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Post# 54921   1/27/2005 at 07:50 (7,000 days old) by retromom ()        

We got the Bosch dishwasher installed yesterday. I love the look. Just have a question though: I notice that the inside stays pretty moist; moisture on the sides and inside the door. Since this is a stainless interior, am I just noticing it more?

Also, with the plastic items that were washed; they tended to retain beaded up water on them. Is this typical?





Post# 54938 , Reply# 1   1/27/2005 at 09:32 (6,999 days old) by Ironrite ()        

Congratulations on your new machine. I've had mine for about a year and love it. What I really like about the machine is I can load it up like crazy. I don't have to worry about not putting plastics on the bottom or stuff melting and burning. Plus, it's in the kitchen which is part of the family room and you can barely hear the thing running. I've posted a link over to That Homesite, The Garden Web, Appliances. It's a pretty good site, lots of infomation to sift through.

Depending on your Bosch model you may have the option for a hotter final rinse. The set up instructions are in the back of your manual. I find this helps with the lighter plastic items. Like those throw away leftover containers. I just keep using mine over and over.

The Bosch dries via a condensation system. So apparently the heavier or more substantial the item the better it will dry. What I do is let the thing finish it's drying cycle. Wait about 1/2 hour then open the door and let steam out and wait until the dishes are cool enough to handle. This usually gets those light plastic items dry.

Our water here in Las Vegas is hard as rocks. In the rinse aid dispenser you can adjust the amount of rinse aid. Try the different settings to see which one works best for you. Again, this also helps with the water sheeting and final drying as well.

You may also notice, depending on your water hardness, detergent use, that the stainless will get marks or calcium looking build up. I just hit mine with some Limeway or CLR and it looks find, hasn't hurt the machine. A little on a sponge then run the machine on a light cycle.

They also don't have a food grinder for those odd bits that get in the machine. At the bottom there is a screen. I check mine about once a month. Twist out the part on the top of the screen. Clean that part, the screen and the very fine metal screen under the large piece. I did find the fine metal screen getting a calcium build up, so I hit it with the CLR and it's back to new.


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Post# 54947 , Reply# 2   1/27/2005 at 11:16 (6,999 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Hey Venus;

We have a Bosch dishwasher at work, and my grandma also has a Neff version, and both of them leave the interior slightly moist due to their condensation drying cycle, as Ironrite pointed out. However I've found that if unloaded a while after it's ended, that stuff comes out as dry as a... dry dish!

How are you adjusting to a European-style dishwasher versus the old US one you had before? It was a Hotpoint, wasn't it? Until 2003 when Merloni bought out Hotpoint, Hotpoint used to contract Bosch to make dishwashers for them, kinda ironic if you think about it.

I've attached a pic of my Grandma's Neff dishwasher, which is probably similar to yours. If I remember correctly, yours is the base model, no?

Jon


Post# 54949 , Reply# 3   1/27/2005 at 11:50 (6,999 days old) by Joe_in_Philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Jon,

That dishwasher control is set up very similar to my Bosch dishwasher. Is Neff made by Bosch?

How does your grandmother open her cabinets and drawers without handles?

Joe


Post# 54954 , Reply# 4   1/27/2005 at 12:10 (6,999 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Joe,

Yes, Neff is BSH's niche brand in the built-in market. Her cupboards actually do have handles, but they are out of site in the photo. The "drawer" under the sink is a dummy fascia, however the door underneath it has a handle on the top left just out of the photo. The cupboards to the left of the dishwasher have an L shaped door which is hinged in the middle - again the handle is on the right hand side of the cupboard around the corner from that, and it opens out.

Jon


Post# 54960 , Reply# 5   1/27/2005 at 13:01 (6,999 days old) by retromom ()        
Bosch DW

Michael and Jon:

Thank you both for all of the wonderful information! I will certainly experiment to make sure the Bosch runs at maximum efficiency (and makes mom happy). I will be putting the jet dry in today. Our water is pretty hard as well. You wouldn't believe what it can do to a chrome finish. Very sad. I had planned on checking the filter once a month anyway. I usually rinse my dishes into the sink with the disposal, so there isn't too much to get in to the dishwasher. It makes me cringe to put a food-laden plate into the dishwasher.

Westy will post pics of the dw later. Jon, it has four buttons on the right side vs. the three on your grandma's. Still getting used to the configuration for loading, but at least I don't have flakes of dishwasher detergent in my glasses and on my plates (yuk).

Venus



Post# 54961 , Reply# 6   1/27/2005 at 13:18 (6,999 days old) by Joe_in_Philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Jon,

Thanks for the explaination. The interior looks similar to my Bosch's interior, though the racks and silverware basket are different.

What is that grey plastic piece on the bottom left of the tub? It looks like a lid of some sort.

Joe


Post# 54972 , Reply# 7   1/27/2005 at 14:37 (6,999 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Joe,

Do you mean the salt compartment??? If so, that's the lid to the water softening unit where the salt is added through. Do the American Bosch dishwashers not have a water softener?

I'm intrigued, maybe that explains the reason of a "Sanitized" light in the place where the "Salt Refill" light should be. If you look closely at the exterior pic, you can see where I mean.

Jon


Post# 54976 , Reply# 8   1/27/2005 at 14:53 (6,999 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Do the American Bosch dishwashers have the sliding detergent dispenser versus a spring loaded flap?

Venus - so how is your Bosch dishwasher??? Are you impressed with the results? I must admit Bosch dishwashers are one of the most easiest to load (only dishwasher I find easier to load are AEG (main reason for why I chose an AEG), Miele is about the same). Bosch dishwashers are the no.1 brand of dishwasher sold in the UK, and it's easy to see why. If I wasn't too fussed about how the dishwasher stacks, and was going solely on reliablity, I would have bought a Bosch dishwasher. Of course being the pernickety so and so I am, I insisted on an AEG because of how the racks loaded and also the AEG had a couple extra features such as an Intensive cycle and a 3-in-1 option.





Take care, happy dishwashing!!

Jon

BTW in case your interested here's a link to my new dishwasher.


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Post# 54980 , Reply# 9   1/27/2005 at 15:41 (6,999 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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I also have a Bosch dishwasher. Mine is about 3 years old and I find it does not dry as well as my kitchen aid. I routinely use the Power Scrub option because the water is hotter and seems to dry the dishes better.

I love the results and I don't think you'll find a quieter machine.


Post# 54984 , Reply# 10   1/27/2005 at 16:07 (6,999 days old) by Joe_in_Philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Jon,

Yes, that must be it! I have never seen a dishwasher with a salt compartment, though I have read that Mieles sold in the US have one. The Bosch dishwashers sold here do not have a water softener, thus no salt compartment.

Chachp,

On my Bosch, with the unit off, if you hold the left "cancel drain" button down and press the power button, a 1 or 0 will show in the display. Pressing the left "cancel drain" button will toggle between the 1 and 0. A 1 setting will heat the rinse water to a higher temperature, which will aid drying. Press the power button again to save the setting. Your model may work the same way, or have a similar setting.

Joe


Post# 55104 , Reply# 11   1/28/2005 at 10:31 (6,998 days old) by Joe_in_Philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Jon,

I forgot to add that American Bosch dishwashers have the sliding detergent dispenser. This is the first dishwasher I have seen that does not have a prewash detergent dispenser.

Joe


Post# 55164 , Reply# 12   1/28/2005 at 19:40 (6,998 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Joe,

The BSH manuals over here recommend pouring additional detergent directly onto the door for the pre wash cycle. On the first models with the sliding dispenser in the mid 90s, if I remember rightly they used to have a prewash compartment open when the flap was closed - i.e., underneath where the flap is when the main detergent compartment is open. However they blanked it out for some reason on the later versions, and now, as I mentioned before, they recommend putting prewash detergent on the door itself.

Take care,

Jon


Post# 55172 , Reply# 13   1/28/2005 at 20:08 (6,998 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Venus Veus Venus!!!! Tsk Tsk Tsk!!! I can't believe a member applianceville is such a flagrant violater of the dishwasher code. NO Pre-rinsing. Scrape off teh big chunks with a knife and put the stuff in. It's a great dishwasher. Hmm, TCOX6912 has the same model as yours. He loads it over the gills and stuff comes out perfect. He uses power scrub cycle a lot and also finds normal does a kick booty job too.

Post# 55178 , Reply# 14   1/28/2005 at 20:54 (6,998 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
pre-rinsing

convincing someone not to pre-rinse is not one of the easiest things to do.....I pre-rinsed, until I got a Maytag machine in '98....won't ever pre-rinse again....

Post# 55181 , Reply# 15   1/28/2005 at 21:20 (6,998 days old) by agiflow ()        
No pre-rinsing

When i got the Whirlpool in 1990 i took the manufacturers word and did nor pre rinse anything.Always got great results on the normal cycle and even the low energy cycle with dried on gunk.
The spraying action tends to be loud on this machine but not offensive.


Post# 55183 , Reply# 16   1/28/2005 at 21:25 (6,998 days old) by agiflow ()        

I was in my local Sears tonight and they had the Bosch made Kenmore Elite dw running.I was impressed by how quiet this machine is.I opened the door and nearly got splashed,looks to be good cleaning action.Very little water use too.I think i like.

Post# 55191 , Reply# 17   1/28/2005 at 22:25 (6,998 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well, I stopped pre rinsing as soon as I left home to go to college and moved into my first apartment.

Post# 55194 , Reply# 18   1/29/2005 at 00:01 (6,998 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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LOL, I never prerinsed, starting with the KDI-17a back in 1975.

Post# 55200 , Reply# 19   1/29/2005 at 02:21 (6,998 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Underloading

I am amazed at how people will run their dishwashers with so little in it. What a waste!! There are two of us and everything goes in it apart from aluminium and wooden spoons. I cram it full, using every available space before I run it. It is a Bosch and I have had it for 3 years and it is a complete workhorse. Everything comes out spotless everytime, I wouldn't dream of putting it on unless it was full, full, full. Same as laundry, I wouldn't run my washer without a full load. My brother and his wife put their DW on with about ten items in it. I was shocked!!

Post# 55201 , Reply# 20   1/29/2005 at 03:25 (6,998 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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A loooooong time ago, I think it was even on our Yahoo club, Jason posted a drawing of a woman (with a cigarette?) who said something like: "Their should be support groups for women who still prerinse" or something like that. I couldn't find it on my computer, it's probably on my old one and I don't have access to those files anymore. Does somebody have it?

Post# 55203 , Reply# 21   1/29/2005 at 06:18 (6,998 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
pre-rinsing

I stopped pre-rinsing way back in '78 with purchase of my electronic KM. Had a hell of a time convincing everyone NOT to pre-rinse though, used to catch people doing it all the time. Finally got everybody "trained"

Post# 55204 , Reply# 22   1/29/2005 at 06:21 (6,998 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
plastic item drying

I have yet to see a dishwasher where the plastic items come out totally dry, even using the heated drying cycle and/or extra hot final rinse. There is ALWAYS some water on plastic items, when everything else is absolutley dry and even too hot to touch.

Post# 55207 , Reply# 23   1/29/2005 at 06:40 (6,998 days old) by wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)        
The totally dry

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When I was a loyal Kitchen Aid Dishwasher owner before they basterdized it. My supurba would never have a wet dish or wet plastic piece in it especially when the sani rinse was used. The fan drying was one of the better features on that machine with the best washing action also. But alas when my KD died I went looking for parts and found an ASKO top of the line at Salvation Army for 10.00 and it workes beautiful with only five gallons of water total for the heavy cycle. Since I am on a septic tank and live in a swamp the Asko became the indoor dishwasher since it was also so very very quiet ( very open floor plan two stories high) so quiet in fact that my partner opened it a couple of times while it was running. Now he feels the dishwasher for vibrations to see if it is running. The kitchen aid is in my outdoor kitchen with a new motor going strong

Post# 55211 , Reply# 24   1/29/2005 at 08:03 (6,997 days old) by retromom ()        
to pre-rinse or not to pre-rinse

Bob (appnut):

I will (scrape scrape) really try (scrape scrape) not to pre-rinse or clean off (scrape scrape) my dishes before I load them in the dishwasher. Actually, I did much better last night. The dog was in the kitchen, and, you know......she kind of helped ;-)

I think the cleaning-the-dishes-before-I-clean-the-dishes thing
is a holdover from my no dishwasher days. I grew up without one and didn't have a dishwasher until I was an adult.

Louis: Is that pre-rinsing support group still in existence? Do you have a website address? :)

Will try harder, but need your support. ;-)

Venus


Post# 55221 , Reply# 25   1/29/2005 at 09:20 (6,997 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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Pre-rinse? What's that? LOL Now ask me if I know how to clean out the filter in my Bosch? That I can explain very well!!

Post# 55264 , Reply# 26   1/29/2005 at 19:54 (6,997 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Salt Dispenser

Hi Guys,

In AU, the Whirlpools, Bosch, AEG, all lack the salt dispenser. In the last series TOL Whirlpool DW I picked up last weekend, there is a plastic plate where the salt filler goes but nothing underneath.

it only seems to be Miele that gets a water softener in AU.


Post# 55284 , Reply# 27   1/29/2005 at 22:13 (6,997 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Venus, Dr. Bob is oncall anytime you need no rinse therapy.

Post# 55327 , Reply# 28   1/30/2005 at 12:23 (6,996 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Venus/Austin,

So how's it going with your new DW? Any pics yet?

Jaune,

All the Bosch and AEG dishwasher I've used have managed to get the plastic dry, and thats in a 20 min condenser drying cycle without heat.

Jon


Post# 55332 , Reply# 29   1/30/2005 at 15:22 (6,996 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        
rinse aid

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Retro,


Unless I missed it in someones post, sorry if I did. Are you using rinse aid? If you are not then you should. Its not really an option but with most of todays newer dishwashers its a must. The bosch will not dry with out it. If you are using it then you may want to try a higher number setting. As far as dring plastics, mine never did thoroughly dry them. But it cleans great, its very quiet so I can live with that small short comming.


Post# 55395 , Reply# 30   1/31/2005 at 08:18 (6,995 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
plastic drying

I could never get my KM to cmpletely dry plastic even using Sani-Temp final rinse, rinse aid, AND heated drying. There would be a lot FEWER drops of water if I used those 3 options but the plastic items would still never be COMPLETELY dry.

Post# 55430 , Reply# 31   1/31/2005 at 10:53 (6,995 days old) by retromom ()        
Bosch, etc.

Scott:

You bet I use a rinse-aid! Our water is so hard here, you have to chop it out of the faucet ;-)

Jaune:

I find that the more I use the dishwasher, the dryer the plastics seem to get. Yes, there are still a few drops left on some items, but gosh...this is such a great dishwasher. It's a small sacrifice considering the Hotpoint left flakes of dishwasher detergent inside the glasses and wouldn't even dispense all of the detergent. Blech! >:(

Phillipe:

I had to laugh; I will walk by the dw to make sure it's on. Yes, it really is that quiet. After all the noise the bol Hotpoint made, it's almost hard to get used to "no noise". Can't believe you found an Asko at the SA for $10.00! What a deal. My only question is, "Why the heck would someone get rid of that!!". Pass along some of that serendipity please :)

Venus


Post# 55568 , Reply# 32   2/1/2005 at 09:41 (6,994 days old) by Joe_in_Philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Jon,

I did not see any mention in my manual about adding additional detergent for a prewash. If you want to see the American Bosch dishwasher manual, you can download it from the link below.

The way mine works, it starts with a brief, 1 minute quick rinse at the beginning of the cycle. I guess it would rinse the majority of any additional detergent down the drain anyway. I initially thought that prewash detergent may interfere with the water sensor, but I don't think that is the reason why there is no prewash dispenser. I think that it is just not needed.

The way the normal cycle seems to always run is first the very brief 1 minute quick rinse. Then, it will "rinse" for about 20 minutes, and the detergent cup opens. I assume if the load was dirtier, there would be a water change before the detergent cup opens and the wash starts. It washes for about 35 minutes. Then it has two rinses, the first lasts for about 8 minutes, the second is much longer, I assume because it has to heat the water. Don't forget, we only have 110v power to the dishwasher, so it takes longer to heat the water, though we don't start with cold water. My hot water is around 120F (49C) at the faucet.

Joe


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