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Thread Number: 12178
New TL WP/KM/MYTG OPINIONS? |
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Post# 214755 , Reply# 2 6/7/2007 at 03:25 (6,165 days old) by panthera  (Rocky Mountains) |
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William
I think SS is always a step forward. But as for the rest; if you really want to stick with TLs, then you would be much better off getting your 1997 machine repaired and keep her running than to buy any of the new junk on the market right now. I think enough folks have posted enough info on the newer US made (or marketed) TLs over that last years that it is not arrogant or rude for me to point out that the quality just isn't there anymore. Your 1997 was one of the last of the decent machines...ten years on, well, the managers running the firms have a "screw the customer, screw the shareholders" mentality going which is scary. Just compare any new US built TL with even a Merloni or Bauknecht product on the sales floor. The only real development and decent build quality in the US these days is going into FLs. The firms have already written the TLs off, there will be no more effort to bring back good quality. Is there a reason you especially want to stick with TLs? I'm curious, I admit. The extra washing time in FLs drove me crazy when I first came to Europe, but, gosh - the results really blew me away. | ||
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Post# 214767 , Reply# 4 6/7/2007 at 05:37 (6,165 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Liam,
I looked long and hard at US TLs in 2000 and again in 2005. I know my opinions are very strong compared to folks who only live in North America, but believe me - when you don't see the stuff day in, day out you notice the drop in quality. It shows up in things like the little spring loaded clamp they used to use on the knops - it held them tightly to the shaft and also kept them from splintering. Gone. Or the Shout! resistant top coat on the control panels. Gone. Sometimes there, sometimes not. Or the pretty tight quality control. Now they just build in what is delivered (the Japanese trust system, without the quality). One batch may be outstanding, one terrible. Proof I am not just talking through my ass? Look at the Bauknecht (Whirpool) recalls of the last years. That dratted heating element problem keeps coming up... The sheet metal processing - despite the claims that Whirlpool invented all this thousands of years ago - is very poor compared to what you saw in the last century. Nope, sorry. I know the modern Whirlpool fans are absolutely certain their "brand" is the best on earth and European detractors are traitors, but the best than can be said is: At least they aren't Amananananatags. Yet. | ||
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Post# 214900 , Reply# 6 6/7/2007 at 20:30 (6,164 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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My additional two cents...
The quality is lacking across the board as far the the "American-made" appliances. I had it in my mind when I replaced all of my appliance that the higher end/higher cost Kenmore models would be of higher quality and would have better service. WRONG!!! The $1,500 washer is made out of the same plastic crap and poor engineering as the $200 machine. Recently I have acquired two vintage machines; a Westinghouse TL and an early 80's Lady Kenmore. Those two machines HANDS DOWN knock the socks off of anything new out there now. In the future I am only using vintage appliances and will maintain them as best I can because they WERE built to last. I won't bother with anything new again. Just my experience if it's worth anything. Thanks for listening. Jon | ||
| Post# 214975 , Reply# 7 6/8/2007 at 09:18 (6,163 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 215024 , Reply# 9 6/8/2007 at 16:26 (6,163 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Gotta Love Dat Vintage
Will agree that washers evenfrom the 1980's for the most part punch the clocks off most of the new things out there. Proof of this is the fact one finds many of such units either at the curb,or dumpster but in very good condition. Even when the condition is poor the units themselves still work and or would work with some minor work. More often than not, someone decided to junk the older appliance for new, thinking they would get a better machine. Ha! Often also some small thing causes a machine not to work correctly, and owners assume the thing is junk. Things such as a sock or some small object caught in the pump. One good thing about vintage machines is that they were built and designed to be repaired. Unlike today's garbarge offerings where the unit has a lifespan of about 6 years, so why bother putting in parts/systems that can be replaced if needed. L. | ||
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