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Post# 217295 6/21/2007 at 07:55 (6,147 days old) by countryguy  (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Hi Everyone, Over the past 3 years I have replaced all my appliances (washer, dryer, stove, fridge, freezer, microwave) and now it is time to replace the dishwasher. I was wondering which make/model everyone would choose and why? Do stainless steel interiors make a big difference? I currently have a '91 Maytag and have never had a problem with it, although lately it is making louder noises and holes on the spray arms always seems to be getting clogged. I been thinking of either another Maytage or KitchenAid or Miele. I like Miele because they are so quiet and have the separate cutlery rack but they are expensive. Thanks, Gary | ||
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Post# 217296 , Reply# 1 6/21/2007 at 07:56 (6,147 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 217496 , Reply# 3 6/22/2007 at 07:39 (6,146 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Passatdoc, Thanks for the info. After reading your praise on the Bosch, I did some investigation and here in Canada the lowest end model starts at close to $1,000 at Sears. Unfortunately the features I like (fold down tines in the upper and lower baskets, fold down cup shelf, etc.) are only found on the higher end models which are in the $1500 and up range. Gary | ||
| Post# 217535 , Reply# 4 6/22/2007 at 09:53 (6,146 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 217553 , Reply# 6 6/22/2007 at 12:27 (6,146 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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I just checked out www.kitchenaid.ca... and it looks like the prices here in Canada range from $899 to $1699. Wow, the prices for Bosch are much less in the USA than up here. I'm heading to Chicago tomorrow - too bad I wasn't driving a van or else I would pick up one especially now that our dollar is at an all time high. Gary | ||
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Post# 217565 , Reply# 7 6/22/2007 at 13:49 (6,146 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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cutlery racks
I paid extra for the cutlery basket and gave the damn rack away to friends after using it in my Miele exactly once. Oh, it got stuff clean, alright. But a bigger pain in the ass to load and unload I have never seen. Don't make that a pre-condition for buying anything. Miele over here in Europe is expensive, but nowhere near the snobbery and obscene pricing you find in the US. They are aiming for a market in the 'States which is very much different to here. Here, people of equivalant wealth and "taste" go for designer kitchens which have even more expensive appliances - of much lesser value than Miele. Sort of like the poor folks who buy Jenn-Air in the US thinking they are getting the very best. I don't recall ever having a plastic tub crack or break, stainless steel is just somehow nicer. Peter, can you give any specific reasons as to why a Non-tall-tub Whirlpool is just as good as a Bosch or Miele or "real" Kitchen-Aid (I mean the machines built by Hobart). | ||
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Post# 217647 , Reply# 9 6/22/2007 at 18:52 (6,146 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Gary, since you're in Canada, I'll tell ya this. I have the U.S. version of the Canadian Kenmore Elite 223.613.782 tall tub, I found on the Sars.CA site. It has survived every BobLoad I've thrown at it. I've been extremely pleased, surprised, and impressed. It even holds more than my old PotScrubber. I use the Sanirinse option and heated dry and even my disposeable plastics come out completely dry the next morning. I think of all the tall tub Whirlpool cousins, the Kenmore Elite is the best option. It's very quiet too. Bob (of BobLoad fame).
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Post# 217724 , Reply# 11 6/23/2007 at 05:16 (6,145 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I can't say enough good things about my TOL Maytag. Cleans anything you throw at it----even the 20-minute InstaWash cycle does a very well. Solidly built and loading is amazingly flexible, including the option of (easily) pulling out the upper rack to wash huge items. It's quiet, but not as silent as a Bosch. I have the 2-rack tall tub model. No problem with cleaning in upper rack as with some tall tub brands. I wouldn't bother with the gimmicky 3-rack model. I've had mine almost two years. It has taken punishing use (I cook a lot and have company in for dinner frequently) and hasn't given me a bit of trouble. | ||
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Post# 218021 , Reply# 13 6/24/2007 at 20:14 (6,144 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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It even holds more than my old PotScrubber | ||
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Post# 218041 , Reply# 14 6/24/2007 at 21:05 (6,144 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Gary, I"m sure I've seen a Bosch dw at Sears for around $800 Cdn and at other stores as well. You can get Mieles for deals possibly after the Ex, we got ours after Stampede a few years ago for little more than $1000 "after show specials" The little appliance dealer up the street from me had a beautiful SS Miele on clearance last fall, near TOL for about $1200.. Otherwise you might do better buying a Bosch in Buffalo, if it's made in the US then there is no duty bringing it back into Canada, just the dollar difference and taxes.
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Post# 218301 , Reply# 15 6/25/2007 at 22:31 (6,143 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 219324 , Reply# 16 6/29/2007 at 02:07 (6,140 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA) | ||
Kitchenaid and Kenmores
I like Kitchenaid and Kenmore,higher end models. I like them because the are easy to load. Big bowels,frying pans,casserole dishes. I like the long silverware baskets in the front. I have had both and they both clean very well. I always choose a model with sani cycle. I do stay away from dishwashers with the "tower" to wash the top rack. It is a pain to have work around the center of the bottom rack for loading.
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Post# 219392 , Reply# 17 6/29/2007 at 10:36 (6,139 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 219456 , Reply# 18 6/29/2007 at 19:30 (6,139 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 219466 , Reply# 19 6/29/2007 at 20:29 (6,139 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 219826 , Reply# 20 7/1/2007 at 10:40 (6,137 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 219950 , Reply# 21 7/1/2007 at 23:10 (6,137 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 220018 , Reply# 22 7/2/2007 at 09:52 (6,136 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 220232 , Reply# 24 7/3/2007 at 08:03 (6,135 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 220349 , Reply# 25 7/3/2007 at 16:39 (6,135 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 220537 , Reply# 26 7/4/2007 at 07:00 (6,134 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 221208 , Reply# 28 7/7/2007 at 12:48 (6,131 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 221214 , Reply# 29 7/7/2007 at 13:21 (6,131 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 221222 , Reply# 30 7/7/2007 at 14:03 (6,131 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Well I am going to correct your description due to real experience. There is a purge between main wash & final rinse on my New Kenmo Elite. A regular fill is 1:40. The purge fill is 50 seconds. The pump circulation is 15 to 20 seconds. Leslie has told me frankly, contrary to all of y'all popular belief, the dish load is being sprayed and rinsed during those 20 seconds. And that is enough time for spray arms to revolve 3 or 4 times. | ||
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Post# 221223 , Reply# 31 7/7/2007 at 14:05 (6,131 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 221225 , Reply# 33 7/7/2007 at 14:42 (6,131 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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My KUDS22 (which has now gone to live with my sister) does a 15 second (I think) fill, circulates for remainder of the 1.5 min increment. That's enough water to dribble from the wash arm, but it does not spray on the dishes nor does the arm rotate. It fills a little more (5 to 7 seconds) when the timer increments to drain. I never found performance objectionable, but then I never tried running an extra rinse for comparison. The upper rack does suffer vinyl separation/rusting as Tom describes, but it did go more than 5 years before that started. Or maybe I didn't notice it until later.
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| Post# 221238 , Reply# 34 7/7/2007 at 16:09 (6,131 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Hey Bob, our kuds23080 works just as Glenn described, i honestly do not think there is enough water to spray, in fact this purge process makes more racket, a rumbling sound than, any other part of the cycle. | ||
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Post# 221272 , Reply# 35 7/7/2007 at 20:27 (6,131 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 226134 , Reply# 37 7/30/2007 at 07:29 (6,108 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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Tom........
-It gave enough circulation to at least wash some of the detergent off the load before the only rinse. Fortunately, the pump out was long enough to handle it. It is no wonder that those machines had the vinyl degrade on the side bars at the top of the upper rack so that the steel underneath started rusting in a few years, less than 5 in some cases. So are you saying that the detergent ate away the plastic on the rack? This is the problem that I am having with my KUDS22 upper rack. | ||
| Post# 226199 , Reply# 39 7/30/2007 at 14:17 (6,108 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Hi Marc, I have about the same story as you with my GE Profile, model 8280. I was told the same thing about the water usuage and tend to believe it. Sometimes no matter what the brand there are "lemons" out there and I think we just happened to get them. | ||
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Post# 227332 , Reply# 41 8/3/2007 at 13:08 (6,104 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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Thanks | ||
| Post# 227731 , Reply# 42 8/4/2007 at 21:19 (6,103 days old) by rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Rinse Aid, being acidic... ...helps to neutralise the alkaline solution. | ||
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