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Thread Number: 8499
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| Post# 160433 , Reply# 2 10/15/2006 at 08:36 (6,395 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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Post# 160455 , Reply# 3 10/15/2006 at 11:24 (6,395 days old) by gansky1  (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Whirlpool, GE, etc. offered two sizes of washers (and dryers usually) for many years and WP & GE still do. Maytag introduced the larger capacity washers in 1966 with the Washpower Automatic series and also redesigned the cabinet, controls, etc. More importantly for the function of the machine was the Power-Fin agitator and raising the agitation strokes per minute from 54 to 63. As most of us have seen firsthand, there probably isn't a lot of difference in the performance, but those flexible fins did allow a larger load so, in theory at least, the deeper tub would hold more washing. Here is a bit of Maytag propaganda from January, 1966. 
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Post# 160459 , Reply# 4 10/15/2006 at 11:28 (6,395 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 160461 , Reply# 5 10/15/2006 at 11:42 (6,395 days old) by agiflow () | ||
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Too funny....now look where Maytag is at. WHO'S YOUR DADDY! ;-) | ||
| Post# 160463 , Reply# 6 10/15/2006 at 11:54 (6,395 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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thanks for that interesting read, greg. i took your posting as an historitcal Maytag document, inside "propaganda", as clearly noted. not an invite to brand-warfare that some other posters have been quite sensitive about in the past. | ||
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Post# 160465 , Reply# 7 10/15/2006 at 12:25 (6,395 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Pants on fire.
I remember going to Macy's in the late sixties and actually measuring the tubs on GE's to verify what pturo is saying. I realized that the tubs on GE's "HEAVY DUTY 18"'S were only half a hand's width taller than the tub on our GE V-12 workhorse. Then I realized, by going back in the literature and reading the fine print, that the GE V-12 had miraculously morphed into a GE V-14 for a year and then morphed into a 16 pounds "of mixed heavy fabrics" for all eternity. Simply by pulling the activator from our V-12 and fitting it into a newer GE "16" pound machine was I able to verify my sleuthing. I also remember, however, at the time (1969-1970) that Whirlpool offered only 1 large capacity model and it wasn't even a TOL. It had a black SURGILATOR but it looked huge inside--significantly bigger than either the GE or the Maytag. I also agree with gansky: the smaller tubs had a better ratio of width to height for better rollover and washing efficacy. The big manufacturer's cheated for better sales. The beginning of the end. | ||
| Post# 160469 , Reply# 8 10/15/2006 at 12:38 (6,395 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
I own a restored Maytag from 1958. It has a black Power-Fin in it now. The machine does a nice job, as long as is not overloaded. It is very easy to overload these machines, as they just do not hold much. Another thing that I notice about Maytags is that they seem go out of balance very easily with small loads. All the clothes shift to one side and seem to "snag" on the Power-Fin as the machine is spinning the water out, creating the out of balance condition. I think that is due to the fact that the tub is so narrow.There is just not much room from the "fin" to the side of the tub. Usually I can hear the tub tapping on the out of balance tab at slow speeds with a small load. Sometimes the tub taps hard enough to shut the machine down.
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Post# 160476 , Reply# 9 10/15/2006 at 13:26 (6,395 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Maytag beefed up the springs that are supposed to hold the tub steady sometime in the early 60s, but yes, small loads in machines tht spin drain can often bunch up because the water starts swirling faster than the clothes in it. | ||
| Post# 160516 , Reply# 11 10/15/2006 at 20:24 (6,395 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Post# 160694 , Reply# 13 10/16/2006 at 17:19 (6,394 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 160697 , Reply# 14 10/16/2006 at 17:40 (6,394 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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| Post# 160747 , Reply# 16 10/16/2006 at 20:22 (6,394 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis) | ||
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Girls! GIRLS!! We will have no more of this talk about size, and loads to deliver! It is most unbecoming of well-bred ladies. Shame on you all! | ||
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Post# 160766 , Reply# 17 10/16/2006 at 21:08 (6,394 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Today, a Solid Tub Smackdown!
If you play nicely and promise not to tussle over the hype & propaganda (think Rush Limbaugh here), I'll keep posting these. Maytag compared their machines to all the other major brands on the market at the time for washers, dryers and a little later, dishwashers. Maytag did this several times through their history - some with cool pictures too! Now everyone take their seats again and we'll continue with class ;-)
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| Post# 160774 , Reply# 18 10/16/2006 at 21:27 (6,394 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Shame on you all! | ||
| Post# 160811 , Reply# 20 10/16/2006 at 23:47 (6,394 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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Gansky as andrea true connection said, *More, More, More*. | ||
| Post# 160821 , Reply# 21 10/17/2006 at 00:55 (6,394 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York) | ||
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Tub Size Comparisons Oy, what a (washing machine) door I opened on this discussion. I'll take the extra two inches, but I don't think I should have to pay extra. | ||
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Post# 160834 , Reply# 22 10/17/2006 at 04:50 (6,393 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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goils, goils, honestly.... | ||
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Post# 160877 , Reply# 24 10/17/2006 at 11:02 (6,393 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Hey, that reminds me of an old question for you experts: | ||
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Post# 160925 , Reply# 25 10/17/2006 at 15:08 (6,393 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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These pages are from a Maytag 1966 Report on "Competitive Automatic Washers and Clothes Dryers" A solid-tub washer with a metered fill used a couple of different ways to measure the water level, some early machines used an overflow of a gallon or two of water into the out tub and a diaphram or pressure switch to activate agitation and shut off the water flow. The early Maytag automatics uses a float in the agitator to activate a button on the underside of the lid. Machines like Frigidaire and later Speed Queens used a tank system to measure the amount of water flowing into the tub. A small amount of water was diverted from the fill stream and into a tank that was controlled by a pressure switch. This allowed a range of water levels rather than a fixed amount as in early overflow type sytems. | ||
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Post# 160929 , Reply# 26 10/17/2006 at 15:16 (6,393 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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General Electric gets a dose of Maytag scrutiny... | ||
| Post# 161065 , Reply# 29 10/18/2006 at 07:42 (6,392 days old) by washertalk () | ||
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I agree witht that asessment I have certainly taken my share of GE's apart in my life and I know the huge amount of space not only on the sides of the tub but underneathe. | ||
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Post# 161076 , Reply# 30 10/18/2006 at 08:21 (6,392 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 161077 , Reply# 31 10/18/2006 at 08:23 (6,392 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 161828 , Reply# 32 10/21/2006 at 23:57 (6,389 days old) by spinout (Phoenix) | ||
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But that's not all.....is it? And is there a sheet for a Speed Queen comparison? | ||
| Post# 161830 , Reply# 33 10/22/2006 at 00:10 (6,389 days old) by westytoploader () | ||
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It's a 'Noge. The key words are "slows down the spin speed" on unbalanced loads. | ||
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Post# 161844 , Reply# 34 10/22/2006 at 01:39 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 161845 , Reply# 35 10/22/2006 at 01:40 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 161847 , Reply# 36 10/22/2006 at 01:40 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Kelvinator, Kelvinator | ||
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Post# 161848 , Reply# 37 10/22/2006 at 01:41 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 161849 , Reply# 38 10/22/2006 at 01:42 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 161850 , Reply# 39 10/22/2006 at 01:42 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 161851 , Reply# 40 10/22/2006 at 01:43 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 161852 , Reply# 41 10/22/2006 at 01:44 (6,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 161855 , Reply# 42 10/22/2006 at 01:55 (6,389 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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Yay! 
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Post# 161870 , Reply# 43 10/22/2006 at 08:14 (6,388 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I always loved how CU and Maytag found the GE filter pan "cumbersome" to remove and replace. Opening and closing their car doors must have been Herculean tasks to them too. Maytags were a lot quieter, more elegantly designed and probably better built than GE's but our GE, I think, got the clothes just as clean, if not more so, and spun dry as the Maytags. And after 16 years of hard family use, there wasn't one spot of rust on those cabinets. And by the way, I happened to visit a house we used to live in recently and the GE Electronic Control dryer that we bought in 1973 ( I picked it out) was still being used and still looked new. | ||
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Post# 162048 , Reply# 44 10/23/2006 at 10:46 (6,387 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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I really liked the way my old Maytag regular-capacity washer performed. I bought a W/D pair used from a Maytag dealer back in 1987 when they were probably close to 10 years old. They were "harvest gold" so that's one way to date them. The electric dryer, however, was problematic and nearly started itself on fire once when the heating coil broke, made contact with the front panel and turned the entire encasement into a giant heating element. I had to turn off the master electrical switch at the fuse box as unplugging it was impossible without burning yourself on the exterior. I had the coil replaced but the dryer never seemed to work right regardless. Took forever to dry a load of towels, etc. When my partner and I bought a house, it didn't have electrical service for a dryer. We sold the gold electric dryer and replaced it with a white gas one that had entirely electronic control and lighted control panel. It was so simple to use, turn the center dial and give it a push, and it did the rest. There was no timed cycle and I didn't miss it. It dried a load of towels in half the time the electric one did, and went about it quietly. Alas, that dryer got a lot of use by a teenager and finally started making a loud screeching noise and the whole drum froze. I decided to replace both the washer (a truly teen-proof machine) and dryer and gave the washer to a co-worker whose daughter needed one. I'll bet it's still running today. But I always felt that Maytag was chintzy on the capacity and if they could build such a great machine, why couldn't they just beef up the specs and make one that held as much as its major competitors' machines did? They seemed to be defiantly stuck in the 50's in that regard. My replacement machines are Amana's and they are huge by comparison. Much as I loved those Maytags, they were way small for my needs. These days as I plan for a new front loading pair (the Amana's have been nothing but trouble) it's sad that Maytag can't be considered. Clearly, the lonely Maytag repairman is a situation of days gone by. Why anyone would buy a company that made a product famous for reliability and then junk that design truly escapes me. I guess these same folks did likewise to KitchenAid's Hobart dishwashing technology. Is it just me or do they have things backwards? Ralph | ||
| Post# 162051 , Reply# 45 10/23/2006 at 11:11 (6,387 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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Ralph are you suggesting that Whirlpool has the Midas touch, but turned around? | ||
| Post# 162080 , Reply# 46 10/23/2006 at 14:06 (6,387 days old) by agiflow () | ||
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Too expensive to produce with all the steel these machines used...sure WP could build them this way if people are willing to pay a couple of thousand for the old classic styles KA and Maytag had. | ||
| Post# 162117 , Reply# 47 10/23/2006 at 17:13 (6,387 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Post# 162129 , Reply# 48 10/23/2006 at 19:46 (6,387 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Brett, I don't even know if they (WP) have it backwards or forwards. Seems they have a hit on their hands with the Duets now. I think they made a wise decision not to employ Maytag's Neptune technology in their front loaders so you win some and you lose some. And yeah, that whole CU thing about the GE filter pan being "cumbersome" is just so like them. They rated my Amana washer #1 and it's been nothing but trouble, both it and the matching dryer are twin buckets of bolts the racket they both make, and the Amana wash/rinse system is very inadequate. How CU could rate this washer tops when it can't achieve clear rinse water is beyond me. I've since cancelled my subscription. As for the old school Maytag lint filters, the dryers had great ones but the washers' filters didn't even function unless the tub was set for maximum fill. The metal mesh screens I used on the end of the drain hose ended up catching everything Maytag couldn't. | ||
| Post# 162455 , Reply# 50 10/24/2006 at 21:48 (6,386 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Well, I have to disagree with you. I own both machines, and I do not wash darks in the Maytag anymore because of the excessive lint that stays on the material. In fact in the past, I have rewashed dark clothes in the Whirlpool just to get rid of the lint left behind by the Maytag. (both machines on high water level) Interesting points concerning spin drain also. In my opinion the spin drain does not do much unless the machine is of the solid tub type. If fact with the perforated tub a spin drain may simply stir the dirt, and lint back into the clothes. One thing is for sure. The Maytag lint filter is just not as effective as the Whirlpool. I see the results when using both machines every week. | ||
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