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Post# 181454   1/7/2007 at 21:08 (6,290 days old) by cny4 (Central New York)        

After listening to pros and con about the different laundry machines made today I pose a question to all.

If you had to buy a new washer today what would you buy? Please give your choice for both a TL and FL (unless you despise one or the other).

I am especially interested in what the professional repair people on this board would purchase since they know which brands are the most trouble free and easiest to repair.





Post# 181459 , Reply# 1   1/7/2007 at 21:20 (6,290 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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For a TL machine, I'd definetly get the Kenmore Oasis! For an FL machine (which I am more likely to get) definetly a MIELE!!!! lol

Post# 181462 , Reply# 2   1/7/2007 at 21:25 (6,290 days old) by exploder3211 ()        
Ohhhh My

If i wanted a Top Loader i would get.... Anything vintage.. For new i would get either a Frigidaire or Kenmore

BUT if i where to have buy a new unit right now, i would either get a middle of the pack Bosch or (and this is more likley) a Frigidaire Affinty



Post# 181464 , Reply# 3   1/7/2007 at 21:34 (6,290 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Front-loader: Whirlpool Duet/Maytag Epic/Kenmore He5
Top-loader: Just bought a TOL Frigidaire, but only because of the indexing tub and it matches my current Frigi pair. If I was looking for the best TL'er, probably Cabrio/Oasis.


Post# 181465 , Reply# 4   1/7/2007 at 21:36 (6,290 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

For price and dependability, you can't beat a Whirlpool made direct drive T/L washer....proven design and easy to service; a repairman's dream.

Post# 181469 , Reply# 5   1/7/2007 at 22:01 (6,290 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

TL...Inglis or Frigidaire 300 dollar model at Best Buy...

FL...Whirlpool Duet Sport, Frigidaire Affinity, or 2140 model.


If money were not such an issue...

TL...Fisher & Paykel base model.

FL...Miele (not new, larger model)

Dryers MUST match. The only washer for whom its matching dryer might be worrisome are the Frigidaire TLs (I have no experience with them).

Kenmore is out of the running for the time being until 1)someone can explain to me why their TL washing scores were so abysmal in Consumer Reports, and until they REMOVE those ridiculous smoked-glass doors and put a WINDOW where it oughta be!!

(Yes, I've been shopping. And watching "Mommie Dearest", lol!


Post# 181470 , Reply# 6   1/7/2007 at 22:02 (6,290 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

Oh, if an LG's price were to be wheedelable down to that of the Frigidaire top-load lineup, I could be persuaded to consider it, but, as far as I'm concerned, they still have an unproven track record.

Post# 181479 , Reply# 7   1/7/2007 at 22:17 (6,290 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Best modern washers.

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Top Loading Best: Maytag Dependable Care (while you can still get one).
Top Loading Second Best: Whirlpool-made direct drive.

Front Loading: Anything but LG and GE.

Top loading all the way,
Dave


Post# 181480 , Reply# 8   1/7/2007 at 22:20 (6,290 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

Which FL gives you a higher water level...Duet Sport or Affinity?

Post# 181504 , Reply# 9   1/7/2007 at 23:19 (6,290 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
TL's Only For Me

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I'd actually like to try one of the new Speed Queen TL's, but the service situation concerns me a bit- they've got to get their act together on that before I'd actually commit. Nothing worse than a product that has great potential getting sabotaged by lack of ready service.





Post# 181505 , Reply# 10   1/7/2007 at 23:23 (6,290 days old) by agiflow ()        

TL washer: Oasis/cabrio and Speed Queen.


Post# 181516 , Reply# 11   1/8/2007 at 00:11 (6,290 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

If my Hetties burned down and I had to replace them, I don't know what I'd do.

Horizontal axis machines are more efficient and by the nature of their tumble action, probably better cleaners and I've owned two Frigidaire sets as well. But, as someone else mentioned, I think the current offering of FL machines from all manufacturers leaves something to be desired. These machines are definitely more weird-behaving, repair-prone, inflexible, and require more operator skill then their top-loading predecessors. My Hetties are especially quirky and the cycle length and time it takes to balance the load is aggrivating. Both Frigidaires actully did a better job on the laundry, but I'm guessing no attempt has been made on those machines to build in a better seal and bearing assembly.

A 1-18 set in new condition, or a late model helical drive Maytag set would suffice until manufacturers get the FL machine quality a little more stable.


Post# 181526 , Reply# 12   1/8/2007 at 00:46 (6,290 days old) by washoholic (San Antonio, TX)        

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FL definitely go for LG TOMM. You get what you pay for. They have the most refined FLer.

The machine fills in spurts to start and then long flushes so that the detergent doesn’t overflow out of the dispenser. It’s the only FL that allows the use of liquid detergent in the pre-wash and the wash.

There’s a spin after the pre-wash and before the wash (Others just drain and refill).

The washer has a neutral drain and a flush where the pump cycles on and off when the pre-wash & wash water is drained before the spin to prevent suds lock. It also flushes after each rinse.

It recalculates the wash and rinse water so it can use less water and energy and still saturates the clothes.

The TROMM is the only FL that has a cycle w/ gentle tumbling, but still spins between the wash and all rinses (BABY WEAR).

The balancing before the spin has been perfected so it doesn’t take a long time. It spins in either direction and if the load is unbalance it will stop and immediately spin the other way (The others stop then tumble in one direction and then the other 6 to 8 times before trying to spin again and they only spin in one direction.)

Stay away from GE Warranty service. If you buy an extended warranty be sure to buy the LG and not the GE.






Post# 181531 , Reply# 13   1/8/2007 at 01:55 (6,289 days old) by pulsatron ()        
Another Twintub or recon Hoover front loader

I would not buy an automatic top loader anymore as all the models that I am aware of here in Australia have those blasted computerized control panels which I simply do not like, If I were to buy a new machine I would go the the Hitachi PSB99BP 8kg twintub.
As for front loader never again would I buy Bosch,I would go for a reconditioned Hoover Electra front loader.
Cheers.
Steve.


Post# 181577 , Reply# 14   1/8/2007 at 10:12 (6,289 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I went to Sears this weekend to check out the new, renovated mall and the appliances. I must say, only the Maytag LAV model or a Speed Queen are the only toploaders I would buy. Everything else appears to be either crap or really hard on clothes.

As for frontloaders, I think Frigidaire is holding my attention much better than anything else, altho' some of the WP and Kenmore offerings are intreguing.


Post# 181584 , Reply# 15   1/8/2007 at 10:52 (6,289 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Honestly, from the reliability problems (as well as complaints of laundry not getting clean from the ultra-low water usage), I don't care for ANY of the residential front-loaders on the market today. The only FL I would ever buy would be a commercial Wascomat on-premises version...which I do intend to have.

For a top-loader, it would be a choice between the Maytag LAV, Speed Queen, Fisher & Paykel Intuitive, or Kenmore Oasis/Whirlpool Cabrio AGI version...anything that uses plenty of water. I would NEVER have anything Energy Star rated, that's for sure.

--Austin


Post# 181648 , Reply# 16   1/8/2007 at 17:25 (6,289 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        

I have a relatively new Fisher & Paykel Intuitive set -- top load dryer. I'm very pleased with both of them. The controls are electronic, but very easy to program the way you want them. In fact, the washer has a setting for "standard washer" or some such setting -- that makes the washer work like an old automatic.

The way the washer is made with a direct current motor and no transmission, I understand there is not much to go wrong.

If the load calls for heavy wash action, man it'll sling water all over the place with a HARD 360 degree stroke. But if the load calls for a more gentle stroke, it'll do that, too. The washer decides which to do -- and so far, I have not disagreed with its choice.

It's about the only TL that spins at 1000 rpm, I think.

My only complaint is that the top on the washer locks immediately when the washer starts. After complaints about not being able to watch it, I had some help in figuring out a way to fool the machine into thinking the lid is closed and locked. Now I can watch everything it does.

The dryer is fast and quiet. And I'm enjoying not having to bend over every time I load or unload the dryer. Also, by it being top load, it makes no difference on which side of the washer it sits.

Jerry Gay


Post# 181666 , Reply# 17   1/8/2007 at 18:31 (6,289 days old) by jonv112 ()        
It's about the only TL that spins at 1000 rpm, I think.

Actually, the Oasis HE/Cabrio HE spin at about 1050RPM. The lid also locks at the beginning at the cycle, but it has a glass-lid, and depending on the cycle you choose, also has a 360 degree stroke, and is excellent in rolling over large amounts of clothes.

Post# 181795 , Reply# 18   1/9/2007 at 04:47 (6,288 days old) by tumbler ()        
Best machines

I'm partial to front-loaders. In my opinion, both as a consumer and a repairman, I'm convinced that the Whirlpool Duet (full-size, not "Sport") are the best on the market. Not only are they super efficient, they have by far the best reliability record, the best pre-spin load distribution protocol (prevents vibration), and a great parts and service network. Before I bought mine, I priced out the parts most likely to need replacement after the warranty runs out; the circuit boards (3) and the drain pump. I compared the prices with those of other brands, and Whirlpool came out ahead. LG "TROMM" is a disaster as far as parts and service availability; they won't let anyone stock their parts, and they take forever to get. The quality of the G.E., Frigidaire, and Maytag Neptune just isn't there. Note that the Kenmore HE-3 and HE-4, and the new Maytag EPIC are actually Duets dressed up differently. The Duet can wash a kng-size comforter. If you're after a smaller machine, I suppose the small Fridgidaire/Kenmore, small Whirlpool or equivalent will do the job, but you must be VERY CARFEFUL not to use non-h.e. detergent; it will oversuds, get into the poorly protected tub bearing, strip out the grease and there goes the bearing. If it's a top loader you're after, I'd go with either the Whrlpool Cabrio or the Kenmore Oasis in a new machine. A vintage top-loader is also an excellent suggestion, like one of the Frigidaires with the up-and-down agitator. They have a very fast spin. So does the '47 G.E. Stay away from vintage front-loaders-most of them have a very slow spin speed.

Post# 181803 , Reply# 19   1/9/2007 at 07:02 (6,288 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        
Tumbler....

How do you feel about the Duet Sport, versus the Duet?

Post# 181813 , Reply# 20   1/9/2007 at 08:13 (6,288 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Washaholic, many tumblers can be set for a delicate tumble pattern. They tumble less and soak more and actually turn slower in some cycles as well as filling to a higher level so that the clothing is floating in the water. In the Cottons program, the Miele W1986 spins at 1000 rpm after the wash and after the first 2 rinses and at 1200 rpm for the final spin. On Whitest Whites the Duet spins after the wash and after the first 2 rinses at 800 rpm and at 1000 rpm for the final spin. My Duet is one of the first models and has more trouble balancing before spin, but the Miele only rarely has a problem distributing the load for a spin. That is because it is easier to distribute the load over the smaller circumference of the Miele's drum than over the larger drum of the Duet.

Post# 181819 , Reply# 21   1/9/2007 at 09:12 (6,288 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Cabrio/top loader or LG Steam Wash front loader

Post# 181848 , Reply# 22   1/9/2007 at 12:22 (6,288 days old) by molly ()        

I have been reading this thread intently as I an going to purchase another machine. I have just been through an Oasis w/o agitator, an Oasis w/agitator, and on older Duet. The Oasis w/o agitator didn't clean small loads well, w/agitator it really rolled the clothes into tight ropes and was always flashing error codes at me along with some really loud noises. The duet seems to be the sturdiest machine but doesn't use enough water to really clean the clothes or rinse them. I start out soaking the load of clothes, then wash w/extra rinse, the put through another whole cycle w/o soap just to rinse them (my DH is allergic to detergents.)

So do I go back to the Oasis w/o the agitator or is there a front loader that uses enough water to clean and actually rinse the clothes? I also have three cats and need to remove the cat hair in the washer and not the dryer because many of our clothes are line dry. I also need to be able to wash a king-size comforter because that is where the cats and dog like to sleep.

Thanks to Sears return policy I have been able to return these machines but I really just want to get a washer that will work for us.

Which FL uses the most water? Which FL has the most rinses?

I am so glad I found this site, Thanks to you all!


Post# 181914 , Reply# 23   1/9/2007 at 16:15 (6,288 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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FL: Miele
TL: Speed Queen


Post# 181997 , Reply# 24   1/9/2007 at 21:01 (6,288 days old) by vintagesearch ()        
my chioce

TL: whirlpool cabrio ;)
As i learned here the best cycle is "sheets" uses the most water and recirculates it constantly. I would wash everything in the "sheets" setting lol

FL: ?
dont know they only seem to be any good for comforters if they can handle them or if there loaded to thier capacity If i could get a commercial one then i would buy one.


Post# 182001 , Reply# 25   1/9/2007 at 21:26 (6,288 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Sigh...........
If I really had to buy appliances today I'd have to choose:

TL: Maytag LAV first, it's the simplest, most durable washer I know. Whirlpool direct drive second, because after the LAVs disappaear, this will be the best washer design out there.

FL: Maytag Epic, because it's a Whirlpool design, and i just like the Maytag name and styling. It's a classy machine.

Dishwasher: GE stainless interior tall tub all the way.


Post# 182002 , Reply# 26   1/9/2007 at 21:31 (6,288 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
ALTHOUGH

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the Whirlpool TL really really REALLY pisses me off with its neutral drain. I think it's gross. So before I flipped the bill for a Whirlpool TL, i'd try for the FL first.

Post# 182150 , Reply# 27   1/10/2007 at 03:12 (6,287 days old) by tumbler ()        
To Oxydolfan:

My only direct experience is with the full-size Duet. These are made in Germany in the former Bauknecht factory, bought by Whirlpool. The Duet "Sport" is made in Mexico. Actually, I haven't heard any negative feedback on them, in these pages or elsewhere; but products made in Mexico seem generally to be of lower quality. Also, the machines are smaller. This is good if space is limited. Supposedly they have a very good suspension system which makes them a candidate for 2nd floor laundry rooms, but again, I have no personal experience with them. C.U. gives them a fair-to-middling rating, for what that's worth.

Post# 182151 , Reply# 28   1/10/2007 at 03:16 (6,287 days old) by tumbler ()        
to Molly:

I have a Duet HT; the seemingly low water level freaked me out at first-I had previously owned a "Frigimore" machine from '99 which filled up higher but held far less clothing (about 2.9 cu. ft. as against 3.8). However, the proof is in the pudding; it does a superb job with my incredibly greasy and dirty work clothes, I've done queen-size comforters, and everything I've washed in it comes out super clean. Don't let the water level fool youl

Post# 182206 , Reply# 29   1/10/2007 at 09:48 (6,287 days old) by agiflow ()        

That is what makes a whirly so unique. When you feel glum...do a neutral drain...when your feeling a little wild...do a spin drain...a little something for everyone :-)

Post# 182212 , Reply# 30   1/10/2007 at 10:29 (6,287 days old) by bingwsguy (Binghamton NY)        
Siemens

Large capacity FL Washers are getting like Japanese and American cars of the 90's. They all look similar and have simialr features ...not much sets one apart from the other with the possible exception of reliability.

I recently purchased a Siemens Ultra Sense Plus (Bosch Nexxt) and am very pleased with it. 1200 RPM spin... good balancing/minimal vibration and great extraction. Internal Heater, Unique Wash Rythym and Paddle Design (moves clothes front to back of drum as well as over) clean and rinse very well and it is super efficient. Capacity is huge... it holds about 2 1/2 times what my Bosch Axxis+ does... And.... I got a really good deal. My Mom has had her Duet HT for about 6 years, problem free and loves it.


Post# 182246 , Reply# 31   1/10/2007 at 12:57 (6,287 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

Tumbler....which do you feel is more reliable? The Duet, whose drum is on a slant, or the Sport, which is not?

Or does that make any difference?


Post# 182314 , Reply# 32   1/10/2007 at 18:28 (6,287 days old) by sudsman ()        
New Washers

This is usually the time fo year I love, as we usually buy 2 new washers in Jan or Feb. However this year for the first time in 25 years , There is not any make that I really like. The only one that comes close is the Speed Queen and there is now way that I am going to buy a washer that only will wash for 9 Mins. Oh for a Westy slant front..

Post# 182322 , Reply# 33   1/10/2007 at 18:44 (6,287 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

Did you ever decide what to get for the extra washer a few months ago?

Post# 182342 , Reply# 34   1/10/2007 at 20:01 (6,287 days old) by washernut ()        

Stay away from the Neptune Top loaders unless you're into making your own ropes....I put mine in my rental house for the renters to use.

Post# 182448 , Reply# 35   1/10/2007 at 23:46 (6,287 days old) by washoholic (San Antonio, TX)        
Tomturbomatic

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I guess I wasn’t clear about the delicate tumbling in the LG. I was trying to say that the LG is the only front loader that will allow the user to select a gentle tumbling pattern and still allow the user to select spins between the wash and all of the rinses. It’s also the only FL to allow an Extra High spin in the gentle cycle for say sweaters or rugs. The Miele will not allow a spin after the wash or between the rinses (Only a final spin) when a gentle tumble pattern is selected. The Duet will not either. The gentle cycle in other front loaders only drains and fills after the wash and rinses with no spin. The LG gives the user a choice. You’re right, the Whitest Whites and Cotton programs you mentioned do spin after the wash and between the rinses, but they do not have a gentle tumble pattern/speed; they use a fast tumble.

Your Duet has trouble distributing due to the tilted tub, the fact that it only spins in one direction (Counter clock-wise I believe) and when it becomes unbalance, it stops and tumbles 6 to 8 times before attempting to spin again.

You’re right, your Miele has less trouble because it is easier to distribute the load over the smaller circumference, and the Miele does not have the tilted tub design. Washers without the tilted tub design have little or no trouble balancing for the spin.


Post# 182450 , Reply# 36   1/11/2007 at 00:08 (6,287 days old) by brettsomers ()        

someone said "the dryer must match". a friend not long ago asked for MY recommendation. i suggested the full-size Duet (dont ask what model). i also told him "if you want to show off the pair and spend money, get the matching dryer. if you want to dry the clothes, get the MOL top-filter super capacity, plain-jane dryer" thats exactly what he did. the full-size Duet has worked wonderfully, and the dryer doesnt seem to care whether the washer matches or not!

Post# 182457 , Reply# 37   1/11/2007 at 01:16 (6,286 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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For a FL, I'd be inching toward an LG steemer, except for the service issue. So, a Maytag Epic.

TL, an Oasis or Cabrio (wash plate version, because it's different). (Or an F&P Intuitive Eco.)


Post# 182464 , Reply# 38   1/11/2007 at 03:52 (6,286 days old) by tumbler ()        
Duet HT vs. Sport

Oxydolfan1:

I doubt that the slanted tub of the Duet HT vs. the horizontal tub of the Sport has any effect on reliability. That's strictly a materials and workmanship issue. It does affect the circulation pattern of the clothes. The clothes not only tumble, but also circulate front-to-back while they tumble. Additionally, it appears that since the wash and rinse water is deepest at the back of the tub, the HT gets away with using less water. This is also why they seem like they don't have enough water in them. They do-it's just that you can't see it!


Post# 182692 , Reply# 39   1/12/2007 at 09:09 (6,285 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        
Well, I would have to say

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If you can get it, the Maytag dependable care for the top loader, it is hard to beat them, in lou of that , I would say that the Speed Queen is your best choice for a TL. They are really basic, like the Maytag was.
As for the Front loader, I love the Miele. I have one and love the fact that it can wash wool and cashmere, and has an interal water heater, although, I will say that it takes some getting acostomed to using it.It is completely different than any other FL that I have ever used. If an Americanized FL is what you are looking for, I would say the Bosch Next series is a close second. It also has an internal water heater to bump up the water temps, it is wisper quiet, and does a great job, and is larger sized.I love when it is filling, it tumbles the entire time, ever so slowly.


Post# 185376 , Reply# 40   1/24/2007 at 02:04 (6,273 days old) by norgeman ()        
Re: washer purchase

If I had to go and buy a new washer today I would be one of three.
1. Would be either a Frigidiare or a Speed Queen, have looked at both of them and both are pretty good quality. Electrolux has done wonders for Frigidaire buy putting 3/4 hp motors and steel gears in the transmissions it's going to stand up to heavy loads. My dad has a Frigidaire going on 4 years now and has had no problems with it. Speed Queen and the Allance group has finaly I think got it right. They went back and took a look at the washers and the quality that McGraw-Edison built back in the 50-60 and the 70's and started incorperating some of the quality back. Allaince group is a combonation of some of the top old excs. of McGraw-Edison and Rayteon. One of the things that they have done is like Frigidaire put steel gears in the transmission box.

3. My next choice would be the LG Tromm Steam washer. I like the capacity and I also like the steam feature. the Tromm has a 3.7 or by now 3.8 cub.ft. drum.

4. Would be the Frigidaire Front loaders either the Affinity or the ones with the square doors. Because of the 3.5 cu.ft.
drum.

These are my picks for new washer. Have fun shopping. Danf.


Post# 185383 , Reply# 41   1/24/2007 at 05:30 (6,273 days old) by bearpeter ()        
Someone ship me a 240v F&P here, please???

If I had to lose my AEG Washer/dryer, I would go for either a Hotpoint Aqualtis 1600spin (if there is one), Hoover HD Vision with circulation pump towards the bottom of the drum seal or a Maytag TOL TL'er.
If I had to lose my Zanussi condensor dryer (if I lived near the sea, it would be bobbing around in the North Sea by now!!!) I would go for an old Phillips vented dryer. These machines were so quiet, you had to look at the drum to check it was moving. Saying that, their washers with the distribution spin were great too!!!


Post# 185387 , Reply# 42   1/24/2007 at 06:09 (6,273 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

"Would be the Frigidaire Front loaders either the Affinity or the ones with the square doors"

I'm considering these as well....

I noticed on the GE website that they have the exact same washer that Frigidaire has.....could they be affiliated in some sort of "Fridgemore" co-branding agreement with GE? What reason could anyone have, to buy one brand over the other?


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Post# 185395 , Reply# 43   1/24/2007 at 06:37 (6,273 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        

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I would have to rule out the maytag due to the issues with the tub seal. That said if it were a T/L I would choose F&P first or GE 2nd. I had an old neptune 3000 and 7500. I found the 7500 actually did a good job but I sold when Bosch came out with the nexxt. I have been quite happy with my Bosch nexxt, so much so that I decided to sell off my 6400/6500 set and upgrade to the platinum edition.



Scott


Post# 185475 , Reply# 44   1/24/2007 at 13:57 (6,273 days old) by cbosch ()        
UK Influence

To put a UK perspective in the discussions along with bearpeter I would always by Bosch or miele( the new big doors) Saying that for a second machine I would love the new AQualtis 1200 version with the intensive button or the new hoover with the spray wash.
As for a drier the bosch or siemens condenser drier (very quiet) something with a glass door!!
Never ever would I buy a top loader!


Post# 185476 , Reply# 45   1/24/2007 at 13:59 (6,273 days old) by agiflow ()        
Never ever would I buy a top loader!

Don't knock it till you try it :-)

Post# 185478 , Reply# 46   1/24/2007 at 14:02 (6,273 days old) by cbosch ()        
been there done that got teashirt

Used to wrok in a hotel had a top loader spped queen to be exact to wash dishtowels and bedding worse than useless for anything that needed more than a freshen up!

Post# 185562 , Reply# 47   1/24/2007 at 18:06 (6,273 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        
TLs Vs. FLs

When you think about it, they're both pretty cool....

If I replace my TL with an FL, won't I then miss my old TL whenever I use my FL?

Agitator envy?

Thank the One Above for big basements....:)


Post# 185564 , Reply# 48   1/24/2007 at 18:11 (6,273 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
LG

I have a new LG Tromm FL washer and dryer. These machines are awesome and my clothes have never looked cleaner! I would highly recommend LG

Post# 185569 , Reply# 49   1/24/2007 at 18:31 (6,273 days old) by bearpeter ()        
HAve to agree with cbosch....

TL's are no good for doing anything other than a freshen up, without having to pre treat, 2nd rinse etc!
Sorry guys... hope I don't upset anyone with my views.

Saying that, I would love a TL for freshening up..... 40% of my laundry only needs that!!

|Peter


Post# 185748 , Reply# 50   1/25/2007 at 02:15 (6,272 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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For Molly,

I don't think you are going to have much luck finding a washer that uses lots of water AND can handle large comforters.

My suggestion would be to get a good vacuum cleaner with an upholstery brush and use that to remove most pet hair before putting the item in the washer. Using potable water to remove pet hair is simply wasteful of a resource that is very short supply in most of the world.

Then, get at good big front loader. You're just so very lucky to be buying at a time when there are so many good choices on the market: Duet, Kenmore, LG, GE, Frigidaire, Miele, Samsung, Speed Queen, even Maytag. When I was looking in 2001, the only choices amongst large front loaders were Maytag solid door Neptune and Frigidaire/Kenmore "Frigmore". I wasn't aware of the SpeedQueen FL at the time, and the Miele/Bosch offerings were just to osmall for my tastes. So I got the Neptune, becuase it was slightly larger, and it has a water heater, and it works pretty well. It uses more water than most modern front loaders, but I still wouldn't rely upon it to remove pet hair by itself. The dryer removes most pet hair, and if I'm not going to machine dry something I'll go for the vacuum cleaner.


Post# 185749 , Reply# 51   1/25/2007 at 02:28 (6,272 days old) by agiflow ()        

I guess North Americans are pretty scroungy by comparison. I don't need to pretreat anything unless it is some really nasty stains. ( won't go there, lol. )

I would much rather pretreat if necessary than wait the 1 1/2 hrs. or more it takes for these pie in the sky FL washers to do a load of laundry.

I can get 2 to 3 loads done in that amont of time and i can guarantee you my clothes will look more than just "freshened up"

This is not a TL or FL debate. Most people in NA were raised on these kinds of machines and your opinion is a rather strong one that needed a response.

Really this is all in good fun,..TL and FL washer people just have to agree to disagree. :-)


Post# 188001 , Reply# 52   2/1/2007 at 20:26 (6,265 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        

"cny4":

If it were my money that I am spending on laundry appliances today, what would I buy????

Well, it goes something like this:

Top Loader:

Kenmore Elite Oasis (the one with the Wash Disk at the bottom of the 4.5 cu./ft. "Canyan Capacity" Stainless Steel Tub) + the matching dryer.

Front Loader:

Frigidaire Affinity (in Diamond Black)
Kenmore Elite HE5t (in Barolo)
Whirlpool Duet (in Diamond Dust)
Kenmore Elite HE2t (in Graphite (if money is a slight issue))
Miele Touchtronic W1215 (in Stainless Steel (if money is NO object))

And I would buy the matching dryers to any washer I end up choosing from the list above.

Vintage Washer (if you can find them...... their rarity NOW makes them increasingly difficult to find):

Frigidaire (either a Tower Top, Unimatic or Multimatic with "Rapidry", or one of the 1-18 models from 1970-79).
Sears-Lady Kenmore (from the porcelains model from 1957-60, the Keyboard Models from the 1966-73, and the early electronic models from 1978-86, and all of them would be belt-drive models).
Kelvinator (with "Magic Minute" cycle..... works just like the "Catalyst" cycle now featured on the top Kenmores).
Bendix/Philco (I'll take a 1959 Automagic or a 1963 Miss America) as well as one of the Duomatics from that era.
RCA/Whirlpool (their Washer/Dryer Combination with the lighted console up front).

The dryers to these washers are just as difficult to find (if not more so) than the washers themselves. The combinations don't count here because the dryers are already the integral parts of the machines.

--Charles--



Post# 188046 , Reply# 53   2/1/2007 at 23:38 (6,265 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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TL - maybe Speed Queen...can't stand anything with an auger agitator

FL - I really like the square-door Frigidaire 2940 in Black Diamond. I wish they would put a heater in it. It is a much more versatile machine than the Affinity. (I have the 2940 in white).

Maybe the Affinity w/heater in black.


Post# 188165 , Reply# 54   2/2/2007 at 13:40 (6,264 days old) by norgeman ()        
Re: Auger Agi.

I couldn't agree with you more golittlesport about the auger agitatiors I hate them they don't work as well as the manufactrers would like us to think they do. A friend has had two Kenmores and is now on a Whirlpool and has hated each one as they don't roll the clothes over like its supposed to. My Montgomery Wards washer (Fedder/Norge) made washer had better rollover than anything eles I've seen yet and she was over to our house and she saw it in action one day and said she wished that her machine would roll the clothes like ours did. She even put a sock in hers to test it and it didn't even pull the sock down it just flowted on top. Thats why I like straight vane or the ramped or preggers rotoswrils better, IMHO. Thanks, Danf. P.S. One more thing before I shutup is if you load a Kenmore just like a Frigidaire you will get better results as I have done this and it works. Don't wrap the clothes around the agi. just drop the items in it will increase the rollover. Thanks. Danf.

Post# 188264 , Reply# 55   2/3/2007 at 01:50 (6,263 days old) by agiflow ()        
norgeman

Are you talking about the bd versions or the dd version of the DAA? I disagree wholeheartedly about no turnover with one of these agitators. I have seen both versions work and am currently using one in a dd now.

I must admit though,..i personally do not think a dual-action is needed in a dd unit. I used a WP washer from 1988,..it had the modular surgilator with the tiny lint filter in the barrel of the agitator. That thing could turn over large heavy loads well...i wish they would offer that agi again in TOL units instead of the BOL machines they had at the time.


Post# 188341 , Reply# 56   2/3/2007 at 17:36 (6,263 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

TL speed queen and dryer.


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