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| Post# 153880 9/12/2006 at 05:12 (6,433 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
Hey Guys and Gals, i feel its time to express my views and concerns about the quality of appliances leaving various Merloni production lines. Under any circumstances is this NOT a threatening, arrogant or generally mischevious thread and i certainly dont wish to make any enemies with any members here or passers by. its just a general emotion im feeling and would like to express this with out making anybody feeling inadequate in any way. well now ive said that il get to point perhaps lol. in light of the recent problems several members have been having here with their AQAULTIS machines under various "Merloni brand" names it seems that aqualtis purchasers are not getting what they paid for and i feel this is wrong. after looking at all post and views good and bad i do want to know what Merloni are playing at. They have trashed the good name Hotpoint have built up over the yeas in the UK. Readers Digest named them Most Trusted Brand based on Hotpoint over the past many years and now Merloni are making the machines many people are being conned out of good money for rubbish, thinking they are gettin the same Hotpoint standards or better than they were getting 10 years ago. im not being rude or unsociable etc but i cant help but get the feeling the italian designers like to mess and try too many things and tend to attempt to fix whats not broken. Sure Hotpoints used more water, not the best rinsers and OK wash results but after 25 years with the basic inside design things were getting better with better motors and brushes. bigger capacitys and features the UK public want not think they want but wont use. who uses Rinse Hold? i bet 1 in 90. i dont and my WM62 didnt have it so it was not a waste of a button. i used economy sometimes and super rinse. it had these genuinely valuable features. But with a few tweaks and keeping the same general machine they could have had a good priced well made machine that brits would buy. now we have indesit motors lasting 18 months, cheap noisy pumps, drums, shoddy flimsy cabinets, bendy drawers, bendy doors, drum lifters falling off i could carry on all for the same price............. ? i guess maybe one of our italian friends will comment but let me just point out that whilst they may look nice thats counts to nothing in my opinion if the machine does not do or last, what i bought it for. i think the Italians are generally satisfied with Merloni washers because either A thay have always been this poorly made and our fellow Italians are used to it. B merloni make seperate better quality machines for the Italian market or C the Italians are extremely loyal and dont mind. like i said please dont be offended by my thread it is only my feelings on the subject and this does not make me a bad person. everybody is free to recommend or buy any machine they choose to do so and i wish for that to happen but i would like to maybe have some kind of FRIENDLY healthy debate/discussion on this manufacturer. Peace, Love, and Best Wishes to you all. Nick xxx | ||
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| Post# 153882 , Reply# 1 9/12/2006 at 06:53 (6,433 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK) | ||
Totally agree...... | ||
| Post# 153883 , Reply# 2 9/12/2006 at 06:56 (6,433 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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The best feature of the pre WMA models.. | ||
| Post# 153884 , Reply# 3 9/12/2006 at 06:59 (6,433 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
Nick, on most things I agree with you. Merloni it seems have always taken the lower end of the market. Unfortunately, now they have taken our brands and have cheapened them. I am essentially happy with my WD640 bought this year but have said the over sensitive balance sensor compensates a lot for cheap workmanship. I'm sure my machine would smash to bits if it were to spin unbalanced. The only thing I not sure about is actually how good Hotpoint was before the take over. My grandand had a 1983 model (photo attached) which was great and lasted years. However, just a few years later (87) my mother purchased a Hotpoint 1000 and it was very cheap inside. It used to leap across the kitchen and burnt out after just a few years. The later machines looked cheaper and cheaper. I feel very sad we are not able to produce our own great washing machines. I would have loved to have supported Hotpoint more. I remember Hotpoints excellent dishwashers were taken over by merloni and were appaulling. I would love to design our own British make. Rob Pic 1983 Hotpoint, when they were great! 
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| Post# 153885 , Reply# 4 9/12/2006 at 07:03 (6,433 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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Hotpoint dishwashers........ | ||
| Post# 153896 , Reply# 5 9/12/2006 at 08:42 (6,433 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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Rob
i would love it to last you a good many years but i really cant see it happening. Its such a shame. Your mum must have got a lemon. But even 5 years is a good age for a well used washer and the main problem hotpoint had with its machines was carbon brush motor problems. This was solved with new brushes costing £20 and had most machines up and running like new. The odd bearing change but never much else. Now merloni make machines with so many problems its unreal.
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| Post# 154013 , Reply# 7 9/12/2006 at 18:57 (6,432 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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thankyou viva!
for you kind words. I would like to say that your ariston looks great and if the unreliability is not a problem when the machine looks great to italian folk then thats your choice. As also the price you want to pay however in the Uk we want reliability good looks and performance. And we simply are not getting it withd Merloni appliances. 2 countries with 2 needs are not being met. Ariston are really cheap £250 here now but not much has changed with poor reliability. But to spend £500 on a hotpoint containing the same motor drum timer and bearings Merloni are taking the mickey. When £450 buys a Miele and yes they not look as sexy but thats something miele are looking at the minute but its not much of an issue to normal brit folk and indesits look cheap anyway imo so i dont feel they look good myself. Its not fair an italian company with different ethics should be allowed to con another unsuspecting country. Well anyway im trying to keep the peace so il be quiet for a while. All the best Nick x
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| Post# 154098 , Reply# 8 9/13/2006 at 07:48 (6,432 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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Going back to the Rinse Hold
This is of course my personal opinion but I love the rinse hold button and use it frequently. a, it allows the clothes to hold in water without creasing. b, I can see how it spins I like machines to have that option on all cycles not just synthetics. I seem to remember Bosch did a survey on the prewash cycle on their dishwashers. They removed the option but have now replaced it because it turned out that people wanted it, even if they said they didn't. This was again something I used occasionally. Going back to build quality there is something my Hotpoint/Merloni has a problem with. I need to slam the door shut for the lock to engage. Fortunately, I barely use this machine as it's at my flat in London. I wanted something cheap with lots of features and a nice look, build wasn't as important because of the little use. For lots of use though I would not select Merloni. | ||
| Post# 154108 , Reply# 9 9/13/2006 at 09:28 (6,432 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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Rob... | ||
| Post# 154320 , Reply# 18 9/14/2006 at 01:45 (6,431 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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Meile Quality. . . .
on the £450 miele you still get the 10 year guarantee so i think the price is really just a aim to get people on board with their appliances. A "Loss Leader" if you like. NICK After the faff i had with my AEG Fridge Freezer im really unsure about electrolux appliances. They really do have great solid cabinets, drums and external features but like you say bearings and mechanical problems are writing them off. Im really torn. Although last week i bought an Electrolux Velocity upright hoover (my house mate likes a cylinder and i dont get on with these type machines. Back problems and IMO they dont clean as well. I have 2 cats.btw.) And its great at cleaning being the pet version. The only real reason i bought it was the fact i cant afford a dyson and this seemed a snip at 90quid.And i will never be seen dead with a Hoover Pure Power in my hands . Time will tell if it lasts as long my my granddads 1993 AIRSTREAM which is still sucking strong. But back on to washers i think it high and dry Merloni were put on the Washing Line of Shame to hang. Jon further to your previous posts elsewhere, its not for me to comment on whether you were right or wrong attitude wise (staying unbiasedbut) one thing for sure is now the problems are arising you predicted them well. You know your stuff man! Lol ta ta all Nick
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| Post# 154321 , Reply# 19 9/14/2006 at 02:01 (6,431 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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oh yeah
Rinse Hold. . . .i tell lies. On the rare occasion i put a synthetic wash on at night i did use the rinse hold button my my zamussi but in the 8 months i had it perhaps twice it was used. Im always around when the washer is on anyway and i tend to listen out for final spins to empty it straight away. Maybe i love washers too much to consider going out when i put a wash on. And it definitely is the case with my new toy. Real Hotpoint wm12. Was chatting to Jon on the phone on sunday and it got a little embarrassing for me that when the wash ended i got excited about the distribution with water it always fixates me. Sorry Jon. Hehe lol.
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| Post# 154324 , Reply# 20 9/14/2006 at 02:24 (6,431 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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No money to be made in Washers
I suppose when you look at todays prices, what a machine is expected to do (be quiet, wash ratings etc..) and what a washing machine has to put up with you can see why they have become more economical with the engineering. A dishwasher is about the same price but has to do none of the hard work a washer has to do, like spin heavy wet washing. It's essentially an empty cabinet with a few pumps, therefore must be cheaper to manufacture. Then we think of MP3 players, DVDs etc.. these sell for the same price if not more expensive. It's a sad fact also that we are now a throw away society and I think people buy cheap and then replace a few years later. I bought my Miele in 99 and it's as solid as can be. I love it to be honest but I am worried that they are not made like that anymore. I noticed that on some models they have lost the heavy chrome door. The attached shows a new Miele spinning. Although the motor is quiet, the suspension does sound cheaper than it used to. Thank you to the film maker. Rob CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK | ||
| Post# 154352 , Reply# 23 9/14/2006 at 08:04 (6,431 days old) by lederstiefel1 () | ||
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Merloni... ...and all of you - guess what...? They do not only flood the English market......!! Made in Germany is no longer available, too....except by MIELE!! Rubbish wins! All over the world! Ralf | ||
Post# 154421 , Reply# 25 9/14/2006 at 14:02 (6,431 days old) by chestermikeuk  (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Uniqueness!!! | ||
| Post# 154422 , Reply# 26 9/14/2006 at 14:13 (6,431 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) | ||
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mike ...you have mail | ||
| Post# 154449 , Reply# 27 9/14/2006 at 16:17 (6,431 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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