:06 (2,043 days old) by UncleDave (California)        
Twindos update good and bad......

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On the twindos front, I'm really surprised I like the system so much. I was very skeptical.

I tried Miele soap before and thought it sucked both in cleaning power and smell - it was a chore even to finish the box.

I'm a die-hard Persil fan and was figuring I'd just continue to use my powders I order online and liquid soap I can pick up at Wal Mart.

After a few weeks of use I've dialed back the detergent to 18 ML per dose which would give me 83 loads out of a 19 dollar cartridge (if it lets you go away the way to empty) A far cry from the 35-50 loads I've seen quoted

I find that's enough for almost everything but the stinkiest toughest loads and I can bump up to a heavy soil which adds a few more CC's (pretty sure) to the load. Loads are coming out clean and a bit whiter - that part is GREAT!

I dialed the phase 2 bleach cartridge back to 15 ML per dose giving me an even 100 "white" loads.

What's ANNOYING AF is that twindos cartridges simply aren't available or in stock anywhere!
Everyone is back ordered from LA to New Jersey and I can't find a thing on amazon.

Secondarily the empty user fillable cartridges don't seem to exist in the US- that was part of the program that sold me on the unit.

This is one of the biggest problems a manufacturer can have is when they create a system that uses their own consumables - and then can't manage to supply them.

Theoretically, I'll get my promotional units today long before I run out - but then what?

I'm in a position where I can't get the factory consumables, and I can't use my own consumables as was advertised and shown - what a bummer!

I hope Miele gets its act together on this.

UD









Post# 1004679 , Reply# 51   8/24/2018 at 12:31 (2,043 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Thanks appnut,

I try to add value where I can, but don't multitask very well and often my posts aren't great.

In my head it makes sense but on the screen, it translates poorly - yeah sure the words are English and somewhat in the right order but don't always read well.



UD




Post# 1004680 , Reply# 52   8/24/2018 at 13:10 (2,043 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Empty cartridges

Either order them from abroad yourself or let me know and I could check what I can do for you.

Post# 1004727 , Reply# 53   8/24/2018 at 22:25 (2,042 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Thanks Henene4!

I'm going to try a friend in the UK and if he falls through I'll ping you.


UD


Post# 1004749 , Reply# 54   8/25/2018 at 02:42 (2,042 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        

Integrated circuits (chips) and transistors are by its nature parts that virtually don’t wear by use. By the way they can be easily damaged under many, unpredictable circumstances. The more functions they perform the more they are delicate. Surface mounted devices (smd) made things worst. Nowadays most electric gear contains electronic boards inside to perform tasks once made by electromechanical devices. Talking about washing machines, these now have very sophisticated functions , these can save water and energy, spin at tremendous spin speeds in almost absolute quiet but all this happens thanks to electronic biards that are found in modern machines. There are electronic board made with better components and designs but even in those cases a fault can easily happen. We can not always blame the manufacturer for that. There is a legal warranty time and we can’t demand the manufacturer to replace every electronic board that fails after years of use. Miele replaced the board after six years at the only labour cost, i would like to see how many manufacturers do the same. I bought a new vmw960wps the top of W1 miele machines but I was not satisfied with the product. After almost two years of use I wrote a note to Miele and they exchanged the machine with an older model (as requested by me) and they gave me 8 years of warranty on it. All domestic appliances i have are made by Miele and I can’t really complain on anything. They say their machines are made to last twenty years (i have several washing machines that went far beyond the twenty years) and i guess they refer to motors and drum-tub assembly. Electronic boards fails are mostly unpredictable. The more these are sophisticated the more they are prone to fail.

Post# 1005338 , Reply# 55   8/29/2018 at 09:13 (2,038 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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So you had a W1 for 2 years - sent it back and they gave you another older machine.

Do you have write ups/description of your issues someplace over your dissatisfaction I can read?
I'd love to see your letter to Miele if you saved a copy.
Normally after you own something two years - its yours regardless.

It isn't really the years that count in regards to age but the cycles - did any of your machines make it to or past 10K cycles?

Curious and thanks!

UD


Post# 1005407 , Reply# 56   8/29/2018 at 17:27 (2,038 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Dave,

Our W3933 had a bearing failure at the 8 year mark, under the quality guarantee, Miele attempted to replace the bearings and when it failed again they replaced the spider, backplate and outer tub all under warranty. The Machine is 10 years old now and still ticking along with no other service.

I do think the W3XXX series was the beginning of a decrease in Miele quality. Between multiple houses we have a fleet of W2XXX machines that are now all 10-14 years old and other than a shock absorber replacement on one of them, the rest have needed no service. I've purchased a few W3XXX machines online not working and they've all had bearing failures, plus the W3XXX series was the first one that allowed a cold wash on cottons which has resulted in most of them being crazy mould factories. There is probably a correlation between those things.

My experience has been that you need to remain firm but polite and in most cases they've helped me out. I've pursued them over rusty racks in the dishwasher and always I've ended up satisfied with the outcome. The challenge is when a wear and tear item actually fails then the cost of repair is greater than the value of the machine.

Cheers

Nathan


Post# 1005473 , Reply# 57   8/30/2018 at 07:52 (2,037 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        
reply to Uncle Dave

Hello Uncle Dave,
it is not the first time I deal with Miele and every time i was very very pleased about how they solved my problems. Talking about the WMV960WPS the story is quite long. My aunt broke her Panasonic washing machine so i decided to give my fantastic W4446WPS to her and buy a new W1 Miele. I didn't do a good choice at all. I bought for 1900 euro the WMR960WPS. It started giving problems from the beginning throwing errors about water intake, jumping up and down when spinning and experiencing bad rinses most of the time with indication of soap overload etc. After several calls to the Miele service I decided they had to remove that thing and change it. Technicians directly from Miele Italia came to see the thing acting. They also upgraded it with a new firmware and changed a small pipe to prevent other problems. It continued to give problems so after another call I decided to upgraded to the top of the line model and go for the WMV960WPS. It costed about 2400euro. They came, installed it and left me with my pile of wash. I used it for about two years complaining with the service engineer how unsatisfied I was. They came several times and adjusted the water level to my needs but the machine continued to jump during spin. It had a peculiar way to wash and it left a lot of lint from the fabrics. The quick power wash delivered very good washing results but the only rinse always left foam and I ended with t shirts smelling detergent especially when sweating! I decided to write directly to the chief of Miele Italia to express my unsatisfaction about their new line of washing machines and dryers. A few months before the first W1 washer I bought a W1 dryer to replace an older model (I gave to my hubby and it still works perfectly) and it gave problems for the day one. The only good thing I can say about it is the power consumption is really much lower than my condensation one. It stopped in the middle of the cycle to warn the filters required cleaning so if I left it unattended i ended with clothes not dry and I had to start the cycle again after cleaning the filter (to clean the filter you had to remove it, wash it under water and then let it dry and reinstall. The other problem was drying bed sheets. The drums turns only in one direction making a ball of the sheets and then it starts to bump and bump like if there is a ball in the drum. Everything inside of the ball comes out wet, All this was very annoying. The result of my letter where I asked to downgrade to the older series. They decided to replace my 2 years old washing machine with an "old" XLevel 5000 series machine of similar price I am totally satisfied with. They also updated the firmware of the dryer so I decided to keep it. After a while I decided to replace the dryer too as it still didn't give me the results I was used to and I found a match for my washing machine. It is an early model of heath pump Level 8000 series. Along with the washing machine came a warranty of 8 years on parts and labour. What can I say more? Sure I have the letter I wrote to the Miele chef, I just have to translate it in english and then I'll post it.


Post# 1005607 , Reply# 58   8/31/2018 at 14:24 (2,036 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Hello Brisnat - I had a few parts fail under warranty and repair was swift, professional - and expensive.
Not being under warranty I didn't bother to bring it up with Mile. It seems to be that they took some solidity out of the machines in the last couple generations.

Hello Bewitched, Thanks for the detailed response - I was thinking maybe you already posted this and you could get me a link - vs write the whole thing out but thank you.
Interesting -on aggressive factor/lint
I noticed the ladles on eth W1 machine are more aggressive than my 1215 in height and in profile- that said in delicate and handwash modes the old machine didn't turn the clothes as well and they slipped under the clothes vs lifting and dumping them a lot more. A profile analogy would be roller vs flat tappet cam profile comparison

Also interesting news on the dryer- I'm surprised the dryer only turned in one direction (?!??!?)
I would expect an overly aggressive filtration system on a heat pump or condenser dryer - couldn't you just have faked the washing part and reinstalled dry after cleaning the 2 outer filters?

As for the shaking that's an interesting problem -mine spins out like a turbine - better than my older unit even on top of an even taller pedestal.

Did you by any chance get a vid of this machine doing the shakes?

UD



Post# 1005703 , Reply# 59   9/1/2018 at 07:45 (2,035 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
" dryer only turned in one direction (?!??!?)"

This is a common occurrence these days. Bosch dryers apparently do the same. I too think it is utter madness.

Even so called 'reversing' models from the likes of Electrolux Group (Zanussi, AEG), only reverse for about 12 seconds. My twenty year old Zanussi dryer does this.

Gone are the days of equal bi-directional cycles.


Post# 1005727 , Reply# 60   9/1/2018 at 09:09 (2,035 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Reversing Dryers

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I have never seen any advantage in having a dryer reverse tumble, in every case in the US at least the few dryers that did reverse were always poorer performers compared to the great dryers that did not reverse.

If a dryer just tumbles in one direction it can have a better tumbling and air-flow pattern as evidenced in the best most produced dryer in the world, the 29" wide top filter Whirlpool built machines.

John L.


Post# 1005751 , Reply# 61   9/1/2018 at 12:10 (2,035 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Ostensibly the reason is so that large items dont fold into a ball leaving the center wet.
Seems to work "pretty well" for my T1405.

for certain none of my old American gas dryers reversed and most did a pretty good job at drying.

- but I wonder who has actually tested this. I wonder why Miele ever bothered if the data shows it doesn't help? It's unlike the Germans to add complexity based on a guess- but it happens and they seem to have either changed their minds or decided it wasn't worth the cost - which doesn't mean it isn't a bit better.

Volume and popularity is no guarantee of performance and often more closely related to price: The Toyota Corolla is the best selling car in the world - does that make it the best car?

UD



Post# 1005775 , Reply# 62   9/1/2018 at 15:22 (2,035 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Reversing

First of: If it's on industrial laundry equipment, it makes sense.

Once you hit a certain load to drum volume ratio, reversing is a need with big items. Thus US dryers don't generally use it (keep in mind that most US washer to dryer ratios are about 3cuft to 7cuft) and EU dryers tend to use it.
For the commercial side, this video puts it well (past one minute):








How much you need and can do it depends on a lot of stuff.

Most commercial dryers have seperate motors for fan and drum.
On their first generation of heatpump dryers, Miele carried that design over, but ELux did so as well.
That way, you could tumble however you wanted and did not have to care about airflow.

A lot of older dryers did 50/50 reversing to, but more or less were designed to handle the heater output on both directions of turning.

With the desire to bring heatpump dryer cost down, BSH coupled the fan to the drum motor, increased airflow as needed for heatpump dryers but did that by optimising the fan in one direction only, makeing the other direction basicly useless.
Thus, they just cut reversing.

The T1 dryer range and ELux now both employ sensing of tangeling and both the upcomming Miele and current ELux ranges will feature cycles specificly designed for bedding and/or comforters.

Our current dryer in the flat up north is an Arcrelik and barely reverses (about one turn every 10min).
It's big bar type lifters and intense airflow paired with 100% constant tumbling speed due to the inverter motor keep tangeling from happening.
ELux does something simmilar by using 3 instead of 2 lifters.
What you don't often realize is how tangeling occurs: If an item drops onto itself, those overlapping areas get lifted up together and fall earlier then the rest of the load, falling back again onto themselfes, over and over.
If a motor is not speed controlled and loaded down, the load falls even earlier due to a verry minor and short but existent speed fluctuation caused by the bigger weight concentration of the particular area in the load.
If a motor is verry precisley speed controlled, these speed fluctuations won't happen thus makeing tangeling less likely.




It's funny that I basicly had this EXACT argument with combo52 about a dozen times, explained him a dozen times why reversing on more compact machines makes sense, and he never even acknowledged that or shows the slightes bit of a try to give any reason based argument against my points.


Post# 1005778 , Reply# 63   9/1/2018 at 16:00 (2,035 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Interesting find - pretty succinct. I doubt Unimac has this wrong.

proof would be founded upon multiple accurate data points - so far this is the 2nd 3rd party data point I've seen that backs your (and increasingly my own ) opinion on the subject.

The first being Miele bothered to put it into some models.

My 1405 rotates in fairly equal fashion on normal- on full load it rotates longer in one direction than the other - it still reverses but not as often.

UD





Post# 1005779 , Reply# 64   9/1/2018 at 16:20 (2,035 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Only Miele?

BSH did, ELux does, WP does, Gorenje does and Arcrelik does.

So... Yeah.


Post# 1005784 , Reply# 65   9/1/2018 at 16:37 (2,035 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
Some of the other T1 dryers

reversed on some cycles only
On the low energy cycles and shirts there was no reversing.
On the regular cycles there was.

I found king sheets balled in my old T4888c (with generous reversing) and in the T7944c. My solution was to add two towels because then it would rise up and tumble.


Post# 1005791 , Reply# 66   9/1/2018 at 17:32 (2,035 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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On another note, the cavalry arrived in the form of the twindos promo units.
Oddly shipped at two separate times.

The 2 I bought are trailing behind the free stuff.

First ones are about 60% full after one month at 18 and 15 MM settings.
Didn't count loads but that would be a nice feature to easily see the cycles.

I do have a kill-a-watt on it and last I looked the run cost was expected to be about 65 dollars a year.


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Post# 1005815 , Reply# 67   9/2/2018 at 01:34 (2,034 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        
the new old and the old new

The T1 heathpump I had reversed the drum movement just for few seconds if you used the “refresh” option. It only has a motor that does everything even move the fan that it is shaped to work turning only in one direction. At miele they told me this was done just to increase the energy efficiency class. Sheets dried inside of it where so much creased it was impossible to iron them! My old new heathpump dryer turns equally in both directions as it has a separate motor for the drum, for the air path and for cooling the compressor assembly. Uncle Dave, you could just clean the filter under the door but the machine just would turn for few minutes and stop again beeping loudly. I think they solved problem that affected early T1/W1 models. I saw both mine inside and i can say they are really robust as ever. I just hope my older models will last for a long long time till a new series will be released. I made a video of my WMV960 shaking, i’ll post it as soon as i find it.

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Post# 1006341 , Reply# 68   9/7/2018 at 03:49 (2,029 days old) by iej (.... )        

A tip on the filter cleaning.

Wash it out thoroughly under a warm tap (warm water is essential to dissolve any fabric softener or fine particles.

Gently (very gently) squeeze and shake dry.

Put the filter back in and select 20 mins warm air with the dryer completely empty (With clean lint filters)

The machine will dry out the filter very rapidly. I've been doing this since 2017 withoit any issues at all.

I had a BSH self cleaning system before and I far prefer this foam filter approach! The BSH clogged, despite the claims of self cleaning and it was impossible to plumb it out. I don't really see the point of emoting tanks by hand.

Tip on tangling sheets: I've found "gentle tumble" makes a huge difference.

From what I can see fitted sheets are just difficult in dryers generally.

I'm not finding that flat sheets and duvet covers tangle.


Post# 1006394 , Reply# 69   9/7/2018 at 15:55 (2,029 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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My toughest recurring load - 6-7 area rugs one being 5X2 and quite plush and absorbs lots of water

This would stymie my 1215 50% of the time and I'm at 5 for 5 on full spin outs with eth W1. I've also run this load with another area mat for the back shower- it was flawless.

The background rattle came after the pedestals- the machines a vault.

(yeah that's a squatty potty)








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Post# 1006554 , Reply# 70   9/9/2018 at 06:56 (2,027 days old) by Dbv (Ohio)        

We ended up getting the WWH860 washer and TWI180 dryer, plus pedestals and had them installed yesterday. UncleDave, we changed the twindos amount per what you changed yours too above and shall see if that works well for us too. Seems hard to tell so far, but we have only done two loads.

We are coming from a 4842 washer and T9822 gas dryer and early indications so far are that these could be better. The 4842 definitely seems quieter and much less vibration than the 4842 washer. We also expected the dryer to have much longer dry times, but so far the dry time seem very good and not much different. Still early though, so we shall see.

UncleDave or others any other tips that could be passed on to us? Definitely a lot more settings and choices from our last washer and dryer. They definitely are solid, nice looking appliances!


Post# 1006561 , Reply# 71   9/9/2018 at 09:47 (2,027 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Not really any advice per se (I don't know enough after a 6 weeks or so to give any) - but I'd pay attention to the various weight each program is good for - you only have max weight available on a few cycles.

Is suspect your water hardness will have a lot to do with 18/15 ML respectively working well for you- but that setting works great for me.

On the wireless setup, I had to use is WPS on an apple requires you to log into airport utility and assign the machine as a printer.

Keep us updated on the dryer - and thanks for posting!


Uncle Dave



Post# 1006924 , Reply# 72   9/12/2018 at 11:14 (2,024 days old) by Dbv (Ohio)        

I put in the promotional order for the 6 month supply of Miele TwinDos on Saturday and they are already being delviered today. That is impressive! 3 business days to deliver.

Post# 1009485 , Reply# 73   10/3/2018 at 12:25 (2,003 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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My first load of Detergent lasted 2 months and my bleach lasted 2 months and 3 days.

I'm not certain this machine measures the amount remaining accurately, or is just a simply a counter.

It asked for a bleach cannister change at 10% and I have a fair amount remaining.

UD







Post# 1009501 , Reply# 74   10/3/2018 at 14:49 (2,003 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

If 10% was left, it is probably asking for the refill early so you have time to order it and get it delivered. I would check it and then keep trying to use it until I got as much as I could.

Post# 1009589 , Reply# 75   10/4/2018 at 12:12 (2,002 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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anyone know what happens if you run out and pump air into the line?

UD


Post# 1083297 , Reply# 76   7/31/2020 at 16:22 (1,336 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
cotton/normal cycle

What do you think of the cotton/normal cycle? how aggressive is the agitation/tumbling speed and action? I'd love to see how it performs.

Post# 1083531 , Reply# 77   8/2/2020 at 04:40 (1,334 days old) by iej (.... )        

The one thing I constantly notice on this forum is Miele USA vs Miele in its home market in the EU seems to be night and day in terms of customer support.

Miele Ireland generally bend over backwards to help when something goes wrong and I have found that the main selling point to deal with them. Between being able to order small parts, accessories and consumables for a 25 year old vacuum without any fuss and at resononable price to giving me the mobile number of a regional manager when I was trying to get a kitchen installer to understand how to install the extractor hood correctly, they’ve been just exceptionally good at customer care.

I’ve also zero issue with getting their detergent packs and they’re not insanely expensive either. Order through their online store, delivered two days later from Germany.


Post# 1083545 , Reply# 78   8/2/2020 at 05:49 (1,334 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Post# 1083573 , Reply# 79   8/2/2020 at 10:36 (1,334 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA)        

I generally get good service from Miele although I live close the NJ, so maybe that's why. During the Covid-19 shutdown in NJ, and PA., I even had one rep email answers to my questions about a dishwasher so that was great.

The Normal cycle. The Normal program is the Energy Star or Eco cycle, so it will heat the water but not as much as other cycles, only 13 minutes, the rest of the cycles will heat until the last 10 minutes of the wash. Many any of the cotton cycles tumble fast especially the Quick Intense Wash which uses a slow spin type tumble throughout the entire cycle, spraying the clothes as it slowlly spins. Most of the cottons cycles allow temps from 85F to 140F, and will do a spin of up to 1400rpm. Sanitize cycle is is 167F, Extra white is 140F.

I tend to use the Baby Clothes program for cottons since it provides 3 rinses by default and 4 if you use an extra rinse, and uses a higher water level for the rinses than Normal. There are a few other cycles for cottons that I like too.

Search youtube for W1 videos, You will find those from Europe and some of them show the quick intense wash.




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