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Post# 190865   2/13/2007 at 20:03 (4,481 days old) by bleacho ()        

just purchased this machine, replacing a new bosch purchased a year ago... was not happy with the bosch at all... inside always had a terrible odor, and never really washed well as everyone expressed...
just got installed this new kenmore elite double drawer.. decided on this one.. i am told it is not made by fisher & paykel- reviews i read on f&P were dismal.. this new elite is awrsome.. quiet, very efficient,, and chimes when it done,, really pleased with the purchase.. and very recommended...


Post# 190874 , Reply# 1   2/13/2007 at 20:42 (4,481 days old) by retromom ()        
Kenmore Dish Drawers...

I am so jealous!! I have a Bosch as well; and as mentioned on a previous thread, am not totally happy with it. I'd love to replace it with those dish drawers.

When I saw these Kenmore dish drawers, I was impressed. Which finish did you get? A chime upon cycle completion? How fun! Show us some pics, if you can!

Congrats -
you're one of the first people I know to own them!!


Post# 190883 , Reply# 2   2/13/2007 at 21:58 (4,480 days old) by bobbyd32l ()        

The Kenmore Draw is not made by F&P!!

Its manufactured by Maytag, as they where going to introduce one before the take over... Whirlpool thought it best if Kenmore got it instead!!

I have sold 2 of them and both people love them! They got the 13343 model which is the better of the two, with the spin action spray bar, anti-bacterial wash, and better sound insulation! I hope that you like it!

Keep us posted on it!


Post# 190902 , Reply# 3   2/13/2007 at 23:08 (4,480 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

I saw it too, at Sears....it really does look beautiful and has serious "thunk" factor (it sounds solid when you tap the surfaces)....

Is it American-made? I couldn't locate the serial plate, and the sales staff were beginning to watch my contortions a little strangely, LOL!


Post# 190907 , Reply# 4   2/13/2007 at 23:21 (4,480 days old) by khodabear ()        

We have an F & P drawer. We put a single drawer unit in our main island as a "small load" machine. We put our Kitchen Aid full size DW in the pantry for big loads and large meals.

In the 4 years we've had this set-up we've never used the Kitchen Aid. The F&P single drawer and a bit of hand wash has been all we've ever needed even after dinner parties of 8 people.

The only problem we've had with the F&P is with one of the top swing down shelves which suffered a broken hinge clip.

I recommend F&P - although I haven't seen the Kenmorw - without hesitation.

Peter
YMMV
in Denver


Post# 190913 , Reply# 5   2/14/2007 at 00:30 (4,480 days old) by exploder3211 ()        

I want one, but i would have to get a double drawer to fit in the kitchen

Post# 190979 , Reply# 6   2/14/2007 at 11:08 (4,480 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I have the FisherPaykel Dishdrawer and while it does a good job washing it certainly isnt for someone who cooks and entertains. I too looked at the new Kenmore dishdrawers and liked what I saw but the racking is from side to side not back to front like mine is.
Whirlpool outsourced this dishwasher to F&P and they made it in a collaboration between the two. I couldnt imagine Maytag during its death throws even putting the money into a dishdrawer machine even with patents belonging to F&P for this design.
I will have to admit I did get a bit moist when I saw the Kenmores at Sears and picked up the booklet for it. But having said that I wouldnt bother. My F&P dishwasher isnt holding up as well and I have a piece that broke off..the drain filter cover and it is warping. It also stops the wash arm if I dont have the silverware basket on top of it to keep it stable during the wash cycle.
The other thing is with the lid that comes down to lock together to the drawer to keep it water tight. Sometimes it doesnt come down and imagine when it was running with water running down the sides and onto the floor. I had to stop the dishwasher and it reset itself and closed the lid. I am looking forward to this thing dying and I think if I had to do it all over again I would have spent the 1500 bucks on a Miele dishwasher. At least I know I wouldnt have to worry about the machine dying a premature death with a Miele.


Post# 191030 , Reply# 7   2/14/2007 at 15:37 (4,480 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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nmaineman36, my understanding is that F&P has *nothing* to do with the Kenmore drawers, Maytag did develop it independently, started before the sale to Whirlpool. Other than being drawers, the mechanism is a complete redesign. It does not use F&P's SmartDrive variable-speed reversible motor, the lid mechanism is different, etc.

You can order DishDrawer parts from F&P directly, or from Sears Parts online at http://www3.sears.com. However, something is wonky with Sears database and F&P model numbers sometimes aren't recognized. Keep trying until it works.

I had the same thing happen with my DishDrawer. One of the filter covers cracked and tended to sag down, blocking the wash arm. I took it off in the interim, being as it really isn't needed with the silverware basket in place. When I had opportunity, I called F&P, they sent a replacement at no charge after confirming my serial number ... may have been just a few months past the two-year warranty period.

There is a redesigned lid motor available now, which runs quieter. A pair of lid motors from Sears was about $64 last time I looked.

My DD603 is now past four years old (purchased in summer of 2002 IIRC), and never any trouble with it beyond the cracked filter cover.


Post# 191038 , Reply# 8   2/14/2007 at 15:50 (4,480 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

I've seen a KitchenAid double drawer dishwasher out too. Do any of the models have a stainless steel interior?

Post# 191041 , Reply# 9   2/14/2007 at 15:53 (4,480 days old) by mobilemaid ()        

I'm a new member, and have owned a F&P double drawer for almost 2 years. I've never had problems and it cleans quite well. I entertain often and one or both drawers run every single day, if not more frequent. I have read reviews on other sites of this brand, and it seems like there are lots of people who have gotten "lemons". Guess I am lucky (at least for now?)

Shawn


Post# 191056 , Reply# 10   2/14/2007 at 16:42 (4,480 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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KitchenAid drawers ARE sourced from F&P. They are also available under the DCS label. The F&P-made units do not have stainless steel interiors.

Post# 191059 , Reply# 11   2/14/2007 at 16:48 (4,480 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I should clarify that the cracked filter cover in my case was due to an incident of loading the insert from my crock pot such that it was pressing against the cover. I also have a habit of loading large items such as platters and pans supported atop the silverware basket and/or handle.

Post# 191172 , Reply# 12   2/15/2007 at 06:16 (4,479 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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The major problem with every imported dishwasher is that they don't come with a built in disposer(The LGs are the only ones that do.)Instead,they have a filter that needs to be cleaned every time you unload them.If not,they can get real rancid from the spoiled food particles they hold.as far as Maytag working on a dishwasher project prior to take over is concerned,I can't fathum how Maytag being in the financial dissorder they were due to faulty Neptunes and refrigerators D.O.A.(dead on arival)could have afforded to have any projects of any kind going on other than replacement/service on their failiers.

Post# 191183 , Reply# 13   2/15/2007 at 07:31 (4,479 days old) by spiceman1957 ()        
Re: Kenore elite double drawer D/W

Hi Steve,

I just noticed your thread. I am planning on replacing my
old D/W (Whirpool) with either a Magtag or this type of D/W
I have seen the KitchenAid types at Lowes and love this style.
My question is:
1: Will this new type fit where the old one does. Do I have
remove any counters. It look like the same size as a
standard one.
2. Any special plumbing required.
3. Can you run each unit separate or do they have to run to
gether. Thanks and enjoy you new purchase

John


Post# 191217 , Reply# 14   2/15/2007 at 10:07 (4,479 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
Very nice!

When my Bosch dies, I will be getting one of those Kenmore dish drawers. That would look fabulous in my kitchen!

Post# 191222 , Reply# 15   2/15/2007 at 13:17 (4,479 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
No need to clean the filter each time

Hi Laundromat,

My Miele and most Aussie machines only need the filter cleaned every other month, unless you dont scrape at all.

I scrape the plates with a knife into the garbage disposal (Just a quick shake and a swipe) as I load and put them in, and I'm lucky to find anything in the filter when I bother to check every other month. Even such things as potato burnt onto a baking dish, washes off and down the drain.

Stuff like peas, corn, potato, bits of meat etc all get washed down the drain without any issues.

I've never had any smell or any issues at all. Have you used a dishwasher with a manual clean filter, or are you making assumptions.

It might sound like an important feature that is missing, but its one less thing to ever go wrong.

Nathan


Post# 191245 , Reply# 16   2/15/2007 at 14:12 (4,479 days old) by tlee618 ()        

I have to agree with Nathan, my nephew and family have the Bosch dishwasher. They do scrape large pieces of food from plates but do not pre-rinse. I have never seen anything in the filter. He has also said that whenever they check it is always clean.

Post# 191265 , Reply# 17   2/15/2007 at 15:25 (4,479 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Same here.. had the Miele for 6 odd years and there was no need to clean it everyday. When you did it took about 30 seconds tops. Pop it out, rinse and pop it back in.

Post# 191277 , Reply# 18   2/15/2007 at 15:53 (4,479 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
The other important factor with a proper filter

Is that you never get nibblets stuck on anything or in the bottom of cups. Because they're not recirculated in the tub, they cant get stuck to anything.

Post# 191344 , Reply# 19   2/15/2007 at 19:55 (4,479 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        
Clean Filter After Each Load?

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I have cleaned my DishDrawer's filter plates TWICE in four years ... and I've certainly used it more than just twice in that time period!

Post# 191444 , Reply# 20   2/16/2007 at 01:27 (4,478 days old) by agiflow ()        

Too bad our washers over here don't have filters you can clean by hand anymore.

Post# 191463 , Reply# 21   2/16/2007 at 06:30 (4,478 days old) by retromom ()        
No offense to Bob (Appnut) but....

Since I pre-rinse my dishes, I don't have any filter problems. However, I do clean the filter about once every month.

I wish more dishwashers had built-in food disposals though.


Post# 191510 , Reply# 22   2/16/2007 at 10:22 (4,478 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Macerators are noisy buggers, hence the quietness of European dishwashers as they dispense with food grinders. Suppose more or better sound proofing material would help, but designers choose to go another way.

L.


Post# 191550 , Reply# 23   2/16/2007 at 12:18 (4,478 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Venus,

What on earth does a prerinser need a fooddisposer in a dishwasher for? LOL


Post# 191551 , Reply# 24   2/16/2007 at 12:21 (4,478 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        
BTW

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I've asked this before, but will try again. Does anyone have the Maxine drawing about prerinsing?

Post# 191616 , Reply# 25   2/16/2007 at 17:18 (4,478 days old) by retromom ()        

Louis....

It's the old Catch-22...if I had a food disposer, I wouldn't feel the need to rinse!! Someone help me break this vicious cycle!! LOL


Post# 191618 , Reply# 26   2/16/2007 at 17:24 (4,478 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        
Time for a little cross-examination...

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So Venus, did you ever have a dishwasher with a macerator? And did you prerinse then? LOL

Post# 191622 , Reply# 27   2/16/2007 at 17:45 (4,478 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I took pics last night of a HUGH JASS BobLoad® in my DishDrawer. Hopefully will post them soon.

Post# 191623 , Reply# 28   2/16/2007 at 17:46 (4,478 days old) by retromom ()        
No Louis.....

..it was my poor, deprived childhood when I grew up with no dishwasher and no garbage disposal! I'm so used to making sure that there is nothing left on the plates that they are just about ready to reuse as is!! Where is Dr. Phil when I need him? LOL

Post# 191663 , Reply# 29   2/16/2007 at 19:53 (4,478 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Venus, Gasnky didn't prerinse when he had his Asko. He has told me he RARELY EVER found anything in the filter for that dishwasher and I know he puts ome erally disgusting things taht have been practically blow torched on.

Glenn, no disrespect, but the load(s) I did at your house at the wash-in, everything was wiped down so thoroughly before putting the the drawers, there wasn't hardly any food particles that I noticed. Just largely residue. Didn't get to just throw that rice pan & frijoles pan right in there.


Post# 191772 , Reply# 30   2/16/2007 at 23:45 (4,477 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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On night while dealing with yet another sink full of dishes, ask MaMa why we didn't have a dishwasher. Reply came quickly, "I have a dishwasher. You!"

Moral of this story is oen should pay particular attention to sentence structure. Query should have been worded " why don't we have an AUTOMATIC dishwasher. *LOL*

Just as an aside, tried the same line on one of my grandmothers, especially since she was having her kitchen redone, the response was the same but a bit more expanded as she has a housefull of grand-children to put into service at any given time. The smart ones soon learned to get their food down and bolt from the table! *LOL*

L.

L.


Post# 191819 , Reply# 31   2/17/2007 at 03:45 (4,477 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Oh my goodness! And in those days it was still more a task for girls than for boys to do the dishes? So many deprived childhoods here! LOL

Ducking an running...


Post# 192034 , Reply# 32   2/18/2007 at 09:35 (4,476 days old) by bleacho ()        
john, it fits...

in the same area as a standard dishwasher.. and yes you can use them independently of each other... nothing special in installation but i was charges 208 dollars instead of 130 for installation.. they said it was its because its two dishwashers.that was ridiculous, but nevertheless had to pay.. im pleased so far..




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