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Post# 154419   9/14/2006 at 13:51 (6,425 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

To match the same styling of the dryers, Bosch are releasing 8 kilo Euro sized machines in Europe. Funky new paddles, a rip off of the Miele honeycomb drum, and what's more - made in Germany! They definitely are very stylish machines... link follows!

Also they have released vented versions of the new condenser dryers with windows, and are no longer rebadging Gorenje dryers :-).

Jon

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Post# 154427 , Reply# 1   9/14/2006 at 14:44 (6,425 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Thanks Jon!!!!!! :o)


They look great!!! I like the LCD displays! I agree about the drum... I wonder where they got an idea like that, lol!

And I'm over the moon about the dryers... I loved the design of the previous condenser range...
I really wanted one… but I would have rather stuck with a vented dryer!
So should anything happen to the dryer we have… I can get a vented one with the cool door of the condenser


Post# 154448 , Reply# 2   9/14/2006 at 16:13 (6,425 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        









Post# 154470 , Reply# 3   9/14/2006 at 18:13 (6,425 days old) by stratus ()        
wow

 they are pretty nifty looking machines - it was only a matter of time before other peeps started ripping off miele's ideas - wonder if this one has an interior light and if not who'll be the next to rip that one off!!

B

Post# 154475 , Reply# 4   9/14/2006 at 18:23 (6,425 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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gotta give bosch credit tho! those paddles are pretty nifty! if they've addressed the water levels i.e aqua plus then im mega tempted by these models. there extremely nice lookin too! they remind me of the inovations of the range before "MAXX" models came in. E.g "WFF2000" awesome model. similar paddles too! And from reading the press release it seems they have recirculatory jets too.

Darren

Post# 154498 , Reply# 5   9/14/2006 at 19:07 (6,425 days old) by stratus ()        
it was only a matter of time...

 before someone stole the honeycomb drum idea! does this one have an interior light? - if not i wonder who will be the ones to steal that one next? hehe

Post# 154499 , Reply# 6   9/14/2006 at 19:09 (6,425 days old) by stratus ()        
oh bah....

 my stoopid computer - was just looking at this post and my laptop wasn't showing my reply - now its there!! rarr i re-worded it and everything! stoopid computer - i'm going to bed *huff*!!!

Post# 154603 , Reply# 7   9/15/2006 at 04:24 (6,425 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
Thanks for posting Jon

 I really like the look of those machines, and the program dial looks fun (I like PowerWash60 und `mein program', ja?)
Made In Germany, good dryers to match.....could these be really quite an exciting and purchasable prospect? The styling of these is good. I've always loved the styling of Bosch dishwashers too.....

Post# 154606 , Reply# 8   9/15/2006 at 04:37 (6,425 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
the question is. . . .

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will they last more than 2 years? Lol Nick x

Post# 154610 , Reply# 9   9/15/2006 at 04:53 (6,425 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
Possibly......

 If they're made in Germany, mind you wasn't Jon's made in Germany which didn't last long?

Post# 154671 , Reply# 10   9/15/2006 at 09:50 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        

Hm, hm, hm, Jon... I wonder where you got that information from? *lol* ;-)

Maybe from here:

ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/lau...

Anyway, these new washers are built in Brandenburg (near Berlin). I don’t think they have an interior light, nor recirculation.

Here are some more details for y’all.

Alex :)

Post# 154673 , Reply# 11   9/15/2006 at 09:52 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        

Control Panel (Siemens)

Post# 154674 , Reply# 12   9/15/2006 at 09:54 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        

Cabinet and door

Post# 154675 , Reply# 13   9/15/2006 at 09:54 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        

Tub Assembly

Post# 154676 , Reply# 14   9/15/2006 at 09:56 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        

Detergent drawer + drain

Post# 154677 , Reply# 15   9/15/2006 at 09:57 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        

Water inlet + AquaStop

Post# 154679 , Reply# 16   9/15/2006 at 10:05 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        

For the spare parts list go to

www.siemensappliances.co.uk/QUEST...

and click on 'Spare Parts'.

The E-Nr. for the TOL Siemens is: WM 16 S 740
The E-Nr. for the TOL Bosch is: WAS 32790

:)

Post# 154688 , Reply# 17   9/15/2006 at 10:42 (6,424 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
germany

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i believe jons old one was made there and i think its a shame it didnt last long. My mums next door neighbour though has has a maxx which is coming on for 7 years old now. Wan know how i know this? 8 years ago i peeped through the garden fence when they first moved in as you can see straight into the utility room. They had a servis slimline which was quite loud. They replaced it a year later and occasionally i peep through the fence to check the bosch is still there lol its not pure white anymore but seems to work fine. Im no peeping tom though.

Post# 154702 , Reply# 18   9/15/2006 at 12:23 (6,424 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Bosch...

 True, but our old one was also bashed about by builders without transit bolts which contributed to the demise of the suspension and whatever, though getting stuck in the 2nd rinse was a fault of the PCB apparently. Plus mine was really stingy on water levels, whereas these new ones don't appear to be.

Who knows anyway - one of this may be sitting next to the Miele (and perhaps the matching vented dryer too) when the AEG washer bearings finally get too bad.

Jon

Post# 154798 , Reply# 19   9/15/2006 at 21:21 (6,424 days old) by babyboy ()        
Cycles

 Here's the (special) cycle chart for the non-Exclusive models. The "Exclusive" models additionally feature the AquaSensor to scan the rinse water for detergent residue and only use 67 liters [17.7 gallons], instead of 80 [in the exact same cycle(s)].

Alex

Post# 154844 , Reply# 20   9/16/2006 at 06:50 (6,424 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Alex - thanks for posting the chart, any idea on light soil Cotton cycle times?

I'm liking these new Bosch models more and more. On paper at least they look a damn whole lot better than the previous Maxx series.

I think the Cottons Eco cycle will be one that I would never use :-).

Jon

Post# 154940 , Reply# 21   9/16/2006 at 16:28 (6,423 days old) by babyboy ()        
Well Jon...

 By posting those eBay pics above, you could’ve almost answered the question yourself. :-)

In the first picture you see the dial being set to the Cottons cycle (first cycle on the right) and in the second picture the display reads “fertig in: 1:36”, which means in English “done in 1:36”. So I guess that’s the regular cycle time. I might head out to the stores next week – but I doubt they’ll have a model to “play” with – I’ll see.

BTW – the above-pictured model is one of the Exclusive ones. The regular series doesn’t have the “My Cycle” settings “Mein Programm 1 & 2” – instead they have “Curtains” and “Darks/Jeans”.

Alex

Post# 154988 , Reply# 22   9/16/2006 at 21:02 (6,423 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Thanks, Jon

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The chrome in pic -03 is so bright with the interior light that it looks like a mirror--so cool

Post# 156111 , Reply# 23   9/21/2006 at 16:45 (6,418 days old) by mattb36469 ()        

Humm Jon are you aware the companys exchange development information all the time? I can bet you the milie has had some influence from hotpoint, bosch ect.

Just a note been reading and all I see on your posts is "My Milie" and about cheap washers being crap.

Not all of them are, you can get some damn good cheap washers that last.

When you buy a milie your buying a brand image thats it. It dont neccisarrily make it the best.

My grandmother had one and it used to not finish cycles and rip holes in her clothes.

Milie mechanics told her that it was working fine, I dont call holes in your clothes working fine. Anyhow she got rid of it with milies poor customer service and not wanting to fix it.

Post# 156121 , Reply# 24   9/21/2006 at 17:10 (6,418 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

You can get cheap machines that will last, but equally you can get ones that will fail within a couple of weeks. It's a matter of luck.

Saying that, it's the same no matter how much you spend - you can get a Miele lemon too, but it's less likely than a, say, Servis or Ariston lemon because they are producing at a slightly lower volume and with more stringent quality control.

Post# 156334 , Reply# 25   9/22/2006 at 12:28 (6,417 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Well all I can say, Matt, is that in my general experience the best modern day machines do indeed seem to be Miele, and I personally think that they are the best. They certainly are more than brand image, and are of far higher quality than most other brands. I personally don't care about the name badge on the appliance, it's what's inside and it's reliability that counts. And I'm sorry to say but as much as I try to like cheap machines their low quality just screams right out. Name me a damn good cheap washer that'll last. The answer will be that most modern day machines won't. I've worked in the appliance field and have seen loads of Indesits, Hotpoints, even some cheaper Zanussi machines that see a death in less then 2 or 3 years. Miele, as well as Bosch and the more decent end of Electrolux machines seem to be the only machines that will last nowadays. That said, you do see cheaper machines that do last, but they tend to only be used by couples or old lady's living on their own... go figure.

Anyway, it's interesting to see that you've just signed up on this website without a welcome first to everyone else, to directly jump in and have a go at me.

Jon

Post# 156368 , Reply# 26   9/22/2006 at 15:44 (6,417 days old) by 2-drumsallergy ()        
Overrated and overpriced appliances

 My sister Grace has just replaced her fourteen month old Miele W2652WPS which cost her £700; the machine would not get stains out of baby clothes, this was a real problem as she has two boys under 18 months. I only discovered her problems about a month ago when she asked me if she could wash a load of baby clothes in my Dyson CR02, I asked her “Why had the Miele broken down?” then she told me about the problems she was having with poor wash performance. Needless to say the baby clothes came out of the Dyson spotless clean using Cottons 60ºC and Ariel Sensitive tablets. I watched her Miele go through two cycles and the only reason I could see for the poor results was the miserly use of water coupled with the tiny drum which did not allow the load to move freely. Anyway she bought an Electrolux Insight WF14108W she is totally delighted with the Electrolux everything is washed spotless clean.

Now for my own Miele experience I bought a Miele W2888WPS which cost £1300; it was returned to the store after three weeks of noise and vibration, the racket it made on the 1800RPM spin was nothing short of scary. I was taken through to the stores office to process my refund when I spotted a familiar machine a Dyson CR02 Allergy still wrapped and available for sale. I took the Dyson and managed to get it for £960 as Dyson had stopped producing washers, I also cam home with £340 cash. Neither Grace nor I would consider buying another Miele washer.

David

Post# 156371 , Reply# 27   9/22/2006 at 16:01 (6,417 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Sorry to hear about your problems, David. However I have a sixteen month old W2652WPS which beats the hell out of any other washer I use, and I know lots of other people too who are plenty happy with their Miele. Again I disagree that they are overrated or overpriced. You can get a Miele for £450, which really isn't that expensive for a washer. And they are the only manufacturer nowadays who actually care about the quality of the appliance.

Mine uses plenty of water and even if you don't select water plus it washes and rinses perfectly, and the tumbling is a hell of a lot better than the AEG which sits next to it (even though the AEG is very good). In fact the Miele rinses better on it's standard rinse cycle than the AEG does with Rinse +.

It seems slagging off Miele is a favourite trend at the moment, but I still stand by the point that they are the best machines out there. They are certainly better than anything else available nowadays.

And while we're on the point of slagging off each other's appliances, I have to say it would be interesting to point out that not only was the Dyson pulled from the market because it overrated and overpriced, but it also had a lot of reliability problems.

Jon

Post# 156372 , Reply# 28   9/22/2006 at 16:04 (6,417 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
FWIW

 ...I also pack my Miele drum full, and the load still tumbles freely enough to be washed properly and it is indeed an excellent washer.

Maybe I'm ranting but I hate people's attitudes at the moment moaning about Miele that is crap when in true fact they are a hell of a lot better than your average £300 Hotpoint or whatever.

Jon

Post# 156382 , Reply# 29   9/22/2006 at 16:28 (6,417 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

I find it very hard to believe that any washer (even Indesit) is to blame for poor stain removal. If you know what you're doing regards programs, detergent, LCB (in the case of baby stains) loading the washer appropriately the washer is just a tool. Blowing my own trumpet here (and I'm sure many would say the same), stick me in any house with any working machine and a basic set of detergents / additives and I will get that laundry clean.

2 Drums Allergy, £2000 between you and Grace on Miele washers and you get poor stain removal and shaky spinning? Wow, that's something I've never heard before. I don't have these issues even with my sister in law's £199 Indesit. Respectfully, are you genuine about this or do you work for ole James D or something?? LOL More inf please.

The point of a better (read Miele) machine is surely dureability and less chance of breakdown, quieter running etc etc. On the whole,I don't think either a Dyson or an Insight can offer an improvement over Miele on this ;-) however everyone's experience is different I guess....

Post# 156390 , Reply# 30   9/22/2006 at 16:47 (6,417 days old) by 2-drumsallergy ()        
My personal Miele experience

 Well Jon I can only go by my personal Miele experience and that of my sister which was less than positive. My sisters Miele had to be dumped after 14 months of appalling wash results and the engineer was out four times and said the machine was running perfectly. Grace did not appreciate her children being dressed like something out of the Beano. As for my Dyson washers my First Dyson a CR01 Memory was purchased April 2001 it has never broken down it has completed over 4800 cycles and still runs like the day I bought it. It is still the only washer that can wash a king size Duvet in a standard UK cabinet. The Dyson washers were expensive and a totally new design and unfortunately did not sell in sufficient numbers to justify their continued production. The Dyson Contra Rotator is a totally unique washer design, nothing looks like them or washes like them. Just for the record the CR02 has not broken down either, it has been just over a year in use.

As for "Miele bashing" you are the expert when it comes to bashing other people’s machines. I am not bashing anyone’s washer I am only commenting on my personal experience and that of my sister with the Miele brand and our experience has been that they are over rated and over priced. As Mattb36469 has said “you can get some damn good cheap washers that last”. I also agree with Mattb36469 about your posts about cheap washers being crap. I have been reading this Forum for years now, lurking if you like so I am all too familiar with your Miele rant and condemnation of cheaper brands. As for the £450 Miele you mention it is a very basic and ugly machine indeed. I would suggest reading through the archived threads one in particular springs to mind; and although you apologised there is no excuse for attacking anyone in such a manner especially a new member.

David

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Post# 156392 , Reply# 31   9/22/2006 at 16:53 (6,417 days old) by glamwales ()        
For Calm !

 Well I want to say “each to their own”! Also.....

I love my £300 Hotpoint. Its cleans really well, has a nice range of programs, good spin and a fantastic quick wash. It may not last and I really don’t care, but that’s my choice.

With regards to the quality of Miele’s, to say its superior to Hotpoint or cheap brands is just wrong Jon. It maybe to you because you own one, but until you have tried all Hotpoint machines don’t class them into the same category.

I have been reading the threads of late and perhaps people are getting to personal about it all !! Be it the cheapest Hotpoint or a top of the range Miele they do one thing and that is wash clothes.

Is it really worth all the negativity? I am not having a go at anyone , But i thought id try to add some perspective !

Post# 156394 , Reply# 32   9/22/2006 at 17:05 (6,417 days old) by sparkcymru ()        
Be Positive

 Lets have some positive stuff come on. There is already too much negativity in the world and it spreads rapidly!

Steve

Post# 156397 , Reply# 33   9/22/2006 at 17:14 (6,417 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I have to say that I don't know what sort of baby food stains the Miele was supposedly having a problem with, but I've never found anything that my toddler can cover clothes in that won't come out in a 40 degree cycle with nothing but non-bio powder. Call me cynical, but I suspect operator error when something like that happens.

I may be new here (well, new ish anyway), but I agree with Steve - let's have a bit of calm about things.

D

Post# 156398 , Reply# 34   9/22/2006 at 17:15 (6,417 days old) by miele2888 ()        
Disapponting miele performance?

 David,i will have to agree with lavamat John.I have a 2888 navitronic for 26 months after owning 30 month old Zanussi IZ which needed new bearings after 30 months. well my navitronic never rattles or vibrates (i shall make a video soon) and washes MUCH BETTER and quicker than the silly IZ. i always pack the machine full with table cloths kitchen towels stained white socks and i get brilliant results in 89 minutes including prewash at 55 celcius without stain removers while the zanussi took 165 minutes at 60 with prewash and with added stain removers and cloths were not so bright and toweles were not soft because detergent was not rinsed out properly.
I have used candy activa smart/blomberg w240/Bosch max kids/hotpoint ultima and ALL of them performed a lot worse than the miele epecilally on synthetics. Miele even at 30 min express cycle produces excellent results.
And i have to mention that that my parents replaced a 24 year old miele with a w3923(the same as johns mum has with slant fascia)and i have to say that its an excellent performer as well. The reason that miele washes better is because the pauses(heavy duty motor needs less)) are very short and the washing speed is variable ALL the time. Especially the 3923 spins so fast in the main wash so that cloths almost cannot bee seen.
Even my sisters 10 year old w840 which uses a motor with brushes has varaible washing speeds and skips one rinse replacing it with one very high level if the load is
absorbent.You see a miele washing cycle is never the same unlike all other machines i have used. The worst was bosch max very boring slow and poor rinser.However it was better with stains than Zanussi or candy.
Dont know about Dyson but many people reported torned cloths due to wear of the material that joins the two drums.

Anyway wish you good luck with your Dyson however here on the island miele is the best washer u can get. Here even clinics use household mieles doing multiple high temp loads every day flawlessly for many years.

Post# 156400 , Reply# 35   9/22/2006 at 17:22 (6,417 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Perhaps superior is for want of a better word, glamwales, though I have used my nana's Hotpoint and it isn't up there with the quality of Miele but you can't expect the same quality for the price but that said I have gotten to know nana's Hotpoint WF340 a bit more and whilst I do prefer her old WM25 (who wouldn't) it is a nice machine in itself. Performance wise (using the correct cycles/options), the end result is the same whether your washing in a 1980s Logic, or a modern Indesit or Miele. Believe it or not I'm not out here to slag off everybody's machines, I'm just over enthuasiastic about what I own and I am quite offended that people think I am a bad person for being so.

As I posted in another thread (actually in the one the very kind David linked to), this site is great because it is a place where we can all be linked by one common interest and it's a good site because of everybody using and liking different machines. We shouldn't waste our time arguing here, and if people really do want to nitpick somebody's posts then they should do that privately via email and not try and heat up threads on here.

Jon

Post# 156402 , Reply# 36   9/22/2006 at 17:26 (6,417 days old) by 2-drumsallergy ()        

Hi nickuk yes I am a totally honest person and what would I possibly gain by lying about something like that.

Grace tried every detergent and additive available even some expensive detergent called SA8 (which incidentally gave the worst results) the only way she could get the Miele to wash the baby things anyway clean was to under load it and use the 95ºC Cottons cycle but of course this destroyed many of the garments especially the elastic and the plastic backing on cotton bibs. The Miele had less than an inch of water in the tub on the Cottons cycle and it took an age to saturate the load yet the engineer said it was "Operating according to factory specs", and yes he did see the stained laundry after the completed cycle. The problem with my 2888 was noise when spinning it was virtually silent washing but it was frightening on the 1800 RPM spin.

As for Dyson there would be no point of recommending a Dyson washer to anyone as they sadly are no longer made so it would not be impossible to find a new one anywhere now. They are great machines and my only real complaint would be the lack of a time to program end, the display only shows the part of the cycle (Rinse 1 of 3) for example. The Contra Rotation is a very unusual noise, not noisy as such but not silent either however the 8 point drum suspension makes the Dyson incredibly stable and quiet on maximum spin even though my CR02 is on a wooden floor. The Dyson completes a Cottons 60ºC in an hour it also delivers a full 7KG load with an A grade wash performance at 40ºC again around 60 minutes. The fast cycles and throughput is great as we have a large family and a relative with advanced Alzheimer’s disease which has resulted in loss of bowel and bladder control so this makes for a lot of heavily soiled laundry.


David

Post# 156403 , Reply# 37   9/22/2006 at 17:32 (6,417 days old) by 2-drumsallergy ()        
Wrong link

 Here is the correct one.

David

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Post# 156406 , Reply# 38   9/22/2006 at 17:37 (6,417 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

My Miele saturates the load more or less within the first minute or so of the cycle, gets great results even on tough whites on a 1.15h 60*C Cottons cycle, and is very quiet even during the fast spins, as is mum's W3922. As I mentioned before, no problem for me at all with water levels, stain removal, or vibration problems. My Miele is situated on an upstairs floor, and even though the AEG machine next to it bounces like crazy on some loads (usually denims) the Miele is as still as anything during the whole spin no matter what it is spinning.

It's good to hear that your pleased with your Dyson too, but I've read/heard that they're not so perfect either and heard the rumours that they were pulled due to their unreliability. Though I haven't owned one so I can't comment on that, only on what I have heard. For what it's worth I've always been intrigued with Dyson machines, and was also gutted when they were taken off the market.

Jon

Post# 156408 , Reply# 39   9/22/2006 at 17:39 (6,417 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

David, if you cared to read the whole thread you'll see that the majority agree with me...

Please stop with this nonsense. As somebody pointed out further up, stop the negativity and trying to put me down and just get on with sharing the washer interest.

Jon

Post# 156409 , Reply# 40   9/22/2006 at 17:40 (6,417 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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i think out of fairness and appreciation for eachothers feelings,
we must agree to disagree on this one. peoples own experiences and views are theirs and what makes things interesting e.g for me nothing beats my hoover logic n it kicks the cr@p out of ne thin on the market. but thats my opinion! As everyone heres machine is their pride and joy. so lets respect eachother. were a community of closeness here. not bitterness..

end of!

D

Post# 156421 , Reply# 41   9/22/2006 at 18:30 (6,417 days old) by sadose ()        
Here Here

 Thanks for that Darren took the words right out of my mouth...
And yes, my Zanussi timeline is the best thing since sliced loaves appeared in supermarkets (he says sarcastically)

All seems a bit heated and for want of a better phrase a bit on the narrow minded side.

Let normality be restored......

Saj

Post# 156424 , Reply# 42   9/22/2006 at 18:39 (6,417 days old) by 2-drumsallergy ()        

Well Jon your Miele clearly operates differently from my sisters one a full 5KG load in her machine was not properly saturated even after 5 minutes I believe this was the problem but the engineer said it was working correctly. Graces machine did not vibrate on the 1600RPM spin yet my 2888 vibrated violently on the 1800RPM spin. After spending £1300 I was not prepared to put up with all that noise and vibration, the suspension in the 2888 was really stiff to the point that it felt like the transit packing was still in place but it was not so it had to go.

Grace is delighted with her Electrolux as it washes everything perfectly clean but only time will tell how reliable it is. None the less the fact remains her Miele did not clean the baby clothes and the Electrolux does. I have watched the Electrolux through a cycle and its Inverter brushless motor makes it very quiet. It uses a water jet at the top of the door seal like the Zanussi Jetsystem which saturates the load in seconds. I always liked the Zanussi Jetsystem and found even the earliest models gave fantastic wash results.

As for your rumours the Dyson washer was discontinued because of poor sales; but yes there were minor niggles my CR01 which has completed over 4800 cycles (The Fuzzy Logic control system records the total number of cycles) is registered with Dyson and I was contacted by Dyson to arrange an engineers visit as there was an upgrade available for my machine, the upgrade was a circular plastic component called the ramp which is essentially a cam used to engage and disengage the Contra Rotation, it was discovered that the plastic was absorbing moisture from the air and swelling this resulted in it not moving freely and possibly causing the Contra Rotation not to fully disengage which in turn could cause a fuse on the Power Control Board to blow. The engineer fitted a modified ramp (Different plastic used) also a new coin trap cover which included a drain spout and finally a new detergent tray to correct occasional siphoning of fabric softener when the drawer was closed quickly with the dispenser over filled. This upgrade was performed free of charge and the ramp on my machine appeared normal to the engineer. The operating Software was also upgraded.

miele2888 mentions fabric damage caused by wear of the Drum to Drum bearing well all I can say is neither of my Dysons have damaged any of my laundry and there is no wear whatsoever on the Drum to Drum bearing on either machine; I feel sure that if this was a weak point it would surly have developed on my CR01 which has completed almost 5000 cycles now.

I feel Dyson is to be commended for producing such a revolutionary and unique washer design which is 100% British. As a British citizen I for one am extremely proud of what Dyson Ltd. has achieved for such a young company. And before anyone asks I don’t work for Dyson.

It does not matter what make of appliance, car, electronic goods or any mass produced product there is always the potential to get a bad one. Perhaps my sister and I were just unlucky.

David

Post# 156425 , Reply# 43   9/22/2006 at 19:04 (6,417 days old) by 2-drumsallergy ()        
David, if you cared to read the whole thread you'll see

Jon I say it as I see it. I have read the whole thread and many threads over the years, and stand by my comments you defiantly have a tendency to bash other peoples washers despite the fact you don’t own the products you’re condemning. I also read another forum (The Laundry Room Forum) although I am not registered there I have noticed a member there that I suspect is yourself the username is aquarius2101, I have come to this conclusion by the general Miele rant. However if I am wrong on this I sincerely apologise.
I would describe you as having an attitude problem that is my opinion. If you would like to request to the webmaster to have me banned that is fine by me. There are no back doors in me and I am in no way two faced. I always say what is on my mind. This is an open forum so I feel there is no need to converse by email.

This is my last post in this matter as it is not constructive.

David

Post# 156427 , Reply# 44   9/22/2006 at 19:07 (6,417 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I think you hit the nail on the head with your last sentence there David - you and your sister were unlucky. It just so happens you were unlucky with something that you weren't expecting to be unlucky with, but that happens.

We all have bias for and against certain manufacturers, machines, types of machines etc., but we shouldn't let that get in the way of discussing things rationally.

Again, you've been lucky with your Dyson. I've read plenty of reports from people who weren't so lucky.

Post# 156428 , Reply# 45   9/22/2006 at 19:17 (6,417 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

I would describe you as having an attitude problem that is my opinion. If you would like to request to the webmaster to have me banned that is fine by me

I don't want you banned, all I ask is that you quit having a go at me when I have done nothing wrong but been passionate and enthusiastic about a product I own. It may be an open forum but it definitely is not one to target single members such as myself and do nothing but have a go at them.

Jon

Post# 156433 , Reply# 46   9/22/2006 at 19:40 (6,417 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        
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To say that Jon has an attitude problem on a public thread is both rude and innappropriate, while it is your own opinion, it is one that should be kept to oneself especially if all you are basing this judgement on is what he types in these forums. A few of us on this site know jon on a personal level and i think they would agree with me in saying that jon is one of the nicest people you could meet and i know he is feeling rather down about comments made on this thread. His passion for washing machines in particular mieles is something he is and has a right to be enthusiastic about, he doesn't 'bash' anyone elses washes, merely compares them to the quality of mieles.
I'm not taking sides i just think that some comments should be kept to ourselves. Please can we call an end to it now and let jon regain some self esteem.


I'm not taking sides, everyone has a right to their opinion but there are more appropriate places than here

Post# 156447 , Reply# 47   9/22/2006 at 22:38 (6,417 days old) by miele2888 ()        
Come on guys!

 Hey,we are here to make our lives nicer discussing washing machines, having fun and not adding stress to ourselves and destroy the purpose of this side with childish attitudes.
Lets get serious and stop these strong opinions and disagreements. We should respect other peoples opinions and i am sure that both Jon and David and myself came up to these conclusions from our personal experience.
You see not all people have the same tastes and preferences its impossible.
So stop this and get serious guys!

miele

Post# 156473 , Reply# 48   9/23/2006 at 04:41 (6,417 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
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We sold maybe 6 of these - off the top of my head 4 were exchanged for Mieles- draw your own conclusions on that one lol.

In my opinion anything Dyson isnt actually a British product anyway- personally I define the country of origin of anything as where it is actually produced- NOT where its designed etc!

Seamus

Post# 156602 , Reply# 49   9/23/2006 at 21:05 (6,416 days old) by bearpeter ()        
attitude on line...

 I think a little restraint would not go amiss on some threads.
Whilst we all can be a little "protective" of our favourite brands, we all should realise that ALL brands are not 100% perfect. Jon, I can see how sometimes your love of certain brands comes across as a little confrontational, considering the wealth of experience on this site.
Saying that, Jon is a good guy and I am sure, doesn't mean to "raise hackles" with his views. He has, in the past, helped me work out some issues with my AEG, which he did so of his own free will! (By the way, since moving the AEG to Birmingham, I have found the rinsing to be no problem at all!!! (harder water here, the AEG is exhonourated!!!) Towels do not need a further rinse, hurrah!

Take care all and remember, this site should be the LAST place where animosity rears it's ugly head!

Sleep well

Peter

Post# 156648 , Reply# 50   9/24/2006 at 01:05 (6,416 days old) by 2-drumsallergy ()        
Behaviour online.

 I am not here to argue about brands, bash brands or offend anyone; I merely voiced my sisters and my own experience of the Miele brand which was less than positive. I make my living repairing appliances and I see plenty of so called cheaper washers being thrashed doing four or five loads per day with very few problems say motor brushes, drain pumps door gaskets etc.; on the other hand I have also seen many of the same machines needing drum bearing replacement after a couple of years, my point is there are good and bad machines within any brand and no way of knowing till the machine is in use.

Seamus as I have said before I have two Dyson washers my CR01 Memory (Made in UK) has completed 4887 cycles without any breakdowns and still runs like the day I first got it. I also have a CR02 2 Drums Allergy (Made in Malaysia) it has completed 856 cycles again no breakdowns. I am well pleased with my Dysons but I am quite sure that some people have not been so lucky unfortunately this is part and parcel of mass produced goods.

As for my comments regarding Jon’s attitude I stand by them. I have received a number of emails thanking me for having the guts to say what many have been feeling. I know for a fact a number of members of Automaticwasher.org feel they can no longer post on the site and some have even deleted their profiles because of Jon’s bashing and snobbery. I find this bashing and snobbery distasteful and unacceptable and no one should have to leave or miss out on this great site because of this behaviour. It’s all there in the threads and archives for everyone to read. I mean no one any offence and it’s nothing personal as I don’t know Jon personally. Think what you like of me but certain things needed to be said. I have now said my peace on the matter and will not be responding further.

Let’s get back to the fun of sharing.

Happy washing

David.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO 2-drumsallergy's LINK
Post# 156662 , Reply# 51   9/24/2006 at 04:16 (6,416 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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David,

The fact that you are posting that link for the second time, also the fact that you are mentioning other people emailing you (obviously you can't mention their names, but you should have kept that to yourself) makes me think you are a very nasty person. Jonathan apologized in that thread and all you want to do is rub it in again. If people apologize you should have the decency to let the matter rest.But forgiving and forgetting isn't in your book, is it?

Louis

Post# 156663 , Reply# 52   9/24/2006 at 04:28 (6,416 days old) by chrisbsuk (Bristol, uk)        

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is this saga ever going to end?
they had an argumen
jon said sorry
david made his point then said case closed
then someone else opens it up again

i joined this web site to read about washers!!

Post# 156664 , Reply# 53   9/24/2006 at 04:36 (6,416 days old) by glamwales ()        


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Post# 156666 , Reply# 54   9/24/2006 at 04:41 (6,416 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Cake anyone?

Post# 156667 , Reply# 55   9/24/2006 at 04:58 (6,416 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Gettin bored of this now. your tarnishin the point of this thread its about THE NEW BOSCH 8KG LOGIXX 8 WASHING MACHINE. So can we keep it that way.

Thanks.

Post# 156670 , Reply# 56   9/24/2006 at 05:44 (6,416 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

I Love the look of those Bosches :-D

BTW David, Jon's apologised and he is not a bad person, I have no idea why you would think he is... He does like other brands besides Miele, i was walking around Currys with him and he was rather attracted to the Ariston Machines saying he rather liked them, so dont accuse him of being arrogant or having an attitude problem!!!

If you think he has a problem, then your wrong, maybe its you that has the problem!!

Please Can we call this an end to this???

Take Care
Dan

P.S foraloysius I'll have a bit of cake :-P

Post# 156671 , Reply# 57   9/24/2006 at 05:45 (6,416 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

As for my comments regarding Jon’s attitude I stand by them. I have received a number of emails thanking me for having the guts to say what many have been feeling. I know for a fact a number of members of Automaticwasher.org feel they can no longer post on the site and some have even deleted their profiles because of Jon’s bashing and snobbery. I find this bashing and snobbery distasteful and unacceptable and no one should have to leave or miss out on this great site because of this behaviour. It’s all there in the threads and archives for everyone to read. I mean no one any offence and it’s nothing personal as I don’t know Jon personally. Think what you like of me but certain things needed to be said. I have now said my peace on the matter and will not be responding further.

Unfortunately it seems you don't want to let it lie, because you're the one that brought it back up again by posting this and by linking to the previous thread. Good grief man, I know you feel strongly, but there's no need to keep rehashing the same thing over and over. It's just pure nastiness.

Post# 156673 , Reply# 58   9/24/2006 at 06:11 (6,416 days old) by glamwales ()        
Leave David alone

The last two posts have added fuel to the fire and I dont like it. Whatever David said its been said and he has every right to defend hiself. Perhaps he may have been a bit strong but he has raised some valid points regarding the constant bashing of machines and brands.

I hate to see people being ganged up on and thats happening now. Some of us have tried to end this bloody madness !! thanks for starting it back off


Post# 156734 , Reply# 59   9/24/2006 at 12:26 (6,415 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I don't think anyone is ganging up on David or Jon, but people are voicing their own opinions. David is the one who has posted claiming that he thinks Jon has an attitude problem, linking to other threads and claiming to have received emails from other forum members supporting him. This is just not constructive, stirs up the issue and shouldn't have been mentioned.

Jon has apologised, David hasn't, and Matt just hasn't bothered to post other than to have a bitch at Jon it seems.

Perhaps someone should start a thread solely for bitching and moaning, where you take your risk of seeing something that might offend you when you see it ;-)

Post# 156744 , Reply# 60   9/24/2006 at 12:58 (6,415 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I think enough is said. It's custom on this site when the cake is brought up the discussion is closed. Now let's get back to business and discuss the features of the new Bosch machines. In a new thread I suggest.

Post# 156771 , Reply# 61   9/24/2006 at 16:01 (6,415 days old) by carlstock ()        
Politeness, Manners...

 Come on, children – play nicely now. ;-) Remember that the focus is on the machines.

Don’t make me break out the detention slips… ;-) (That’s punishment, by the way – not that I have any authority here… LOL)

Carl

Post# 156772 , Reply# 62   9/24/2006 at 16:10 (6,415 days old) by carlstock ()        
I person or on the Web - any difference?

 In any case, when posting on forums like this, it may be worth thinking this first: would you say to the recipients’ face what you are about to post?

Post# 156773 , Reply# 63   9/24/2006 at 16:11 (6,415 days old) by carlstock ()        

I meant to say "In person or on the Web - any difference?" above.


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