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Post# 193316   2/24/2007 at 18:13 (4,593 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        

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I live in a house with a Norgetag washer and aside from its lackluster performance it has a new problem. It has developed a rythmic squeak. It squeaks with each turn of the agitator in both wash and rinse. It does not squeak durning drain and spin. The squeaking is getting worse and I want to know what kind of trouble I am facing. Should I run the machine until it is completely dead than chuck it, or is it repairable. I do not own the machine, my landlord does, but if it is on the brink of death (please, oh please, oh please), I would like to replace it with my newly acquired A208.

Maytag (yeah, right!) model: sav515deww
Serial number: 14894425gn

Don't send an illegitimate preschooler to do a man's work,
Dave


Post# 193327 , Reply# 1   2/24/2007 at 19:17 (4,593 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

The SAV models have been notorious for leaky tub seals. They also chew through belts. The squeaking could be a bad belt; not the easiest to replace. Run it until it starts to leak, which is why they ceased production of them. Very problematic design since Maytag bought Amana. They were produced in Searcy Arkansas. I think Whirlpool has sold the plant, since all laundry will be produced in a W/P facilty.

Post# 193328 , Reply# 2   2/24/2007 at 19:23 (4,593 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Bad belts?

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Anyone know how old my washer is? I think it's relatively new and I can't believe it could chew through a belt this soon. Well, I do believe it, but I am absolutely disgusted by it. Maytag fell from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows, and possibly Lowe's.

Squeaky, but not clean,
Dave


Post# 193333 , Reply# 3   2/24/2007 at 19:51 (4,593 days old) by westytoploader ()        

If it was a Norgetag, it would look and feel cheap but still do the job. Your machine, however, isn't a Norgetag but an SAV-series Amanatag which is even WORSE! These will definitely go down in appliance history as the biggest pieces of s**t ever made. I wouldn't be surprised if one day the seal gives out and it decides to dump all of its water on the floor during a cycle.

Horrible machines, just horrible!

--Austin


Post# 193334 , Reply# 4   2/24/2007 at 19:58 (4,593 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
So it's an Amanatag?

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I'm sure there are worse performing washers, like the GEs of the last decade or so. Is the squeaking caused by belts if it's an Amanatag, or hopefully something worse? Could the squeaking be the sign of an impending flood? I think the machine is still covered by some kind of warranty, so Maytag isn't off of the trainwreck yet. It just keeps going and going and going...

It's like watching an endless pileup forming in the fog on the Interstate,
Dave


Post# 193364 , Reply# 5   2/25/2007 at 00:59 (4,592 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Oh no, not an Amanatag!

Since you have a Maytag A208 at the ready, I would ask the landlord to allow you to replace your Amanatag. Knowing how landlords think, he probably already has a place in mind for it.
Maybe he could use it in his own place and have the water come pouring out of it all over his floors! Maybe it would just decide to dump stinky oil all over his floors. Hmph!


Post# 193494 , Reply# 6   2/25/2007 at 15:40 (4,592 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Still, the problem is unknown.

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I do not know how the Amanatags differ, mechanicaly, from the Norgetags. Apparently the Norgetags are known for eating belts which are difficult to replace. Are Amanatags known for the same thing? My Amanatag is squeaking with each stroke of the agitator, and if anyone out there knows why, I would love to pass it on to my landlord. If the squeaking is a sign of an impending tsunami, I would like to let my landlord know before it happens so I am not held responsible. I have been treated quite well by my landlord and would like to head off a disaster so my 100 year old rented home is not damaged, and I can continue to have a good landlord-tennant relationship with the man who owns my home.

Thanks for all of your input, it has been really helpful,
Dave


Post# 193501 , Reply# 7   2/25/2007 at 15:58 (4,592 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Your SAV model is an Amanatag....known for tub seal failure and eating belts. The water leak will start slow, you may not notice right away, but will get worse. You can take off the lower half panel to have a look. It is held by 2 5/16 screws. The squeaking belt could be because it is getting wet or just stretched out. Slow spinning is also a sign of a stretched belt.

Post# 193514 , Reply# 8   2/25/2007 at 16:55 (4,592 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Landlord...

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There is one problem I can foresee with your plan to use tha A208. As long as you're using the Norgetag that belongs to him, he is ultimately responsible for whatever it does to his property, unless he can prove neglect or abuse of the machine on your part. If you're using your own machine, then you will have some responsibility if it misbehaves and damages the place.

I'm not trying to throw cold water on your plans (Lord knows I'm enjoying my LA108), but it's something to consider.


Post# 193528 , Reply# 9   2/25/2007 at 17:31 (4,592 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
What is less likely to dump its water?

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Whatever happens, I would just like to know what is going on and if I should plan for the worst. I am washing in the Amanatag right now and I can hear it squeaking all the way across the house. As I said before, the house is about 100 years old. It has wood floors and the laundry room is on the second floor. If the machine dumps its water, the water will travel down through the house and flood my roommate's bedroom below it. A flood would cause major damage to the house and my roommate's things. If my A208, even though it is older, is less likely to cause disaster, I would rather use it and prevent a huge mess and lots of damage.

Squeak, squeak, squeak,
Dave


Post# 193544 , Reply# 10   2/25/2007 at 17:47 (4,592 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
The Maytag (the real one)

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Is safer...these Amanananatags always fail catastrophically.
Always. Just a question of time.
I would do the following.
Go to homo depot and get three things.
One, a big square pan to put under the machine. They usually have them in the appliance department, but if not they are always somewhere in the store. Will catch and hold nearly a tub full.
Two, pick up two braided steel neoprene washer hoses. Don't cost the world and won't burst or flood. The ones with the built in pressure stop are a pain in the neck - but in your situation a very good idea. Between the pan for slow drips and the pressure stop for bursts or big leaks...you have the worst covered.
Three.
While you are there, pick up a water alarm. Battery powered, they are cheap and scream bloody hell at the first 1/8 inch of water in the pan. Not the first drops or the occasional puddle, but only when there is a real problem - just when it is beginning.
With these three things, I do believe you can wait out the Amananantag until it dies (should only be a few weeks tops, from the sound of it...) and then when you put in your beautiful real Maytag, you can feel comfortable knowing if something happens, the house won't suffer for it.


Post# 193572 , Reply# 11   2/25/2007 at 18:34 (4,592 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
I Agree

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I absolutely agree that a real Maytag is less likely to fail catastrophically than an Amanatag- it was only the question of responsibility that I wanted to point out. Panthera's suggestions are good ones. I've mulled over the possibility of a drip pan myself, but like almost everything, they have a downside. The lip around the top edge of the pan prevents you from placing the washer right up against the dryer- they have to be about an inch or so apart. Not good in tight spaces. If anyone knows of a drip pan designed to allow the washer to be placed jam up against the dryer, I'd love to know about it.

Post# 193578 , Reply# 12   2/25/2007 at 18:58 (4,592 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
An update.

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Danemodsandy,
You are absolutely right in bringing up liability and I think that any one of us in a similar situation would be wise to get permission from their landlord BEFORE changing appliances that belong to them. Also, renter's insurance is relatively inexpensive and can come in quite handy if the worst does happen.
I met with my landlord this afternoon and discussed the washing machine. Awhile ago I found an extended warranty form for the machine and I gave it to him today. It is a GE service contract (what fun!) and it was filled out to a former tennant. We'll see what happens when my landlord calls for service this coming week. If it can be fixed for free, I will be sad because my A208 will continue to sit in storage without exercise or love. If they offer money toward a replacement machine, I will ask my landlord to keep the money and allow me to use my real Maytag. If my landlord insists on buying a new machine, I will do my best to encourage him to buy a Maytag Dependable Care while he still can. He bought the Amanatag thinking it was a real Maytag and thought it would be best for a rental so he wouldn't have to worry about servicing it too often.

The death of Maytag is like watching a wise and highly respected family member dying painfully in a hospital. You see them open their mouth to speak their last words and, expecting something eloquent and profound, they instead let out a monsterous belch before expiring.

Oh Maytag, What have you done!?
Dave


Post# 193606 , Reply# 13   2/25/2007 at 21:07 (4,592 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Dave:

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"The death of Maytag is like watching a wise and highly respected family member dying painfully in a hospital. You see them open their mouth to speak their last words and, expecting something eloquent and profound, they instead let out a monsterous belch before expiring."

What I heard was the wrong end for a belch....


Post# 193648 , Reply# 14   2/26/2007 at 01:36 (4,591 days old) by norgeman ()        
Re: Volvoguy87

I have a friend that has an Amanatag washer and it developed a squeak during the wash and rinse agitation it turned out to be a finishing nail in the pump. Do you do a lot of construction or things with finishing or paneling nails and put them into your pockets and forget there in there and one may have fallen out and through the wholes in the wash basket and got lodged in the pump? Please check this out as it would be a very inexpensive repair. Good luck and thanks for listening. Danf.

Post# 193679 , Reply# 15   2/26/2007 at 09:49 (4,591 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Pump?

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Thanks for the tip and, although I work in historic preservation, I am an office jockey and do no physical work on the jobsite. I think I will contact my landlord and ask permission to open up the front kick panel though and see what's going on inside. If it is something simple, that would be great but that still does not help the reputation of my machine. Dumping water from a second-floor laundry room in a historic house is just a whole world of bad.
The squeak started quite some time ago and it would only squeak every once in a while. Over time the squeaking has become regular, becoming especially bad in the past 2 weeks or so.

Thanks a bunch,
Dave


Post# 193734 , Reply# 16   2/26/2007 at 14:05 (4,591 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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This model of washer is known for a broken weld on the milkstool. The milkstool is that big silver piece that the bearing, tranny, etc are mounted in & that the tub "rides" atop of. We've run into quite a few of these that would act as you describe. It also could be a belt pulley or idler pulley, but I'd definitely check the milkstool.

Post# 193805 , Reply# 17   2/26/2007 at 19:46 (4,591 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        
That is exactly what the Division appliance people said(form

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They were fabulous when I asked them about this.They know their stuff. It is the milk stool design, and possbly the worst piece ot Sh** that Maytag ever made. She also said that they did chew through the belts quite frequently and leak. She called them a disaster and another nail in the coffin.

Post# 193856 , Reply# 18   2/26/2007 at 23:03 (4,591 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Maytag was circling the drain (Ha! A Whirlpool ;-) for a long time but all in all, Whirlpool won't have a long-term headache with the washers. Norge/Tragic Chef/Admiral/Amana parts sales won't even be able to support volume production numbers within a few short years especially since most of the unfortunate victims of these ghastly washers will chuck them and buy new. Since the odds are about two out of three that they'll end up with a Whirlpool made washer, guess who wins?

Post# 193883 , Reply# 19   2/27/2007 at 05:13 (4,590 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
ick -

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And there are folks here who get upset when I say Maytag's managers should be shot with sh** and hung for stinkin.
Would you mind taking a few pictures once you have the cover off? I'd be interested in seeing just what is going on in the mechanism.
Thanks!


Post# 193890 , Reply# 20   2/27/2007 at 06:17 (4,590 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Milkstool

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Is this what you are talking about?????

Post# 193914 , Reply# 21   2/27/2007 at 08:51 (4,590 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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Yup. If you look on each side of the motor, you'll see silver uprights. There are more around each side. The welds where the uprights meet the top of the stool can break. That's the easiest way to describe everything.

Post# 193936 , Reply# 22   2/27/2007 at 11:12 (4,590 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Maytag and Youtube

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Part I





Part II






Post# 193938 , Reply# 23   2/27/2007 at 11:24 (4,590 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Those clips raise the question:

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Why on earth did Whirlpool buy them? I'd think the best advertising Whirlpool could have had was to have Maytag stay in business - heck, even I would rather buy a Whirlpool product than one of the those monsters.
Gah.
Kinda sums up everything which is wrong with the modern consumer goods world - and not just in the US, we have similar crap here in Europe.


Post# 193959 , Reply# 24   2/27/2007 at 14:28 (4,590 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Retro Fitting at its worst!

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From everything i have read about these designs, it would appear trying to retro-fit somebody else's design to suit your own is going to end up a disaster...just like here. It's pretty bad that a machine (especially one that has the Maytag name attached to it) should fail within a year...such a waste. You have to also wonder what the h#ll were the engineers thinking?? Bl##dy incompetence!

Thank god we never experienced these machines here in Oz. It will be interesting to see how long it will be before we get the new Whirlpool designs considering Australia has always been about 18 months behind the US with new product....maybe they'll keep sending us the Performa and Atlantis washers until they sell out!!!

Leon


Post# 193973 , Reply# 25   2/27/2007 at 16:22 (4,590 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Engineers...

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"It's pretty bad that a machine (especially one that has the Maytag name attached to it) should fail within a year...such a waste. You have to also wonder what the h#ll were the engineers thinking?? Bl##dy incompetence!"

Had to chime in here, because I'm a design and architecture writer, and this touches on some matters very close to the bone with me...

While engineering mistakes are certainly being made- with every kind of consumer product- it's not entirely fair to blame the engineers. Engineers, like everyone else, are hired to work under conditions defined by their employers. If the honchos at Maytag- or any other company- don't want to pay for sufficient research & development, prototyping, testing, etc., then all that engineers can do is to give the situation their most educated guess and hope for the best. Nowadays, with so much pressure to keep up stock prices, companies want the lowest possible costs and the highest possible yields. Typically, a company's brass will tell Engineering that it wants such-and-such a product, made to sell at such-and-such a price point, with such-and-such features, ready to roll by such-and-such a date. Engineering may protest that one or more or ALL those parametres are undoable, but as we all know from our own workplace experiences, bosses seldom listen to such advice. That means that you do what you have to do to make the boss happy and keep your job. Sometimes it all turns out okay, sometimes not.

There is a tremendous amount of "fast-tracking" going on in today's manufacturing world, with computerised CAD software being used to design parts and check them for fit and function before they're ever produced. That's good as far as it goes, but the computer does not yet live that can predict the effect of detergent and bleach and heat on a particular kind of plastic, over time. There are plenty of other, similar situations.

Even sadder, a company's engineers are not always its employees, not any more. Independent contractors are sometimes used to lower costs. That means no one's around to take responsibility when things go wrong, and it means that sometimes engineers don't have that responsibility in mind as they design.

It's also possible for things to be changed once they're out of Engineering's hands. A product's specs may call for three tack welds in a component, and somebody in Assembly may get the bright idea that two will do the job. That sits well with front-office brass, who would rather pay for two welds instead of three, so the change gets approved. Engineering never hears about it in time to do anything about it, and even if they did, it would take multiple meetings and a lot of politicking to get things changed back, unless those two sorry tack welds failed immediately, which they probably won't. Or someone gets the idea that everyone on the assembly line must work more "efficiently", which in the real world, usually means faster. Line workers may not get the time to do the best possible job of tack-welding, even if the number specified by Engineering is adhered to.

Worst of all, so many components are outsourced today that really meticulous quality control is next to impossible. You may design a really good control board, but what if the supplier cuts corners in his own manufacturing process? What if he shows you a high-quality agitator made of polycarbonate, then sneakily delivers one made of a cheaper plastic that won't hold up? And nowadays, if something goes wrong, the supplier may well be half a world away.

So, engineers are certainly key, but it's the suits in the front offices who are largely to blame. They want their stock price propped up in every way possible, so they don't spend the money it really takes to do things right. Case in point: the Maytag Neptune. That wasn't actually a horrendous design- it has been corrected and refined to the point that it CAN be reliable. But it should have been reliable from the get-go, by prototyping and real-world testing that would have quickly shown up the flaws in the wax motor, control board, and boot. Maytag's honchos evidently wanted a new product NOW, and didn't allow for such care in the design process. In the event, severe problems showed up in Neppies within a year- the amount of time that should have been devoted to accelerated-wear testing.

So, it's just like your job- your boss doesn't give you enough time and resources to do things right, and neither do the bosses of today's engineers, trust me. I would personally like to see companies' stock prices tied to a lot more than just the financial performance of a few prior quarters. I'd like to see investors check for product reliability, integrity in the process of sourcing components, environmental impact of the manufacturing process and the product itself, and integrity in the design and testing process. There are a whole lot of companies whose stocks would be a lot less attractive if all those matters were considered.



Post# 193975 , Reply# 26   2/27/2007 at 16:42 (4,590 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Engineers

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Hi Sandy,

Sorry if i offended, i did not mean to. I certainly see your point. We are not to know what went on behind the scenes i suppose. Certainly a lot is outsourced and contracted these days which certainly doesn't help.

I can only imagine they (the engineers) were pressured greatly to retro-fit a design in short space of time.

Leon



Post# 193979 , Reply# 27   2/27/2007 at 17:05 (4,590 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
No Offence Taken!

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Leon:

I'm far from offended- I just wanted to point out that engineers often get a bum rap nowadays. After all, engineers are trained to do things from the standpoint of reliability- if matters were up to them, we'd probably still be looking at bronze bearings, mechanical timers, porcelain tops and tubs, and so on.

I meant only to point out that there are so many marketplace pressures nowadays that it is next to impossible for companies to do things the old way and stay in business. One of the biggest pressures is price; discounters and foreign competition see to it that prices are being driven ever lower, in constant dollars. Once upon a time (say the later 1960s), a washing machine of decent quality was around $200. Today, a BOL machine can still be purchased at that price, even though the dollar is worth far less now- that $200 machine of 1967 SHOULD cost around $1200 today. Price pressure has seen to it that the quality of the 1967 machine is no longer available- we now have plastic tubs, painted cabinets, cheaper timers, and on and on and on.

So, it's a lot of factors, not just engineers, and one of the biggest factors is the price you and I are willing to pay. I freely confess that I do not know what the solution is here, either.


Post# 194019 , Reply# 28   2/27/2007 at 20:30 (4,590 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I just saw there is plenty of information about Maytag laundry available at servicematters.com You might want to check that out, too.

Select "Service Pointers" -> "Laundry Products"


CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK


Post# 194074 , Reply# 29   2/27/2007 at 23:50 (4,590 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Is this the kind of squeak you Amanatag is doing?

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Post# 194076 , Reply# 30   2/27/2007 at 23:53 (4,590 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

If it is, this is what could happen! Not for the faint of heart! I only wish this owner knew that what he had was an Amanatag and not a true Maytag!

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Post# 194081 , Reply# 31   2/28/2007 at 00:47 (4,589 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
You got it spot on!

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It looks like my Amanatag, it certainly sounds like my Amanatag, BY GOLLY IT MUST BE, my model of Amanatag! Sadly, I don't have a video camera, but that's my machine and my problem to a T, although my laundry room is a bit neater than his. How much longer do I have, and how soon will my landlord pull the plug?
Also, if the tub seal fails during the cycle and the water level drops, will the machine start to fill with water again, but because of the leak, not ever be able to fill up enough to close the fill-valve, resulting in water flooding out of the machine until someone finds the mess and shuts it off? Imagine the creative use of profanity that might take place in this situation!

Should I buy a boat?
Dave


Post# 194082 , Reply# 32   2/28/2007 at 01:34 (4,589 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I figured that was what your problem was, and the guy in the film experienced the impending Tsunami as well. I don't know enough about the Amanatags to know if it will fill up again while pouring water out the bottom. I would think that the water running all over the electrics would short the machine out before too long. Maybe one of our Amanatag experts here on the site could give you more insight.
Personally, I'd sit on the machine while it's running, just to be sure! And definitely put a pan underneath it!
Anyway, please keep up posted on your progress with this machine!


Post# 194087 , Reply# 33   2/28/2007 at 02:14 (4,589 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Is that really an amanatag?

All the Maytags we had over here with that control panel were dependable cares. The atlantis and the performa look totally different.

Post# 194090 , Reply# 34   2/28/2007 at 02:36 (4,589 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Dave,

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His laundry room looks like that because the damn thing puked its guts all over the place...
Yup, no reason why it should time out on that one. It will just wet all over the floor until you turn it off.
Like I wrote earlier, if I worked in marketing at Whirlpool, I'd be so thankful to those bright Maytag managers, I'd just do anything to keep them in business.
Best advertising their competitors could ever wish for.
Sigh.
The real tragedy to the whole thing is, it ain't the managers who took it in the neck when Maytag closed, it was the workers.
The consumers had already been screwed by the managers...
Whirlpool should seriously consider putting the name aside for a few years and then re-introducing it as a quality brand - with quality products.
Oh, who am I kidding?


Post# 194198 , Reply# 35   2/28/2007 at 16:09 (4,589 days old) by exploder3211 ()        

Never mind what that squeek sounds like (sqeeking bed frame, lol), but if it where me i'd just ask for a new one and try and show him said video.. I wouldn;t want that hell in my house

Post# 194365 , Reply# 36   3/1/2007 at 16:43 (4,588 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
I removed the front panel.

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Ok, I got really brave and removed the front panel of the Amanatag and am watching the guts as it agitates. First, there is a fine black powder all over the horizontal surfaces which used to be the belt. The belt is not slipping, so far as I can tell, but it is wearing rapidly. Secondly, I have identified the source of the squeak!
As the machine agitates, the transmission lurches a little bit with each stroke of the agitator. Specifically, the whole transmission case spins during the spin cycle, and the brake is slipping during agitation. As the tub lurches back and forth with each stroke of the agitator, the brake chirps and squeals. Because the outer tub is plastic (oh, what quality), I can see the inner tub lurching back and forth inside during agitation. The brake pad is a flat piece of material, that is bolted into place along the side of the transmission. To engage the brake, the bottom of the brake-race rases up to sandwich the brake pad between itself and the top brake-race. Imagine a pulley that gets narrower to grip a belt and wider to disengage, except in this case instead of a belt, there is the brake pad.
It looks like the brake is too weak to hold the drum still during agitation, resulting in an indexing tub, of sorts. With each movement of the tub, the brake squeaks. Why is this happening? Is the brake pad worn, is the brake mechanism broken, or weak, or has something else broken, resulting in so much force being applied somewhere that the tub is forced to try to spin during agitation?

I will borrow a video camera and take some video later this evening.

Curious, and pissed at Maytag fo building this POS!
Dave


Post# 194367 , Reply# 37   3/1/2007 at 16:58 (4,588 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Sad But True...

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"Curious, and pissed at Maytag fo building this POS!"

But don't you understand- this was how they kept their stock price up! Cheap quality at "competitive" prices...

As the lights go out in one factory after another, all across this great land of ours...


Post# 194368 , Reply# 38   3/1/2007 at 17:11 (4,588 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
A correction:

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Please pardon my poor typing, my new wireless keyboard is acting up a bit. Also, we do not, nor have we ever, overload our washer. I don't know how the former tennants treated the machine, but we have been kind to it. The partially-indexing tub may have something to do with the lack of rollover and poor washing action.

Oh what fresh heck is this!
Dave


Post# 194384 , Reply# 39   3/1/2007 at 20:06 (4,588 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Forgot about the brake pads.....they are worn. Amanatags chew through those as well. The tub should not index at all. Those should be replaced. If they wear thin, then the tub will spin while agitating and swirl water over the tub ring onto the floor. Considering all the strikes against this design, might to time to replace it.

Post# 194386 , Reply# 40   3/1/2007 at 20:17 (4,588 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Considering all the strikes against this design, might be ti

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Considering all the strikes against this design, might have been time to replace it the day it was installed!

Any ideas on how this design could possibly have been made worse, is that even possible? (Excluding designs by GE of the last decade).
Dave


Post# 194389 , Reply# 41   3/1/2007 at 21:13 (4,588 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

I would take a GE washer of today over an Amanatag. Retrofitting the plastic outer tub and dual drive tranny seems to have done this design in. Also made it difficult to change brake pads and belts. Problematic from the get go.
To GE's credit they, at least, started from the ground up with a totally new design. GE also had brake problems in the beginning, but things seem to have smoothed out for laundry units built in Kentucky.


Post# 194406 , Reply# 42   3/1/2007 at 23:21 (4,588 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Video of the machine.

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I shot a short video of the guts of my Amanatag during agitation. It is my first video shoot so I appologize for its poor quality. Also, the inner tub lurches with the transmission.

I hate this machine,
Dave


CLICK HERE TO GO TO volvoguy87's LINK


Post# 194414 , Reply# 43   3/2/2007 at 03:02 (4,587 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
gosh

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I have spent time under a lot of machines through the years, but that, well, gosh - indexing takes on a whole new meaning.
I agree with you: This monster should have been drowned at birth - in any case before it drowns your house.
POS does not come even close.
Let your homeowner watch this video and I bet he handcarries your Maytag in place and sets it up for you.


Post# 194455 , Reply# 44   3/2/2007 at 09:24 (4,587 days old) by exploder3211 ()        

The GE FF here makes a similar squeek.. If i could get pictures up i would.

Post# 195402 , Reply# 45   3/7/2007 at 01:23 (4,582 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Update!

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The warranty people are coming to "have a look" at the Amanatag this Thursday between 8:00 and Noon. We'll see what they have to say about it. I'm hoping the machine is suffering from a terminal case of being an Amanatag, and the serviceman (or woman) agrees and advises my landlord to put 'er down before the big flood. As I have advised my landlord, a replaced belt and new brake shoes may make the machine function like new again, but it does not change, or improve, the tub seal. I did buy a drip pan, but that will only buy time if it leaks.

Hoping for the worst, for the sake of me, my house, and my A208,
Dave


Post# 195450 , Reply# 46   3/7/2007 at 10:26 (4,582 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

If you want to see what kind of reputation these Amanatags have follow this link! It seems that there were several models of the Amanatag.



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Post# 195467 , Reply# 47   3/7/2007 at 11:33 (4,582 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Wow.

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Of the three models shown on the page, two get only one star out of five, and one gets one-and-a-half stars. Reading the comments is a class-action lawyer's dream- very consistent tales of premature failure and unresponsive service. It's very seldom you see a consumer complaint THIS pointed:

"The business school idiots who destroyed a great brand like Maytag should be deported to North Korea."

Whirlpool, you have your work cut out for you!


Post# 195911 , Reply# 48   3/8/2007 at 18:45 (4,581 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
I hate repair services!

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The repair service was supposed to be here between 8:00 and noon today. THEY DID NOT SHOW UP!!!!! They also did not call to say why. I am calling tomorrow to get to the bottom of this. Is this typical of GE extended warranties?

Also, my Saab was towed to the shop today. Its third trip to the shop since Thanksgiving, and its second via tow truck during that time period. I think the people who made my Saab also made the Amanatag,
Dave


Post# 195923 , Reply# 49   3/8/2007 at 18:59 (4,581 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
GE Warranty Service

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"Is this typical of GE extended warranties?"

According to a lot of people, yes. Peteski50 (I think that's the right username) had a lot of info about his travails with them posted to his "LG Nightmare Continues" thread, now sadly gone with the hiccup in the Super forum.



Post# 196481 , Reply# 50   3/10/2007 at 21:26 (4,579 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE extended warranties

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Hi Sandy,
My thread is in the Deluxe # 8486 and I appreciate the fact it is still their. I have no intension of dropping the issues weather or not the machine works. As for the GE extended warranties the problem mostly lies with their service with LG. They took on something that they couldnt handle. And legally they are responsible for my issues not LG. But I still want to do everything to make GE extended warranties and LG look bad because of the poor service.
Peter


Post# 197181 , Reply# 51   3/13/2007 at 19:40 (4,576 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Great news!

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The very nice serviceman came out and lubricated the brake pads on the Amanatag with WD-40. Although I do believe that someday WD-40 will team up with Duct Tape and save the world, I am unconvinced that WD-40 fixed the problem. The tub still indexes, it just does so silently, also it now squeaks and chatters going from swirl-away drain to spin. Fortunately this is all irrelevent because my landlord has decided to sell the washer before it floods the house. In its place will go my A208. Since the machine is to be sold, is the GE extended warranty transferable?

A much happier,
Dave


Post# 197551 , Reply# 52   3/14/2007 at 22:44 (4,575 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Oh what fresh He## is this?

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I am planning on moving the A208 up to the laundry room when I return from a vacation an about a week and a half. In the mean time my housemates will ontinue to use the Amanatag. Unfortunately, it has developed a new problem. It now clunks during agitation. I pulled off the front panel and had a look and this is what I saw:
The OUTER tub was trying to index! (It was straining at the suspension springs and the entire mechanism (Tubs, transmission, pump, and motor) were all twisting with each stroke of the agitator. This action was also putting a strain on the flexable hose between the pump (moving with the tubs) and the drain hosee (clampped to the bottom of the machine and not moving). The tub seems to rock back and forth more than it did before when pushed by hand, and the machine makes some godawful banging, groaning, and growling noises during spin. Will this machine hold onto life for another week and a half, or is it kaput? Either way I will be calling my landlord and the warranty people too.

Get this thing outta my house,
Dave


Post# 197552 , Reply# 53   3/14/2007 at 22:48 (4,575 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Dave,

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When Steve and I took apart that Amanatag(pictured above), there was grease all over the inside and the spin sounded like a freight train. It was awful. My neighbor had that machine for only three years. She junked it and we tried to play with it before sending it to the Krusher.

Good Luck with your Vintage Maytag.


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