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Post# 201858   4/7/2007 at 10:01 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Rich and Graham visited last week and brought me this wonderful Philco Reverse Tumble Dryer. Its the first half of my dream Philco set, and Im thrilled to get it. It cleaned up pretty well, but I have not tackled the cosmetics on it yet such as removing the practical but ugly window latches that someone added to the front. ugh! I have an extra front panel but that will be a later effort.....




Post# 201859 , Reply# 1   4/7/2007 at 10:02 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

The dryer was not working, so here we go to see whats wrong with it..........first the back comes off to reveal the workings.....

Post# 201861 , Reply# 2   4/7/2007 at 10:05 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

In the bottom of the case were broken pieces of black plastic, which is a very bad sign in a Philco dryer. They were famous for breaking the blades on their fans and subsequently breaking the fan housing/shroud.


Post# 201862 , Reply# 3   4/7/2007 at 10:06 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Philco heating element removed. Its in very good shape and this dryer does not appear to have been heavily used.......

Post# 201863 , Reply# 4   4/7/2007 at 10:08 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Philco dryer drum removed.....its also in very nice shape.......

Post# 201864 , Reply# 5   4/7/2007 at 10:09 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

And so the story goes..........the fan is broken and so is the fan housing..........DAMN!

Post# 201865 , Reply# 6   4/7/2007 at 10:11 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

But, I wisely saved all the Philco parts I could find, and lo and behold I had another one! Yeah! This is from the Philco dryer that I got out of the NASTY NASTY house a year ago. For all that effort it paid off in the extra parts that I was able to save........

Post# 201866 , Reply# 7   4/7/2007 at 10:12 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Philco dryer interior light and ozone bulb. This dryer dates from 1966 and Philco only used an ozone bulb in this model.........

Post# 201870 , Reply# 8   4/7/2007 at 10:23 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Custom Imperial 3 Speed..........

Post# 201871 , Reply# 9   4/7/2007 at 10:24 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Master Control............both timed drying, Automatic sensor drying, and air fluff........

Post# 201872 , Reply# 10   4/7/2007 at 10:25 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Speed Selector............Low Air, High Air, or Reverse Tumble...........

Post# 201873 , Reply# 11   4/7/2007 at 10:31 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Philco dryer service manual..........

Post# 201874 , Reply# 12   4/7/2007 at 10:33 (6,222 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Reverse Tumble action as explained in the manual.......

Thank you VERY MUCH Rich, for thinking of me and being a good friend! Jimmy


Post# 201880 , Reply# 13   4/7/2007 at 10:46 (6,222 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Wonderful gift Jimmie! Congrats, all I can say is I know how important it is to have a new and used parts stash. My stash has saved me many-a-times.

Post# 201884 , Reply# 14   4/7/2007 at 11:23 (6,222 days old) by scoots (Chattanooga TN)        
What a beautiful machine

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If your skittish about fixing the after-market screwholes for the window latches, how about taking the panels into an auto body shop? It would take them only a few minutes to fill the hole with a weld and grind it flush. You will need to repaint the cabinet of course.

Scoots


Post# 201887 , Reply# 15   4/7/2007 at 11:32 (6,222 days old) by marukap (St. Louis)        

Thank you for a most fun and INFORMATIVE thread! The only time I've "experienced" a reversing tumble dryer was during a recent trip to France. It was made by Electrolux and when in the reverse mode there was, as I recall, no airflow. The reverse tumble period was quite short, just long enough to un-bunch the load. This was necessary since the drum was quite small.

Does the blower on your Philco operate normally and independently of the tumbler's direction? I'm guessing it does.

I've often thought it would be useful to be able to have a slower tumble speed without a reduction in fan speed so that very small loads would not stay caught up in the baffles. Is that what happens on your "Low Air" setting?

Thanks again.

Marty Kaplan


Post# 201889 , Reply# 16   4/7/2007 at 11:34 (6,222 days old) by soapnsuds ()        
How cool!

But what's all that stuff on the heating element?? Looks like someone had a BBQ!
Thanks for the gr8 pictures.

Congrats and Happy Birthday--- James


Post# 201891 , Reply# 17   4/7/2007 at 11:47 (6,222 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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What a perfect birthday gift!!!! And I thought you wanted a toaster!

Post# 201894 , Reply# 18   4/7/2007 at 11:51 (6,222 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Nice looking dryer Jimmy!

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If I were you I would replace that fan with a steel squirrel cage and not the original flyapart bakelite with no obvious reinforcing in the thermoplastic!!
What a screw up after what 100 years of fan production.

It's like the later Frigidaire 1-18 dryers where if you move the cabinet just the wrong way the drum pops off the poorly positioned rollers!


Post# 201900 , Reply# 19   4/7/2007 at 12:19 (6,222 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
An enquiry from the UK

Hi guys, browsing the threads, saw this and a childhood memory was jogged into life again.

The era would be the early to mid 1980's and concerned a machine that lived across the road from my grandma's in the north west of England. I had never seen one before and was mesmorised by it - it was a Philco-FORD washing machine and, from the looks, the dryer above would have been pretty much an exact match to it.

In the UK we had both Bendix and Philco machines sold sepeartely, but I had never seen one badged as a Philco-FORD before!

The main questions are:

what was a FORD badge doing on a washing machine sold in the UK? Or the US for that matter - I notice that it is also present on the dryer pictured above.

&

can any of you guys fill me in on what the machine I remember as a child was likely to have been (pictures would be great!).

I am pretty sure that the basic machine was based upon the more common Bendix LA, LS and combined washer-dryer LT, an advert for which I have attached - sorry that its a bit small - it was on ebay UK about six months ago and I have kicked myself many a time for not buying it.
Hey ho!

Any info on Philco-Ford and its machines would be very greatfully received, as that machine across the road was one of the more unusual machines that I encountered as a child.

Cheers
Paul


Post# 201915 , Reply# 20   4/7/2007 at 13:19 (6,222 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
That's just beautiful...

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Another broken fan chamber! Weren't all the ones we dragged off the farm broken too? Amazing. The good one you found is worth it's weight in gold now.

Now you have 1/2 of your dream set - it won't be long now...


Post# 201923 , Reply# 21   4/7/2007 at 13:32 (6,222 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Jimmy, thank you for posting the reverse tumbling information. That answered my question exactly.

Post# 201924 , Reply# 22   4/7/2007 at 13:35 (6,222 days old) by spinout (Phoenix)        

If these are common failures, I would consider reinforcing the unsupported end of the fan blades to prevent another failure. A band or wire around the periphery (under light tension) would prevent excessive flexing and subsequent failure due to centrifugal forces.

Post# 201925 , Reply# 23   4/7/2007 at 13:36 (6,222 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Congrats on your Philco acquisition, Jimmy, and thanks for the repair photos, too.

I always get tricked by the door on these dryers---makes me think it's a front-loading washer instead of a dryer.


Post# 201927 , Reply# 24   4/7/2007 at 13:48 (6,222 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Nice dryer! Now for the washer....

Post# 201932 , Reply# 25   4/7/2007 at 13:59 (6,222 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Congratulations Jimmy, that is one beautiful dryer. The other half can't be far off.

Post# 201975 , Reply# 26   4/7/2007 at 17:03 (6,222 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Damn Jimmy - these are by far one of the coolest control panels of any washer/dryer combo from the 60's! So many different colors and buttons - this dryer is a smash! Thanks for posting the service lit info about the reverse tumble feature.

Looking forward to seeing the washer next to this dryer in the near future ~

Ben


Post# 201987 , Reply# 27   4/7/2007 at 17:44 (6,222 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Didn't we discuss that a Maytag fan fits perfectly in the Philco? Maybe I am on crack, but I know that there was some brand out there that could use the Maytag fan for a replacement...

Congrats! And Happy Birthday!


Post# 201988 , Reply# 28   4/7/2007 at 17:45 (6,222 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
NOS Heating Element

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For this dryer was posted by your truly down thread. Least from the looks of the paperwork in the auction the dryer shown seems like yours.

L.


Post# 202007 , Reply# 29   4/7/2007 at 18:27 (6,222 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
a toaster???

I thought any of us would want a pair of Capri pants...for all of those "smart" dinner parties we host.....

Nice dryer, btw....


Post# 202019 , Reply# 30   4/7/2007 at 18:40 (6,222 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Great looking dryer Jimmy. I remember when they found that one, not long ago. Glad to see that it found a good home.

Post# 202074 , Reply# 31   4/7/2007 at 20:56 (6,222 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Very nice dryer! I cant imagine why they would use bakelite for the fan. It musta got off balance with lint build up and then blew apart. I have never seen anything like that. That fan looks like an old Speed Queen fan the kind that had the fan ,heater and motor and a belt to drive the fan. I just wonder how the 2 speeds for the high and low airflow were and how much air did it pull thru the drum.
I know when I had the Frigidaire dryer that had the reverse tumble feature the dryer would stop with the heater on and then reverse for something like 20 seconds and then reverse back to normal direction. That created a blast furnace effect on the load and the back of the dryer got discolored from the heat build up,.
Best of luck and let us know how you make out with the dryer.


Post# 202175 , Reply# 32   4/8/2007 at 04:52 (6,221 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

Happy Birthday, Jimmy =- what a great gift..interesting that Philco kept the Custom Imperial as their top of the line for the last few years in the laundry business. I have the 1965 book and they weren't using Ford as part of the logo then - and I recall that my friend's Custom Imperial washer didn't have the Ford logo either -yet they didn't get the washer until 1967 - perhaps they got a deal on it since the father worked for Firestone.

Ethel ( on the "checkerboard britches"): "...oh I was wondering what to wear to all those smart dinner parties I give"..

Lucy: Look, wear them with an off the shoulder peasant blouse, a big crushy belt and ballet slippers and you're all set!.

Ethel: For what, Halloween???


Post# 202180 , Reply# 33   4/8/2007 at 06:32 (6,221 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

"Id look better wearing a toaster than I would those checkerboard britches!" (from the Young & Modern dept)

Post# 202240 , Reply# 34   4/8/2007 at 12:04 (6,221 days old) by scott55405 ()        

Happy Birthday, Jimmy! You received some very nice gifts. I expect there will be some merriment at your mom's newly restored digs reminiscent of the past, replete with hot dogs, cake and ice cream, pin the tail on the donkey, and dropping clothespins into milk bottles, no? ;-)

Post# 202249 , Reply# 35   4/8/2007 at 12:27 (6,221 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Happy Birthday

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Happy Birthday Jimmy, this is a real nice Birthday present
Best Wishes
Peter


Post# 202284 , Reply# 36   4/8/2007 at 14:42 (6,221 days old) by timonator ()        
Neat!1

Jimmy I know you like your philco's and thanks to a good friend you have another addition to your collection. I like others will keep my eyes open for the "Match" and of course If I find it youll be the first to know Happy Birthday Dude

Post# 202536 , Reply# 37   4/9/2007 at 14:19 (6,220 days old) by davy1063 (Pennsylvania)        
not to change the subject or anything, but...........

HOLY COW! AN AIRWAY SANITIZOR!!!! My parents still have one of those with the little accessory holster that hangs on the handle!

I totally forgot about that thing until I saw it peeking around the corner in Post# 201862!

Davy


Post# 202546 , Reply# 38   4/9/2007 at 15:36 (6,220 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
Looks very nice Jimmy!

Happy Birthday a little late too, from one Aries to another!

Congrats on the great find!


Post# 202634 , Reply# 39   4/9/2007 at 20:56 (6,220 days old) by southernmdgeguy ()        
Another late Happy Birthday Wish

From one Philco lover to another, congrats! So cool you have the correct parts to fix it too.

Scott


Post# 202660 , Reply# 40   4/9/2007 at 22:00 (6,219 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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~What was a FORD badge doing on a washing machine sold in the UK? Or the US for that matter - I notice that it is also present on the dryer pictured above.

Did not see a direct response to this.....
but it can be seen in the pictured manual

Philco was a subsidiary of Ford.
Frigidaire was a divison or subsidiary of General Motors.
Air-Temp was a D or S of Chrysler.


Post# 202680 , Reply# 41   4/9/2007 at 22:43 (6,219 days old) by scott55405 ()        

...and Norge was Borg Warner, which I think did brakes or transmissions or some such thing. Interesting about washers and cars. I was a youngun when Ford owned Philco, and I always thought it was funny to see that car emblem on appliances.

Post# 202685 , Reply# 42   4/9/2007 at 22:51 (6,219 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
501s for your dyer.

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I just noticed the window locks in the first pic/panel holding the service/access panel closed.

I guess someone wanted easy & frequent access.


Post# 202697 , Reply# 43   4/9/2007 at 23:19 (6,219 days old) by speedqueengkc ()        
Extras

I am sorry for not keeping in touch. I have some extra stuff if you or anyone wants them. Paragraph: I like the Philco.

Post# 203071 , Reply# 44   4/11/2007 at 10:50 (6,218 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jimmy, Happy Birthday and congrats on the dryer. That is the control panel that was on our 67 Duomatic with the nice colors and a few more buttons.

For those wondering about the fan: The fan moved maximum air in one direction and a smaller amount of air in the reverse direction. When the motor paused, the heat had to shut off. With an electric element, it was not so bad, but in a gas dryer all of that relighting could waste a lot of time. That is why the speed switch was offered. High speed was tumble in only the direction where the fan moved the most air. Low speed was with the motor reversed and the fan blowing a smaller amount of air and reversing tumbling gave you both.


Post# 203742 , Reply# 45   4/13/2007 at 19:30 (6,216 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Hi Tom, thanks for the BD greetings. Yes the Philco dryer has a rather strange motor in it. Its a two speed reversing motor, but its reverse speed is slower than the fwd speed. Fwd speed is the standard 1725rpm, but reverse speed (or if LOW speed drying is selected) is approx 1475rpm. Since the fan reverses with the motor, there is almost no pitch (angle) on the fan blades. Most all fan blades in other dryers have some pitch or angle to the blades. This is why no other fan will really work in this dryer. The reverse tumbling is a very interesting concept and would probably help keep clothes from tangling. All in all, its a fabulous dryer, and Philco/Ford went all out to realy try to make a glamorous dryer, when dryers as a rule are not real exciting........

Post# 203744 , Reply# 46   4/13/2007 at 19:42 (6,216 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Fascinating details keep coming out on these gorgeous Philco machines.

Reverse tumble does help. My F&P topload dryer looks to have the same kind of blower with no pitch to the blades. I can't say for sure that the reverse on it is a slower speed, but it may be as reverse is a leeeeetle bit quieter than forward.



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