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Post# 703466   9/15/2013 at 20:55 (3,846 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Hello,

I am looking at the Maytag 7000 series, but am having second thoughts and am looking at Speed Queen Front Loader or Top Loader.

I cannot find any info on how the SQ FL cleans vs SQ TL.

I like the bells and whistles of the Maytag, but am afraid of their quality.




Post# 703484 , Reply# 1   9/15/2013 at 22:30 (3,846 days old)
by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)    
 

There are some people here who own SQ top loaders and others who own SQ front loaders. They should comment pretty soon.

Post# 703509 , Reply# 2   9/16/2013 at 04:11 (3,846 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Here's why I think the Maytag is a good choice:  It has an internal water heater so you can have truly hot water when you want it (via Allergen, Sanitize, and Steam cycles).  It is currently the top-rated machine in Consumer Reports' tests.  Reliability has been good.  You'll have far more cycle flexibility with the Maytag. It also has a much larger drum, so you'll be able to wash large comforters, etc.  

 

Is the Maytag built like a Speed Queen?  No. But there are many factors to consider besides a machine being built like a tank. Both brands are built in the USA.

 

 


Post# 703511 , Reply# 3   9/16/2013 at 05:00 (3,845 days old)
by Washman (o)    
 
Do a youtube search for SQ

you'll find many vids of these fine machines in operation

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Washman's LINK


Post# 703523 , Reply# 4   9/16/2013 at 07:18 (3,845 days old)
by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)    
 
SQ FLer or SQ TLer or a MT-WP FL Washer?

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As Eugene suggests the MT-WP might be a great choice, it depends on many different factors, how much you use the machine, how long do you want it to last, whether you would like more bells and whistles or just a rugged work horse.

 

The SQ FL washer is diffidently the most durable choice if you want this to be the last washer you buy for 30+ years. The SQ TL will probably last 15-30 but will be unrepairable when something happens to the transmission or main bearings and cost you another $1,500+ in utility costs or more over the next 15 years, so the SQ TLer will be the most expensive washer to buy over a reasonable life span. And the WP-MT FL washer could last anywhere from 10-20+ years unless something happens to the electronics or the main bearings in which case you buy another washer.


Post# 703528 , Reply# 5   9/16/2013 at 08:33 (3,845 days old)
by mtn1584 (USA)    
 
BUY ONCE, BUY RIGHT.....................

SPEED QUEEN WASHERS WHETHER T/L OR F/L ARE GONING TO LAST A LONG TIME!
THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS STARTING TO CATCH ON ABOUT THE QUALITY OF SPEED QUEEN WASHERS!!
DON'T BE FOOLED BY PRETTY BELLS AND WHISTLES!!
MIKE
Sorry about caps, my keyboard is messed up!

Post# 703541 , Reply# 6   9/16/2013 at 10:59 (3,845 days old)
by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)    
 

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I wonder why Speed Queen is not authorized to sell in Canada? When I used the dealer locator it told me to check out home.huebsch.com/...

The machines look to be identical - just with the different brand name.

Gary

Post# 703559 , Reply# 7   9/16/2013 at 13:21 (3,845 days old)
by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))    
 

I only can sugest to get a FL. I once washed with a TL, made by SQ, a commercial one, and they washed/rinsed horrible. Against any FL of course.
Whether the SQ or Maytag, you have to decide. On the SQ you can adjust the waterlevel, on a Maytag I don't know. Maytag gives you more options, SQ is just set'n'go. On the Maytag you probably will have dumped down temperatures, more then on the SQ. The Maytag has a heater, the SQ not.
But any way, a FL usese way less water by giving you good results compared to TL. And if you always select the extra rinse/ fabric softener option, may using perm press when ever possible, not overfilling the tub, it will work good.

Post# 703564 , Reply# 8   9/16/2013 at 13:46 (3,845 days old)
by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)    
 

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When I bought my Maytag 5000 Series four years ago, I too considered SQ. I was attracted to the pretty lights on the Maytag.

My informed decision was that Maytag/Whirlpool has a heater (Steam). It was slightly larger, and was about 1/2 the price.

The SQ I was originally informed (incorrectly) that it did not adjust water levels to loads.

I would say chose the one you are most comfortable with. I would go FL myself, but again that would be your preference. SQ used to have, as was noted, a very poor rating for water extraction, sand disposal, and even washing performance. This was many years ago, and now Speed Queen's longevity has placed them at the top of the list for top loaders.




Post# 703603 , Reply# 9   9/16/2013 at 18:43 (3,845 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Thanks everyone, I am leaning towards the Maytag 7000 series. My niece has an LG FL and she hates it, says the cloths never come out clean and she has to wash it twice.

If I get the Maytag, I can get an extended warranty for an additional 4 years for around 200.00



Post# 703609 , Reply# 10   9/16/2013 at 19:53 (3,845 days old)
by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)    
 
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The story I heard was that after the demise of the solid tub Queens, Whirlpool Canada bought the Speed Queen name here. I remember seeing a few DD Whirlpool washers with the Speed Queen name on them (much to my horror). Whirlpool won't allow the name to be used thus SQ needed to market their machines under a different name in Canada.
If anyone can add more information or correct this, please do.

Post# 704855 , Reply# 11   9/23/2013 at 10:39 (3,838 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

I still am going back and forth over the maytag 7000 and SQ TL or FL.

Anymore advise on choosing the SQ?

Thanks

Post# 704869 , Reply# 12   9/23/2013 at 12:03 (3,838 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
yes warranty

If warranty reflects confidence in a product, then the big makers must not have much.

Post# 704874 , Reply# 13   9/23/2013 at 12:54 (3,838 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Anyone have a SQ FL that can comment on it vs the fancy electronics of Maytag and others?

Post# 704886 , Reply# 14   9/23/2013 at 14:06 (3,838 days old)
by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)    
 

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This is all opinion but that is what you are seeking right?

I'd rather have a mechanically solid basic machine compared to a machine that is less robust with lots of gimmick features you won't use. In the end the cost will likely be the same, perhaps more for the Maytag if you buy the extended warranty.

As for the FL vs the TL, I'd only consider the frontloader. Its a mechanically simpler machine that has a higher capacity then the TL machine. You will need to learn how to use a FL machine as they are different but you will get great results if you are willing to adapt. You will save water and energy and create less wear and tear on your clothing to boot.



Post# 704890 , Reply# 15   9/23/2013 at 14:18 (3,838 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Thanks for your reply.
So SQ is better even through it does not have any of the newer features of Maytag like sanitize, Fresh Hold for 12 hours, steam, water heat?

I am looking at about a $200.00 US increase for extended warranty.

Post# 704902 , Reply# 16   9/23/2013 at 14:43 (3,838 days old)
by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)    
 

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With the exception of the boost heater I'd call all the Maytag "features" you listed gimmicks. I do wish the SQ had a heater, but I think the majority of people will get by without a heater just fine.

As for the extended warranty I'd NEVER buy one on anything I ever buy. If the item was so unreliable that I "need" the added warranty I won't buy the product period! If you were likely to get your money's worth out of the warranty, then the company selling it couldn't stay in business, its either a good deal for you or them, not both. Aside from peace-of-mind extended warranties are like the lottery, an added tax for people who are bad at math.

Post# 704909 , Reply# 17   9/23/2013 at 14:57 (3,838 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

That makes sense.

My emotions are playing tricks on me, but I think your right about the features that probably will never get used. I do like the 3 year warranty on the SQ and this is going to be the deciding issue.

On the SQ TL, I was worrying about using 30+ gallons of water, so I may do the FL.

Post# 704923 , Reply# 18   9/23/2013 at 16:12 (3,838 days old)
by mrb627 (Buford, GA)    
 
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I have the Speed Queen FL and initially I was concerned about the lack of a heater. But honestly, I don't find the lack of a heater to impact the final results at all. I will say that the Speed Queen FL is built to handle abuse and it does that exceptionally well.

Malcolm

Post# 704957 , Reply# 19   9/23/2013 at 18:09 (3,838 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Thanks Malcolm,

Guess that is why they are so expensive.

Post# 705075 , Reply# 20   9/24/2013 at 07:53 (3,837 days old)
by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)    
 
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I to would get the SQ FL machine, in the long run it will not only last longer but will be easier to repair if you want to really see if it will last 25,000 loads as SQs engineers say it can [ that works out 48 years at 10 loads per week ].

 

 I have said many times that I would never buy a service contract and any appliance and even if they were FREE all they really guarantee you is crappy inferior service. About the only good thing about a SC is after they waste enough of your time and energy trying to actually get something fixed under contract, they will [ sometimes replace the appliance ] usually after a lot of fighting. A decent servicer would have just fixed the problem properly on the first call and you could have saved making several appointments and the cost of taking the time from work or other things would have rather been doing.

 

My brother Jeff and I got our SQ FL washers about eight years ago and love them, recently two other brothers got SQ FL washers, so 4 out of five of us now have SQ FL washers, I guess I will have to work on my older brother, LOL.


Post# 705081 , Reply# 21   9/24/2013 at 08:18 (3,837 days old)
by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)    
 

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me if i have a choice i would be better off buying a top load washer because in my own personel opinion i fine that washing clothes in more water gets clothes much cleaner

Post# 705088 , Reply# 22   9/24/2013 at 09:25 (3,837 days old)
by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)    
 

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Speed Queen Top loader for too many reasons.....
Including the most important one that IMO Top loader agitator washers wash better than front loaders...


Post# 705090 , Reply# 23   9/24/2013 at 09:35 (3,837 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

I thought it was the reverse, that FL washed better?
I have made up my mind on the SQ, just trying to decide on the TL or FL model.
TL would be the 542.


Post# 705095 , Reply# 24   9/24/2013 at 10:22 (3,837 days old)
by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)    
 

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It depends from person to person...you may find lots of people that switch as soon as they can from a front loader because they says it does not wash as good as a toploader., the same way you may find people that are satisfied with them.
"I thought they washed better"..... I don't know who told you this..but often this thought  is because of a tricky suggestion given by the tricky name (High efficiency) and advertisements for such machines:
You must keep in mind that despite the High efficiency name (in the USA) was given also because of this...to "trick" and make people think at something better performing along with baloney told in advertisements, this does not mean it necessarily must be   and so is in the reality though,  efficiency  want only means efficiency in consumption, that  very often equals in poor wash since there is a race to use less water possible, thus not getting good results because of this also...
Front loaders and top loaders...well  it changes also from model to model, for example I could say that maybe a front loader may wash better than a newer GE top loader, but it will not  wash better compared to a Speed Queen or older Ge filter-flo or Whirlpool belt drive..for example..
It also much changes from models and brands of the same kind...you can only go with a general speech...
On the Speed Queen facebook page they also recently brought up a kind of "survey" asking if people had front loader or top loaders, speaking in results the  most people commented that they won't own a front loader as they won't wash as good as top loaders, and so do many other people elsewhere...
The same way you can also find people that are happy with front loaders in other surveys , as you could find many in this community also...
For us, as washer appasionate the TL vs FL matter has always brought heated discussion on here  from people of the two school of thoughts... so is never nice to discuss...
You must take my suggestion as a singular one as you have to do with each one of the others you'll receive...
As I was saying you may recive very different suggestion from different people...
Then it will be anyway up to you...

I say, and again, this want to be shared now as a  my opinion,  generally,  and  that's because of their  tumbling washing  action,  I don't think that front loader washing will ever be as good as a wash of a top loader agitator, and that's what I could personally  find out and experience...then as I was saying it depend from type to type....
So I suggest you to seek for someone that already owns one and if possible look at the washing ability if it satisfy your canons in person...
This will better than any opinion and suggestion by a stranger...including me of course...unfortunately when it comes in such an argument like front loader vs Top loader you'll always find many conflicting opinions, experiences and thoughts...





This post was last edited 09/24/2013 at 14:41
Post# 705097 , Reply# 25   9/24/2013 at 10:33 (3,837 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

My niece has an LG FL and hates it, says cloths do not come out clean.
My other niece has a Maytag HE TL and loves it.

I started looking at the Maytag 7000 series and can get Washer/Dryer pair for around
2100.00 US dollars + 200.00 US dollars for extended warranty.

I was looking at these because of the steam and fresh hold feature.
But a SQ TL & dryer would be around 1500.00.

The SQ FL & dryer would be around 2200.00 also.

So it would cost me around 700.00 to go FL over TL

Your right, I can google opinions on TL and FL and get good/bad reviews on both.

Post# 705119 , Reply# 26   9/24/2013 at 13:52 (3,837 days old)
by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))    
 

Well, again, you have to adapt to your FL if you get one. Like, throwing in clothes wont work. You will have to unfold them, and place them seperatly in the drum. And you will probably need a extra rinse.
BUT math it up again: Your front load will use roud about 18 gallons with a extra rinse. Your TL uses 32 gallons of water without a extra rinse. These 14 gsllons are enough to wash a smaller load with the FL again. So your water coasts will be, lets say, 1 and 3 quarts more on the TL. So even if you have to re wash 1 of 3 loads again, you would just pay the same on water. And as you see water bills have built the fastest elevator them selves, the FL will just be more safe in the future.
And FL are only as bad as the users are, the same on TL. But then againt, TL use more, way more water.

Post# 705129 , Reply# 27   9/24/2013 at 14:20 (3,837 days old)
by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)    
 

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A curiosity....who fold  dirty laundry prior the washing??? LOL
You maybe meant put them loose and do not pack them?
That's for every machine, one of the first rules for good results... :D


Post# 705139 , Reply# 28   9/24/2013 at 15:49 (3,837 days old)
by norgeway (mocksville n c )    
 
When it gets

To the point that I can not keep a Whirlpool/Kenmore belt drive, I would get the SQ, but im not concerned about water usage etc, im concerned about clean clothes!

Post# 705151 , Reply# 29   9/24/2013 at 16:51 (3,837 days old)
by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)    
 

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First off I'd suggest you move along past the top loading HE machines, I think they are likely a poor choice especially if you are washing a full load.

Secondly remember you don't need to have a matched pair, unless its something that you (or your wife/significant other) desires. There are many new or vintage dryers out there that cost a lot less then the matching unit and are every bit as good or better.

As you found the SQ top load pair is the least expensive at the initial purchase. If you factor in the cost of water and energy coupled with the added mechanical complexity leading to higher repair costs, you may find that in 10 years the TL will cost well more then the FL.

There have been many religious-like arguments of the FL vs TL over the years. Both have proponents and opponents. I am likely to agree that a conventional TL machine may provide more vigorous washing action then a FL machine. But a downside of that action is that they do tend to be harder on clothing, that could change cost calculations too. Personally I think many (not all) of the the people that say they hate front loaders just never really learned how to use them correctly.

You did state that you are concerned with water usage, and I personally applaud you for that. I try to make my decisions based on whatever allows me to use the least resources I can whenever possible. I don't want inadequate cleaning or rinsing anymore then anyone else does, but I do want to do the best I can with the least waste. In the current laundry world the front loaders are unmatched in that regard.

Post# 705167 , Reply# 30   9/24/2013 at 18:34 (3,837 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Just got back from the dealer. The SQ FL & Dryer would cost about the same as a Maytag 7000 series with pedestals and extended warranty.

The dealer would cover parts & labor for an additional 4 years on the Maytag.

Do you still feel the SQLFL would be a better choice?

Regards,

Frank

Post# 705177 , Reply# 31   9/24/2013 at 19:21 (3,837 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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If I were you, I'd opt for the Maytag, with its larger capacity, cycle flexibility, and internal water heater. Others will say go for the Speed Queen because of the heavy-duty build quality.

Will you install the machine on a concrete basement floor or on a wooden floor? The Maytag gets better scores for freedom from vibration on wooden floors than the Speed Queen (according to Consumer Reports).

Unfortunately, we can't make up your mind for you. You have to do what's best for your particular situation. Let us know which one choose!

Post# 705178 , Reply# 32   9/24/2013 at 19:22 (3,837 days old)
by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)    
 

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the choice of a washer dryer is up to you and depends on how many loads you have per day

Post# 705193 , Reply# 33   9/24/2013 at 21:43 (3,837 days old)
by Washman (o)    
 
Here's my vid

of my AWN 542 doing a full load of towels
Click link below.

You can see first hand how the wash cycle works. Bear in mind Iused far too much detergent, that is not a fault of the wash action but rather me.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Washman's LINK


Post# 705195 , Reply# 34   9/24/2013 at 21:44 (3,837 days old)
by Washman (o)    
 
Edit

the agitation is normal cycle.

Post# 705200 , Reply# 35   9/24/2013 at 21:59 (3,837 days old)
by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)    
 

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I understand your reluctance it's a major purchase, and you don't want to chose wrong.
Ultimately the best choice is what you will be happy with. As has been pointed out each has pros and cons.

Buck up and make a decision, there is no wrong answer if you are pleased with the choice.

Post# 705290 , Reply# 36   9/25/2013 at 14:00 (3,836 days old)
by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))    
 

To the point with matching pairs: I totally agree. Like I would never buy a dryer with a rear to rear air stream. In my opinion, that is ineffective. Next, reversing drum motion is a good point either and at leats I would go with the Washer-volume*2 rule to get wrinkle free clothing. Things a dryer should have IMHO...

Post# 705296 , Reply# 37   9/25/2013 at 14:22 (3,836 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

henene4,

Are you saying the SQ TL & Dryer?

Post# 705298 , Reply# 38   9/25/2013 at 14:33 (3,836 days old)
by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))    
 

At all dryers... How can you think about a washer??? I wrote the word dryer up there...

Post# 705300 , Reply# 39   9/25/2013 at 14:37 (3,836 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Sorry missed that, I am thinking about the pair that I need to purchase.

Post# 705315 , Reply# 40   9/25/2013 at 16:29 (3,836 days old)
by Lightedcontrols ()    
 
Today

Today I repaired two Maytag FL's. One was a year and a half old, and I replaced the tub bearing in it. The other was a year and a week old, and I replaced the control board. Both of those repairs were a little over $400.00 You couldn't give me that crap. You don't need a heater and all that other stuff even though the marketing is really good on Whirlpool's part, to make you think that you do. You don't need steam in your washer OR dryer either. For what? Are your clothes THAT dirty? If they are, throw them away and get new ones! Stick with the Speed Queen machines. The last one that I worked on was a 1962 that wouldn't fill up. The owner had replaced his pump and filled all of his water lines to the washer, dishwasher, icemaker, etc.... with mud. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with the machine! Mark

Post# 705346 , Reply# 41   9/25/2013 at 18:08 (3,836 days old)
by Washman (o)    
 
I agree with lightedcontrols

Far too much has been put into unecessary gimmicks at the expense of quality components and time tested design.

When did it become necessary to steam clothes in order to clean them?

When did it become necessary to have water heated by your machine in order to ensure a clean load of clothes? The vast majority of cotton and cotton/blend fabrics read in part "machine wash warm, tumble dry low. Warm iron if needed"

How then did momma and granny manage to wash cloth diapers in their Maytags, Speed Queens and such relying soley on the heated water from the water heater? Does anyone recall scores of babies sick and diseased because of this? This too when most people line dried their laundry!

Along those lines, when did plain jane old Tide or Rinso suddenly not clean clothes enough to remove bacteria and viruses and other nasty bugs? Amazingly enough, I cannot recall ever being sick because my clothes were ridden with bacteria! Thus the reason so called antibacterial detergents are just plain old hyperbole.

We're told to wash our grubby hands after going potty in 120 degree water with soap. Why is that not sufficient to clean your tighty whities?

We see that on FL machines, there is a sanitization cycle or cleaning cycle where we need to "clean" the machine that is supposed to clean our clothes! That's like scrubbing your shower head each time you take a shower! Does that really make sense? And how efficient in terms of energy use is that when you are using resources to clean...........a friggin washing machine for god's sake?!?!??!

To those who subscribe to such nonsense, I challenge you to stop, take a deep breath and grow a brain. Put down CR. It is not nor has it ever been the be-all-end-all reservoir of product knowledge. Turn off GMA, CNN, the CBS morning news when they announce ".......we'll tell you what you need to know about _________"
Cancel your subscription to Mother Jones or Mother Earth news. If you smoke illicit herb, stop. If you drink more than 3 drinks a day every day, stop.
Doing so will clear your mind and allow you to get back to what you should have done all along and that is think for yourself.

It has always been the job of the marketing department to invent a "need" then spend ungodly amounts of money convincing everyone of such need and how their product is the ONLY one that will meet this so-called "need".

But stop and think please. Consider how hundreds of millions of poor in this world do laundry each and every day sans microprocessor controlled stainless HE TL or FL machines.
Consider how laundry was done "back in the day" with water guzzling sturdy appliances that lasted longer than most marriages.

Then make your decision.

P.S. I agree 100% with the poster regarding "extended warrantees". Why should you be paying for the manufacturers lack of confidence in their own product?

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Washman's LINK


Post# 705353 , Reply# 42   9/25/2013 at 18:35 (3,836 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Water needs to be heated because new machines often limit incoming water temperature to 100 degrees, no matter how hot your water heater is set.  When you press "Hot" on a vintage machine, you get water the temperature of your tap; that's not the case with machines made after 2010.

 

This is one of the things that frustrates me about my 2012 Frigidaire top-loader.  The water is never much over 100 degrees, which is lukewarm in my book.

 

I would suspect a repairman would see more Maytags, Whirlpools, etc., because they make up a large proportion of washer sales. Speed Queen sells only a very small fraction of the number sold by major brands due to limited availability.  I would suspect if SQ sold as many washers as Whirlpool, you'd see more of them on repair calls. 

 

Please understand I'm not knocking Speed Queen.  I'm just trying to provide some balance in the conversation about washers. 




This post was last edited 09/25/2013 at 22:31
Post# 705354 , Reply# 43   9/25/2013 at 18:38 (3,836 days old)
by logixx (Germany)    
 

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Between the two, I'd go for the Maytag as I like to set a cyle that does just what I want it to. Besides, I tend to use all the options on my appliances and there's not much to choose from on the SQ. If, however, you're like most people and like to have a simple and sturdy washer and dryer  - and you don't have to wash delicate or stained items on a regular basis - the SQ is it.


Post# 705358 , Reply# 44   9/25/2013 at 18:53 (3,836 days old)
by Washman (o)    
 
I just purchased SQ TL this year

when I select hot, the water is as hot as it comes from the water heater. Warm on the other hand, is lukewarm at best. My 1999 GE profile was the same way.

Post# 705369 , Reply# 45   9/25/2013 at 19:45 (3,836 days old)
by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)    
 

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The gimmicky cleaning and sanitizing cycles on front loaders are simply a marketing ploy. They are to help calm the fears that a front loader will will get all stinky and funky (and perhaps help keep the stupid class action suit at bay for the manufacturer).

Its a pity that our society has devolved to the point where the customer isn't at fault for improper use of an appliance. And now we have gimmicks to play into that hand. A front load washer is a slightly different animal then what most American users are used to, one does have to adapt slightly to reap the benefits they hold.

Post# 705378 , Reply# 46   9/25/2013 at 20:34 (3,836 days old)
by washer111 ()    
 
Water Heating in Washers

These have been largely commonplace in European machines since their production started. And with many homes "back then" having oil or wood heaters, it was perhaps far more efficient to heat the water via electricity.

 

Today, many are moving away from pure electric water heaters to heat pump models, gas models, solar and geothermal models. This means the heater in the washer has become less efficient. These days though, the minimal amount of water that machines uses means even getting steaming tap hot water won't give you more than a "tepid" wash at best. The heater at least boosts the temperatures to a more desirable temperature in the wash. This means it is far more efficient tempering that inlet water and boosting it to the appropriate temperature (or taking straight cold water) and heating it than it is to waste all that hot water.

 

In other parts of the world, where we have the luxury of 240v/50Hz power supplies, the heaters on our washers give us the versatility to wash in anything between Cold and 95ºC. This means we can tailor our washes to what we need, rather than what our water-heater dictates (Especially when you have a 60/40 mix of Cold/Hot water, then hot water that isn't so hot to begin with) - which can range from anything from 50º to near boiling depending on your water heater and whether it is tempered in the laundry or not.

 

Personally, I see the distinct lack of heater in the SQ machines a significant issue - unless you reverse the inlet hoses or set your water at ridiculously in-efficient temperatures to get a true "Hot" wash on these machines, you aren't going to get excellent results with that "tepid" water on the "Warm" setting, and your machine might smell a little funky.

On a Top-Loading washer, Booster heaters are basically un-necessary, due to the huge volume of water utilized versus the small thermal mass of the washer's components. That, and combined with Warm/Hot rinses on Laundry day mean that boosting the temperature would be pointless in the Top-Loaders. More modern HE TL may need boosters, as they too use too little water to get the same hot effect they once got.


Post# 705379 , Reply# 47   9/25/2013 at 20:37 (3,836 days old)
by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)    
 
one thing that is also in need of considering is the new ene

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sure a modern frontload or top load is nice but there is one thing you need to consider in your toughs and that is with the new energy star rating will you fine yourself with dumbdown water temp like for exemple hot is warm warm is cool and cold is cold water from the tap? Maybe you should also consider looking for a vintage machine 1999 to 1970 or earlier for true water temp like for exemple this speedqueen set from 1972 or other brands

Post# 705380 , Reply# 48   9/25/2013 at 20:40 (3,836 days old)
by washer111 ()    
 
As for your Choice:

I would certainly recommend the Top-Loader if you want TRULY hot-water washes and Warm rinses. I can't speak much of washing performance, but people here are generally impressed with the performance they get from their washers.

 

However, if you can live with having to 'Pre-Treat' your FL machine before starting by purging the water lines, setting up to "start" a Hot wash, cancelling the loading clothes and starting up again (and the extra water usage here), then take the FL machine, and adjust the water levels to a more appropriate level (about the lip of the door boot).

The SQ like John said WILL last longer, give you better economy and perhaps better results after adjusting the water level. Go with that, if you prefer some "stuffing around" (even though you *shouldn't* have to - us washer lovers just make do and stuff around to get the best results)

 

Or, get a Miele :-)


Post# 705401 , Reply# 49   9/25/2013 at 22:12 (3,836 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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I disagree that sanitize cycles and allergy cycles are gimmicks. A sanitize cycle provides an excellent
"profile" wash, in which water is gradually heated to attack different stains at the optimum temperature to remove them. 150-degree water is great for stripping body oils from bed linens, for instance. It's not a matter of being paranoid about germs.

An allergy cycle heats water to 131 degrees.

I can tell you this much: If I put a full load of wildly-stained kitchen whites in a Speed Queen front-loader (or top-loader for that matter) on its longest cycle, that load will not emerge completely stain-free. Every stain is always removed when I use the Sanitize cycle. Every time. Always.

The Speed Queen front-loader gets unimpressive scores for cleaning, while the Maytag 7000 gets an excellent rating with a 50-minute cycle (Consumer Reports). The Maytag's capacity beats Speed Queen. It has a water heater to combat tepid water. And it resists vibration on wooden floors better than the Speed Queen.

Electronic Controls: Front-loading Speed Queens have electronic controls, don't they? The cycle dial looks like a cycle selector, not a mechanical timer that advances minute-by-minute like an analog timer.
We ooh-and-ahh over pre-wash or, in the case of Whirlpool, Super Wash options on vintage machines, but transfer that option to a modern front-loader and it's suddenly a worthless gimmick.

We need to get past the notion that every machine save for the Speed Queen is an unreliable, gimmicky piece of crap. I had a 2002 Frigidaire front-loading plastic piece of crap that washed 7-9 loads per week for over 8 years with not one single repair issue. It cost around $600. Not $1600, like a Speed Queen.




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Post# 705438 , Reply# 50   9/26/2013 at 05:28 (3,835 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Speed Queen cycles:  You get a one-size-fits-all Normal/Heavy Duty cycle.  No options to increase or decrease wash time to match load-soil conditions.  That's ridiculous for a home laundry appliance that lists for $1600.  That inflexibility is a major drawback in my book.  

 

With my cheap, plastic piece-of-crap 2010 Frigidaire, I can choose from 4 to 74 minutes of wash time, depending on the cycle and/or soil level selected.  Any load from lightly soiled to uber-stained gets customized treatment.  Need a prewash?  No problem: One can be added to the cycle.  Want to start a load in cold water and have it gradually heated to 110 degrees to help remove stains on loads that can't withstand the high temp of a Sanitize cycle?  No problem: Add the Stain Treat option to a cycle. And all this can be done without coming back to the machine to reset controls.   

 

That is what a modern home washer should be able to do.  

 




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Post# 705441 , Reply# 51   9/26/2013 at 05:53 (3,835 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Washman:  My machine prompts me to "clean washer" every 50 cycles.  Following the analogy you presented above:  Don't you clean your bathtub/shower stall at least once every 50 showers?

 

I completely disagree that any machine offering cycle flexibility or the option for heated water automatically makes it a tool of corporate and/or media propaganda.  I don't lay blame with CNN or Fox News if a manufacturer wants to offer more than a Start button on their washers.




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Post# 705453 , Reply# 52   9/26/2013 at 08:29 (3,835 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
Well FWIW

SQ is dominate in commercial laundry settings so if their machines were not up to snuff, they would not be there in the first place.

I still stand on the premise that doing laundry has gotten far too complicated and far too many machines are loaded with gimmicks that really don't add useful value.

Still, beyond SQ I would recommend pretty much any old school top loader with the paltry 7 cycles over a modern day whiz bang cheaply made FL today

Post# 705456 , Reply# 53   9/26/2013 at 08:54 (3,835 days old)
by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)    
 

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Been involved with toploaders since my born day.

Whirlpool & Kenmore belt-drive units, then Whirlpool & KitchenAid & Kenmore direct-drive.  Had occasion along the way to use a 1960s Kelvinator briefly, an aunt's 1969 Speed Queen, a 1970s GE FilterFlo.  1999 brought a Fisher & Paykel non-eco unit, then 2004 segued into another F&P just 'cause I wanted to update to the latest newfangled super-smart one-button model.

Mid-2008 offered opportunity to obtain a NIB Maytag Neptune TL at a give-away price so I took it for the novelty.  It's a mixed-bag ... does quite well on some kinds of loads, rather much poorly on others.

Late-2008 the Neppy TL crapped-out with a bad clutch (fixed under warranty).  Switched to a 2001 Whirly Calypso, which is the best toploader I've used to date (hear that? screams of outrage from the gallery).

Had opportunity to use a 2005 Whirlpool Duet HT (with water heating) for several months from end of 2012 into 2013.

Still using the Calypso as the daily driver.  The F&P occasionally, the Neppy TL less occasionally.

If I had to buy a new washer today, it'd be a frontloader of some brand/model of the Whirlpool family, with water heating.

Post# 705459 , Reply# 54   9/26/2013 at 09:43 (3,835 days old)
by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)    
 
GO WHIRLPOOL CALYPSOS!!!

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I totally agree, I've yet to see a topload washer perform better than a Calypso! I miss mine dearly and would KILL to get my hands on another one!!!


Post# 705463 , Reply# 55   9/26/2013 at 10:46 (3,835 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Agreed: I thought the Calypso's bouncing plate agitation was more effective than an impeller. But for whatever reason, those went the way of the dinosaur. Too bad they didn't find solutions for whatever the problem was. The big waterfall water recirculation dousing the bouncing clothes seemed pretty efficient.

Washman: There are certainly a lot of specialty cycles I find silly and have no use for---and front-loaders seem especially prone to having these. Here are some on my washer: Stuffed Animals (really?); Pet Beds (which is just a normal cycle with an extra rinse); Active Wear (my gym clothes can't be washed with everything else?); Jeans (a slow spin for jeans? no thanks)

These are my go-to cycles: Heavy Duty (can add Allergy option); Normal; Delicate; Sanitize; Casual (perm press). I use water heat options quite often, so I don't file them in the gimmick category. I also use the Steam option regularly. My washer doesn't actually produce steam; it provides an 18-minute first rinse in 125 degree water, then a warm final rinse. Items emerge very warm after final spin, just like the good old days. I love that option for sheets and bath towels.





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Post# 705467 , Reply# 56   9/26/2013 at 11:00 (3,835 days old)
by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)    
 

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Eugene, indeed there are a lot of other machines out there and they aren't without their merits. The Speed Queen products are heavily built and kinda crude overall as their commercial heritage might predict. In today's market (not 10years ago) the SQ products at least hold the appearance of having a significant durability edge. They also generally have better factory warranty coverage and potential for parts availability after 10 years. Any quality machine today may well give a nice long service life, the problem is we won't know for 10 years or so.

I have never been one to eschew electronic controls, if fact I hope to never again buy a new appliance that is hindered by old mechanical controls. There is so much versatility to be gained as well as the potential for greater reliability from electronic control (if built well). The ease and low cost of adding cycles and features is both a benefit and a detriment. Being able to custom define the cycles is great, but I disagree with adding features for the sake of marketing. In the old HiFi world I used to rate components by BWPD, Bells & Whistles per Dollar. With enough added glitz and flashing lights, an otherwise unremarkable product becomes a world beater in the eyes of uninformed buyers.

I would really like the Speed Queen to have a heater. But I suspect I will get by fine without one. And I can do so with a machine I suspect will last longer then most other products made today.

Post# 705469 , Reply# 57   9/26/2013 at 11:18 (3,835 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Phil, if Speed Queen's front-loader had more options for its three cycles---and a water heater---there would be one in my laundry room by the end of the day. If I preferred top-loaders, there would have been an AFN52F (like Washman's) in my laundry room four years ago.

It's not that I want their front-loader to have more cycles; just more flexibility within the ones it has. And given their electronic controls, there's no reason that can't easily be done without adding to the cost of the machine. After all, as you mentioned, that's the advantage of electronic controls.

Given some flexibility, Speed Queen's Normal/Heavy Duty, Perm Press, and Delicate cycles are really all one needs. Maybe an automatic pre-wash would be nice, as well.

I applaud Speed Queen's build quality and am the first to acknowledge theirs are the most solidly-built washers in the US. I give them credit for their warranty, as well. This doesn't mean, however, that machines from every other brand disintegrate after two years.



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Post# 705481 , Reply# 58   9/26/2013 at 13:25 (3,835 days old)
by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))    
 

Well, what I thought about would be a more uncommon way to get real hot water, but why don't you just get one of these hot-water-by-flowing-through-things, connect it between cold tap and inlet and if you need a extra hot wash, just turn it to the desired temp or just to get warm rinses?

Post# 705486 , Reply# 59   9/26/2013 at 13:58 (3,835 days old)
by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)    
 

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Let's not forget that Speed Queen once had a model with a heater. Unfortunately they stopped making it.

Post# 705512 , Reply# 60   9/26/2013 at 16:47 (3,835 days old)
by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)    
 

When you set the SQ FL water temp switch to hot wash, you get tap hot. If you purge the hot water lines of the cool water sitting in them before you start the washer, you will have a very hot fill. If your machine is in such a cool setting that you think the hot water will be too cooled by the cold metal parts of the machine, you can let it fill with hot water without a load in it (it only takes 3 gallons) and let it tumble a couple of minutes then drain the water and start it with a load in it. All of this is supposing that you keep your water heater at 140F.

Post# 705559 , Reply# 61   9/27/2013 at 00:36 (3,835 days old)
by LLMaytag (Southern California)    
 
Speed Queen Top Load - AWN 432 or 542

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Hey guys, I'm deciding between the AWN 432 or 542. I currently have a 432 where I'm living now, but will soon be moving and will leave the 432 here so I'll have to get a new one for the new place.

Both have the second rinse which is very important to me. On the 432 the wash/spin speeds are determined by the dial setting. For a delicate wash the only choice I have is intermittent gentle agitation with a slow spin. I do some loads for which I like the gentle agitation, though I'd rather it not be intermittent and I'd rather have a the normal spin speed. Because of this, I'm considering the 542.

The 542 has a separate dial for fabric selection...Regular (normal/normal), perm press (normal/slow), knit (gentle/normal), and delicate (gentle/slow). I determined this form the Care and Use guide I downloaded, but I couldn't figure out how the timer plays into it. That is, the timer has cycles for regular, perm press, delicate and hand wash. Does anyone have any idea?

Post# 705595 , Reply# 62   9/27/2013 at 05:28 (3,834 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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You can choose any of the four speed selections (Fabric Selector) for any cycle. 

 

Washman recently purchased the AWN 542 and loves it.  


Post# 705623 , Reply# 63   9/27/2013 at 08:03 (3,834 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
Washman does indeed love his USA made washer

And my laundry is clean as a whistle.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO washman's LINK


Post# 706913 , Reply# 64   10/2/2013 at 23:10 (3,829 days old)
by AutoWasherFreak ()    
 

If money was no object, I would love to have a SQ top loader and front loader, with the double dryer.


Post# 706926 , Reply# 65   10/3/2013 at 01:16 (3,829 days old)
by MIKESKE (Washington State)    
 

I am now giving my 2 cents

My wife and I had a Maytag top loader and matching dryer that lasted 25 years. We were completely satisfied with the old Maytag but after 25 years the transmission finally crapped out and the tub was rusting out so we went shopping.

We decided to get a Maytag Neptune (the Samsung one) front loader, that was the biggest headache machine we had ever bought. 4 control boards, 3 tub seals, and a rear bearing. These were all replaced in the extended warranty. Thank god I bought the extended warranty but I knew once the warranty was expired that I was not going to sink another dime on this white elephant.

A year and a month after the warranty expired the front tub seal started leaking again and my wife and I were shopping again and my wife challenged me to find a mechanical dial top loading machine.

I did the research on line and found this web site and started to read, issue with the brand and that brand and none of them very good as in the days long gone but except for one brand and that was Speed Queen.

I then went to Youtube and typed in "Speed Queen" I watched a video of cloths being washed in a newer Speed Queen washer and then called my wife and repeated the video. My wife took one look at it and she demanded that we buy a top load Speed Queen. Since she is the head cloths washer I took her to the appliance dealer 17 miles north of our home and had them sell us a new AWN432 top loading Speed Queen.

After the first week our cloths are coming out of the washer a little wetter but much cleaner as the machine does not just sprinkle water on the cloths but gives us a full 30 gallons to wash the cloths the way we are use to.

What everyone here is saying buy what the head cloths washer wants and use the resources here and online but then decide and do not look back. After having the Speed Queen for the last 18 months we are satisfied and I have had zero issues except when my wife dropped a rag between the rubber ring on top of the machine and it dropped inside. I took the front panel off and retrieved the rag.

Post# 706946 , Reply# 66   10/3/2013 at 05:46 (3,828 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

I think I am going with the Speed Queen 542 washer & matching Dryer. I wanted a Front Loader, but cannot see
spending 800 to a 1000 dollars more for the SQ.

This forum has helped so much.

Post# 706954 , Reply# 67   10/3/2013 at 06:44 (3,828 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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You're certainly welcome, frocco! As you witnessed, we aren't shy when it comes to sharing opinions, here.

It's funny that both of us wound up ordering an AWN542 Speed Queen. Two weeks ago I had no idea I would be purchasing a new "2nd machine" for the laundry room. All the talk about Speed Queens enticed me to empty my bank account.

The AWN542 won't take the place of my front-loader, which has a number of advantages I consider important, but it will be great to own the last of the truly traditional top-loaders, with a fun-to-watch spin-drain, no less!

Be sure to check back here and give us your opinion of the Speed Queen. It will be fun to compare notes. Mine arrives late next week. The Frigidaire Immersion Care top-loader has already been moved to its new home only a few blocks away, so there's an open space ready and waiting for the SQ to move in.





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Post# 707160 , Reply# 68   10/4/2013 at 07:00 (3,827 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Hi Frigilux,

>>The AWN542 won't take the place of my front-loader<<

Let me know if you still feel that way after using your 542.

Thanks

Frank

Post# 707165 , Reply# 69   10/4/2013 at 07:32 (3,827 days old)
by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)    
 

After you see what a front loader can do with a few gallons of water, especially in the winter when very cold water has to be heated, you begin to think twice about filling the tub full of water to wash the same amount of laundry.

Post# 707169 , Reply# 70   10/4/2013 at 07:55 (3,827 days old)
by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)    
 
Traditional TL Washer vs a Front Load Washer

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I would dough that anyone with both would use the TL as their main machine, a good FL washer just works so much better, I have had FL and Traditional TL machines for many years and the FLers get most of the use.

 

The basic design of a traditional TL washer as used in the US was conceived with the idea that the wash water would be used for at least 2 or 3 loads of clothing [ TL AWWs came from wringer washers and NOBODY that used WWs ever threw the water out after one batch of clothing was washed ]. To get decent cleaning out of a TL washer you have to use enormous amounts of detergent, water and heat all this water, just to begin to get the performance of a good FL washer.

 

I always drain the wash water from two loads in the FLers or my WP Calypso into a traditional TLer to start a load, otherwise the TLer never gets used.

 

And a TL washer while they can wash most items of clothing very well have a terrible time washing balky items like , coats, heavy bedding, jeans, these items just do not get washed uniformly in a TL washer without using huge amounts of washer and possible clothing damage.

 

If I could have only one machine I would get a machine that would excel at all laundry tasks, and the WP-MT FL washers are very good choices, with reasonable care you should get between 10-20 years use out of them. The SQ FL washer should easily last 2 to 3 times as long as the regular high volume brands,. but then again many of us might get bored with a washer after 30+ years LOL.

 

If you buy the MT or WP FLers and feel the need to buy a service contract, YOU are buying the wrong machine, by skipping the silly contract you will not only save money but possibly a lot of time and aggravation, John.


Post# 707242 , Reply# 71   10/4/2013 at 16:06 (3,827 days old)
by JeffG ()    
 

"I would dough that anyone with both would use the TL as their main machine, a good FL washer just works so much better"

I guess time is worth more to some people than others. Personally if I had both I promise you the FL wouldn't be touched. I don't want to sit and wait an hour (or usually more) for a load of laundry to wash.

Post# 707251 , Reply# 72   10/4/2013 at 16:33 (3,827 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
Totallyl agreed JeffG

Nor do I want to have to invest in special detergent to minimize suds.

Laundry need not be complicated; unfortunately, marketing at the big companies has apparently convinced many that it IS a complex process

Post# 707255 , Reply# 73   10/4/2013 at 16:46 (3,827 days old)
by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)    
 

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Ben,

You have quite a bunch of interesting Speed Queen pictures. Where did you get them from?

Post# 707256 , Reply# 74   10/4/2013 at 17:04 (3,827 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
foraloysius, I just googled them

some came from Ebay, some came from flikr.com.

After the first of the year, I think I will submit my resume to Alliance in Ripon. I can handle packers football, cheese, and German beer and brats.
Not sure if they could even use my talents, be as it may, but I am enthusisatic about the product.
I emailed them asking for some old advertisment literature; I have not yet heard back.

Only thing is I don't think you can dove hunt in Wisc. I may be wrong. That would be a bummer.

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Post# 707262 , Reply# 75   10/4/2013 at 18:56 (3,827 days old)
by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)    
 

The nice thing about the SQ FL is that it has a NORMAL cycle that takes about 45 minutes and a final spin that really removes as much water as the Miele W1986.

Post# 707268 , Reply# 76   10/4/2013 at 19:17 (3,827 days old)
by DigAPony ()    
 
I think I will submit my resume to Alliance in Ripon

Thats one heck of a commute from PA...

Post# 707315 , Reply# 77   10/4/2013 at 23:42 (3,827 days old)
by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)    
 

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You have quite a collection!

Post# 707344 , Reply# 78   10/5/2013 at 07:59 (3,826 days old)
by mrb627 (Buford, GA)    
 
Alliance Is Hiring...

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Submit your resume now!

Malcolm

Post# 707346 , Reply# 79   10/5/2013 at 08:13 (3,826 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
hee hee

Malcolm, it sure is tempting!

Post# 707350 , Reply# 80   10/5/2013 at 08:56 (3,826 days old)
by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)    
 
Traditional TL Washer vs a Front Load Washer

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Speed Of A FL Washer vs A TL machine.

 

My SQ FLer is the older small door model built in 2005 and it does the maximum cycle in just 30 minutes unless I select boosted hot wash which adds 15-30 minutes to the initial wash time depending on load size. So actually my FL washer is the fastest AW washer I have and the one I use if I an in a hurry, My LKM Gas combo and my GE combo [ both 1966 ] also complete the complete WRS cycle in just 30 minutes.

 

Cycle time does not have much to do with a machine loads from the front or top, and the new FL machines that do take up to two hours to complete a full cycle do a much better overall job than a traditional TL washer could ever dream of doing, let alone the fact that you save a lot of time drying the load afterwords.

 

 


Post# 708445 , Reply# 81   10/10/2013 at 17:29 (3,821 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Wanted to post an update on my buying decision.
I cancelled the Maytag purchase and ordered the Speed Queen 542 and SQ Dryer.

I wanted all those bells and whistles, but decided that the 1000.00 cost difference was not worth it.
If I had purchased the Maytags, my wife wanted the pedestals and that pushed it over our budget limit.

So my SQ's should be here next week.

Ironically, I purchased a SQ measuring glass last week from ebay.

Regards,

Frank

Post# 708478 , Reply# 82   10/10/2013 at 19:58 (3,821 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Frank-- Be sure to raise the water level. It's very simple. Here's the demonstration video I watched. My dealer made the adjustment for me, as doing it yourself technically voids the warranty. Be sure to unplug the washer when you open the console. My dealer didn't do that, even though he said, "Better be careful not to electrocute myself." Don't know if you want to defeat the lid switch so you can watch it work, but that's simple to do, as well. I did that one myself, as the dealer refused to; understandably so.

Meant to ask earlier and forgot: What was the brand and format (TL or FL) of your previous washer?

I like the AWN542, though I've only washed 5 loads so far. I still prefer my front-loader for a lengthy list of reasons, but if you're going to have a top-loader, the SQ is the way to go!






Post# 708484 , Reply# 83   10/10/2013 at 20:29 (3,821 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Frigilux

Thanks for the info.
Wish I could afford to have both.

My last washer was an Amana TL


Post# 708490 , Reply# 84   10/10/2013 at 20:50 (3,821 days old)
by Washman (o)    
 
Congrats frocco

Be sure to keep us posted.

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Post# 708545 , Reply# 85   10/11/2013 at 05:41 (3,820 days old)
by frocco (Sauquoit,NY)    
 

Thanks Washman

Hope I won't be disappointed.

Post# 708589 , Reply# 86   10/11/2013 at 11:41 (3,820 days old)
by ozarkdude ()    
 
Brave new world

Top loader vs front loader? Is that like caveman beat clothes on rocks vs man inventing the wheel?

Beats me. But front load washers have been THE choice of commercial use longer than Ive been alive, and I'm 55 years old. And SQ does seem to have the market share in commercial FL washers.

Are the laundromats buying machines based more on energy use and water consumption, and less of quality washing capability? Possibly. Probably. But how many complain their clothes didn't come clean at the laundromat? So if the clothes come out clean, AND you save energy, isn't that a win win? You save on your electric bill, both in the electrical consumption the washer uses, as well as the drying time in the dryer. You save water, which for people like me, on a well, is the difference between having water for a shower or not, and, you use less soap.

I read a lot of the complaints about front loaders. Smell, mold, mildew, vibration. But dig deeper. These machines use 1/10th the wash water of a TL, yet people put in as much detergent as they put in their TL. They park the machines on light flexible floors, even though the OM specifically says to place them on firm foundations. You cant do everything wrong and then complain when the machine doesn't work right.

I took this LG FL apart (bad bearings). The soap drawer was gooey as was the fabric softener drawer. Did they use too much? The drum had heavy residue all around the front and back, and the support spider was clogged with soap scummy grunge. But no corrosion.

I don't know how it will work out, but I'm committed to the technology. Were going to use powdered soap and zero fabric softener in the machine, and cut the soap quantity back to about 1/10th (or less) the amount per wash we used in the TL, and see how it works. And regardless how this LG works out, Ive got my eye out for a commercial grade SQ front loader and dryer. My goal is to have a vertical stack in the wash room.


Post# 708722 , Reply# 87   10/12/2013 at 00:46 (3,820 days old)
by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)    
 
Maybe a way to market the front loader

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Is to say that it is the last washer one may ever buy. Try to appeal to those customers and SQ may well sell a lot of front loaders. If I had a family I might well want one of those even with the high price, knowing it might outlast at least 2 duets.

Oh, wait just read above and Combo, you do recommend the FL.

My question is, why doesn't Consumer Reports like it? If it is a matter of not cleaning heavily soiled clothes, it the FL still a good choice if maybe you work in a office and your clothes are not as dirty?

Post# 710602 , Reply# 88   10/21/2013 at 13:43 (3,810 days old)
by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota)    
 
New Speed Queens

Well, I finally gave in to all the conversation on here lately about Speed Queen washers and dryers. Today I did the unthinkable and drove on down to Bathrick's Appliances here in Hastings and ordered my Speed Queen top-load washer and electric dryer. They are set to be delivered on Wednesday or sooner if the delivery guys have a cancellation.

I should've did this last year and forgone the Whirlpool top loader I have now. It's got the stupid automatic temperature control and lid lock. The dumb thing gets unbalanced at least once a week and takes forever to finish a normal load of wash.

I'll update everyone on my new toys later this week.

Rob

Post# 710618 , Reply# 89   10/21/2013 at 14:57 (3,810 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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I purchased a Speed Queen AWN542 top-loading washer a couple of weeks ago and like it a lot. If you are looking for the classic top-load experience, you made the right choice.

Just make sure to tell the installers you want the water level raised to the top row of holes in the tub. SQ lowered the water level to meet water-use mandates, but customer service has given dealers permission to raise the water level back to the top of the tub if the customers requests it.



Post# 710634 , Reply# 90   10/21/2013 at 16:41 (3,810 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
rll70sman be sure to keep us posted.

I am keenly interested to know how you like your machines. I trust they will deliver the goods with clean laundry and peace of mind knowing that you bought old school, proven designs not destined for the rubbish bin after the warranty runs out.

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Post# 710727 , Reply# 91   10/22/2013 at 05:10 (3,809 days old)
by brucelucenta ()    
 

Amazing that so many have so much to say reguarding what washing machine to buy. All I can say is that if you are judging by performance that there is no comparison in top loaders vs. front loaders. Clearly the front load washers of today out perform any top loaders and are far more efficient with water. They also produce a load of laundry virtually lint free with no redeposition of sediment, something even the best top loader cannot do. On a purely personal taste of washers, I prefer a top loader. But that is not because they perform or wash your clothes better, just because I happen to like them.

Post# 710731 , Reply# 92   10/22/2013 at 06:02 (3,809 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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I am a proponent of modern front-loaders. A Frigidaire 4174 is my daily driver. Purchased the Speed Queen because it's the last of the truly classic top-loaders, and I wanted one for posterity. And the spin-drain is fun to watch. The Frigidaire out-performs the SQ in several areas.

Some people just don't want a front-loader. A Speed Queen is probably the machine they're looking for.

Post# 711130 , Reply# 93   10/24/2013 at 00:36 (3,808 days old)
by Spinmon (st. charles mo )    
 

I like the 30 minute normal wash cycle of our AWN 542,the spin drain,water fills tub quickly,and my favorite;normal wash speed makes great 'slosh' sounds along with a slight 'woo-woo',depending on proximities to the machine. :)

Post# 711195 , Reply# 94   10/24/2013 at 12:11 (3,807 days old)
by washman (o)    
 
This too is my 1st

experience with spin drain. I find it fascinating and I marvel at how the stout 1/2 HP motor brings the works up to speed, water and all.

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Post# 711251 , Reply# 95   10/24/2013 at 19:57 (3,807 days old)
by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota)    
 
Excellent, excellent machines!

I washed and dried two colored loads--one with mixed fabrics and one with jeans and towels--in my new AWN412 top-load washer and ADE3LR electric dryer delivered last evening. Wow! They are fast, quiet, no-nonsense machines (think vintage Maytags)! No stupid lid locks, balancing acts, 10-minute fill times, dumbed-down water temperatures, and wind-down spin cycles! In fact, I've yet to time how long it took the tub to fill with warm wash and cold rinse water, but it certainly didn't take longer than three minutes or so. Love the spin-drain and a spray rinse after the wash cycle instead of the rinse.

Rob

Post# 711255 , Reply# 96   10/24/2013 at 20:29 (3,807 days old)
by Washman (o)    
 
Glad to hear rll70sman

I hope you find these machines as inspiring as I do for their simplicity, quality, and ease of use.

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Post# 711308 , Reply# 97   10/25/2013 at 04:40 (3,807 days old)
by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)    
 

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Rob-- My AWN542 fills with warm water in about 3-3/4 minutes; cold in about 4-1/2; hot in about 5 minutes. Mine may take a bit longer as the water level has been adjusted to the top row of holes, in essence filling the tub full.

It is a very time-efficient machine. It took my 2013 Frigidaire Immersion Care (impeller-based) top-loader 25 minutes to complete a Rinse & Spin cycle. It's about 12 minutes in the Speed Queen. To be fair, the Frigidaire had a final spin time of 11 minutes, which extracted more water.

The very short final spin time of the SQ is probably my only grumble about the machine. Loads emerge with a lot of excess moisture. I timed the dry cycle of two identical loads of bath linens, one spun in my Frigidaire front-loader (1300 rpm) and one in the SQ. The load from the front-loader spent 54 minutes in the dryer; the load from the SQ spent 92 minutes in the dryer. That's a huge difference.



Post# 712957 , Reply# 98   11/3/2013 at 11:20 (3,797 days old)
by
JeffG ()    
 

Eugene, that's the first complaint I've heard that final spin times are too short on these washers. Although I've heard the opposite complaint more than once, claiming the cycles are too long. :) Once the water stops running out of your clothes during a spin, usually after just a few minutes, further water extraction comes at the expense of wrinkles. So it's always a tradeoff between extraction performance and final condition of the clothes, along with noise/vibration.

At least in our house we use the slower spin speed on or SQ TL as often or more often than the faster 710rpm, but it would be nice to have a 1000+rpm option for towels and other loads where wrinkling isn't a problem. But the upside is that better clothes (dress shirts etc) come out ready to wear with slower spin speeds.







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