Thread Number: 12110
Heated Pre-Wash on My Vintage Miele W1070 - Who Knew |
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Post# 213924   6/3/2007 at 05:07 (6,143 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Had several loads of linens to launder yesterday including some tablecloths with the usual food/drink stains. As anyone who owns a European front loader knows, cycles can be rather long so thought would use the pre-wash function of my Miele W1070 when doing linens. This way could allow the washer to fill with hot water from the taps instead of cold and get to the target uber wash temp faster, as one needed to kick things up a notch to surely shift the food/drink stains without pre-spotting. Any who, loaded the machine up with aforementioned soiled tablecloths, and put detergent along with oxygen bleach (main wash only)into the proper compartments, then set the controls. For those that are not familiar with Miele washers, mine has two types of pre-washes. One is part of the normal cycle for cottons, permanent press, and delicates where the machine will do a pre-wash, drain then advance to the main wash. Tumble rhythm is the same as for main wash cycles. The other is called "Extended Pre-Wash" which is really a soak cycle as the machine uses gobs of water (about 10 or so gallons), but only tumbles half way about every 30 seconds or so. On the later one new the machine heated water as it is designed to shift stains from badly soiled linens and nursery items. The manual for my machine states that the wash action is kept gentle because of the enzymes used in pre-soaking products (which are recommended for this cycle), will do the cleaning. For the main pre-wash one assumed the machine did not heat water, and therefore left the temp dail set to the desired setting for the main wash cycle. Well imagine my surprise as the washer began to drain the pre-wash water and it was quite warm. Checking the washer's thermostat (ok, moving the temp knob down until the thermostat clicks), found the water was about 110F. Dial was set to 160F, so one wonders if the cycle was longer would the machine have kept heating until it reached the selected temperature. Know the incoming water was cold as I checked before starting the cycle, and used my fingers to feel the water as it entered the dispenser drawer. Guess from now on will have to leave the temp knob set to naught for the pre-wash and change things when the main wash cycle starts. Miele, yet again you amaze me. Not too shabby for a machine built "back in the day". L. |
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Post# 213929 , Reply# 2   6/3/2007 at 06:36 (6,143 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Yes, washing machines of that era (including my Miele), began to take note of the "new" enzyme products (mainly pre-soaks and detergent boosters), that were coming onto the market. Today most all but the lowest tier detergents contain enzymes, so long pre-soaks and or pre-washes are not required. Indeed if one is starting the wash with cold or warm water, and letting the unit heat to hot (if required for bleaching), then there really isn't a need for pre-washing in all but the most extreme cases. Miele tells of this in why they stopped making the pre-wash cycle default in the normal cycles for cottons, permanent press and delicates, but rather now a separate "add on" cycle. L. |
Post# 214039 , Reply# 3   6/3/2007 at 17:15 (6,142 days old) by cbosch ()   |   | |
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could you post a picture of your vintage miele Laundress ( is our washer a european model or an american moel??) Thanks |
Post# 214047 , Reply# 4   6/3/2007 at 17:35 (6,142 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 214201 , Reply# 5   6/4/2007 at 06:02 (6,142 days old) by lavamat78800 ()   |   | |
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Well, all Miele washers are produced in Germany but Miele dryers are produced in Czech. |
Post# 214254 , Reply# 6   6/4/2007 at 13:30 (6,141 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Launderess, I don't know about the newer Mieles, but the older ones always had a heated prewash. I never measured the temperature of the outcoming water, but mine heats the water only to a lukewarm temperature, could be 30*C or a bit higher. My AEG has a cold prewash (and a separate soak cycle that is heated). I love your machine, it's a very versatile one. My mother had an older Miele, a W423. That one also was a three controls model, Miele changed some settings on the cycle selector a few times. My mother's had two settings for cottons and for permanent press, more and less tumbling during the heating part of the cycle. Later Miele the second settings of both cycles were for cycles without prewash and other models had shorter whites and permanent press cycles. What does your Miele have for options on the cycle selector? Louis |
Post# 214323 , Reply# 7   6/4/2007 at 21:28 (6,141 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 214384 , Reply# 9   6/5/2007 at 08:07 (6,140 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Will see what I can do about posting a close up snap of the control panel. Maybe awhile as do not have a digital camera handy. Steve, no that isn't another dispenser port, just the owner's manual. As for the Miele 1070 up North, you'd be surprised how many of these units, and their glass window door brothers, 1065 are still out there. When ever I speak with a Miele tech/repair person they say calls come in all the time for parts and such for these models. Customers just love them and the units simply cannot be killed. True work horses they are, and since they are mechanically timed (with electronics), not much really can go wrong. Well taken care of such washers can last 20 or more years, and have done so happily chugging along. L. |
Post# 690959 , Reply# 10   7/21/2013 at 15:08 (3,902 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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VivaLaLavatrice,
I have 02 80's machines, a Servis Sapphire 1300 Washer Dryer 9635 & a Servis Quartz 1000RPM AutoWasher 6036 (Pic below). They both are the same machine pretty much, only one's a Washer Dryer, the other one's not, the only other main difference is the fascia style. Both have a Bio Wash, & the PreWash options, & they both have a special "Mixed Wash" cycle, which on these two machines operates as follows. Servis Sapphire 1300 Washer Dryer 9635 for example! 01. Fills to high water level. 02. Heats water to 030°C, with delicate agitation, 025RPM (Maybe). 03. Wash for 010 mins, delicate agitation. 04. Soak for 04 hrs (01 tumble per 01 min). 05. WashSpin 095RPM. 06. Rinse 01, high water level, delicate agitation. 07. RinseSpin 01, 095RPM, with a 6000RPM burst. 08. Rinse 02, high water level, delicate agitation. 09. RinseSpin 02, 095RPM, with a 6000RPM burst. 10. Rinse 03, high water level, Delicate agitation, softener added (where added). 11. SpinDry, 095RPM, increases to 600RPM. 12. Commence of selected drying time, or End of Cycle. I've used this Mixed Wash cycle numerous times on the Sapphire, each load has come out completely free of stains, except one load. CLICK HERE TO GO TO HooverZanMiele's LINK |
Post# 690960 , Reply# 11   7/21/2013 at 15:09 (3,902 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 691091 , Reply# 12   7/22/2013 at 02:55 (3,902 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Most almost all of FLs from me used heated water during prewash....about 30°c 40°c unless temp dial was set on cold... even when setting Boilwash the Pre-wash cycle would always heat about at 30°c-40°c... This post was last edited 07/22/2013 at 03:42 |