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Post# 53061   1/11/2005 at 00:50 (7,017 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Sears has the 3.5 CuFt Kenmore (built by Electrolux)washers and matching dryers on online.

Looks like Sears has gone with a totally new design and features many of which are taken from Electrolux built washers and dryers sold in Europe. Frigidaire's version is due to come out soon, and GE's (their own, no longer built by Electrolux) will arrive by summer.

There are four versions of these units, in keeping with Sear's policy of having two of basically the same unit (one of which is almost always on sale). The link shows the "Better" line, the "Best" which is not up yet has more features like "No Iron" (cold water shower to prevent creasing), and different controls.

What is interesting is that these units hold as much as the "HE" series from Sears, just with a smaller footprint. Many over on THS think the new models will eat into the "HE" series sales as they hold about the same, cost less and are smaller.

L.


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Post# 53084 , Reply# 1   1/11/2005 at 08:33 (7,016 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
No colors

I was hoping to see some black/chrome or any of the new colors that Kenmore is pushing on the HEs.

There's always avocado paint >:-)


Post# 53092 , Reply# 2   1/11/2005 at 11:15 (7,016 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Thanks for the heads-up on the new Frigmore FL's, Launderess. I'll have to wait for the Frigidaire model, as the nearest Sears outlet is 65 miles away. They look sharp! I wonder if the ART rinsing system saves water? I've noticed the water efficiency of the Frigmores is considerably lower than the Hettie/Duet models.

Gee, and I remember Consumer Reports giving the first Frigmores excellent ratings straight across the board when they were first introduced back in '96. CR's most recent report showed them looking a bit dated compared to the super-specs of the Hettie/Duets, Bosch's and LG models.


Post# 53095 , Reply# 3   1/11/2005 at 13:00 (7,016 days old) by davenp ()        

I hope Laundress is happy with herself...
NOW I have to make an urgent call to Sears to order a set of these.

They just look.... So neat!

>>drooling<<

Dave


Post# 53097 , Reply# 4   1/11/2005 at 13:20 (7,016 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Hands Dave a Bib

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You want "Cookie Monster" or "Tazmanian Devil"? *LOL*

Before you contact your local Sears, you might wish to wait for the "Best" models due out in Feb.

Here is the washer:



Post# 53098 , Reply# 5   1/11/2005 at 13:21 (7,016 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Dryer

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Here is the "Best" dryer

Post# 53099 , Reply# 6   1/11/2005 at 13:23 (7,016 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Features of The New Uber - Kenmores

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Here is a list of features for the new models.

The brochure she gave me has four 3.5 cf models - here are the "Step Up" features:

"Better" -- High Efficiency Washers 44052 & 44152:

Capacity: 3.5
Controls: Electronic
Cycles: 12 including Wool and Touch Up
Motor Speed: 3
Spin Speed: 5
Max. Spin Speed: 1000 RPM
Auto Dispenser: Larger Easy Fill Compartments
Advanced Rinse Technology
46% Larger Door Opening
5 Spin Speeds
Heavy Soil Setting
Add a Garment Indicator
Cycle Status Lights
Control Lock Out Option
Delay Start Option (4/8/12 hrs on 44052, 4/8/14 hrs on 44152)

"Best" -- #'s 44082 & 44092 (all of the above, plus the following):

Cycles: 16, including Towels and Jeans
Max. Spin Speed: 1100
Eco Cycle (15 Gallons use per cycle vs. 40 in conventional Washers)
Automatic Temperature Control
5 Temperature Selections
Improved Door Design with Silver Metallic Accents
Easy Iron Option
Soil Settings (Heavy/Normal/Light)
LED Count Down Display
Expanded Delay Start Options (1 - 12 hr on 44082, 1 - 16 hr on 44092



Post# 53103 , Reply# 7   1/11/2005 at 14:04 (7,016 days old) by davenp ()        

Why oh why can't we have a heater on these?

Is it so hard to do? A heater can't cost that much more to add!

Metallic Accents do sound nice though :)

I "guess" I can tough it out another month. I must say though, I like the looks of these MUCH better than the HE4t's.

Thanks for updating Laundress!!!

Dave


Post# 53105 , Reply# 8   1/11/2005 at 14:41 (7,016 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
No Heater, Sorry.

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Think the prevailing wisdom is that with a washer close enough to the source of hot water, one would not "need" an internal heater. 120V washer heat water so slowly it can make for some long cycle times, which seems to go agianst what Americans want in a front loader; the ability to do large amounts of laundry quickly. If one does want a heater, there is always the "HE" series.

FriGiLux

The new Frigidaire version of these units is model #FTF2140E. There is nothing on Frigidaire's website yet, but the washer is listed on Energy Star's site.

Almost was settled on the MaySungs, now will have to wait until all the new Kenmores are in so can take me a good long look.

One added bonus of the Kenmore units, is they are built by Electrolux in their United States plant. More Americans working and putting meat on the table always gets my vote.


Launderess


Post# 53112 , Reply# 9   1/11/2005 at 15:46 (7,016 days old) by davenp ()        

We have a whole house hot water recirculator that is running at 140*.... but I still like the idea of having a machine which can "nuke" the clothes if I take a notion.

I always have the Danby though, for those urges.
I REALLY like these machines. Much better than the bitty Whirlpools, or even the Maysungs (as far as new machines).

Wonder if Sears will take advance orders...

Dave


Post# 53203 , Reply# 10   1/12/2005 at 11:20 (7,015 days old) by designgeek ()        

Yeah the Danby DWM-5500, I was going to mention this. I hope the heck these are still available by the end of 2005...

Good rationale for a heater: colds, flus, emerging diseases, bioterror attacks, the next major killer-flu pandemic, and any time someone in the house comes down with a stomach bug or even simple diarrhea. Also kills ticks, fleas, and lice, if you have pets who run around outdoors, pick up such things, and transfer them to their indoor pet-beds. Follow up with high-temp drying. Won't kill mad-cow prions though, for that you have to burn stuff to a crispy cinder.


Post# 53223 , Reply# 11   1/12/2005 at 14:32 (7,015 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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not to knock heaters in washers or "boil wash" technology, but a full scoop of Tide w/Bleach kills bacteria and most germs too...or you can always use Clorox (I personally hate using bleach.)

Post# 53300 , Reply# 12   1/13/2005 at 00:58 (7,014 days old) by Boschowner ()        

"I always have the Danby though, for those urges"

DaveNP: Dont you own the HE4T for those urges?


Post# 53306 , Reply# 13   1/13/2005 at 02:24 (7,014 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Tide with Bleach

All those detergents that advertise "with bleach" use oxygen bleach, which doesn't really kill things like chlorine bleach does, and doesn't work wel in cold water) And, of course, the drawback with chlorine bleach is that it can't be used on colors. There ARE laundry disinfectants on the market that can be added and aren't temperature sensitive or damaging to clothes.


I only use bleach when I'm trying to get my dingey whites clean and bright.


Post# 53334 , Reply# 14   1/13/2005 at 09:38 (7,014 days old) by designgeek ()        


No sooner do I mention "when someone comes down with a stomach bug..." when one of my coworkers does exactly that. Fortunately I don't have to wash *his* clothes:-)

Bleach: Agreed, I don't want to do *that* to my colored clothes. When a close friend was living here & his cat brought some fleas home, we nuked everything at high temps in the dryer. That seemed to work pretty well, along with plenty of vacuuming. And we independently invented the "night-light & glue-board" flea trap as well (went to the hardware store to fetch parts to build one, and discovered they were already being made & sold).

I do use bleach for sanitizing surfaces, e.g in the kitchen and bathroom. Used at close to full strength, I'm told it kills "everything," so, unlike with conventional "antibacterial" products, it doesn't encourage the growth of resistant bugs.


Post# 53370 , Reply# 15   1/13/2005 at 19:01 (7,014 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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I was reading the label of Tide w/ Bleach which says a full scoop kills 99% of all bacteria.

Post# 53375 , Reply# 16   1/13/2005 at 20:53 (7,014 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Tide With Bleach

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Read the fine print on the box and you will see that particular version of Tide is effective against a small list of bacteria. The most commonly found bacteria found on laundry, E Coli is NOT listed, and it is all over everyone's wash.

Normal laundering methods; hot water, mechanical action, change of water temsp (hot to cold), and chemicals contained within modern laundry detergents do a pretty good job of killing bacteria. If you want to take things furhter, there is always chlorine bleach (still the most effective and wide spectrum disenfectant available widely), or very hot wash temps for an extended period of time.

Launderess



Post# 53439 , Reply# 17   1/14/2005 at 08:28 (7,013 days old) by designgeek ()        


160 degrees Fahrenheit for longer than five minutes, will also kill everything, 100%, whether in the washer or the dryer. As will ultraviolet from sunlight (presumably also those long-wave UV bulbs in some of the older equipment).

As far as I know, "99%" only means that a procedure leaves 1% of the bacteria to survive and grow stronger, i.e. resistant strains, which are a potential public health hazard of enormous proportion (see also MRSA and other antibiotic resistant bacterial strains). This is why I avoid like plague (ha) all those "antibacterial" products. Using them *occasionally* isn't so much a problem, but repeat exposures over a period of time that coincides with the doubling-times of the bacterial populations, could be a serious risk.

Laundry covered with e.coli: Oh what a lovely picture you've just painted in my mind's eye, since e.coli is after all (how can we say this delicately?) fecal bacteria.

Which leads to some serious questions, for which I'm going to start a new topic, that will be marked with a "don't read this if you're squeamish" warning in the first post.


Post# 53467 , Reply# 18   1/14/2005 at 16:09 (7,013 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
160F and Laundry

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5 minutes is not long enough to kill *everything* not even most forms of E coli. IIRC the "standard" most health departments use is 160F-165F or above for 20 minutes.

Yeast, also commonly found on undergarments will not be destroyed at the above temps, and requires 180F and above.

Happily many detergents contain chemicals that will disenfect at 140-160 F for at least 20 minutes.

Now, if one is using chlorine bleach, then 5 minutes at 140 or above is fine. However bleach is weakened by the presence of too much organic matter. This is why commercial laundries add bleach after to a wash bath after "flushing" or usually as a separate cycle.

L.


Post# 53527 , Reply# 19   1/15/2005 at 04:25 (7,012 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Detailed Cycle Information

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DaveNP,

Poke your head over on THS/Laundry Room. Someone has received their new Sears FriMore set and has nicely posted cycle information from the manual. He/She will be doing their first loads soon and will be posting more results and observations as they go.

Launderess


Post# 53544 , Reply# 20   1/15/2005 at 09:33 (7,012 days old) by designgeek ()        


Launderess, thanks for the info. Yow.

This is going to be an interesting set of coningencies & constraints to design for. And the inescapable conclusion that there are going to be tradeoffs for energy efficiency. Yow again.

Are those long-wave UV sterilizing lamps still available in sizes relevant to home use? And what kind of exposure is needed to do the job? Assuming no access to outdoor clothes lines for sunlight exposure.


Post# 53567 , Reply# 21   1/15/2005 at 17:15 (7,012 days old) by david (CA)        
I had a feeling

Noticed later last year that the old km friGEmores werre close-out sales, so I was curious to know what the replacement was going to be. Interesting to say the least. I must examine these before I decide what to purchase next!

Post# 53657 , Reply# 22   1/16/2005 at 20:05 (7,011 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
UV sterilizing lamps

These work on short-wave UV energy which is harmful to skin and eyes.LW UV light is used for the "Black light" effects in advertizing,theater,etc.LW is not harmful to eyes or skin-but its not a good idea to stare into a LW UV light.You can also get UV sterilizers for you central HVAC-the unit has a couple shortwave UV bulbs that sterilize the air passing thru the unit-its designed so the bulbs will only operate when the unit is enclosed in the ducting.Also UV fixtures are used in other places where things can be stereilized by the UV light shining on them,the cabinets have a switch that shut the light off when its oipened.In a high school shop class I was in they had a goggle cabinet that sterilized the goggles you would wear while using shop equipment.When you put them in the cabinet and cloed the door-the UV light came on.Overnight would be more than enough.The UV light can deteriate somne plastics.Breaks down the polymor bonds.I am surprized the UV bulbs used in early washers didn't shut off when the washer lid was opened.Wonder what goood they would be anyway--SW UV light cannot penetrtate water!!but it sure could reflect off it into the face(s) of the washer spectaters!Guess an amusing way to get a facial suntan!Also SW UV lamps produce ozone as a sideproduct-they sterilize in two ways-the SW UV light itself-and its reaction with oxygen in the air to make ozone-another gasious disenfectant.Thats a good reason why projection lamps at a theater are vented!That xenon bulb is a very powerful source of UV light!
Also-EPROM erasers have a SW UV light inside to erase eproms-they are designed as well so the lamp won't work unless the erasers doors or drawer is closed.


Post# 53698 , Reply# 23   1/17/2005 at 09:34 (7,010 days old) by designgeek ()        

Tolivac, interesting about shortwave breaking down plastics. I knew about the health risks, but I didn't know about the effect on plastics. I have a client with mercury vapor lamps that apparently are screwed up and emit enough shortwave to cause a prickly-skin sensation whenever I'm at their site. So I guess I'm going to have to write a warranty exclusion for that on their phone equipment. Yow.

Meanwhile, logical application is a laundry "basket" (more like a box with a hinged lid) lined with something metallic, with a shortwave bulb in it. Every time the lid is opened, it resets a timer that will turn on the bulb for an hour after it's closed, thereby zapping whatever you've just tossed in there. And an LED/photocell that will show a "full" indication when the load builds up to the point where it might be too close to the bulb. Okay, another invention that I'll have to publish more widely since I can't afford $50k for patent lawyers.


Post# 53747 , Reply# 24   1/17/2005 at 19:34 (7,010 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
UV energy

Designgeek:
Yes-some plastics are affected by the UV light-esp polyethelyne.If it is exposed enough-the plastic cracks and breaks up-good example-poly sheeting for greenhouse glazing-its rated on how many months or years of exposure to sunlight before it needs to be replaced.A problem in this area(as well as the hurricanes-they REALLY tear up greenhouses)they are used by farmers in this area to "sprout" tobacco plants.They usually last up to 3 years before the film has to be replaced.
At that client place you were at-did you get any feeling in your eyes like someone threw sand in them and pain in them the next day-thats a sign your eyes were burned by UV. Did your skin get sunburn?Definitely would stay away from that place.-At least not unless you have glasses that will protect your eyes.also on the plastics issue that why the plastic lenses or diffusers on flourescent lights or mercury lights "yellow" or fade.The UV clothes container sounds interesting.-or maybe they should put the UV lights back in dryers.As the clothes are tumbled-all surfaces could then be exposed to the light---but the concern for those synthetic fabrics though-the downside of it-they are PLASTICS.You would have to limit their exposure to the light.Eventually-the most powerful UV generator-sunlight-can deteriate any of them.


Post# 54047 , Reply# 25   1/20/2005 at 14:53 (7,007 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
new Kenmore front loading tumble action washers/dryers

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I visited Sears today and saw the beautiful new front loaders that just arived.there are three of each to choose (good,better,and best)and the "best"set has a matching dryer that comes with a see through window(not smoked glass)to make the pair look like twins.Their risers unlike the previous ones have plenty of space for storage in the metal framed drawers that have metal frames instead of plastic with barings to make them easy to slide open and shut.the "good" set is the original3.1 cu ft washer and 5.7 cu ft dryer.The "Better" sets upgrade with advanced rinsing technology(ART),46%larger door opening,5 spin speed selections,add a garment indicater,cycle status lights,control lock out option,delay start option,and optional 15"pedistal drawer.The "Best"sets upgrade withEco cycle(15 gallons use per cycle),5 temperature settings,improved door design withsilver metalic accents,easy iron option,LED countdown display,delay start options,optional 15"pedestal drawer.The "good"dryers are the same as usual but the "better"ones step up with 5.8 cu ft drum,stainless steel drum back,soft heat,lock out options,clean lint filter indicater,cycle status indicater,touch up cycle,quick cycle,optional 15"pedistal drawer.The "Best"dryers step up with stainless steel drum,heat reduction technology shrink guard and soft heat,SEE THROUGH DOOR WINDOW,improved door design with silver metalic accents,and optional 15"pedestal drawer.No idea on the price of the high end set but the "better washer goes for $799 and the dryer goes for $469.Gas would cost about $60 more.

Post# 54057 , Reply# 26   1/20/2005 at 17:05 (7,007 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Laundromat

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What I want to know, to settle a bet; do any of these washers have an internal heater?

TIA
Launderess


Post# 54081 , Reply# 27   1/20/2005 at 21:15 (7,007 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Laundress, it appears Electrolux has again left out the heater.

Post# 54091 , Reply# 28   1/20/2005 at 22:11 (7,007 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
Ohh WOW!

These new machines look great and a square door to boot! Like Classic Hoovers!

I wonder if Electrolux would plan to sell them here in Australia, or even manufacture them?

A large capacity, heaterless FL with reasonable short cycle times would go down a real treat here, especially if they could sell it for less than $2000, the LG tromm seems to have shifted a few units despite the price!


Post# 58490 , Reply# 29   2/28/2005 at 13:19 (6,968 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
YEAH !!! The new 3.5 Frigidaire FL will have an internal hea

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This was in the Lowes ad in the Sunday paper. This price and these features make this well worth looking at. My '98 Frigidaire FL is still going strong and I use it to the max. Well we've finally gotten our wish and they've built in a heater. Still no details on the Frigidaire website.

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Post# 58491 , Reply# 30   2/28/2005 at 13:25 (6,968 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
And look at the styling on these!

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I want these already. What would I do with my already perfectly good, albeit smaller capacity set?

Post# 58492 , Reply# 31   2/28/2005 at 13:27 (6,968 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)        
Question

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Why is the one with the heater less money? Any difference between the two dryers?

Post# 58493 , Reply# 32   2/28/2005 at 13:31 (6,968 days old) by westie2 ()        
3.5 FL

Wanted to wait for the heater models but had to have one as old TL went out. We have the Kenmore 44052 paid the same price as this one with heater. Have had for 3 weeks now and it is the best. This model Sears or Frigidaire will hold as much as the Duet's/HE's at half the cost. Absoultly the best washer we have ever had. Using the Sears HE powder detergent with it as we have used the Sears detergent for years.

Post# 58494 , Reply# 33   2/28/2005 at 13:45 (6,968 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
GadgetGary

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I could be wrong, but I think they both have heaters unless the higher price is 'just' for the styling. I will have to go check these out in person and report back.

Post# 58518 , Reply# 34   2/28/2005 at 17:19 (6,968 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Nothing here says water heater. The "manual hot/cold" means that you have to select hot to get hot -- none of the cycles will wash in hot otherwise. I saw both models at Lowe's over the weekend and there is nothing like a "power", "boosted" or "sanitary" selection. But I'd still buy one; they sure are purty!

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Post# 58523 , Reply# 35   2/28/2005 at 17:52 (6,968 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wow...those Frigidaires are indeed pretty cool for modern machines!

Post# 58529 , Reply# 36   2/28/2005 at 18:53 (6,968 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
mistake, me thinks

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I saw that ad and think it is a typo. I think that that "heater" line was to go with the Bosch set right after the Frigidaires. Each ad had that same graphic with different words on it. The Bosch set just said something like "saves water and energy." Wouldn't be the first time that the graphic arts dept mixed up features on an ad.

Post# 58542 , Reply# 37   2/28/2005 at 19:54 (6,968 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
Will SEARS?

Retail the new SQ line or not? alr2903

Post# 58551 , Reply# 38   2/28/2005 at 20:50 (6,968 days old) by david (CA)        
lowe's ad on sunday

I have the same ad from lowes in the sunday paper that Pdub saw. It does state about the water heating in the $699 Frigidaire. I saw everything on the page. Incidentally, I see that the Frigidaire Gallery is still being offered at Rex and BestBuy also. I had some idea they were being discontinued as a model at Sears had closeout on the ad. Maybe not, but the FrigMores are getting much cheaper now. Also, I haven't seen any Neptune ads either FL or TL lately. Hmmmm

Post# 58609 , Reply# 39   3/1/2005 at 12:19 (6,967 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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O-o-o-o-o-o-h!! I'm going to have to go to my local dealer and order this new machine. I printed out the operating instructions (from the Frigidaire site) and it looks very interesting. Interesting Note: The Wool, Delicate, Handwash and Bulky cycles use a higher water level, so the door remains locked throughout the cycle "to prevent water spills." Sounds exciting!

Post# 58611 , Reply# 40   3/1/2005 at 12:31 (6,967 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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BUMMER ALERT/BIG COME-DOWN: After getting all hot 'n' bothered over the new Frigidaire FL washer, I checked out the dryer. It has a puny 5.8 cu.ft. drum. My current Frigidaire dryer has a 5.7 cu.ft. drum and it's hardly big enough to handle the loads from my 3 cu.ft. washer drum. In fact, when I really fill the washer with big bath towels, I have to split the load in two for the dryer, as the instructions say not to fill it more than a little over 1/3 full.

I just don't understand why other manufacturers can squeeze a 7+ cu.ft. dryer drum into their machines, but Frigilux has a drum which is at least as small (if not smaller) than the 1960 Kenmore we used to have!!

I'm going to write a nasty letter to someone over there. What a freakin' BUMMER!! Guess I'll have to take a second look at the Duets after all .....




Post# 58631 , Reply# 41   3/1/2005 at 16:13 (6,967 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
And look at the styling on these!

Patrick ! Those are too COOL! What are the model numbers on those? I cant make it out. I LOVE those!

Post# 58633 , Reply# 42   3/1/2005 at 16:25 (6,967 days old) by agiflow ()        

There is just something about these new Frigidaire/Kenmore FL's that are very appealing besides price.Good basic affordable machines that seem to be nicely built.If i didn't have my current washer i would go out and buy one of these new Frig/Ken washers.

Post# 58638 , Reply# 43   3/1/2005 at 17:10 (6,967 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Tom (jmirawn)

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They really are nice looking aren't they!
The $699 washer is model LT2140ES.
The $749 washer is model LT2940ES.
Of course I like the looks of the two matching windows on the higher priced models. The dryer may not have the capacity of some others but the price makes up for it.


Post# 58655 , Reply# 44   3/1/2005 at 19:08 (6,967 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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I think one of the reasons that the dryers aren't bigger is to maintain the footprint of these machines. They can fit where the Duets cannot.

Post# 58680 , Reply# 45   3/1/2005 at 21:58 (6,967 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
footprint

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I agree. The dryer cabinet needs to be larger for a larger drum. I am big on things matching (don't know why!) and have always disliked the look of a 'fat' dryer sitting next to a skinny washer. Whirlpool and Maytag have always been good examples of this different sizing. Just my .02 cents.

Post# 58703 , Reply# 46   3/2/2005 at 02:00 (6,966 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
washer/dryer sizes

Actually, Maytag was guilty of the "skinny washer/fat dryer syndrome. WP machines seemed to always be the same size for washer and dryer.

Who else was guilty of the skinny washer/fat dryer syndrome?


Post# 58727 , Reply# 47   3/2/2005 at 09:24 (6,966 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Norge and GE

Post# 58742 , Reply# 48   3/2/2005 at 13:49 (6,966 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I think the smaller footprint was true of 1960's-era Frigidaire laundry pairs, as well. I recall neighbors whose washer/dryer space was surrounded by countertop/cabinets. When they replaced their Frigidaires with a new pair (don't recall the brand), the new ones didn't fit!

Post# 58786 , Reply# 49   3/2/2005 at 17:59 (6,966 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
To Slant or not to slant............

A friend and I are having a "dis CUSS ion" about whether the laundry pair in Pdubs post above are slanted. The machines look slanted to me. She says they are not. Am I gonna have to go to Lowes and see? I just recieved this circular in the mail today. I can see why she thinks they are not slanted. But at the same time they look slanted to me.

Post# 58795 , Reply# 50   3/2/2005 at 18:44 (6,966 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
don't think so

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If you look at the photo the sides of the machines seem to line up with the cabinets. I think it's just the angle of the lens that took the photo.

Post# 59034 , Reply# 51   3/4/2005 at 17:09 (6,964 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
Appliance trip

Well, my friend and I went to Lowes last night to see this pair of machines. I did not want to give up hope that the slanted back. LOL. I was a little disappointed in them. They do not look as good as what they do in the ad. Also looks like water will sit in the boot area. I always check that out after the problems they were having with the neptunes.

HOWEVER, I did like the Extra tall pedestals that can be purchased with them. The machines are at a very nice height. The price of those pedestals is a bit ridiculous though. $197 for one.

Post# 59035 , Reply# 52   3/4/2005 at 17:51 (6,964 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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That's the same price as the 15-inch Kenmore HE series and Whirlpool Duet pedistals run. Has anyone determined if there is really a heater in either model?

Post# 59067 , Reply# 53   3/4/2005 at 22:03 (6,964 days old) by westie2 ()        
Frigidaire/Kenmore fl boot

Yes the water does in the boot in the manual and dvd we got with our Kenmore says twice to wipe down the boot and get the standing water after doing laundry for the day to save the moldy smell.

Drove down the hill today to Van Buren to do training at our 2 plants.


Post# 59481 , Reply# 54   3/8/2005 at 19:26 (6,960 days old) by Washman (o)        
getting a 44082

I just bought the 44082 , it is on backorder until March 17th.
Has anyone used All Free & Clear in a front loader? Can't wait till the 17th.


Post# 59510 , Reply# 55   3/9/2005 at 02:53 (6,959 days old) by rchris ()        

Very nice price. I was expecting to see something closer to $1,000 for the top-line washer...

Post# 61851 , Reply# 56   3/31/2005 at 10:42 (6,937 days old) by Smeglet ()        
44052 Add a Garment Indicator

Does anyone know exactly how the Add a Garment function works on the Kenmore 44052? My husband doesn't want a front-loader since you can't open the door once the wash has started to add something you may have forgotten. Does this function allow you to "Add a Garment" as the name implies?

Post# 61852 , Reply# 57   3/31/2005 at 11:09 (6,937 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

I have a Kenmore HE3. The add a garment indicator light comes on at the beginning of the wash cycle for about 5 or so minutes. You can press the pause/hold button to unlock the door to add garments. Once the light goes out, if you pause the cycle to unlock the door, the control may drain the wash water before it allows you to open the door. When the water level rises to the "full" level, it will drain the water b4 it lets you open the door. Hope this helps!

Post# 61854 , Reply# 58   3/31/2005 at 12:53 (6,937 days old) by westie2 ()        
Add a garment on Kenmore 44052

WE bought the 44052 in early Feb. The add a garment when on you press the cancel/pause button once the door will unlock and lets you add the garment. So far when we have added a garment the water has not been over the door. It might drain just like the HE3T. You can't go wrong with this front load.

Post# 61855 , Reply# 59   3/31/2005 at 13:07 (6,937 days old) by westie2 ()        
Add a garment

Here is what they say about the water level.

The tumble action washer automatically determines the proper water level for each load.
Because of its water efficiency, the water level will never be above the bottom of the door.
Back

You just press the cancel button door lock light goes out then add the garment and press start again.



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