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Post# 200858   4/2/2007 at 17:22 (6,205 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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First, the latest press release from Miele Germany:

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Press Release
No. 046/2007

Miele's G 1002/G 2002 dishwasher series offers even greater user convenience

High-tech dishwashing


User convenience is a decisive quality which Miele uses to substantiate its claim to being innovation leader in the industry. And the many new features and functions demonstrated by models from the new G 1002/G 2002 series are prime examples of user convenience.


Programme cycle times are also a key factor in the success of modern dishwashers. It goes without saying that Miele would never entertain the idea of shortening programmes at the expense of cleaning performance and gentle wash results. But still, Miele's product engineers have once again managed to arrive at solutions which live up to Miele's own exacting requirements.

Miele's new time-saving concept is based on the one hand on specially developed programmes such as 'Light 50°C' and 'Turbo'. The latter cuts cycle times in some programmes by up to 50 minutes. This reduction does not impair cleaning and drying results. Reduced cycle times are possible in 'Sensor wash', 'Intensive 75°C', 'Normal 55°C', 'Heavy 65°C', 'Light 50°C' and 'Rapid 40°C'. All Miele dishwashers can be connected to a hot water supply resulting in additional time savings.

The use of a new, heavy-duty variable-speed circulation pump helps achieve sound emissions on high-end models of no more than 41 dB. Besides being quiet and reducing the length of programme cycles, the new pump allows various levels of spray pressure to be achieved, ranging from high to medium and low, so that programmes can be tailored to the specific needs of loads.

User convenience growing in significance

Some three years ago, Miele first introduced its in-door salt container, eliminating the need to bend to add salt. This feature is now standard on many Miele models and still represents a unique selling proposition.

Since then, user convenience has continued to grow in significance. Consequently, models from the new G 1002/G 2002 series sport further 'creature comforts' to make life simpler. One such new feature is 'Sensor wash', an automatic programme with a sensor-controlled drying cycle. As laboratory tests show clearly that drying results are dependent both on ambient room temperature and on load size and composition, Miele has incorporated sensors to monitor both these parameters. The information they provide is used to adjust the drying cycle accordingly. This can take the form of elevated temperatures in the last rinse cycle, the use of additional rinse aid or extended fan operation. The outcome is that all items are perfectly dried.

Virtually everyone has been tempted at one time or another to add items to a load already being washed. The door on all Miele dishwashers can be opened once a programme has started. This, though, only makes sense early on in the programme cycle. Now, on some new-generation models, users are reminded whether the programme is too far advanced by the words 'Crockery can be added' in the display.

Automatic door action


Self-closing, anti-slam drawers have featured in fitted kitchens for some time now. A similar new feature is now unique to Miele dishwashers and allows effortless door closure. All the user has to do is to lift up the door so that it rests against the strike plate. Once this position has been reached, a motor takes over and shuts and locks the door automatically.

The same motor responsible for automatic door closure performs a second function: At the end of the programme, the door is opened by approx. 10 cm to release the steamy air from the drying process and allows the load to cool down more quickly. Continued fan operation prevents condensation from forming on the underside of the worktop by expelling air and steam with force. This function, described by Miele as 'Drying Plus', is ideal for drying plastic items as these are light-weight and unable to store the heat needed to evaporate moisture.

Miele gets along well with all kinds of detergents


Combination detergents in tablet form continue to appeal to consumers. Supermarkets offer a wide range of tablets containing not just the obligatory rinse aid and a salt substitute but also further ingredients to enhance cleaning performance. As an appliance manufacturer, Miele has gone a long way towards accommodating dishwasher tablets containing a variety of ingredients. The 'Combi' function deactivates the dispensing of liquid rinse aid. At the same time, salt consumption is reduced to a bare minimum to ensure optimum wash results. Consumers can switch back to using powder detergent or tablets containing only detergent whenever they so wish.

The practical design of DeLuxe baskets on G 1002/G 2002 dishwashers allow versatile use. Whether plates, pots, bowls or glasses – dishwasher baskets from Miele are accommodatingly flexible. The lower basket is able to take plates with a diameter of up to 31 cm without the slightest problems. Baskets offer numerous ways of washing and drying glasses, ensuring a secure hold in each case. The cutlery tray on a third level ensures contact-free positioning, thorough cleaning and hygienic removal of cutlery. The tray also frees up a significant amount of space in the lower basket which can now be used to wash large items or simply more plates and glasses.

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And here's the link to the dishwasher durability test Miele started on March 28th. Do also check out the videos -> "Information on Miele quality".

Alex

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Post# 200976 , Reply# 1   4/3/2007 at 14:53 (6,204 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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hehe, yer I got that e-mail.

The motorised door sounds cool!!!


Post# 200982 , Reply# 2   4/3/2007 at 16:04 (6,204 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Oh heavens, connection to a HOT water source?

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Imagine..... variable speed pump.

Meaning we are back to more vigorous water-action and shorter wash times. Looks like the 70's and 80' revisited!

GENIUS! NOVELTY! EARTH SHATTERING!



Post# 200991 , Reply# 3   4/3/2007 at 17:30 (6,204 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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TOL dishwashers by Bosch/Siemens have been offering that feature for quite some time now - they call it AquaVario. If you press the VarioSpeed button (it's all about "Vario" at B/S/H...) the machine will shorten the cycle by approx. 50% by activating both spray arms simultaneously and using the max. pressure. Consumption increases a little bit (water: one gallon, energy: ?).

I don't use that feature often - don't mind waiting for the DW.

Toggleswitch, I think you'll like this one: Miele also offers residential dishwashers that are based upon their Professional units.

Currently, there are two models on the GER market with different features. They both look just like domestic units (rack layout, measurements, noise rating of 48 dB) but are much faster.

Both machines feature a 8700 watts / 400 volts heater, a 48 gal. per minute recirculation pump and a 17 minute regular cycle - if connected to hot water (140°F). The *better* model is a tall tub with cutlery tray. The *lower* model has an optional 185°F final rinse - the *better* one offers 167°.

Alex

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Post# 200992 , Reply# 4   4/3/2007 at 17:36 (6,204 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Now now Steve

Sarcasm ill becomes you :)

The main reason that hot water is making a comeback, is due to Solar, Geothermal and Heat Pump created hotwater.

In many instances now, in Australia, hotwater for dishwashers is making a come back as the rebates for renewable hotwater sources escalate. The downside to a hot fill however you lose the ability to do a proper china/delicate cycle (40degC). All of the Miele dishwashers have had the ability to be connected to Hot water (60degC Max), the manual just advises against it as it wastes energy. Plus the fact that the machine can run a full cycle with 13L of water and still get things perfectly clean every time reduces the hot water consumption.

If the variable speed pump makes it down the line to the low end models, that'll be great, I assume that the alternating spray arms comes with that, as it is already included in the TOL models.

The sensor controlled drying sounds interesting. Already on the sensor wash, my machine varies the final rinse temp depending on the level of soil it detects during the wash. If I run a load where there is oil residue, gravy, rice, applesauce etc in the machine, the final rinse tends to get as hot as the final rinse on the Pots and Pans cycle. The normal drying period is 30 minutes. If the door automatically opened, then I'm assuming the dry is shortened to 10-15 minutes.


Post# 201009 , Reply# 5   4/3/2007 at 19:50 (6,204 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Miele already offered "turbothermic" fan assisted drying on some models negating the need to open the door. Obviously because those models required a vent on the front door to exhaust the air they couldn't have custom built fronts or flush smooth fronts. The fan assist on the "turbothermics" was quite powerful and you can really feel it blowing out the front of the machine when drying. Did the models without the turbothermic drying not work as well and that could be one of the reasons they went with the door opening feature?

Post# 201013 , Reply# 6   4/3/2007 at 19:59 (6,204 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
The new G1XXX and G2XXX

Series Have a vent in the roof of the machine.

The air is sucked into the vent and through a duct down the outside of the cabinet, through the heat exchanger and then the cooler less steamy air vents from below the door in the gap between the kickplate and the door. I havent figured out where the air gets into the cabinet to replace the air it vents.

It takes 30mins that way, and the dishes are cool/cold to the touch which you open the machine.

I'm assuming if you vent into the room the process is much faster, and that it probably takes in cold air from floor level, blows it into the cabinet, and then the steam and heat exit through the door towards the ceiling.

On mine if I open the door at the end of the final rinse, it usually takes 10-15 minutes for everything to dry properly and then its cool enough to handle. I would assume this change is to speed up the drying process and thus cut more time off the cycle.

The Miele when installed has a metal plate and sealant that stops the steam damaging the underside of the benchtop, so venting like that is unlikely to cause damage and probably saves cost.


Post# 201023 , Reply# 7   4/3/2007 at 20:28 (6,204 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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~The downside to a hot fill however you lose the ability to do a proper china/delicate cycle (40degC).

Sustiture "customary" for "proper" as the above-described programme/cycle appears to be culturally-based. :-)

Let the machine admit hot water from the tap. The recirculation pump(s)then wait(s)/paus(es) until the water suffciently cools. The steam and heat rising out of the water can be thought of as softening the dried-on foods. Similary if one is not pre-rinsing, the cooled water in the lines should assist in a cooler start.

~The main reason that hot water (connection) is making a comeback, is due to Solar, Geothermal and Heat Pump created hotwater.

Here int he USA,in most parts of the country, IMHO gas or oil-heated domestic hot water is far less expesnive than electrically heated water and our ordinary line voltage does not allow the kind of grande wattage to heat water seen elsewhere.




Post# 201031 , Reply# 8   4/3/2007 at 21:15 (6,204 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Wow!

Sounds like Miele--B/S/H are leading the way again.

I wonder how many of these features will show up (in ten or so years) on American brand dishwashers!?!!???


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 201059 , Reply# 9   4/3/2007 at 22:42 (6,204 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
My intent was talking about

My local market Australia.

Oil went out of vogue as a domestic heating source by the late 70's. We had an oil fired boiler in our house for the radiators, however by the time I came along it was disconnected and we used LPG.

In Australia, you can now get up $1000 back for installing a renewable energy hotwater heater. There are companies that by the Renewable Energy Credits (REC's) and sell them on to business.

Back on track :) Arent the china/crystal/delicate cycles on most machines low temp with a cool dry? I'd always assumed that the low temp was to protect glazes/colours and to prevent thermal shock if the inlet temp changed.

I've been wondering how the US Miele dishwashers go running on Cold water only. The manuals have the same advisory as the rest of the countries do, IE its more ecconomical to connect to cold. I just wonder how much longer it pushes the cycle time out. Mine is approx 2 hours with cold water, I wonder how much longer they take on 110V.


Post# 201068 , Reply# 10   4/3/2007 at 23:24 (6,204 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Mine was hooked up to hot water and I'm sure that's what the owners installation manual said to do because we installed it ourselves.

Post# 201069 , Reply# 11   4/3/2007 at 23:31 (6,204 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hey Pete,

The current owners manuals from the US say hot or cold. That either must make the hot supplied cycles really short, or the cold supplied cycles really long.



Post# 201100 , Reply# 12   4/4/2007 at 04:13 (6,204 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Well, don't know about solar or other types of alternative energy, but am here to tell you a hot water dishwasher connection with faster cycle times just makes more sense. After the quick demise of the Dacor uber dishwasher, consumers are left with two choices, have two dishwashers or perhaps one of the varitions on a dish-drawer and a main dishwasher.

If one one rarely entertains and or has a small household then probably one traditional dishwasher will do, but I had my druthers would love to have one of those 8700 watt heated dishwashers that could complete a cycle in under 20 minutes for holidays and other occasions that generate lots of dishes. Still don't understand why it takes one or even two hours to wash a load of dishes with today's modern dishwashers.

Commercial dishwashers are rarely a solution due to their space requirements and the fact most are really meant for "cleaning" dishes already well scraped/washed by hand.


Post# 201910 , Reply# 13   4/7/2007 at 13:12 (6,200 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

I love Miele Dishwasher's!!

I love Miele in general really LOL.

I'm stuck with my good old whirlpool dishwasher for now though :-D


Post# 201913 , Reply# 14   4/7/2007 at 13:18 (6,200 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

The image didnt work :-S

Lets try another :-D

Do I qualify for a Bobload??

Sorry about the dodgy photo, I had to resize it lol


Post# 201916 , Reply# 15   4/7/2007 at 13:20 (6,200 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

Bottom rack



Post# 201917 , Reply# 16   4/7/2007 at 13:23 (6,200 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

I even had cups and glasses in the bottom rack too lol!

Bottom Rack Side View -



Post# 201918 , Reply# 17   4/7/2007 at 13:25 (6,200 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

All Clean

Top Rack

P.S I added the Microwave Spatter guard just after I took the other pics!


Post# 201919 , Reply# 18   4/7/2007 at 13:27 (6,200 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

All Clean, Bottom Rack

Had to take the teaspoons out before I unloaded the rest, because we had run out LOL.

Sorry its a bit blurry!


Post# 201920 , Reply# 19   4/7/2007 at 13:29 (6,200 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

Does that count as a Bobload??

hehe!!

I bet Mieles could handle more than that!!



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