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Frigidaire vs Kenmore 2006!
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Post# 164797   11/3/2006 at 08:41 (6,355 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

I still haven't found one of my favorite commercials, so I reinvented only this time, we're rooting for the underdog!




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Post# 164826 , Reply# 1   11/3/2006 at 09:53 (6,355 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Excellent, Jason!!

Were they the same loads in both machines? No real surprises, but the footage is great!


Post# 164831 , Reply# 2   11/3/2006 at 10:05 (6,355 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

It wasn't the EXACT load but it was similar mixed load.

Post# 164916 , Reply# 3   11/3/2006 at 15:21 (6,354 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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"You get more from a Kenmore.. cuz a Kenmore has so much more to give!"
I wish they would rivive that old jingle!!


Post# 164921 , Reply# 4   11/3/2006 at 15:38 (6,354 days old) by brettsomers ()        

well, jason, i watched and used the Frigidaire and Kenmore (and many others, at the tx wash-ins), and aside from the fun-factor of the Frigidaires wash action, i dont see what all the fuss is about. seems that for a 1-18 to turn a load over, it has to be *just so*. same with the unimatic and its tangling/balance issues. jeff(washaholic) and i even joked about it. thats not to say they cant be fun. the unimatic austin has is really very attractive. i can see the slap-storm from the Frigidaire faction now...

Post# 164922 , Reply# 5   11/3/2006 at 15:55 (6,354 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Another FANTASTIC video, and yes, we know who the clear winner is. Believe it or not, the Dual-Action can handle jeans much better than the 1-18. After having used mine for loads of various types and sizes, I think the 1-18s are a little overrated. I know some swear by them, but in my opinion, they're by no means the perfect washer and you really have to get the load "just right" for proper turnover. On that particular load, that pair of jeans on the top (that just won't budge!) was taken out soon after Jason had filmed it, and the load began to roll over quite well. I have found that if I throw 2-3 pairs of jeans in on the bottom of the load, and then proceed to add a mixed load of average size, the machine will handle it fine. It is definitely not good for all-jeans loads, or if jeans are thrown on the top of a large Bob-load, as was the case here.

If the Unimatic didn't have the "perpetual off-balance" problem even after loading the tub in quarters, it would be the perfect washer! Perhaps I should start loading it in a circular fashion like I do with the rest? ;-)

I too would like to see the original someday; it was WAY before my time!


Post# 164923 , Reply# 6   11/3/2006 at 15:56 (6,354 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Btw, that would be a good "intermission" video on the DVD...time for a commercial break! :)

Post# 164950 , Reply# 7   11/3/2006 at 17:37 (6,354 days old) by rickr (.)        

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LOL!! Jason you are really pushing some buttons here! Better watch it, or santa may leave you a lump of coal this winter.

Nice video btw


Post# 164955 , Reply# 8   11/3/2006 at 18:00 (6,354 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
I remember that commercial!!

Jason that does bring back memories!! The original commercial featured fully loaded machines such as these, and then a single gym sock was tossed into each machine. The Frigidaire's sock quickly disappeared, while the Sears' sock just kinda sat there.

It kinda looks like the opposite is happening here though...


Post# 164968 , Reply# 9   11/3/2006 at 19:17 (6,354 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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cool video, Jason.

Post# 164973 , Reply# 10   11/3/2006 at 20:06 (6,354 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
So nice to be older, sometimes

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When the new two speed coppertone jetcone arrived at our home, replacing the tower unimatic, and when I saw the magnificent HUGE agitator with two enormous cones that dwarfed the former circulator and lint chaser, I went absolutely gaga, drooling and speechless, just imagining how fast they'd go and how unbelievable the ride would be.

Then when I saw them in action, I nearly cried. How could this possibly be? How could this visibly more powerful agitator have difficulty taking the clothes under, when the old one had them whirling?

The downward slope of the cones and their wide circumference impeded the curents in the upper half of the tub. I never got over that. And although, I give a lot to have a 1-18, nothing commpares to the sheer joy and freedom of movement provided by a unimatic or a pulsamatic. The cones just don't do it. Many of us were in denial about that for a long time.

And yet, the soothing waterfall sound of the rollermatic as it eased into the low speed first minute of spin, then the click and rush of the dial and pump as it hit high speed and the whoosh of fast water out the hose; the beautiful dial-free multi-colored control glass lit up in the dark; the fun of watching a frigidiare agitator on delicate--that was one gorgeous machine.


Post# 164977 , Reply# 11   11/3/2006 at 20:30 (6,354 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)        

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Excellent video Jason! The original commercial is one of my all time favorites, and I would sit mesmerized in front of the TV every time it aired. Thanks for bringing back the memory, as well as for making an awesome recreation.

In one of my boxes of childhood treasures I have a VHS tape with a commercial from 1986 introducing the GE Spotscrubber Filter-Flo. It's the one where all the different packages of detergent (Wisk, All, Cheer, etc.) assemble to form the washing machine, and then there are shots of the machine in action. My goal is to one day convert it to digital format and share it with the group.


Post# 165001 , Reply# 12   11/3/2006 at 22:00 (6,354 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
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He will deny any claim that Frigidaire 1-18 or 1 18 wichever way you choose to capture the name turns clothes.

"If you are washing a load of jeans, then you must put some towels in the load to achive the turnover".

I said I will not. Then gave an example of laundry preference of softner in Jeans and not in Towels, it was excused as well. In addition, I have only White towels/linen, so was I suppose to mix with with denim???? The conversation came to a close. Am I confrontational? NO, just FACTS.

You go Kenmo!

Steve


Post# 165009 , Reply# 13   11/3/2006 at 22:14 (6,354 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Great vid, Jason! I graduated from high school in '77 and I remember the commercial you're recreating.

Post# 165025 , Reply# 14   11/4/2006 at 01:19 (6,354 days old) by agiflow ()        

Great vid Jason. I love that wildly swinging tub on the kenmore.


Post# 165055 , Reply# 15   11/4/2006 at 07:38 (6,354 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Kenmo tub swinging

Yeah, the tub really rocks with the DAA in it, as opposed to the gentle back and forth of the Rotoswirl.

Post# 165177 , Reply# 16   11/4/2006 at 23:44 (6,353 days old) by mcmodern ()        
Sears called. You're hired.

Great commercial. The dual action is an ingenious design, but for sheer poetry, I still like the old up 'n down. I must load my 1-18 "just right", since I've always witnessed pretty good roll in it. Clothes will hang for just a moment at the top, then as they approach the cone, whoosh! down they go.

Post# 165180 , Reply# 17   11/4/2006 at 23:57 (6,353 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
1/18

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I have saw the 1/18's do a much better turnover than that. I do remember with certain types of loads it was a slow turnover. But most of the time the 1/18 outshined them all. The kenmore didnt look fully loaded anyway. I remember the origional commercial the 1/18 came out on top. But it is true the rapid dry still had a better turnover than the 1/18. But the 1/18 will always be superior to me.
Peter


Post# 165188 , Reply# 18   11/5/2006 at 00:42 (6,353 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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Jason, I notice you even have the message at the beginning just lke the beginning of "Star Wars", that really is 1977!

Post# 165202 , Reply# 19   11/5/2006 at 04:50 (6,353 days old) by agiflow ()        

Well Pete the proof is in the pudding. I always wondered how would these pulsators handle heavier weight fabrics such as denim.

As many here have learned from this site or/and experience, any
top load washer will have a harder time rolling heavier cottons,....but for the action to completely stop???

Peter even with a fully loaded kenmore there wlll be more movement for the simple fact that the agitator vanes will push and pull the load where the pulsator relys only on water currents.


Post# 165203 , Reply# 20   11/5/2006 at 05:05 (6,353 days old) by agiflow ()        

I remember that commercial too with the fade-off GM logo and you could still here the jetcone pounding away. That Kenmore had to have been overstuffed. I have seen many of these original DAA machines in use and rollover was always achieved.

At least GM picked real competition for the time :-)


Post# 165208 , Reply# 21   11/5/2006 at 05:49 (6,353 days old) by washertalk ()        
excellent Jason

I think one would be hard pressed to see a commercial these days showing a washer IN ACTION. certainly not as entertaining as either of these machines.
great job!


Post# 165711 , Reply# 22   11/7/2006 at 01:40 (6,351 days old) by agiflow ()        

That BD DAA has much better wash action then the DD DAA i am currently using,..though the DD does roll the clothes over more consistently...the wash *DRAMA* is so much better with the older style.

Post# 165776 , Reply# 23   11/7/2006 at 09:31 (6,351 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Hmmmm, something sounds fishy to me...

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If the Unimatic didn't have the "perpetual off-balance" problem even after loading the tub in quarters, it would be the perfect washer! Perhaps I should start loading it in a circular fashion like I do with the rest?

That's strange Austin, if that is happening then something isn't right. Is the mechanism leaking oil? Is the unbalanced lever out of adjustment? Maybe its the difference between being installed on carpeting or on a cement floor. I only say its strange because I have four Uniamtics hooked up and they generally do not have unbalance load issues unless the load size is half or less of full capacity.


Post# 165792 , Reply# 24   11/7/2006 at 10:39 (6,351 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Fun video, but it appears to me that the winner is underloaded and the loser is overloaded...

I'm really surprised that the original commercial still hasn't surfaced.


Post# 165794 , Reply# 25   11/7/2006 at 10:43 (6,351 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Frigidaire vs Kenmore

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In the real commercal the 1/18 came out on top. It had a different type of load that really moved. As Peter stated the Kenmore is underloaded. Someone must have the real commercal somewhere.
Peter


Post# 165909 , Reply# 26   11/7/2006 at 16:50 (6,350 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

But that's how the real commercial was setup. 1-18 underloaded, Kenmore Overloaded hehehe.

Post# 165911 , Reply# 27   11/7/2006 at 16:52 (6,350 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

All things considered, it was the commercial that got me interested in the Frigidaire washer, even though they were dissing Kenmore.

But it was the Kenmore commercial and the full page ad of the DAA that made me cut loose from my mom and haul @$$ through Sears just to look at the new agitator.


Post# 165996 , Reply# 28   11/7/2006 at 22:18 (6,350 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
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Honkin nice video there!

Love the music too, its perrrrfect!

BrettSomers found slapped in Texas ,film at eleven! (Although you are totally correct about the 1-18)
One needs to have the water level set 2 inches below the wet clothes for good turn over and grabbing action thats the key to the 1-18.

I did notice the lack of suds in the Kenmore, "If you don't have heaping suds you'll have cleaning failures"!


Post# 166057 , Reply# 29   11/8/2006 at 06:23 (6,350 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Suds in the Kenmore

I was using Fresh STart in the KM when I shot the video. Belive it or not, I use TideHE in both the Oasis and the Frankenmore and it cleans well and even makes a little suds in the KM.

Post# 166097 , Reply# 30   11/8/2006 at 08:32 (6,350 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Hi Robert,

It's definitely not anything as serious as that; the mechanism is not leaking oil, and the unbalance lever isn't out of adjustment either. The fact that it's on carpet could be the culprit. I have it leveled as best as it could be leveled on an uneven surface; the feet don't vibrate during spin but the top sure does! Glenn also remarked during the wash-in about the entire time not seeing a load go through the whole cycle without at least one OOB situation. It was being operated by other members as well, so I wasn't the only one loading it. All machines are different; perhaps this one of the more sensitive? I have to do wash today anyway, so I'll experiment with more loading patterns and see what works!


Post# 166100 , Reply# 31   11/8/2006 at 08:35 (6,350 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Hmmm, that just reminded me! Demonstrating how to properly load a Unimatic...yet another fantastic excuse for you to fly down South and come to the next Texas wash-in! :)

Post# 166119 , Reply# 32   11/8/2006 at 09:24 (6,350 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

Well, Mr. if you remember, I loaded it very evenly. 4 bath towels, 4 hand towels, 4 wash cloths, using the perfect 4 sections method. I don't think it gets any more "proper" than that. Also, when I ran it the first time, the first spin after wash executed perfectly, but the one after the rinse didn't. So either the Frigidaire really liked me or it was just tired of washing the same towels over and over, or it was having stage fright hehehe.

Post# 166125 , Reply# 33   11/8/2006 at 10:05 (6,350 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Austin, if the washer is going out of balance on 50% of the spins then the Out of Balance Lever is not adjusted properly or it is bent. Loading properly is more to prevent tangling than to prevent OOB loads.

I would do this; I would disconnect the OOB lever for 10 or so wash loads and see if the washer spins properly without hitting the cabinet on most spins. If it does I would then adjust to OOB level to be as least sensitive as possible.


Post# 166204 , Reply# 34   11/8/2006 at 14:12 (6,350 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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50%?? In my observations with it, I'd say more like 85% to 90%!

Post# 166207 , Reply# 35   11/8/2006 at 14:24 (6,350 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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No then something is really mechanically wrong. I would be very annoyed if my machines did that.

Post# 166229 , Reply# 36   11/8/2006 at 16:17 (6,349 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Hmmm, well that ain't good at all! I forgot all about Jason's towel load; theoretically it should have spun out balanced both times. It's not the off-balance switch either; when it trips, the tub is gyrating quite a bit and does come close to touching the cabinet.

When go back down to the Studio this evening I'll pull it out and examine for oil leakage again. I must mention that when I put new fill hoses on before the wash-in, I didn't really notice anything out of the ordinary mechanism-wise.


Post# 166242 , Reply# 37   11/8/2006 at 16:32 (6,349 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

Isn't there a snubber at the bottom of the machine? Maybe that's not holding the tub steady enough when it begins gyrating?

Post# 166245 , Reply# 38   11/8/2006 at 16:38 (6,349 days old) by westytoploader ()        
Damnit!!!!!!!!!

I double-checked under the mechanism and my worst fears were confirmed. Yes, the WO-65-2 is LEAKING OIL. Not good at all. The reason I couldn't see it was because it was clear oil that had leaked all over the cross brace and wasn't enough to get on the floor. So now I'm going to move the machine from where it has sat for the last 1.5 years into the main room and put the Dual-Tumble in its place until I have time to see what's wrong, which won't be until the next month or so. Thank God I caught it before any more damage was done; I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

As to the origin of the leak, I'm not quite sure yet...I must find out though.


Post# 166249 , Reply# 39   11/8/2006 at 16:48 (6,349 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Eeeeeeeeeek!!

Post# 166401 , Reply# 40   11/9/2006 at 07:56 (6,349 days old) by thirtyater ()        

isn't that Kenmore quite a bit newer that the Frig.? I had a 1967 Kenmore with the str8 vane gold agitator. It had absolutely no turn over whatsoever. If I wanted all the clothes to get clean I had to stop it occasionally and pull the bottom of the load to the top.

Post# 166416 , Reply# 41   11/9/2006 at 08:32 (6,349 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Oh Austin, I am so sorry. That would explain the OOB due to the snubber plate being under the transmission. No where for the machine to hold it's ground. Well, on the positive side, you are in good hands with repair help. Thanks to Robert for being presistant about checking for that leak.

Last December at the washin it was doing that, but not too bad, so I guess it has been leaking for sometime now.

Good Luck!

Steve


Post# 166427 , Reply# 42   11/9/2006 at 08:58 (6,349 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Yes its probably something simple Austin like an oil leak at the spin trip shaft lever. After you clean up the oil you need to remove the trip shaft lever and take it to the hardware store and get a new o-ring seal to put on it.

I'm sure it is nothing serious, becuase I changed most of the other seals in the mechanism when I worked on in. We want pictures of your repair!


Post# 166684 , Reply# 43   11/10/2006 at 06:55 (6,348 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        

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this is Fabulous!! Thank you!I forgot how much I liked the old belt driven Kenmores

Post# 166704 , Reply# 44   11/10/2006 at 10:08 (6,348 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Great fun Jason, thanks for sharing.

Post# 166967 , Reply# 45   11/12/2006 at 05:00 (6,346 days old) by agiflow ()        

What i really never understood about this obsession about turnover is that most conventional agitators did it pretty well.

S***t even if they couldn't,...brands like early Norge which sloshed the entire load aback and forth had the best cleaning scores in the mid 50's. To Frigidaires credit...best at rollover, but basically sucked at an all denim load? It is a personal let down to me..only because the pulsator force can't move a jeans load.

I used to love my aunt's late sixties rollermatic, but never actually saw it in action...to me that is a downer because my particular loads are heavier cottons.

To me i love the idea...but as i have mentioned, these machines are not the best with heavier cotton fabrics?


Post# 166989 , Reply# 46   11/12/2006 at 09:11 (6,346 days old) by spats ()        

Very nice video :)

Post# 166991 , Reply# 47   11/12/2006 at 09:25 (6,346 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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It is a personal let down to me..only because the pulsator force can't move a jeans load.

Scratching my head, my Unimatics have no trouble turning over jeans, and I wash at least four pair at a time, sometimes five.


Post# 167045 , Reply# 48   11/12/2006 at 13:01 (6,346 days old) by vegeta ()        
the frigi was overloaded

to me the compotion was unfair both machine should i've been loaded evenly we would've seen is master. if that load that in the frigi in the kenmore i think the same thing would've happened, i've put 4 pairs of jeans in my dual agitator and they just stood looking at my face. The frigi cones are way too wide, the top one is barely if not anything, the older three ring pulsator does better job to me

Post# 167050 , Reply# 49   11/12/2006 at 13:30 (6,346 days old) by agiflow ()        

"Scratching my head, my Unimatics have no trouble turning over jeans, and I wash at least four pair at a time, sometimes five."


This is good to know Robert. I always wondered how powerful the currents of this particular agitator was capable of making.



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