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Post# 193808   2/26/2007 at 20:21 (6,239 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

We have it tweaked, installed, wired and plumbed!

The portable that it takes the place of shit the bed, and we had the fabulous opportunity, thanks to Greggy (a.k.a. GregM) to replace it with this oh-so-cool s/s model with the twirling water wand in the middle! All we had to do was ditch the old one at the Transfer Station (thanks Ron and Tim!), build a cabinet for the new one, clean the fill valve out, and hook it up! Works great! Thought y'all might want to see a couple of pix! Thanks again Greg for making it happen!

Would anyone happen to have a photocopy of a manual for this baby?

Happy washing!
Chuck





Post# 193809 , Reply# 1   2/26/2007 at 20:23 (6,239 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Here it is open, part way through the wash. Nice and clean already!!!


Post# 193810 , Reply# 2   2/26/2007 at 20:30 (6,239 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        

Gorgeous....I love!

Post# 193815 , Reply# 3   2/26/2007 at 20:45 (6,239 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Very nice installation. I didn't know that they had stainless on appliances way back when! It looks great!

Post# 193820 , Reply# 4   2/26/2007 at 21:06 (6,239 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Chuck, SteveD in Albany probably has a copy of the manual. Sorry the GE bit the dust. Why didn't y'all opt for the Insinkerator dishwasher if you ended up doing a "built-in"?

Post# 193823 , Reply# 5   2/26/2007 at 21:11 (6,239 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
OOOOOHHHHHH!

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Very nice. Can't wait to see it in person at the next wash-in!

Good Luck with your new 'toy'~!


Post# 193824 , Reply# 6   2/26/2007 at 21:13 (6,239 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Why didn't y'all opt for the Insinkerator dishwasher

Well, 'cause my other half told me we wanted the F'daire???!!! All I do is install the stuff. I don't generally pick it out (though, I'd have picked the oh-so-gay pink one Greg had, but was told that we couldn't mix all the colors like that. I didn't get the decorating endorsement on my homo card!!!).
:-)
Chuck


Post# 193827 , Reply# 7   2/26/2007 at 21:18 (6,239 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Rich, congratulations, it looks just beautiful in your kitchen! Now you need to be on the lookout for the plexiglass demo door, or build your own viewing window. Those spin-tube dishwashers are FUN to watch!

Post# 193837 , Reply# 8   2/26/2007 at 21:33 (6,239 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
thats just beautiful Rich!

Frigidaire made some beautiful stuff! That looks beautiful!
Enjoy it!

Jeff


Post# 193839 , Reply# 9   2/26/2007 at 21:41 (6,239 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Congratulations Rich!!! It looks so neat in its new home. I will be interested in hearing how you would compare it's cleaning ability to the old GE.

Post# 193840 , Reply# 10   2/26/2007 at 21:41 (6,239 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Rich and Chuck,
Best Of Luck with the dishwasher. Looks to have a interesting loading pattern.
Peter


Post# 193851 , Reply# 11   2/26/2007 at 22:41 (6,239 days old) by appnut (TX)        
I will be interested in hearing how you would compare it'

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I won't touch either of these with a 10 ft. spray tube!!! As long as it's loaded correctly, ... It wouldn't survive a BobLoad that's for sure. How do I know? Beccause I used these in real life in suburbia. Modern detergents should help some. but with that one single wash at the beginning of the cycle after the purge.

Post# 193852 , Reply# 12   2/26/2007 at 22:42 (6,239 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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When I could, I'd sneek in a 2nd dose of detergent when the timer got to the "short Wash" portion of the dial.

Post# 193854 , Reply# 13   2/26/2007 at 22:47 (6,239 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Every one of my mom's friends who had these complained about horrible spots on glass ware. For some strange reason, when I loaded the top rack, no spots. I guess cuz I "understood" the spray pattern. I do love the bottom's back to front loading instead of side to side. I wish more machines had adopted that arrangement. Have seen it on a couple of vintage European dishwashers.

It will be a fun addition to the kitchen. And it does look great with your beautiful range.


Post# 193855 , Reply# 14   2/26/2007 at 22:48 (6,239 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That is one good looking machine! You'll have the cleanest plates in town.

Post# 193900 , Reply# 15   2/27/2007 at 06:54 (6,239 days old) by retromom ()        
What a beautiful machine, Rich and Chuck!

Wow, that is one immaculate Frigidaire! I'm such a sucker for stainless!

Congrats!


Post# 193911 , Reply# 16   2/27/2007 at 08:44 (6,239 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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In this vintage of Frigidaire d/w, did they ever have any other controls (uplevel???) than the single timer knob?

Post# 193925 , Reply# 17   2/27/2007 at 10:21 (6,239 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Now THAT is a DW!

Post# 193932 , Reply# 18   2/27/2007 at 10:54 (6,239 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Control Issues

The Frigidaire dishwasher of the fifties had a large rocker handle to lock the door and a "push to start button" like Kitchenaid. The knob was on the lower right panel and indicated what stage of the cycle the load was at. The knob was moved up to the upper right of the door in 60. The knob brought itself to the ready for the next cycle as it completed the drying cycle. When ready to start the next load, you simply pushed in on the knob. There was no door lock on the dishwasher for the next three years. You open the door a bit, wait for water action to stop and then open the door fully, to add or remove items. In the next few years to follow, you could choose a light wash, plate warmer, etc but it was all controlled by turning the single knob to the point in the cycle you wanted and then pressing in on the knob. Some machines had a detergent dispenser cover, rinse aid atc and some simply had one depression in which to measure the detergent. In 64, the design was changed to a conventional wash arm on the bottom, tower shower in the middle as well as a spray from the top of the cabinet. With the advent of that design came the Custom Imperial with push button selections sliding door lock lever just under the handle and motorized timer advance. On lower end models made in the late 60's and early 70's, for rinse and hold, you turned off the heated dry option, place the cycle in the rinse section and allowed the washer to rinse, drain and then wait while the timer advances through the dry portion of the cycle.
The center tube machines did an excellent job. As soon as you learn the dynamic and loading bowls and pans tilted on their side so water can hit the inside surface, it is an easy and effective dishwasher.

Kelly


Post# 194012 , Reply# 19   2/27/2007 at 20:00 (6,238 days old) by felinefrenzy ()        

That is absolutely gorgeous! We are in the process of planning a kitchen remodel (well, we are about a week away from the tear out!) and are going to bend and get a dishwasher. I'd LOVE to find something like this. I don't like any of the modern dishwashers we have seen. This one is awesome!

felinefrenzy


Post# 194032 , Reply# 20   2/27/2007 at 21:00 (6,238 days old) by retroguy ()        
Chuck & Rich.....

Could your kitchen GET any cooler?!? =)

Post# 194038 , Reply# 21   2/27/2007 at 21:11 (6,238 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Oh It's just beautiful Rich, congratulations! I love my Frigidaire Spray Tube dishwasher as well. Not too many of them left out there!

This thread should to into the Imperial Forum so I'm moving it there.


Post# 194047 , Reply# 22   2/27/2007 at 21:26 (6,238 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Alone with your drawers

Jenn Aire
I remember seeing the Jenn Aire going in and the bare wall when you had it prepped. Have you finshed the look? After the holidays and some time alone with the new range and ovens, can you tell me how you like them and some of the cool features they provide? I have always enjoyed hearing people talk about their new acquisitions and what the new relationship is like.
Kelly

Love cures people...the ones who give it and the one who receives it


Post# 194051 , Reply# 23   2/27/2007 at 21:37 (6,238 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Hey Guys -

Glad to see such a fine dishwasher put to daily use - such a beautiful Frigidaire! Enjoy ~

Ben


Post# 194053 , Reply# 24   2/27/2007 at 21:39 (6,238 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

The biggest problem with the Frigidaire spray tube machines, was that their loading was too unconventional for users to adjust to. Owner's manuals were read by users about as infrequently as they are now. I had a close friend who used to complain about his, and when you looked at how he loaded it, there were dome-shaped items turned upside-down in the bottom rack and worse.

Post# 194059 , Reply# 25   2/27/2007 at 21:55 (6,238 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
A picture is worth a thousand words....

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then what does that make of a scan from an owner's manual? Hey Chuck, I have the manual to a '56 scaned. The top rack is different on your later unit, but the principles are the same. If you need any other pages, let me know.

Ben


Post# 194060 , Reply# 26   2/27/2007 at 21:57 (6,238 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
A total of two-thousand words!

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The flip page....

Post# 194214 , Reply# 27   2/28/2007 at 18:13 (6,237 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Sorry for the delayed reply!

Some of you know that we are dealing with a family crisis (end of life) so we are not at the computer as much. Thanks for your understanding and patience.

I was so thrilled to see so many replies and thank you Swestoyz for the fantastic scans!!! Loading is a real issue. It is going to take some experimenting to get it right :-) The dishes, in the bottom, come out fantastic but the glasses on the top have been a problem. They don't seem to rinse thouroughly. I am trying different glasses at different angles so that the jets spray up into the glasses.

We are using a powder, enzyme detergent. Should we possibly try a tablet for the slower release? Perhaps it would last to the second wash OR does anyone think that a liquid would be better? I'm looking for opinions from you experts :-) We realy can't compare the Frigi with the GE just yet. We will have to give the Frigi a good try. If we can get the top to clean like the bottom then I can say that the Frigidaire is the winner!!! And quiet for it's vintage! I do love the splashing sound that it does make!

I will try to respond to some other questions or comments in seperate posts :-)

Rich


Post# 194215 , Reply# 28   2/28/2007 at 18:14 (6,237 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Now you need to be on the lookout for the plexiglass demo do

I wouldn't know where to look! ????

Any ideas? I would love to see it work!


Post# 194216 , Reply# 29   2/28/2007 at 18:18 (6,237 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Could your kitchen GET any cooler?!? =)

MAYBE!!! (-;

We have a couple other "cool" additions that need to be installed.. Stay tuned


Post# 194217 , Reply# 30   2/28/2007 at 18:24 (6,237 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Alone with your drawers

I would have to say that the performance of the JennAir is very goo it does have its drawbacks. You can't have a very tall or wide pot on the stove nor can you easily pull long pasta out of a pan of boiling water. The oven kinda gets in the way. It's taken time to adjust but my motto has been (in regards to this remodel) "Form before function"!!! SHHHHH...Don't tell Chuck this :-) He's the practical one!



Post# 194218 , Reply# 31   2/28/2007 at 18:29 (6,237 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Hey Guys,

Hope you are doing as well as can be expected at this trying time!
The d/w LOOKS fantastic....
Back then, hot water was 140-160 degrees............can you say SCALDING???? Today's enzyme detergents are meant for 120-130 degree water. You might want to try a chlorine based detergent like Sunlight powder or powerpacks. The powerpacks might dissolve slowly and last through the second wash. (Is there a second wash)???
Do NOT use liquid dishwasher detergent.....not enough phosphates....don't clean as well even in a moderm machine. Hope to see you both soon!! Mom is home and doing well. Things are back to semi-normal...whatever the h**l that is !!


Post# 194220 , Reply# 32   2/28/2007 at 18:55 (6,237 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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John, yes there is a "2nd" wash. The timer dial is divided into 4 main sections: Regular wash (which is the wash which happens after the initial purge). The next section is something like short wash, light wash, or china. That's anotehr "wash". The next section is Rinse & Dry. That consists of two more fills for rinising. The last section is dry/plate warmer. To use any of the otehr cycles, you turn the knob to the right until it stops (kinda like on a push-button Lady Kenmore). Then simple push the fig fat dial in and it starts with a drain. then the purge. Then the fill for the detergent wash. I don't rememember exactly, but there oculd be a 1-minute rinse inbetween the first wash andd the 2nd wash phase which begins at the short wash section. Rich & Chuck, I believe this version has a small power shower spinning from the top of the tub. This model was the first restyle of the initial Frigidaire dishwasher. And as pointed out,t he top rack is a little bit differently arranged, not quite as dep as Robert's 1956. Part of that is due to the row of bowl or small plate tines across the very middle of the top rack. Chuck my best suggestion is to keep angling the glasses, think of that spray as fimply fanning out from the center. The examples above are good. Also do not put larger things in front of smaller things. An example would be that large mixing bowl in the picture above. Think of one that's slightly smaller. The instruction manual says not to put something (like coffee cups) "behind" that bowl on the far outside of the rack. But, something like coffee cups or measuring cups could go on that far outside edge of the rack "behind" glasses. It's going to take some getting used to. Rich, you're pretty much repeating just exactly what I heard housewives complain about glases out of this machine in 1963-1967. Like I said above, I somehow had a "knack" for loading everything in the top rack such that that they told me glasses looked betterr after I'd loaded the machine. And it is fun to just sit in front of the machine while it's running, it's very soothing and peaceful. Wish y'all didn't have so much going on in your lives right now, would love to have y'all send me some pics of loading patterns. Hugs to ya both and y'all are in my thoughts & prayers, as are your families. Bob

Post# 194312 , Reply# 33   3/1/2007 at 10:42 (6,237 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Hope you are doing as well as can be expected at this trying

Thanks John!!

We are doign OK. Just very tired :-)

We are glad to hear that things are getting back to normal for you and mom!!! We hope to see you very soon.

I will trty the tablets in the DW. As you know, our water is scalding hot so maybe we'll try a chlorine based detergent. Thanks for the tip. We'll report back when we try it.


Post# 194313 , Reply# 34   3/1/2007 at 10:53 (6,237 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
I believe this version has a small power shower spinning fr

Could you be thinking about the Mobile Maid? Our Mobile Maid has the Power Shower in the lid. It's a small twirling arm. It even says on the arm and front of Dw "Power Shower" The Frigidaire has nothing on the top. The only water comes out of the spinning tube.

I have tried angling the glasses at different degrees with no real difference. I'm going to try not letting the glasses touch each other. This should cause the water to circulate better. I will post some pictures of the load that we just did. Perhaps you can see where we could improve the performance.

We'll report back :-)

THANK YOU!!

Rich



Post# 194388 , Reply# 35   3/1/2007 at 20:56 (6,236 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Rich, I guess the power shower type featuer didn't emerge until about the 1963 verison of the Deluxe model. Bob

Post# 194400 , Reply# 36   3/1/2007 at 22:00 (6,236 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Hugs to ya both and y'all are in my thoughts & prayers,

OOOPS!!

This is what the "THANK YOU" was for. I didn't read my post before sending!!

Also...thank you for the info :-)

Rich


Post# 194892 , Reply# 37   3/4/2007 at 17:20 (6,233 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Better results!!

I spaced the glasses and cups that are in the top rack plus I tried Sun Light power packs with great results!! 1 or 2 spot on one glass and the rest were perfect!!!! Thanks for the suggestion John :-)

Rich


Post# 194893 , Reply# 38   3/4/2007 at 17:21 (6,233 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
I will post some pictures of the load that we just did. Perh

Sorry, I didn't get to take pictures before the dishwasher was emptied :-(

Rich


Post# 194897 , Reply# 39   3/4/2007 at 17:44 (6,233 days old) by vintagesearch ()        
hey perc-o-prince great dw!

great dw enjoy by the way we have that same(exact) ge washer that you have next to the dw, do you have any problems with it?

happy dishwashing LOL, Vintagesearch


Post# 194900 , Reply# 40   3/4/2007 at 18:07 (6,233 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Hey Rich...

Only too happy to help....glad the upper rack is washing better. I think chlorinated d/w detergents work better in hotter water.

My best to you both and hope to see you soon!!!
John


Post# 195045 , Reply# 41   3/5/2007 at 11:32 (6,233 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
we have that same(exact) ge washer that you have next to the

Hi Randy,

We haven't had any problems with it. It has worked just fine and it gets a lot of use. No complaints here :-)


Post# 195046 , Reply# 42   3/5/2007 at 11:34 (6,233 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
My best to you both and hope to see you soon!!!

Back at'cha and us too, John!!!

Feel free to call!

Rich


Post# 195092 , Reply# 43   3/5/2007 at 16:12 (6,233 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Rich I pack glasses into the top rack of my Frigidaire DW and I never seem to have a problem with spots. I use Cascade with Dawn in all my vintage dishwashers, these Casecade packs seems to clean better than any other detergent I have tried in vintage dishwashers. The packs dissolve within the first few minutes of the wash cycle, I have the clear demo door so I've seen it do it in action.

Post# 195104 , Reply# 44   3/5/2007 at 18:23 (6,232 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

I'll try Cascade next. It seems that if the glasses aren't just right and the stars are not aligned then I get crud stuck to the glasses. I am trying to pre-rinse the dishes and though I'm sure that helps I still have a problem. Only one load out of maybe seven has come out clean.

Where the h@ll do you find a clear demo door? I would like to have one. Anyone out there have an extra!!! :-)

Rich


Post# 195144 , Reply# 45   3/5/2007 at 21:17 (6,232 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Rich I never pre-rinse dishes and I never seem to have that problem. Make sure you try Cascade with Dawn Packs. These dissolve most food particles quite well. I have 140F degree water as well.

The demo door is very rare, I have only ever seen one of them, I found it in an old Frigidaire dealer's basement down in Iowa.


Post# 195295 , Reply# 46   3/6/2007 at 17:38 (6,231 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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There is a video of one of those Spray Tube DW in the Member Links section:

users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Frid...

Alex


Post# 195628 , Reply# 47   3/7/2007 at 22:19 (6,230 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Thanks!!

Alex,

I just made some time to view the video. What a great set-up!! I assume that it's Robert's (Unimatic) DW?

Thanks for directing me!

Robert,

I tried the Cascade w/Dawn pacs and it wasn't as good as the Sun Lite. I will try it again but I just can't seem to get it right :-(

Rich


Post# 195631 , Reply# 48   3/7/2007 at 22:37 (6,230 days old) by tlee618 ()        

I saw an ad on TV tonight for Cascade, at the end they mentioned that coming soon was a New Cascade with Bleach. Anyone else know anything about this?

Post# 195672 , Reply# 49   3/8/2007 at 07:32 (6,230 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Re-inventing the wheel, again.

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They have it on their website. New! ;-)

CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK


Post# 195679 , Reply# 50   3/8/2007 at 08:03 (6,230 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks for the link Greg, I wonder if it will ever be available in powder instead of the packets. I am glad they are putting the bleach back in!!

Post# 195713 , Reply# 51   3/8/2007 at 10:55 (6,230 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Just found this:

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Not the same year, but same generation, I think. Lovely jadeite green inside:

Post# 195796 , Reply# 52   3/8/2007 at 15:16 (6,230 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Rich, hmmmm something doesn't sound right. Is the filter clean? Is your water hot enough? In wonder if the pump pressure is somehow reduced in your machine due to a malfunction of some sort. The spray tube is suppose to rotate at 600rpm, of course the only way to know that is with the clear demo door.

Post# 196010 , Reply# 53   3/8/2007 at 23:17 (6,229 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Hmm, looks like dinner for 8. But what happen to glass number 6, 7, & 8 in that load?


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