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The worlds first electronic washing machine |
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Post# 226300   7/30/2007 at 20:27 (6,085 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226302 , Reply# 1   7/30/2007 at 20:29 (6,085 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226303 , Reply# 2   7/30/2007 at 20:29 (6,085 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226304 , Reply# 3   7/30/2007 at 20:34 (6,085 days old) by supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 226305 , Reply# 4   7/30/2007 at 20:38 (6,085 days old) by alanlendaro ()   |   | |
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I keyed in on the 'WEC' too. Wonder if we are correct. |
Post# 226306 , Reply# 5   7/30/2007 at 20:47 (6,085 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226314 , Reply# 6   7/30/2007 at 21:14 (6,085 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 226317 , Reply# 7   7/30/2007 at 21:17 (6,085 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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BENDIX??????????????????? |
Post# 226320 , Reply# 8   7/30/2007 at 21:47 (6,085 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 226323 , Reply# 9   7/30/2007 at 21:52 (6,085 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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This is fun!! I going with Bendix as well. |
Post# 226329 , Reply# 10   7/30/2007 at 22:07 (6,085 days old) by bundtboy ()   |   | |
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and bolts down and loads from the front... perhaps a commercial Milnor washer? B |
Post# 226338 , Reply# 11   7/30/2007 at 22:26 (6,085 days old) by exploder3211 ()   |   | |
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Its some kinda front loader, but not sure what |
Post# 226357 , Reply# 12   7/30/2007 at 22:55 (6,085 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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If it's Jetcone and NOT a Bendix, then the pope CAN'T be Catholic. EXCEPT: Unfamiliar with a Benny capable of 16##, whereas a Whirly Combo could take 16 (guessing, since the tub is huge) and since the Whirly could barely squeeze out Gladys's non-electric blankie/ bed/rug--205 rmps.......hmmmmmmm. Ya got me! |
Post# 226363 , Reply# 13   7/30/2007 at 23:04 (6,085 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 226398 , Reply# 14   7/31/2007 at 00:25 (6,085 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 226427 , Reply# 15   7/31/2007 at 03:50 (6,085 days old) by lavamat78800 ()   |   | |
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I think itīs Constructa |
Post# 226429 , Reply# 16   7/31/2007 at 04:01 (6,085 days old) by bundtboy ()   |   | |
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How about Wascomat? |
Post# 226438 , Reply# 17   7/31/2007 at 06:18 (6,085 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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I thought the Bendix had a 505 RPM high speed spin. So I guess I'll say Bendix. |
Post# 226439 , Reply# 18   7/31/2007 at 06:25 (6,085 days old) by cycla-fabric (New Jersey (Northern))   |   | |
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Post# 226450 , Reply# 19   7/31/2007 at 07:58 (6,085 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226455 , Reply# 20   7/31/2007 at 08:38 (6,085 days old) by waterstreet ()   |   | |
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The panels look very Bendix |
Post# 226456 , Reply# 21   7/31/2007 at 08:49 (6,085 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Because of the use of radio tubes, I'm guessing RCA---Whirlpool. Radio tubes, however, were slow to react to commands so I'm wondering how this thing would have worked. I guess Philco could also be a possibility given their prowess with radio and tv technology. Was Bendix owned by Philco at this point?
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Post# 226463 , Reply# 22   7/31/2007 at 09:25 (6,085 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)   |   | |
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Because of the 28.1 second cycle advance, resulting in a fairly short cycle, and the 16 pound load.. I will say a Commercial Laundry Bendix Front Loader. Although I don't see a coin box. Martin |
Post# 226467 , Reply# 23   7/31/2007 at 09:49 (6,085 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 226476 , Reply# 24   7/31/2007 at 10:46 (6,085 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 226477 , Reply# 25   7/31/2007 at 11:10 (6,085 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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The whole idea of a Time Delay Relay based on a Vacuum Tube is quite interesting though. I wonder what tube they used, was it a standard radio/tv tube at that time or was it something special made for Bendix -- or whoever :)? How did this circuit work exactly? Was the delay caused by the tube heating up and once it was hot enough (heated by the internal tube heater) it would energize the AC solenoid directly? So would the AC line be wired into the plate side of the tube and the electrons would then be conducted onto the cathode side and into the spin solenoid??? I'm Confused and MUST KNOW! LOL. |
Post# 226486 , Reply# 27   7/31/2007 at 11:54 (6,085 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I think that the tube is not an electron tube but merely a housing for a relay switch. You know, I think you are right Theo, now that I take a second look. I have relays that look like that but are in a square housing. Besides if it were a common vacuum tube the heater has a voltage requirement of 6 or 12 volts depending on the tube type. So that would require a dropping resistor onto the 120volt line to the heater which I don't see mentioned in the text. Hmmmmm oh Jon. |
Post# 226496 , Reply# 28   7/31/2007 at 12:15 (6,085 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 226503 , Reply# 29   7/31/2007 at 13:01 (6,085 days old) by mielabor ()   |   | |
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I found some info about these relays. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mielabor's LINK |
Post# 226504 , Reply# 30   7/31/2007 at 13:04 (6,085 days old) by mielabor ()   |   | |
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Even more interesting... CLICK HERE TO GO TO mielabor's LINK |
Post# 226505 , Reply# 31   7/31/2007 at 13:19 (6,084 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 226598 , Reply# 32   7/31/2007 at 21:21 (6,084 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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all the Smart Bendix guessers! Here is the front panel And yes the vacuum tube in question is a bimetallic thermal relay housed inside a vacuum tube! I am told they were used on other Commercial washing machines as well. Mielabor you have a very good eye! This machine was the 1956 model and was a Bendix hybrid! It combined the cabinet of the Gyromatic with the guts of the Combo all bolted down like the pre war machines and it had the removable panels of the original Gyromatic from 1948! A real mix up! |
Post# 226600 , Reply# 33   7/31/2007 at 21:23 (6,084 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226605 , Reply# 34   7/31/2007 at 21:26 (6,084 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226609 , Reply# 35   7/31/2007 at 21:29 (6,084 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226730 , Reply# 36   8/1/2007 at 10:06 (6,084 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 226743 , Reply# 37   8/1/2007 at 10:52 (6,084 days old) by fa_f3_20 ()   |   | |
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The heater voltage would be the least of the problems. Consider the plate voltage! 400V and water tend to not get along too well... |
Post# 226764 , Reply# 38   8/1/2007 at 13:20 (6,083 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 226770 , Reply# 39   8/1/2007 at 14:30 (6,083 days old) by mielabor ()   |   | |
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Where does the 400V heater come into this story? |
Post# 226785 , Reply# 40   8/1/2007 at 15:56 (6,083 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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115NO30 Amperite Tube then the top voltage is 130V See below from the Chart. SO with this tube since its not exciting electrons to leave a surface only heating a strip it does not need 440 whompin Volts! YAY! Contact voltage rating 115V Contact current rating 3A Heater voltage range 90 to 130V Contact type Normally open Delay 30s |
Post# 226788 , Reply# 41   8/1/2007 at 16:05 (6,083 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I wonder if this tube has a true vacuum or it's just sheilded by the glass wrapper and uses a tube base that was so very common back then. He guessed right after he saw the model number--ohhhjust you wait mister cheating like that!) That's what you get for not blacking out the model number Mister. its not exciting electrons to leave a surface Oh I just love to excite electrons! Boo |
Post# 226793 , Reply# 42   8/1/2007 at 16:16 (6,083 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Those thermal delay tubes are quite fun to play with, used most often as a delay for B+ application or industrial control. I have a box in the basement just waiting for future projects and they can still be had NOS for the right price. I must have missed what it's used for in this washer... Anyone?? Cory |
Post# 226795 , Reply# 43   8/1/2007 at 16:17 (6,083 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 226810 , Reply# 44   8/1/2007 at 18:58 (6,083 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 226952 , Reply# 46   8/2/2007 at 08:07 (6,083 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)   |   | |
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Did Bendix sell the rights to Dexter? The early ninties Dexters look remarkably similar. The frame and tranny look identical. Was Bedix loud and unreliable too? Bobby in Boston |
Post# 226975 , Reply# 47   8/2/2007 at 09:03 (6,083 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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What happened Bobby was this machine was made by Bendix in 1956. In 1957 Bendix was bought out by Philco. Around 1958 Ford bought Dexter. Merged Dexter & Philco under its appliances. Dexter took all the parts and molding to their molding shop in Iowa and started making the commercial machines, which as you pointed out were made right up to the 1990's. So most of the Bendix Combo parts are still available new from Dexter. Pumps, solenoids, tub seals, motors and tranny sets, cointraps. A stroke of luck for us Combo nuts I can tell you. So I am guessing this would be a pretty rare bird of a machine since it was only made for a year. Anybody ever see one?? I have seen "Dexter" machines go for years in a laundromat. What is your experience that has led you to see them as unreliable?? |
Post# 227066 , Reply# 49   8/2/2007 at 15:20 (6,082 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 227076 , Reply# 50   8/2/2007 at 15:36 (6,082 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)   |   | |
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Sent, Jon. Bobby in Boston |