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TurboZone...Does it live up to the marketing hype?
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Post# 222892   7/15/2007 at 20:07 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        

You be the judge. Here is a washload that I ran tonight after a wonderful sunday dinner. The dishes in this load accumalted over a 2 day period. The baking dish is what I made our Roasted Short Ribs in. The pan suffered from burned on honey that was in the glaze. It sat for approximately 45 mins before being loaded into the Dishwasher. There was no pretreating of anything. Only scrapping off of the large pieces. Below is a series of photos to show how well this machine cleans. Hope you all enjoy.




Post# 222893 , Reply# 1   7/15/2007 at 20:08 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
The Baking dish

Burned on soil

Post# 222895 , Reply# 2   7/15/2007 at 20:09 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
TurboZone

Will it get it clean?

Post# 222896 , Reply# 3   7/15/2007 at 20:11 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
The Upper Rack

Note the tall glasses in the corner, Will there be crud in them?

Post# 222897 , Reply# 4   7/15/2007 at 20:13 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Pick your poison

Mines Casacde Complete

Post# 222898 , Reply# 5   7/15/2007 at 20:15 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
The Cycle and options

Fully Loaded, so to speak

Post# 222899 , Reply# 6   7/15/2007 at 20:16 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
The results?

Looks clean to me.....

Post# 222900 , Reply# 7   7/15/2007 at 20:18 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Overall

I'd say they came out wonderully

Post# 222902 , Reply# 8   7/15/2007 at 20:20 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Oh what about the tall glass in the left front Corner?

Well lets have a look. I don't see any crud! YAY!!

Post# 222903 , Reply# 9   7/15/2007 at 20:25 (6,123 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
One Final look

One last look before it is time to unload the dishwasher. My least favorite part. I have had this dishwasher well over a year now and have been very satissfied with the results. I was extremely aprehensive about buying a TT Whirlpool/Kenmore after all the negative things people had said about them. After having such consistently good results as these I am inclined to say that Whirlpool must have corrected any designs flaws from their earlier TT machines.

Chris


Post# 222908 , Reply# 10   7/15/2007 at 20:47 (6,122 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Chris, my new one is the black versioon of yours!! I've Zoned twice with steller results that even surprised me. Personally, I found that if I used the organized slits in the utensil baskets, heavy food accumulated on the lid and didn't get dealt with, but it was washed off the eating part of the utensils lol. So I stopped using it that way. I also started only using the one bigger basket of the 3, even a week's worth of eating stuff fits very nicely in the larger bazket and comes clean. That space can now be used in the bottom rack for a mixing bowl, put larger saucepan on its side, ... I also got rid of the basket at the back of the top rack, unless I need it. It eats up too much space and was noticeable in that reduced real estate in the top rack to me. Still have the knife holder on the left side of the bottom rack.

The last two loads I've run I decided to try just the normal cycle instead of smart wash. I don't know if the soil level was so high the sensor triggered the heaviest soil setting on normal wash, but I have gotten a full 1st rinse instead of the purge both times right after the main wash. That's something I never did get on Smart Wash. However the soil was so high in both loads that it did an Automatic Purge Filter (APF) 3 times in the prewash, something that's only happened two other times. Normally just 2 filter purges. It also resulted in the longest cycle run time I've had, 161 minutes. I think of all the WP TT cousins, this is the best-performing of the 3 brands--KitchenAid, Kenmore/Kenmore Elite, and Whirlpool.


Post# 222911 , Reply# 11   7/15/2007 at 21:01 (6,122 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Bob, I have to agree

with you about the Kenmore/Kenmore Elites. They are quite good performers. I normally dont use the odds and ends basket up top but it seems that the last few loads I've had a need for it. But normally it is not there as you stated it takes up quite a bit of space. I liked the knife holder in the lower rack too. Though often I wash my good knives by hand so I have little use for it. Tonights load ran from 6:10 to 7:55. That was from the moment I pressed start to the time it shut off after the final rinse. I rarely get an "extra' rinse unless I use Pots&Pans. Then I usually get a nice rinse before it drains and does a final rinse. And this may be just me but, I really love the sound this machine makes as it drains. It is by far the neatest noise of any dishwasher that I've ever heard. I'll have to look out for the food getting caught in the deviders of the silverware basket. I havent had anyhting left behind, yet. lol. There are times that I do take out the two smaller baskets to make room for large bowls and such but thats normally only when I am entertaining. Thanks for the feedback. I am glad to hear that your new machine has impressed you as much as mine has impressed me.

Chris


Post# 223070 , Reply# 12   7/16/2007 at 13:21 (6,122 days old) by jonv112 ()        

I have the 1st generation TurboZone (w/o the spinners), and it gets everything clean. I just used it last night when my mom made some special cake and it was baked on for a day or two, and I think it got clean (my mom puts the dished away, I load it), as most of it does. I always run Smart Wash. I used normal wash once, but never really paid attention to it when it was washing.

Post# 223102 , Reply# 13   7/16/2007 at 16:32 (6,122 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I love it when people test things and post them here! Consumer Reports had good things to say about the Turbo-Zone, too. Looks like it did a great job on your Pyrex baking dish.

Thanks for taking the time to let us see the results.


Post# 223191 , Reply# 14   7/16/2007 at 23:58 (6,121 days old) by kacyc1 (Chico, CA)        
So you'd do this vs. a Maytag 3 rack?

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I've just always been fascinated by the "3 rack" dishwasher that maytag manufactures.. Glad to hear that the Kenmore works though as I bet Maytag's factory will be closed by WP and the TurboZone is all we'll get.

Post# 223192 , Reply# 15   7/17/2007 at 00:09 (6,121 days old) by goprog ()        

though as I bet Maytag's factory will be closed by WP and the TurboZone is all we'll get.

I just hate it when the target keeps moving and not always for
the better.


Post# 223238 , Reply# 16   7/17/2007 at 05:28 (6,121 days old) by magic clean ()        
not to worry

Maytag/JennAir platform dishwashers are not going away

Post# 223255 , Reply# 17   7/17/2007 at 07:52 (6,121 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Maytag actually does make a very good dishwasher. They still use a vertical pump mounted assembly, though the cycles can be a little on the long side and the machines aren't the quietest on the market, but folks I know who have them do like them a great deal. Most think they are very easy to load as you can put stuff anywhere and it will clean well.

Post# 223279 , Reply# 18   7/17/2007 at 09:25 (6,121 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Maytag 3 rack vs. Kenmore Elite

I actually had narrowed my choice of a new dishwasher down to three brands: The Kenmore, GE Profile and a Maytag 3 rack. I had at the time a Maytag I bought new in 1999 when I purchased my new house. That Maytag was a workhorse. I never had a moments trouble with it till I replaced it last summer. ( In case you are wondering why I got rid of it, the machine was literally falling apart. The tines were breaking off, the Rinse Aid dispenser would dispense its entire contents in less than a weeks time, it stopped drying, constantly had an odor. So it was time to replace it. )I didn't go with the 3 rack dishwasher because the more I looked at it the more I felt that it was going to be far to difficult to laod. I tend to wash a lot odd shaped bowls and platters and baking dishes. The racking just seemed a bit too busy and cramped. The GE with the SmartDispense detergent dispenser was the other candidate and I had almost made up my mind to buy that unit but when I took my mom to see the two machines I had picked out she said the GE's racks felt "flimsy" compared to the Kenmore's plus like me she loved how the Kenmore looked from the outside. Flimsy racks aside she also preferred the layout of the Kenmore racks over the GE's as she said it seemed to allow you to load it however you wanted. Which I have found to be true. At least with the lower rack. I struggle sometimes with the upper rack. Also, the GE SmartDispense only works with chlorine based detergent and while I have nothing against that, I do not always use that type and so I didnt want to be limited to just that. So, the Kenmore was purchaed and I've been happy with it ever since. It performs wonderfully and is extremely quiet. I could not get over the how quiet it was. If the radio is on in the kitchen or dining room and the dishwasher is on you'll be hard pressed to hear it unless you turn off the radio or all other noises in the house cease. Glad you enjoyed viewing the pictures. Next time I am going to try for BobLoad(r) Certification. hehe.

Chris


Post# 223478 , Reply# 19   7/18/2007 at 01:27 (6,120 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I looked at the 3-rack Maytag, too, and quickly realized it was absolutely not going to allow for the amazing loading flexibility of the 2-rack model. So I went with a TOL 2-rack. The 3-rack also didn't score as well in cleaning with CR.

Smart Wash Cycle: I have never used mine. I think they also opt for using more water and lengthen cycle times. In fact, I've taken to using the China cycle most of the time (about 60 minutes) and the 20-minute Insta Wash cycle for light-to-moderately soiled loads. There is no dry time on Insta Wash (unless you choose Heated Dry, and even then, it's very brief), so I pop the door open and let the dishes 'flash dry'.


Post# 223491 , Reply# 20   7/18/2007 at 07:43 (6,120 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Christopher my suggestion would be to go with either the Whirlpool or the Maytag. I have the GE Profile (8280) and believe me it is the worst dishwasher I have ever owned. Have you considered the Kenmore with the turbo-clean, sounds and looks like it does a good job.

Post# 223583 , Reply# 21   7/18/2007 at 18:39 (6,120 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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this is very perplexing to me.
We have a GE Triton XL with their multi arm wash system. It's wonderful. When I look at our 2003 XL at home and the Profiles of today (2007) the wash systems are identical.
How can they be "horrible?"

Nothing's different.
Unless do you think they screwed with the cycle sequences?


Post# 223657 , Reply# 22   7/18/2007 at 22:31 (6,119 days old) by tlee618 ()        

I wish I knew John, I had GE out here just last week, he checked everything out and his only suggestion was to turn up the water heater which I did. I always used the added heat setting as well before. So far cleaning has been a bit better but still nothing like I see from the pictures of the Turbo Zone. The guy did say that he thinks these machines would do a better job if they used a couple more gallons of water.

Post# 223822 , Reply# 23   7/19/2007 at 19:11 (6,119 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
more water?

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well, while that may be true, i seriously think that might not be an issue....unless you're not getting full water pressure due to pump cavitation?

the filtering system in GE's new tall tub machines is virtually fool proof and do so well that they make the hard food disposer in there useless.
NOTHING can get sucked into the pump that is larger than those tiny holes in the sump filter. And whatever goes through there is partially routed to the super fine mesh filter under the wash arm. The tubs fill with a about 1.2 gallons of water which, in our machine, is perfectly fine.
An answer from the "GE Answer Center" told me that water is run through the fine mesh filter at a rate of about 1 gallon per minute, meaning in just over a minute, theoretically all the water is passed through the mesh filter.

Now... the only thing i can think of is a very poor cycle sequence programming. Other than that...this wash system is phenomenal.....is it being loaded properly? (I know, dumb question on this forum)


Post# 223878 , Reply# 24   7/19/2007 at 22:07 (6,118 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Oh yes John it is being loaded correctly. Like I said, results have been a bit better since I turned up the water but still not what I would call fantastic. Anyone that knows me will tell you that if anything I pre-rinse way to much so I don't know what the problem is. There have also been several times that all of the detergent hasn't even been washed from the cup. At first I thought I had placed to large of an iten in front of it but even after making sure that isn't happening there have been a few times where it is not all out of the cup. Have tried fresh detergent too! This doesn't happen all of the time which is the strange thing.

Post# 223880 , Reply# 25   7/19/2007 at 22:13 (6,118 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Oh yes, I've witnessed. He pre-rinses way too much. Might as well put them in the cabinet cuz there ain't no dirt on them.

Post# 223905 , Reply# 26   7/19/2007 at 23:23 (6,118 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Terry - I have a GE 9200 tall tub, bought in 2004, and it performs flawlessly every time. It handles Bob-loads with no problem. I do clean the filter and the machine out, and I have found a couple of times that the filter had gotten plugged up (it made a funky noise while washing) from some corn husk fibers that had gotten in there (the filter port is very narrow). Once I cleaned it out and ran it through empty, it was right back to cleaning as usual. Something has got to be wrong for you to get such poor results. I assume you have disassembled, cleaned the filter, etc.? You might try running it through without the filter in place to make sure nothing is trapped below (the machine will run fine without the filter in place), and, also make sure the machine is draining completely. That would certainly cause poor results. Hope that's helpful.

Post# 223965 , Reply# 27   7/20/2007 at 08:57 (6,118 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
filter woes

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the fine mesh filter ports are quite narrow, i agree.
So I took a drill bit and enlarged the filter entrance hole by about, .100 thousandths diameter. That should help a little, and allow more water to flush through. On the drain side of the filter (that little rubber tube) there's a coarse screen in there, that MIGHT get clogged too, preventing the fine mesh filter to drain.

If increasing your water heater helped...i wonder if the dishwasher itself is not heating its own water...maybe there's an issue with that fantastic, gigantic Calrod.

Also, you could try switching to Cascade ActionPacs instead of regular powder.
the detergent cups in these machines are kind of in a stupid place because dishes CAN block them, and the way they open actually seems to prevent water circulation from reaching them.
I made my parents switch to Cascade pacs, and that solved all detergent issues, because the pac just falls out of the cup, even if it opens part way.

ALSO...there could be an issue with pump pressure. Is it possible that your molded wash arms maybe have a split seam? The water may be spraying out the seams...just a thought.

Best of luck!


Post# 224013 , Reply# 28   7/20/2007 at 13:50 (6,118 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions. The GE guy did check to make sure that the machine was heating the water, I have removed the filter and it was clean as well. I will check out the wash arm for any splits. I will also give the Cascade packets a try. Once again thanks for your help. Terry


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