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Post# 157096   9/25/2006 at 22:22 (6,393 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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OK not that queen, and now that I have your attention, check out my progress on combining two 1957 Speed Queens into one. Here is the restored unit with the cabinet and outer tub removed, ready for testing. I sure hope I remembered to bolt the tub down securely, otherwise we might have some chipped pink porcelain.




Post# 157098 , Reply# 1   9/25/2006 at 22:27 (6,393 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Yey Robert! Looks like things are coming together nicely - is that a new pump and possible clutch?

Ben


Post# 157110 , Reply# 2   9/26/2006 at 00:16 (6,393 days old) by brettsomers ()        

with the title of that link, i was expecting the Queen to come flying apart mid-spin! devious!

Post# 157113 , Reply# 3   9/26/2006 at 00:43 (6,393 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Majestic

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That Speed Queen looks like it's coming along very nicely.
Can't wait to see more.

Patrick


Post# 157116 , Reply# 4   9/26/2006 at 00:53 (6,393 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Fun seeing the interesting damper system and all of the components, and can't wait until you have it running again. I notice a shiny new fluid drive and pump, but what other sort of work/replacement was involved?

Post# 157143 , Reply# 5   9/26/2006 at 03:33 (6,393 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        

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Looks like she is coming right along.

Post# 157144 , Reply# 6   9/26/2006 at 03:41 (6,393 days old) by sudsman ()        
Robert

Very nice and amazingly not very noisey like a lot of the older queens.... Is that a U L approved test ??hee hee

Post# 157167 , Reply# 7   9/26/2006 at 07:10 (6,392 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
OOOOHHH

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That was FUN lets do it again!!
I never knew that fluid drive turned!! I thought just the gut inside turned. But ofcourse out East here we have never seen any of these machines.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..........


Post# 157168 , Reply# 8   9/26/2006 at 07:48 (6,392 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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I am with Austin, cool damper system, very interesting!

Steve


Post# 157171 , Reply# 9   9/26/2006 at 08:01 (6,392 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Wow!

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Great video..now i know how my 1963 Fluid Drive Simpson works...except it spins clockwise.

Leon


Post# 157182 , Reply# 10   9/26/2006 at 08:22 (6,392 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Noisy old queens

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Amazing to me that new AmanaTags looks very similar in engineering.

Post# 157241 , Reply# 11   9/26/2006 at 13:14 (6,392 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Austin, here is the work that has been done so far:

Brand NOS (new old stock) Fluid Drive Assembly
Brand NOS Pump
Brand NOS Center Post and Agitator Bearing
Brand NOS Agitator Shaft
Brand New Spin Bearings
Brand New Cogged Drive Belts
Removed 600 rpm spin pulley and replaced with 700rpm Coin-op
Cleaned and tightened supsension snubbers, pads and springs
Cleaned motor

More to come.


Post# 157244 , Reply# 12   9/26/2006 at 13:53 (6,392 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Why do you think SQ had such a tall agitator? To help keep water out of the transmission?

Post# 157248 , Reply# 13   9/26/2006 at 14:30 (6,392 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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That's indeed a fun video! I love Speed Queens. And Queens in general. LOL

Post# 157265 , Reply# 14   9/26/2006 at 15:37 (6,392 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Love It

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I too love this machine. Why did the Coin-ops have a higher RPM spin pulley?

MRB


Post# 157267 , Reply# 15   9/26/2006 at 15:39 (6,392 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        

Can someone explain me how that fluid drive system works? Is it like clutch in a car or not? Or am I totally wrong:)

Post# 157285 , Reply# 16   9/26/2006 at 16:59 (6,392 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Advertising come to life! That is too cool - I'm with Jon, let's do that again!

Post# 157297 , Reply# 17   9/26/2006 at 17:52 (6,392 days old) by rickr (.)        
Yay Robert!!

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So cool to see it all going on like that!! Can't wait to see the finished product!

Post# 157301 , Reply# 18   9/26/2006 at 18:05 (6,392 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Glayds, the dog

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What did she think of this wild spinning creature?

Too bad you're not insane and didn't fill the tub with water and let it squirt all over kingdom come.

What a treat, Roberto!

Thank You,

Miguel


Post# 157312 , Reply# 19   9/26/2006 at 18:26 (6,392 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
way cool

Robert that was interesting i have never seen those parts wheeling around like that Thanks, Beautiful work alr2903

Post# 157314 , Reply# 20   9/26/2006 at 18:36 (6,392 days old) by nasadowsk ()        

Fluid drive is just what the name says it is.

The inside of the fluid unit is filled with an oil, and there's an impeller, spun by the motor. The walls of the unit have ribs inside, and as the impeller spins, it flings the oil around, spinning the outside shell, which has the drive pulley mounted on it.

Ok, I can't figure out how it stops spinning :(

Anyway, it's much like the Chrysler 'fluid drive' cars of the 40's, or like the early Hydramatic car transmission.

It's NOT like a torque converter, but it IS the direct ancestor to them. A TC has one other element, a stator.


Post# 157339 , Reply# 21   9/26/2006 at 21:38 (6,392 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

Dude, what an awesome video clip! There's so much stuff moving and spinning around in there! That's definitely a well built machine from the sounds of it...a very precision sound. I was suprised to see the outer tub spinning too. I don't know of too many other washers that spin the outer tub like that. I also noticed the agitator transmission stays running during the spin cycle too...just obviously not engaged.

What a fascinating machine! I'm gonna hafta put that one on my list of desireable things to get! I would love to rebuild one, but use a plexiglass front on it, and then paint up the interior stuff nice and pretty and have like an LED light or a CCFT shining on the stuff while it does it's job...that's just too much animation to hide under a cover!


Post# 157349 , Reply# 22   9/26/2006 at 21:59 (6,392 days old) by brettsomers ()        

i WAS kinda hoping water would start being thrown allover...

Post# 157418 , Reply# 23   9/27/2006 at 08:51 (6,391 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I was suprised to see the outer tub spinning too.

Steven, the outer tub is removed in that video, what you are seeing is the inner tub spinning.


Post# 157462 , Reply# 24   9/27/2006 at 12:33 (6,391 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL)        
Thanks Robert....

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for the clip. I just love to see the inner workings of those machines.

Rich


Post# 157466 , Reply# 25   9/27/2006 at 13:04 (6,391 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
yoo hoo your pipe is showing.. ...

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What is the function of what looks like a lever with a rubber hose at the top and a metal pipe further down that sits alonside the inner tub?

Of course it spins with the inner tub.......


Post# 157470 , Reply# 26   9/27/2006 at 13:07 (6,391 days old) by sheerlookhomes (U.K.)        
A new dimension!

that was fantastic! really does add a whole new dimension to the machine...was that the agitator drive oscillating? (presumably in 'neutral' up top, in the tub)

thanks


Post# 157484 , Reply# 27   9/27/2006 at 15:23 (6,391 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
Wondering the same thing.......

What is the spinning pipe on the outside of the inner tub ?

Post# 157488 , Reply# 28   9/27/2006 at 15:28 (6,391 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Ok, I can't figure out how it stops spinning
That's simple Phil, its friction as there is no brake, the fluid drive and wash tub simply coast down to a full stop in about 1:15 seconds.

i WAS kind of hoping water would start being thrown allover...
I know at the next convention if the weather is as hot as it was for the last convention, everyone can get into their swim suits and we can run through the "sprinkler", the sprinkler being the Speed Queen with the cabinet & outer tub removed, spinning out the water! What a video that would make for, watch out YouTube.

What is the function of what looks like a lever with a rubber hose at the top and a metal pipe further down that sits alongside the inner tub?
Steve that is the Sediment Ejector Tube.

was that the agitator drive oscillating?
It sure was!


Post# 157489 , Reply# 29   9/27/2006 at 15:29 (6,391 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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That's the "sediment ejector" tube. It connects under the agitator. It is supposed to help eject sand and other sediments from the wash when the machine goes into spin.

Post# 157493 , Reply# 30   9/27/2006 at 15:39 (6,391 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

"I know at the next convention if the weather is as hot as it was for the last convention, everyone can get into their swim suits and we can run through the "sprinkler", the sprinkler being the Speed Queen with the cabinet & outer tub removed, spinning out the water!"

All of us in itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikinis!
Maybe we should have convention speedos made instead of tee shirts!


Post# 157499 , Reply# 31   9/27/2006 at 15:53 (6,391 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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--eyes roll--

*LOL*

sorry, but 95% of the population should be banned from wearing spandex. Me at the top of the list.


Post# 157528 , Reply# 32   9/27/2006 at 18:48 (6,391 days old) by sudsman ()        
Agree 100% Right on !!!!! ME # 2

My Wranglers will be the tightest thing I will ever wear... I saw that very thing today at the store.. VERY large lady about size 48 in Lycra pants .. What a sight to behold I had no idea they would strech that much. God Help us all if she decided to back up.. Hope she has a back up bell!!!

Post# 157556 , Reply# 33   9/27/2006 at 21:42 (6,391 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Wow---amazing video; I've never seen a machine that stripped down before. It's like Bodyworld, but with a washer. Very cool, Robert.

Post# 157689 , Reply# 34   9/28/2006 at 20:51 (6,390 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
That solenoid bang before the spin

comes through so realistically on the video.

What a treat, Robert. Brings back memories.

It's so complex -- looks like it would be a b*&%$ to work on! Probably was a very good thing they didn't break down often.


Post# 158269 , Reply# 35   10/1/2006 at 22:08 (6,387 days old) by speedqueengkc ()        
drain tub

I have a drain tub, if you need it. Speedqueengkc.

Post# 158280 , Reply# 36   10/2/2006 at 00:40 (6,387 days old) by thirtyater ()        

The queen exposed.

OK this thread wasn't exactly what I expected but very interesting anyway.



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