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Post# 189283   2/7/2007 at 17:11 (4,610 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Hello

I wish to buy a new washing machine. I will spend around the £500 mark.

Features that interest me....quietness (quieter than Zanussi), reliability, durability, ability to wash a double duvet at a push. Ability to do a decent wash for normally soiled clothes in an hour or so. Ability to do a 50 degrees wash. Decent wool / handwash. A machine which always takes down any detergent you feed it and doesn't leave it in the drawer. Ditto for softener - doesn't leave too much gunk in the dispenser. I don't like machines which are silly about balancing, but I don't want to hear it thump-thump-thumping either. I find the LGs make quite an annoying noise like this on spin start up as the suspension flexes. A machine whose fascia writing doesn't wear off! The Zanussi now offers a choice of `spin spee..' and `tem era ures' lol after just three years with the occasional wipe with Fairy.

Features that don't interest me....spin speeds of more than 1100/1200 rpm....loads of bells and whistles...just want a great basic machine without too many annoying habits.

A sensible machine for a sensible price. I don't want to waste my money on rubbish, but I don't want to pay for extras I don't care about. For this reason my choice would be a Miele Premier 520 ar £478 from an oline retailer, as I feel it's probably the best build quality for the money. That's not the only factor though. Is there quieter, for the money? Is there a decent larger capacity machine for the money?

What are your opinions please?

Thanks in advance for your input

Nick



Post# 189286 , Reply# 1   2/7/2007 at 17:30 (4,610 days old) by lavamat_jon (-)        

Hi Nick,

My number one choice for your needs would be the Premier 520, or perhaps the W1512 which for a similar price has slightly more flexibility (e.g. 50*C temperatures on cottons as well as minimum iron, as well as the ability to do a deep fill delicates wash at up to 60*C and several "novelty" programmes such as denim, dark garments etc). Though they are slightly louder then the more expensive Miele's which use brushless motors, they are by no means obtrusive and no louder than any other machine you could get for the same price... I've seen my friends Premier 520 running and it is quieter than his old AEG 74630 which already was a quiet machine. In terms of the the dispenser, I've always had liquid left behind now that liquids are concentrated nowadays no matter what machine I've used and the Miele doesn't solve that problem. However, using powder & tabs and using the dosing device as one should for liquids I've never had a real problem with detergent dispensing.

You can get a decent AEG, or even a high end Bosch or Siemens machine for a similar price but I feel, if it's build quality you are looking for then the Miele probably is the way to go. But bear in mind £500 can buy you a 7 kilo 80000 series AEG - however at this level you are getting the bells and whisltes (e.g. the LCD display), and from having both an AEG and a Miele run side by side the Miele is quicker, more efficient and just seems to be a better machine. Plus I've had that mystery tearing issue with the AEG (holes have stopped appearing raadomly on laundry now I've been running everything through the Miele), as well as the occasional problem of the AEG refusing to tumble on a 40*C cottons wash and noisy bearings after only 3 years of light use.

The Bosch Exxcel machines seem quite interesting, a lot of features for the money and have a 7 kilo capacity, but whilst it does have an aqua plus button for more water, the one we had was ever so measly on water consumption and it showed through hairs & lint being left on the laundry as well as a strong detergent smell, even with Rinse Plus selected. So with your young son, I'm not sure whether or not that'll be a concern for you.

The Maytag-Asko machines would be another option, however they don't have a wide service/parts network I believe so as tough as these machines are, if there ever was a breakdown you'll probably be safer going with one of the more widespread brands. But these do indeed have the "cool" factor that other machines don't have, and I believe they do have quite short cycle times - if I'm right in remembering they're flexible in giving you 4 cottons washes which take about 30, 60, 90 or 120 mins.

Hope everything is going well for you!

Jon


Post# 189407 , Reply# 2   2/7/2007 at 23:41 (4,610 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
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Miele! Get a Miele!

I dont see the point in the high end AEG's because your getting the same drum, bearings motor etc juts paying silly amounts extra for 400rpm extra in the spin and some flashy lights and maybe an extra 1kg drum space..... 2 pairs of jeans is hardly worth paying £200 for if the other features dont matter to you.

Like yourself I dont care for a spin more than 1200rpm, its too much on the fabric and Im convinced any faster and it compromises the bearing reliabilty and indeed the motor.

The Miele Premier 520 will out live the AEGs at least 3 times I feel and the features are aplenty even for the basic machine. Whilst im not knocking Jons Miele :-) I feel programmes such as the novelty ones mentioned above are a tad pointless although I cant really say much because I dont know fully what they do.

However Ive washed my jeans on 40*c Non Colourfast cottons for years and they look, wear and feel just how they should. Im not sure about why a jeans cycle would appeal to someone.

like I say im not knocking it I just dont personally understand the logic in it :-)

HOWEVER I like the idea of the pillow wash spinning the air out of the pillow first in theory although id love to see it in action to judge whether or not id use it.

The 520 is my modern dream machine and closest to the reliability, wash cycle options and water usage of a typlical 80's machine I will ever get. I dont have a need for push button controls, im at my happiest swizzing a dial round in the course of programme selection.

shame the dial does not click round..... tut tut lol.

Just my tuppence anyway, hope it helps.

Nick


Post# 189445 , Reply# 3   2/8/2007 at 04:11 (4,609 days old) by cbosch ()        
machines

There are many wonderful machines outthere and from what youve described you, in my opinion have four choices

1. Reliability ( work horse) = Miele
2. Stylish look (for in kitchen) = bosch
3. Felixibilty ( 50degrees and high water level) = hotpoint
4. Decent wool wash (actually cleans them) = Hoptpoint

Enjoy picking
I only wish we could have a systme where by you could try and test any machine for a month before we by them.


Post# 189447 , Reply# 4   2/8/2007 at 04:59 (4,609 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hi Nick,
If your thinking longterm in this day and age the miele is going to win. I love going round jons to see his and they are a great compramise between quality and economy. However i would like to defend AEG for a moment.

We've had an AEG washing for 3people, doing full loads just about everyday and it's now approaching its 4th year. It has NEVER gone wrong. It is very solid and very flexible. Do not discount them. I would like to upgrade to the 7kg model but i feel i could wait until this dies as its 5kg is rather generous.

My model doesnt have fancy programmes, it has 50degree cycles, A time remaining indicator. the writing on the fascia is behind a plastic trim and looks brand new.

They don't mess around too much balancing, my model has a spring loaded foot for added stability at high speeds. Its balance sensor is great. If whilst at distribution speed the load became fairly unbalanced it will carry on tumbling at a fractionally lower speed and then back up to distribution to resolve it. and will usually spin if the load is fairly unbalanced starting off slow and gradually increasing to even the load out.

I've used a ton of different detergents and all wash down the dispenser well, though atm i'm using ariel liquitabs so thats not an issue.

I didnt hear you mention rinse ability which is important with modern machines. AEGs and like Miele you can programme for a more satisfactory rinse either Rinse + on my model which adds 2 rinses and increases water levels. Or on models like jons AEG and the newer high end ones you can press sensitive which really adds some water and extra rinses. You can also combine this with Rinse + which will give you an addition rinse. Which is similar to water plus on a miele which you have different varations of as jon explained to me from higher water, to higher water with an extra rinse or really high with an extra rinse.

To agree with jon the bosch exxcels are also an excellent choice, my brother has a basic classix 1200 which from doing aload for him on the weekend i had noticed they'd improved on them from when i had a bosch.

The cycles are set standardly to be fast (about an hour and 5minutes). They have a ridiculously high level delicates and handwash programme. They are many jets in the dispenser so everything washes down. The option buttons are;

Washplus for your 2hour cycles for heavy soil.

Prewash

Reduced creasing-800rpm spin that takes about 20minutes with intermittent tumbling and pulse spinning.

Aqua plus- This was what i was most interested in. Aqua plus increases the water level and adds 2 rinses. Which is nice. I ran a cycle with this and i noticed they'd improved the intermittent spins, they accellerate a little quicker than they used too and i think they spin about 1000rpm. so 5 interm spins and rinses is a pretty good result at the end. The water level comes up to the seal. Different cycles make it higher.

It washes quite nicely on a standard cotton 40, It heats fairly fast, washes quitely with a nice tumble speed. The spin is quiet. The pump noise lets it down abit however i say that my brother does have 5 dogs their hair gets everywhere!

And of course on the exxel model you have the display with variable spins and temps with time remaining indicator!

I would say get another zanussi to you nick but i dont know how keen you would be too do that.


Hope this has helped.

Darren


Post# 189455 , Reply# 5   2/8/2007 at 06:39 (4,609 days old) by robm (Buxted)        
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Hi Nick

I think most things have been said here and I would definately go for a Miele if I was you. Ideal for the family and they are generally quiet.

Noise wise, I have to say the Bosch I have is very noisy. The motor really screeches and is very high pitched. Unfortunately there are not many induction motor machines anymore, apart from perhaps some of the Hotties. Not sure on the noise level of other machines.

Good luck with your search though

Rob


Post# 189542 , Reply# 6   2/8/2007 at 11:13 (4,609 days old) by cbosch ()        
bosch

I have a new bosch excel 6kg machine. Water plus makes for some good splashy washes although there is a display panel on this machine. 50 Degree option and the ability to spin easycare cycles at 1200 which is good as you get the best of water level and fast spin.
All in all a good workhorse and mine was only £400 therefore you could save some money and treat your self to a matching dryer aswell


Post# 189567 , Reply# 7   2/8/2007 at 13:41 (4,609 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Thanks, this is all really interesting!

I am becoming more interested in the Bosch - Darren, your description of a Classix doing the 5 high rinses with spins sounds great. Luke had eczema and I was confined to Persil nb tabs with him, so the next baby will likely be the same I guess. And cbosch, I LOVE the idea of having a no iron cycle with splashy stuff and the chance of a fast spin. You are so right about having a matching a tumble dryer too - the cheapest Miele dryer I can find is like £450, and to be brutally honest I have very little interest in tumble dryers. I do plan on buying one, my criteria is that it's vented (I'm so fed up with noisy, leaky condensers and dripping water everywhere when I change the thing. Oh, and... when you approach the dryer an hour later wanting to unload nice fluffy towels only to discover it ran for 10 minutes and then stopped, showing `empty water' GRRRRRR!!

We have a Bosch at school, maybe 3 years old, which is quite screachy on spin. Rob, tell me more about your Bosch and the noise and cbosch, do you find yours noisy?

Really appreciate all the input - thanks. Jon, that more expensive Miele would certainly be preferable but I've lived without those options this long so I'll just have to make to. Sophie has a kind of £500 cut off point, and TBH it's good of her to agree to a new machine at all when we don't really even need one I just fancy one ;-)

Nick

BTW Sorry I just can't consider a Hotpoint washer...they are not yet forgiven for the 2004 nightmare I had with them....


Post# 189569 , Reply# 8   2/8/2007 at 14:11 (4,609 days old) by lavamat_jon (-)        

Nick, from what I've seen on this thread it seems that the new Bosch machines maybe a safe bet then. You do have to be careful as some of the cheaper ones are Spanish made (I know the last Classixx series was, I'm not sure about the current Classixx range though), but from cbosch's and Darren's comments I think there wouldn't really be any issue with rinsing with the aqua plus button. You have to remember to take my experience with a pinch of salt, as my Bosch was a 2002/2003 model and the only real reason it was dumped was because the electronics were messed up from it being left out in the rain for a week thanks to some very courteous builders, as well as being shoved around without transit bolts. The only real trouble I ever had with it was the rinsing issue and the lack of a 50*C wash, which the new Exxcel machines have. Only other thing that annoyed me about it was the door lock where you had to wait 1 minute for it to unlock, but again that's a minor niggle.

I still feel the Miele is better for build quality & "smoothness" (if you get what I mean), but the Bosch we had never vibrated and wasn't too fussy with balancing either. Filled as the spins slowed down too, so a nice vintage touch there :-).

In terms of the extra programmes on the Miele, I have to say the only one I really do use is the Denim programme as it washes in an hour, with a deeper water level and quite vigorous & thorough washing action. Dark Garments is nice, basically a cottons programme with 40rpm tumbling and a medium wash level, but to be honest both programmes aren't anything I would miss and are only a bonus - and often out of laziness I just put jeans and darks in on a cottons 40 anyway. However if you were to purchase a Miele, what I'm trying to say is that with the W1512 you would get more features for the money as IIRC there is only £10 difference or so between the price of the Premier 520 and the W1512.

In terms of extra programmes actually, I believe the Bosch Exxcel machines have a lot of the extra programmes the Miele machines have. So you won't be missing out either way really. However the Bosch Exxcels sell for a similar price to the Miele 520, so the choice doesn't really get any easier! lol.

All the best,

Jon


Post# 189739 , Reply# 9   2/9/2007 at 04:25 (4,608 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Some of the special progs on the bosch exxcels are;

Sensitive-Which works a little bit like aqua plus with raised levels and prolongs the maximum wash temp and adds an extra rinse.

sports cycle-this ones about 30degrees i think

super quick- only 15 minutes...yikes.

mixed load!-Ahh reminds me of my hoover!

cottons stains plus- more vigerous than the normal cottons stains prog.

Darks prog-Raised wash and rinse levels to stop white deposits on seems etc of dark clothing.Reduced spins aswell.

and the usual- cottons, easycares,wool and delicate.

sounds like a fun model all in all. and comes in a 1200rpm model too if ya dont want a super fast model!

Darren



Post# 189760 , Reply# 10   2/9/2007 at 08:33 (4,608 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Thanks guys. Darren. Regarding the Bosch Excell, that machine can be got for a very reasonable £320ish from 123 electricals despite being on the Comet webby at £400. The 1400 spin is only a few quid more but I would actually prefer the slower one (strange though it may sound). The matching excell dryer is about £250. I'm very tempted!

I bought a Bosch in 1996 and it was a reasonable machine. I think it was a WFF2200. But it wasn't a great machine. Cottons wash program was one hour normal, 12 minutes with the short button pressed. I like a cottons wash to wash for about 25 mins. It would fill for a 40 degrees wash from the hotline only, then when it realised it was tumbling the clothes in 50-60 degree water panic and squirt some cold in. Errr...too late!! And what about enzyme activation? On the spins it would rev really slowly, then when it got to about 900 decide there was an imbalance, slow and start the whole damn procedure again. Furthermore it would bang sometimes. Frederiksam doesn't have an especially good opinion of Bosch / Siemens (more recent)....and my MIL has one which she doens't like because the detergent drawer goes black / mouldy very quickly for some reasons.

While I have plenty of `anti Bosch' ammunition, I don't have any `anti Miele'. But I am tempted by the models mentioned. One more complication is that we need a Fridge Freezer too. I'm a sucker for matching appliances so I'd quite like the Fridge Freezer, which will stand next to the washer, to match. Miele Fridge Freezers are quite pricey..., and I had a Bosch Fridge Freezer in my first flat, I abolsutely loved it!

No-one has mentioned the Electrolux Insight, would that be a contender? I hear it's quiet, and I also good things about Electrolux Fridge Freezers.




Post# 189768 , Reply# 11   2/9/2007 at 09:07 (4,608 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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On the phone last night to Seamus I mentioned I forgot to mention the Insight.

but then thats essentially a Zanussi like your currrent one. I liked my old ZWF 1440 which has the same control panel as the insight although the cycles have slightly changed. It was a great machine and washed amazingly, rinses were fab despite the machine only being rated for 49l water in a 6kg load.

TBH I feel its a Miele you want, again I agree about matching appliances which is one of the reasons I went all electrolux/zanussi last year apart from the Hotpoint Dishwasher but something tells me the current Zanussi line up incl AEG are only going to give around 5/8 years of use with a small family.

Mums Electrolux EWF 1107something circa 1992 (which was a step up from anything the TOL Zanussi had from the era ), I forgot the model number did great for a family of 5 doing long wash cycles daily for a good 8 years but then back in them days when you bought an expensive machine you got the moneys worth.

The thought you can pick up a 2 piece cabinet Zanni 1200 for around £200 puts me off slightly incase they use the same motor etc which lets face it they probably do now might not be as reliable.

you might shoot me for saying this but,

Why not go for a Servis fridge freezer in the real stainless steel variant not the crappy silver finish that look so common, and get the Miele to compliment the FF with its Chrome door.

Mums Servis Fridge is great and well worth a look at because its insides are Electrolux anyway.

This is the route id of prefered to see when Mum chose the LG over a Miele because it was the only half decent washer in total silver - shes clueless!
(not slating the silver door on the Insight, I feel they look better than the whole machine being a fake colour of which I find too obtrusive)

Sorry for rambling on, hope it helps though.

Nick

Link for the fridge pic.... halfway down thread. i think it look spretty good, and for a fridge that only cost £200 approx its very well designed. The FF IIRC retails around £400.


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Post# 189780 , Reply# 12   2/9/2007 at 10:54 (4,608 days old) by destroyer ()        
Electrolux Insight

Good Evening,

My thoughts on the new electrolux insight....

Pros:

-Large Capacity
-Good Wash Rhythm
-Large Load
-Very Quiet (however only with a large load)

Cons:

-Poor Rinsing (because of low water levels), if you are thinking of washing 8KG's of towels, think again, id say about max 5KG for towels because of rinse performance.
-Noisy with small loads
-Rubbish Water levels (with a medium/large load)
-The full programmes are long however "quick" is a bit too quick (2:30, quick: 1:15)
-No 50C temperature (only has cold, 30,40,60,90)
-Somewhat Expensive

Overall the machine is not too bad, though I wouldnt buy one myself, the rinse water levels are poor imho, and simply are not high enough to remove most of the detergent, especially if you over dose it. The water levels could also have been improved with the wash cycle however it does clean very well, and the motor has 3 different speed wash rhythms.

The jetsystem is the biggest peice of crap I have ever watched, it is worse than the old one infact as it only sprays over one section of clothes. They ought to remove the stupid feature and increase water levels a bit to compensate.

PS I notice on the website they claim the machine has a foam sensor, I have seen nothing of the such on my machine to suggest it does, it always does the usual 3 rinse for a cotton cycle no matter how much detergent and foam is in it.


Post# 189801 , Reply# 13   2/9/2007 at 13:45 (4,608 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
The Insight.....

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Works fine for me - use the quick option with extra rinse 90% of the time, clocks in around the 1hr 20 mark.

Having said that I dont tend to wash much bigger loads than I did in the 5kg Zwf1217w so the water level is IMHO fine, the extra rinse is a must tho!.

The lack of a 50 deg setting is a bit of a pain, but ive got used to it!.

Nick- if you have a Euronics Centre near you they may have or can get a Euronics exclusive 6kg 1200 RPM AEG. Should set ya back somewhere round the £400 mark WITH 5 YRS PARTS AND LABOUR GUARANTEE!!. In my opinion you couldnt do a lot better for the money :)

Seamus


Post# 189804 , Reply# 14   2/9/2007 at 13:55 (4,608 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
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The standard model- The Euronics version is pretty similar :)



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Post# 189809 , Reply# 15   2/9/2007 at 14:48 (4,608 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        

Hi there...

My thoughts on the Bosch range aren't good - they are relatively fast, but the rinsing is awful even with Aqua plus...for £500 I'd go with a Maytag 60 series (i.e. one of the ASKO machines). You'll get a spin speed slightly higher than your limit, but top notch construction (just avoid their bottom of the line model - got for the second one up with the door mounted on the chassis). Look around to buy online and you should find one at a good price

David


Post# 189913 , Reply# 16   2/10/2007 at 06:02 (4,607 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )        

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Hi Nick

Personally I'd say a Bosch would be a very good choice and worth the money, from my experience with the one I had, the Bosch Maxx which lasted 7 years with one repair which i thought was good, i'd happily have one myself if they've "ironed out" there little niggles e.g water levels, that was my only complaint with that washer, but seeing as though they've supposedly sorted that issue out, i'd imagine them to be great machines :)

However not to sound bias or anything, I'd also say that Zanussi's are proving to be good for the money, this one i have now, the ZWF1431, seems to live up to my needs, it uses plenty of water for rinses, and super rinse adds some extra water to the Cotton Rinses, so far im very pleased :)

Hope This Helps!! :)

Richard


Post# 189914 , Reply# 17   2/10/2007 at 06:27 (4,607 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()        

The new Servis 8KG washing machines are brilliant. They have a new drum but still has 4 paddles. There are two spin models, 1200 and 1400, but the 1400 spin model I believe is still under the £500 mark but the 7KG model has the same drum but for less money.

Servis is now one of the best for value for money.
Here is the link for servis.


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Post# 189915 , Reply# 18   2/10/2007 at 06:44 (4,607 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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i was actually tempted to buy one of those servis to try...though i'm sure it wouldnt out do the quartz i have i'm sure it'd be interesting. that 8kg drums massive!

Post# 189936 , Reply# 19   2/10/2007 at 09:18 (4,607 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I've always been happy with Mieles. I have two, a 1991 W715 which is my daily driver and a non-spinning toploader from 1967 (Automatic 400). I love the quality of the Mieles, no other brand comes even close. One warning though, if you are used to a Miele you will never want another brand again.

Post# 190525 , Reply# 20   2/12/2007 at 13:47 (4,605 days old) by islingtonsteve ()        

I have just got rid of my bosch Exceel 1400 and replaced it with the new hoover Vision HD1400. The bosch had terrible rinse performance and the final fast spin was crap. I've only had the new vision for a few days so have only run the A59min cotton wash - but i'm very pleased. It's a fast A standard wash that is completed in under an hour. The rinses are huge - with the water level coming half way up the door. It's quieter than the bosch (as Rob M said mine also had a very high pitched screetch to the spins) and the final spin is impressive with the clothes coming out much dryer than the bosch. I was also suprised how damn heavy it was compared to the bosch - Very early days - but I'm impressed!

Post# 190534 , Reply# 21   2/12/2007 at 14:47 (4,605 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Steve, can I ask how old your Bosch was please? I'm trying to work out whether the new ones are no good or just the ones from a few years ago. I'm aware the Bosches of 2002-2004 era had garbage rinsing and were had high pitched spins, what I'd really love to know is have they improved.....obviously if you're describing a current model the answer is `no'!!

As can be seen further up in this thread, we now seem able to get 5 rinses, high level rinses.....perhaps things have improved??



Post# 190790 , Reply# 22   2/13/2007 at 13:22 (4,604 days old) by cbosch ()        
bosch improvements

bosch have improved somewhat since 2000. The 2003 model which I have is rather crap at rinsing with enimic water levels and no way to improve them despite it being the top of the range model. However the 2006 model which I have aswell is much better. Aqua plus does not bad and there are more programmes like "sports wear " that provide high level rinsing and washing whilst still having high spin speeds. Further I find with the easy care cycle with aqua plus selected I can get a good splashy 60 degree wash and reasonable rinse with a 1200 spin.

Post# 191500 , Reply# 23   2/16/2007 at 09:36 (4,601 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Nick

Lots of nice options to look at and choose from...

The Miele would be a long term option, solid, reliable, & flexible programmes, and the work you`ve done with your Hotpoint certainly entitles you to aspire to a Miele!!!

I do like the AEG range, Jon from Brum, has the L86810 and I find it a great machine to use, the directa jet gives a great splashy action and the vented dryer is one of the best I have seen for capacity, style, and functionality...

I would promote the Maytag Asko as "The Best",(IMMPHO) its very functional with programmes, quiet on wash, not so quiet on spin but I like to hear that, it does high level washes but the rinses dont come up the door, just senses if it needs more to clear the sudz, 95d quick wash, 1600 spin in 1 hr 19m, contrary to popular belief, IF you need servicing its covered by own engineers and havnt heard any probs about delays etc...I wont reccomend this machine as I am quite happy being in the unique position as being the only one from the club owning one...LOL

Cheers, Mike


Post# 191509 , Reply# 24   2/16/2007 at 10:19 (4,601 days old) by lavamat_jon (-)        

Mike, great to hear about the engineers for Maytag, I've only heard that the service was quite patchy. Only thing is you're making me want a Maytag again and there really isn't enough room in my utility room :-).

(with the Maytag, I think I might have a Bosch Logixx 8, a Hotpoint Aquarius just for fun, and a square door Hoover to go with that).

Jon


Post# 192075 , Reply# 25   2/18/2007 at 13:12 (4,599 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Well, it's been narrowed down to a Bosch Loxixx 8 (£411) or a Miele Premier 520 (£472). The budget could go a little higher if need be but I don't really think it needs to. If I were to increase the budget it would be to get the cheapest Miele with induction motor for noise reasons (Jon, I forgot the model number you told me and the Miele literature I have doesn't tell me, which is the cheapest induction model again? Needs to be `old skool' no sloping fascia as going under a worktop...)

Went it to an independent appliance retailer in Chelmsford yesterday who suggested the Bosch were an infinitely better choice than the Miele because they are far more serviceable. I found that to be a surpising take on things......

Nick





Post# 192085 , Reply# 26   2/18/2007 at 13:46 (4,599 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Nick!
The logixx 8 is a really nice looking and interesting model! Huuuge drum too!That is surprizing that the independant retailer said the bosch are more serviceable! I hope you find a model that you will be happy with!

Darren


Post# 192107 , Reply# 27   2/18/2007 at 15:47 (4,599 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

I have just seen that the current TOL Hoover Vision VHD816i has an `invertor motor' - another quiet alternative?

Post# 192108 , Reply# 28   2/18/2007 at 15:51 (4,599 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Nick, I've heard good things about those visions! I had a six 1600rpm n tht was really quiet on 1600! I've heard they put in a hell of alot of water of 59min prog. and theirs the powerjet. I would definately consider it!

Darren


Post# 192110 , Reply# 29   2/18/2007 at 16:05 (4,599 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()        

Go for the vision it has a good write up!!!!

Post# 192182 , Reply# 30   2/18/2007 at 22:55 (4,599 days old) by islingtonsteve ()        

I've just bought the Hoover vision 1400 and it's a superb machine. Heaps of different wash rythems, the A 50 min wash has huge water level rinses and the spin is great. pretty quiet compared to the Bosch Excel machine I had ( I had thought about the 1600i model with the inverter motor , but I like to hear the spin cycle)All in All an awesome machine. GO for it...

Post# 192244 , Reply# 31   2/19/2007 at 08:18 (4,598 days old) by lavamat_jon (-)        

Nick,

The cheapest induction motor Miele have with the flat fascia is the W3922 which is the model mum has, retails from around £830 online. However my W2652 has the standard motor and while it is slightly louder, it is still virtually silent and the most noise you hear in the wash is the water sloshing about.

I've seen my friends Premier 520 going a few time before, and while it is definitely more audible than our Miele, it is quieter than his old AEG 74630, which itself was a quiet machine.

I can't say how difficult maintenance is between Bosch and Miele as I've never opened either one up inside, but I would imagine the dealer was telling you that simply because he probably gets more call-outs to the Bosch machines :-).

Jon


Post# 192270 , Reply# 32   2/19/2007 at 13:29 (4,598 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
I dont know about bosch

But Miele still has an independant chassis under the cabinet.

I had to have the top springs replaced on my 2515, and was amazed at how simple the process is now.

Two Screws remove the work top. Two Screws, remove the front panel (Which is hinged and swings open) 4 screws to remove each side panel.

So you end up with access to all of the components, without having to tip the machine up. I was amazed at the access they provide now, as with the previous models the cabinet/chassis was integral.

It's easy to get in there and replace parts, however be prepared once out of warranty, that if you need anything, it'll cost a small fortune.


Post# 194654 , Reply# 33   3/3/2007 at 13:57 (4,586 days old) by poster_child ()        

i suggest the MIELE PREMIER 520 from comet it looks really good what do you think MR wilson

Post# 194660 , Reply# 34   3/3/2007 at 14:35 (4,586 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Hi Lewis, welcome to the site. The people on this site are great, we're a really friendly bunch. I hope you enjoy hanging out here and thanks for the advice, I probably will go for the Miele.

Nick


Post# 194661 , Reply# 35   3/3/2007 at 14:51 (4,586 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
Say YAY for Miele!

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WOO HOO! Double Celebration........ Cracks open another bottle of Cab Sauv!

Well it is a Saturday night and im not working!

Nick


Post# 194663 , Reply# 36   3/3/2007 at 14:55 (4,586 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Servicability

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Hmm, he may have been right. Stop, hold on, put down those flames!
Look at it this way. The average Bosch needs repairing every eight years or so. Nothing big, but that is the average.
But it is rare indeed for a Miele built in the 1960's to fail, ever. Ones from the 1970's usually had a problem about the 20-22 year mark.
Same with the 80's.
So all this guy knows are the old porcelain cabinets, and yes, they were a pain to work on.
Go with the Miele. Forget the noise issue - neither the Hoover nor the Bosch nor the Miele is loud enough in any variation to be "loud".
The £61 difference is worth it.


Post# 194673 , Reply# 37   3/3/2007 at 15:30 (4,586 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Thanks for the input Panthera.

Nick - have a glass for me! No wine in the house tonight, am reduced to Malibu + Coke, feel like a teenager again!

How are you getting on with your other bottles of bubbly, I will go and get some as soon as it comes out. I'm hoping thecolour liquid will be a great pretreater to rival Ariel as it's double concentrated. Anyway, that's a different thread. Enjoy your Saturday night now and go easy on that wine, and here's some advice from past experience - if you're on the second bottle, it's not a good idea to go on the roof and adjust the TV aerial.

Nick


Post# 194677 , Reply# 38   3/3/2007 at 16:47 (4,586 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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LMAO

What can I say?

At the end of the 1st bottle if im truthful but earlier I was prepared to go out and get another one, now I cant be arsed.

Now its Gin and Tonic (bombay sapphire) so slightly more sophisticated I guess, teenager drinking sessions for me used to be K Cider and 20/20 no doubt the reason why I depend upon spectacles to see clearly...........

Ive got no washing to do but the Persil S&M got me thru a washday no probs.
I cant help but feel there should be a version for those kinky PVC catsuits called Persil BD s and ..........

Oh dear

Nick





Post# 194888 , Reply# 39   3/4/2007 at 15:57 (4,585 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Woooooooo Lewis!!! Welcome to the site.. someone else from Essex!

Yer, go for a Miele Nick, mines great! You can always come round and see mine if you wanna try before you buy!!! :o)


Post# 194904 , Reply# 40   3/4/2007 at 18:38 (4,585 days old) by brit ()        

the ISE branded machine might be worth a look as it looks like its a machine recommended by repairmen

CLICK HERE TO GO TO brit's LINK


Post# 194905 , Reply# 41   3/4/2007 at 18:40 (4,585 days old) by brit ()        

a review of the machine in the link below

CLICK HERE TO GO TO brit's LINK


Post# 194906 , Reply# 42   3/4/2007 at 18:41 (4,585 days old) by brit ()        

and the concept behind ISE machines in the link below


in 100% honesty when the ariston we have dies (ironically its a damn good machine and never given us any problems) i am considering an ISE machine


CLICK HERE TO GO TO brit's LINK


Post# 194913 , Reply# 43   3/4/2007 at 19:03 (4,585 days old) by lavamat_jon (-)        

I can't belive that they're trying to sell a Beko machine for £500... plain craziness!

In my eyes it's only recommended because it's easily repairable, not because of durability... looks to be some sort of scheme to make more money for the repairmen in all honesty :-).

Jon


Post# 194994 , Reply# 44   3/5/2007 at 03:01 (4,584 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Hmmmmm

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We do a 1200rpm AEG for £369 inc 5 year P&L delivery and installation!

As Jon said its def a Beko lol

Seamus


Post# 194997 , Reply# 45   3/5/2007 at 03:48 (4,584 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Il second that, Ive known about this machine for a while, from of course washerhelp.com and if it really is as repairable as they make it out to be then all the Beko machines will be, so save yorself £300 and just go with a Beko.

Welcome the the club Brit and Posterchild, enjoy your stay.

Nick


Post# 195006 , Reply# 46   3/5/2007 at 06:26 (4,584 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I saw this machine a while ago and wasn't impressed at the price of it. Which? just recently tested it and rated it pretty well - but no higher than the equivalent Beko machines which were £200-250 cheaper. So, what's the point of buying one? There isn't one really in my opinion, but no doubt some people will because they won't know any better.

ISE CI555WH

ISE (International Service Engineering) entered the crowded washing machine market in 2006 with this 1500 rpm spin speed.

The company was foundered by a group of ex-washing machine service engineers when they got fed up with repairing the machines.

This model isnít a bad first attempt and only just falls short of being a Best Buy. Thereís a respectable choice of programs including a delay start function which allows to you take advantage of cheaper electricity tariffs such as Economy 7 at night.

Cleaning is good on the standard 40 degrees and easy care cycles and the short wash is excellent. The short wash is nearly 1 hour 10 minutes quicker than the standard program. On the easy care and short wash programs rinsing was satisfactory. However we found the on main 40 degree cycle rinsing was a let down.

Running costs are low due to good energy and water use, but itís noisier than a lot of other models weíve tested. At the moment we donít have enough information on ISE to make a judgement on their long-term reliability, but ISE provide a free five-year warranty for parts and labour which is better than many other manufacturers

Pros: Good cleaning, excellent short wash, free five-year warranty, delay start

Cons: Noisy, poor rinsing on standard 40 degree program





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