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Post# 55278   1/29/2005 at 21:55 (7,023 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        

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hey all i have im guessin a 70s hoover washer in like a harvest gold with baby yellow trim here that i want to get out of the house. who ever might want it is welcome to it all you have to do is find a way to either pick it up or have it shipped. also have a baby maytag 110 volt dryer to get rid of you can emai me at rombachcc@juno.com im in need of room for the kenmore dryer thats on its way thanks chris




Post# 55320 , Reply# 1   1/30/2005 at 11:42 (7,022 days old) by designgeek ()        


Oh my!, a 70s Hoover twin-tub, for USA mains power no less!

There are a bunch of folks in England who swear by these machines (the UK version anyway). If I'm not mistaken, the agitator is actually an impeller/pulsator that's mounted on the rear wall of the wash tub, on a horizontal axis.

My only experience using a Hoover washer was the single-tub version of this (without the spinner). Unfortunately it tangled my clothes like crazy, which is also a known factor with these Hoovers.

And yet, they are said to have a 4-minute wash cycle, which is impressive.

Can you post pictures of the interior of the wash and spin sections, and of the controls (clearly enough to read the controls, or with notes describing them)?

Also, what's the approximate weight of this?

Post# 55322 , Reply# 2   1/30/2005 at 12:10 (7,022 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Designgeek, you seem to be a twin-tub guy, you should get it!!! Hoovers are neat but I've never seen many on eBay.

Post# 55326 , Reply# 3   1/30/2005 at 12:17 (7,022 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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I've got one at my shop,that I use as a cart for air conditioners,and such.Didn't know they had a following....

kennyGF

Post# 55328 , Reply# 4   1/30/2005 at 12:39 (7,022 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

My mum and dad had a Hoover twintub for the first two years they were married. Mum said she used to hate having to stand over it constantly just getting the whole weekly wash done! But then I guess to the average non-washer enthuasiast it would have seemed a chore. That said, my mum said to me that she was also very impressed at how clean it got clothes in a matter of 5 minutes. Hotpoint UK made a twintub until about 2000. That was able to heat up to 100*C to to a true boilwash for nappies etc.

Mum replaced her twintub with an automatic in 1982; in this pic you can see the washer in the background. It was a Hoover Electronic 1100 A3110 - and was the first ever washer I sat down and watched :-D. Unfortunately we replaced it in 1996 with a s***ty Creda, but that's another story...

Jon

Post# 55387 , Reply# 5   1/31/2005 at 07:42 (7,021 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Hoover automatic

 So what went wrong with the Hoover automatic that it got replaced with the s***y Creda automatic? And what caused the demise of the Creda for the Bosch?

Post# 55409 , Reply# 6   1/31/2005 at 09:14 (7,021 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Jaune,

I'm not sure as to why it got replaced (I was only 8 at the time), but I can always ask my mum why when I see her tonight. We left the Creda with the house when we moved in 1998; which was when we got an awful Hotpoint washer. We would have taken the Creda with us; but we didn't have a house for a couple months (we moved in with my grandparents for a while) and the people moving into our old house were first time buyers, so we came to agreement with them that they could have our washer, cooker, and fridge freezer. However we kept the Hotpoint dryer (we used it at my nana's while were staying there - she doesn't have a dryer) and the Hoover dishwasher, as the Hoover dishwasher was an expensive model when we bought it in 1990. We replaced the Hotpoint washer with the Bosch in early 2003 when it had got to the extent where we had spent more on repairing the Hotpoint than what we paid for it in the first place. Unfortunately the Hotpoint was an example of how awful their quality had demised. The 1989 Hotpoint dryer got replaced with a Bosch a year ago; due to a dryer fire.

I wish mum kept that Hoover - contains a lot of my childhood memories. Best washer I've ever seen as well, I bet if my mum kept it it'll still be working to this day. Unfortunately at the age of 8 the appliance decisions were beyond my control :-(.

BTW both the Hotpoint and Creda washers we had were of the same design internally, and were very unreliable for our family who use washing machines quite heavily, in the sense of frequency, not abuse (we're a family of 5). However, both sets of my grandparents have Hotpoints, used only 2 or 3 times a week, and they are still going strong after 12 and 9 years respectively. Unfortunately nowadays Hotpoint machines are made by Ariston/Indesit in Italy and have really gone downhill... they now have an average life expectancy of 3 years, which just isn't on!

Jon

Post# 55411 , Reply# 7   1/31/2005 at 09:17 (7,021 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Jaune,

I'm not sure as to why it got replaced (I was only 8 at the time), but I can always ask my mum why when I see her tonight. We left the Creda with the house when we moved in 1998; which was when we got an awful Hotpoint washer. We would have taken the Creda with us; but we didn't have a house for a couple months (we moved in with my grandparents for a while) and the people moving into our old house were first time buyers, so we came to agreement with them that they could have our washer, cooker, and fridge freezer. However we kept the Hotpoint dryer (we used it at my nana's while were staying there - she doesn't have a dryer) and the Hoover dishwasher, as the Hoover dishwasher was an expensive model when we bought it in 1990. We replaced the Hotpoint washer with the Bosch in early 2003 when it had got to the extent where we had spent more on repairing the Hotpoint than what we paid for it in the first place. Unfortunately the Hotpoint was an example of how awful their quality had demised. The 1989 Hotpoint dryer got replaced with a Bosch a year ago; due to a dryer fire.

I wish mum kept that Hoover - contains a lot of my childhood memories. Best washer I've ever seen as well, I bet if my mum kept it it'll still be working to this day. Unfortunately at the age of 8 the appliance decisions were beyond my control :-(.

BTW both the Hotpoint and Creda washers we had were of the same design internally, and were very unreliable for our family who use washing machines quite heavily, in the sense of frequency, not abuse (we're a family of 5). However, both sets of my grandparents have Hotpoints, used only 2 or 3 times a week, and they are still going strong after 12 and 9 years respectively. Unfortunately nowadays Hotpoint machines are made by Ariston/Indesit in Italy and have really gone downhill... they now have an average life expectancy of 3 years, which just isn't on!

Jon

Post# 55412 , Reply# 8   1/31/2005 at 09:22 (7,021 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Jaune,

I'm not sure as to why it got replaced (I was only 8 at the time), but I can always ask my mum why when I see her tonight. We left the Creda with the house when we moved in 1998; which was when we got an awful Hotpoint washer. We would have taken the Creda with us; but we didn't have a house for a couple months (we moved in with my grandparents for a while) and the people moving into our old house were first time buyers, so we came to agreement with them that they could have our washer, cooker, and fridge freezer. However we kept the Hotpoint dryer (we used it at my nana's while were staying there - she doesn't have a dryer) and the Hoover dishwasher, as the Hoover dishwasher was an expensive model when we bought it in 1990. We replaced the Hotpoint washer with the Bosch in early 2003 when it had got to the extent where we had spent more on repairing the Hotpoint than what we paid for it in the first place. Unfortunately the Hotpoint was an example of how awful their quality had demised. The 1989 Hotpoint dryer got replaced with a Bosch a year ago; due to a dryer fire.

I wish mum kept that Hoover - contains a lot of my childhood memories. Best washer I've ever seen as well, I bet if my mum kept it it'll still be working to this day. Unfortunately at the age of 8 the appliance decisions were beyond my control :-(.

BTW both the Hotpoint and Creda washers we had were of the same design internally, and were very unreliable for our family who use washing machines quite heavily, in the sense of frequency, not abuse (we're a family of 5). However, both sets of my grandparents have Hotpoints, used only 2 or 3 times a week, and they are still going strong after 12 and 9 years respectively. Unfortunately nowadays Hotpoint machines are made by Ariston/Indesit in Italy and have really gone downhill... they now have an average life expectancy of 3 years, which just isn't on!

Jon

Post# 55416 , Reply# 9   1/31/2005 at 09:32 (7,021 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Jaune,

I'm not sure as to why it got replaced (I was only 8 at the time), but I can always ask my mum why when I see her tonight. We left the Creda with the house when we moved in 1998; which was when we got an awful Hotpoint washer. We would have taken the Creda with us; but we didn't have a house for a couple months (we moved in with my grandparents for a while) and the people moving into our old house were first time buyers, so we came to agreement with them that they could have our washer, cooker, and fridge freezer. However we kept the Hotpoint dryer (we used it at my nana's while were staying there - she doesn't have a dryer) and the Hoover dishwasher, as the Hoover dishwasher was an expensive model when we bought it in 1990. We replaced the Hotpoint washer with the Bosch in early 2003 when it had got to the extent where we had spent more on repairing the Hotpoint than what we paid for it in the first place. Unfortunately the Hotpoint was an example of how awful their quality had demised. The 1989 Hotpoint dryer got replaced with a Bosch a year ago; due to a dryer fire.

I wish mum kept that Hoover - contains a lot of my childhood memories. Best washer I've ever seen as well, I bet if my mum kept it it'll still be working to this day. Unfortunately at the age of 8 the appliance decisions were beyond my control :-(.

BTW both the Hotpoint and Creda washers we had were of the same design internally, and were very unreliable for our family who use washing machines quite heavily, in the sense of frequency, not abuse (we're a family of 5). However, both sets of my grandparents have Hotpoints, used only 2 or 3 times a week, and they are still going strong after 12 and 9 years respectively. Unfortunately nowadays Hotpoint machines are made by Ariston/Indesit in Italy and have really gone downhill... they now have an average life expectancy of 3 years, which just isn't on!

Jon

Post# 55420 , Reply# 10   1/31/2005 at 09:39 (7,021 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Jaune,

I'm not sure as to why it got replaced (I was only 8 at the time), but I can always ask my mum why when I see her tonight. We left the Creda with the house when we moved in 1998; which was when we got an awful Hotpoint washer. We would have taken the Creda with us; but we didn't have a house for a couple months (we moved in with my grandparents for a while) and the people moving into our old house were first time buyers, so we came to agreement with them that they could have our washer, cooker, and fridge freezer. However we kept the Hotpoint dryer (we used it at my nana's while were staying there - she doesn't have a dryer) and the Hoover dishwasher, as the Hoover dishwasher was an expensive model when we bought it in 1990. We replaced the Hotpoint washer with the Bosch in early 2003 when it had got to the extent where we had spent more on repairing the Hotpoint than what we paid for it in the first place. Unfortunately the Hotpoint was an example of how awful their quality had demised. The 1989 Hotpoint dryer got replaced with a Bosch a year ago; due to a dryer fire.

I wish mum kept that Hoover - contains a lot of my childhood memories. Best washer I've ever seen as well, I bet if my mum kept it it'll still be working to this day. Unfortunately at the age of 8 the appliance decisions were beyond my control :-(.

BTW both the Hotpoint and Creda washers we had were of the same design internally, and were very unreliable for our family who use washing machines quite heavily, in the sense of frequency, not abuse (we're a family of 5). However, both sets of my grandparents have Hotpoints, used only 2 or 3 times a week, and they are still going strong after 12 and 9 years respectively. Unfortunately nowadays Hotpoint machines are made by Ariston/Indesit in Italy and have really gone downhill... they now have an average life expectancy of 3 years, which just isn't on!

Jon

Post# 55423 , Reply# 11   1/31/2005 at 09:45 (7,021 days old) by designgeek ()        

Westy, I've already got a functional twintub and don't have space for another. Also still have the TL that came with the house (of course it's property of the landlord or the rental management agency), which is still useful.

Though I suppose if I had the time, I'd probably buy these things & refurbish them & sell them to friends who are looking for high-efficiency washers at low cost. Though on the other hand, I think the tangle-factor with any pulsator impeller designs is going to be an issue in the USA.

I wonder if that would have been a problem if Hoover had mounted on on each side of the washtub. Then you'd get a cylindrical flow on a horizontal axis, rather than a whirlpool flow on a horizontal axis. That might solve the tangling problem.

Hmm, I suppose one could always build a scale model for testing purposes and see what happens.

In fact, I think this could get very interesting. An impeller on each side of a U-shaped tub, mounted toward the bottom of the tub, i.e. concentric with the bottom of the "U" in the semicircular side wall. With proper ribs in the metal or plastic tub, to direct water upward, this could provide the kind of flow pattern you could otherwise get only from something like a ladder-chain (and of course an actual ladder-chain isn't practical for a washer, would shred clothes and also take peoples' hands off). That in turn would enable a much larger capacity in a given square footage of machine footprint. Hmm.

Post# 55427 , Reply# 12   1/31/2005 at 10:39 (7,021 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Jaune,

I'm not sure as to why it got replaced (I was only 8 at the time), but I can always ask my mum why when I see her tonight. We left the Creda with the house when we moved in 1998; which was when we got an awful Hotpoint washer. We would have taken the Creda with us; but we didn't have a house for a couple months (we moved in with my grandparents for a while) and the people moving into our old house were first time buyers, so we came to agreement with them that they could have our washer, cooker, and fridge freezer. However we kept the Hotpoint dryer (we used it at my nana's while were staying there - she doesn't have a dryer) and the Hoover dishwasher, as the Hoover dishwasher was an expensive model when we bought it in 1990. We replaced the Hotpoint washer with the Bosch in early 2003 when it had got to the extent where we had spent more on repairing the Hotpoint than what we paid for it in the first place. Unfortunately the Hotpoint was an example of how awful their quality had demised. The 1989 Hotpoint dryer got replaced with a Bosch a year ago; due to a dryer fire.

I wish mum kept that Hoover - contains a lot of my childhood memories. Best washer I've ever seen as well, I bet if my mum kept it it'll still be working to this day. Unfortunately at the age of 8 the appliance decisions were beyond my control :-(.

BTW both the Hotpoint and Creda washers we had were of the same design internally, and were very unreliable for our family who use washing machines quite heavily, in the sense of frequency, not abuse (we're a family of 5). However, both sets of my grandparents have Hotpoints, used only 2 or 3 times a week, and they are still going strong after 12 and 9 years respectively. Unfortunately nowadays Hotpoint machines are made by Ariston/Indesit in Italy and have really gone downhill... they now have an average life expectancy of 3 years, which just isn't on!

Jon

Post# 55428 , Reply# 13   1/31/2005 at 10:42 (7,021 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Argh... multiple posting *again*.

Is anyone else having trouble with this at the moment?

A lot of old people here still prefer the twin tubs, and there's been quite a stir especially within the elderly community about it. This is especially the case in the shop where I work; it is surrounded by 2 up-2 down terraces, and a lot of people don't have permanent connection for a washing machine, and instead roll out the twin tub to the sink to wash their clothes, then roll it back again and use it as a worktop when its not being used.

Jon

Post# 55558 , Reply# 14   2/1/2005 at 08:15 (7,020 days old) by designgeek ()        


Jon, "quite a stir within the elderly community..."...? Could you explain more? And has that had an effect on what the manufacturers are producing now?

Post# 55572 , Reply# 15   2/1/2005 at 10:03 (7,020 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Designgeek;

There's been quite a stir as twin tubs are no longer being manufactured, and haven't been since 2000 when Hotpoint discontinued their twin tub design. Of course, the elderly people just won't budge to automatic machines as a) they don't have the plumbing facilities and don't want to pay a plumber quite a bit of money to put some in, and b) they still believe that their twin tub beats any automatic out there.

Of course, nowadays the manufacturers don't want to listen to customers and just focus on machines which they can cheaply produce in bulk and make as much profit as possible from in mass production. Also, it is pretty co-incidental that as soon as Hotpoint and Hoover (the main twin-tub manufacturers) were bought out by Italian companies, their twin tubs "suddenly" went off the market.

However, we have seen an increase in sales of twin tub parts; maybe a sign that people are trying to keep them running as long as possible. There has also become a shortage of twin tubs in second hand appliance shops due to the demand.

Jon

Post# 55671 , Reply# 16   2/2/2005 at 00:31 (7,020 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Portable washers

 So there are no small "roll-around" automatic washers on the market there like we have here?

Post# 55692 , Reply# 17   2/2/2005 at 06:34 (7,019 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Jaune,

They have the likes of this on the market, but look at the price tag... bearing in mind full size automatics start at around £180.

Jon

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Post# 55706 , Reply# 18   2/2/2005 at 09:08 (7,019 days old) by designgeek ()        

Here in the USA we have a pretty wide range of compact automatics for apartments and other tight spaces. Most are by various Asian manufacturers e.g. Haier (most with pulsator/impellers, some e.g. Danby with agitators), but there are also Whirlpool, Kenmore, et. al (most of those with agitators). Also we have two twinnies available here, Danby and Haier, both made in China, the former with an agitator, the latter with a pulsator/impeller. Any sign of any of those in the UK?

Here's a question. It appears, based on some stuff on the new website in England, that Hoover was the originaor of the pulsator/impeller, in their Hoovermatics, so, by implication, the various Asian manufacturers who make them now, have followed after Hoover. Is this correct, or is there evidence of a pulsator/impeller in any machine previous to Hoover?

Post# 55806 , Reply# 19   2/3/2005 at 02:16 (7,019 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
compact washer cost

 Yep, we had the same situation here where a compact automatic, at least the ones from US manufacturers, cost as much or more than a BOL full-size automatic. But that's the sacrifice people had to make in order to have automatic washing in your own apartment or other space that wouldn't accomodate or had the hook-ups for a regular washer

Post# 55832 , Reply# 20   2/3/2005 at 09:08 (7,018 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Kenmore,

I forgot all about these in my previous post - these sort of "compact" washers are getting more common nowadays - H axis toploaders. I think even some versions such as Bosch's roll around for portability. Same height/depth as a standard FL, but are only 45cm wide.

Jon

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Post# 55930 , Reply# 21   2/4/2005 at 08:46 (7,017 days old) by designgeek ()        


Jon- Very interesting. So if I understand what's depicted in your link there, is's a horizontal axis top loader, presumably with a hatch in the side of the drum, and with a highspeed spin. Now if only they would put windows on those so you can see what's going on in there.

Question is, do you know of any horizontal axis top loaders with programmable or manual cycle controls, i.e. the ability to set wash and rinse times, number of rinse cycles, include or omit spin cycles, and so on?

Post# 55945 , Reply# 22   2/4/2005 at 10:39 (7,017 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Designgeek,

Not to that extent. Basically H-axis TL's have the same controls/programmes as standard front loaders, just you access the drum via a hatch at the top rather than through the door on the front.

Most of these washers have "extra rinse" options that will perform an extra rinse. Most washers now also have a choice of "short" (approx 1hr) or "normal" wash times.

Jon

Post# 56008 , Reply# 23   2/4/2005 at 21:47 (7,017 days old) by Jdinstl ()        
Small World!!!

 Hey there chris!!!!

:-)

John

Post# 56027 , Reply# 24   2/5/2005 at 05:04 (7,017 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
More H-axis toploaders

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Designgeek,

There is more about H-axis toploaders in the Dyson thread in the Deluxe forum.

Louis

Post# 56224 , Reply# 25   2/7/2005 at 09:09 (7,014 days old) by designgeek ()        

Cool, maybe we should start an H-axis TL topic..?

I think the reason compacts from major makers have tended to cost more is that they are produced in smaller numbers than the main product lines. They also require significantly different components, whereas components for full-size machines are often interchangeable throughout the product line. However we're starting to see inexpensive Asian compacts, from such makers as Avanti, Danby, Haier, and Koblenz (the latter's BOL models have gravity drain, which is a bit too manual even for me!); plus Danby's affordable compact FL made in Slovenia, plus probably a few more I can't think of at the moment.

When you say 1 hour for short cycle, what's the regular cycle? I occasionally see people here complaining about 90 minute FL cycles. The large-capacity FLs I've used in local laundromats typically have a 45-minute cycle. My Hotpoint TL has about a 25-minute cycle (only one rinse though), and my Danby twin-tub is variable depending on the settings I use. So apparently there's quite a range.

In any case, I can't imagine someone just pressing a button and leaving the house, even if the cycle runs two hours. There's always a risk that something will go wrong, and sticking within earshot assures you can intervene. Or, do people really leave the house while their laundry is in?

Post# 56251 , Reply# 26   2/7/2005 at 11:44 (7,014 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Coin laundry washers typically have a wash cycle that clocks in under 30 minutes without filling time. A Wascomat's cycle length is 23.5 minutes without filling. Whirlpool tops are a 23 min cycle also.

I typically leave the house or go to bed with my washer/dryer/dishwasher running.

Post# 56273 , Reply# 27   2/7/2005 at 13:59 (7,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Not very often but sometimes I put on the washer before I leave the house. The dishwasher has a timer, I sometimes use it to start the dishwasher late in the afternoon so it's finished by the time I get home.

Post# 56283 , Reply# 28   2/7/2005 at 15:10 (7,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I created a thread in the Deluxe forum about H-axis toploaders.

Post# 56285 , Reply# 29   2/7/2005 at 15:19 (7,014 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
When it says

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I ALWAYS leave the house!

I just did my first "hidden" load in the Philco-Bendix. Hit the on button and went out running errands. All was done and dry when i got home. Although I did picture the house burning down while I was out but these are the risks of Automatic Laundry and Dishcleaning!!!

Its a dangerous hobby to be sure.

Jet

Post# 56286 , Reply# 30   2/7/2005 at 15:20 (7,014 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
WOW THAT LAST HEADER dropped the word

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AUTOMATIC
I put it in quotes to emphasize it and it dropped it completely

It should have read When it says AUTOMATIC......

Lesson learned.

Post# 56425 , Reply# 31   2/8/2005 at 10:12 (7,013 days old) by designgeek ()        

I'm surprised; I've never left the house with anything running that uses significant power and/or water, aside from the fridge and the hot water heater. When I was using laundromats a lot, I would occasionally put a load in and then scoot off to fetch the mail or something, and always get back before it was done; but that exception is because it's a public place with someone watching.

Though on one occasion I ran into a laundromat machine that wasn't filling with water, which meant waiting it out and re-running the cycle in another machine. Had I gone out while that was going on, I would have come back to slightly damp clothes with bits of detergent in them and wondered what had happened.


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