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When did the "good" Kitchen aid dishwashers stop being made?
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Post# 227852   8/5/2007 at 12:54 (6,080 days old) by cny4 (Central New York)        

Does anyone know what was the last year of the "good" Kitchen Aid dishwashers? My parents bought one in 1988 and that was the old center latch style.




Post# 227873 , Reply# 1   8/5/2007 at 15:44 (6,080 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The KitchenAid division of Hobart was acquired by Whirlpool in 1986. Whirlpool changed the pump design shortly after but they continued with the porcelain tank & KA rack design until the late 90's. Your parent's dishwasher would have been a Whirlpool-made product in 1988.

Post# 228595 , Reply# 2   8/8/2007 at 11:38 (6,077 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I bought a new KA dishwasher in 1990 and it's still going strong. On the surface (well, inside the tub and out) it still looks like the Hobart made models. There might be some Whirlpool components to it underneath, but it works as well 17 years later as it did when it was new.

Post# 228605 , Reply# 3   8/8/2007 at 12:10 (6,077 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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As long as they were being made by Hobart they were durable machines built like tanks. My mother had one for 25 years.
Peter


Post# 228615 , Reply# 4   8/8/2007 at 13:04 (6,077 days old) by re563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

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I would love to get my hands on a Hobart made Kitchenaid--particularly a top load. But wouldn't pass up the chance at any Hobart made. They sure were built like tanks. and they hardly ever, if ever, broke down. Most people that I knew that had the Hobart Kitchenaids said they never had a repair but one day it just died.

Post# 228675 , Reply# 5   8/8/2007 at 16:31 (6,077 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Somebody posted a KA ad from appx 1990 here recently and the claim that the KA can outlast a kitchen was still true then even after Whirlpool took over. I haven't even bothered to look at a new dishwasher since my 1990 KA has yet to give me a reason to, so I don't know what sort of damage Whirlpool has inflicted on the KA badge at this point. If they've done what they did to Maytag, it can't be good.

I think if you get a KA that still has the old tried and true Hobart system even if they were made after the Whirlpool takeover, you'll be fine. Anything with a different lower wash arm design than the trademark KA 4-sided one would be suspect and probably not the indestructible machine that KA was known for.


Post# 228696 , Reply# 6   8/8/2007 at 17:03 (6,077 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Question for anyone who knows: An upper end KA that heats the water as the first step in the cycle is a Hobart; one that doesn't do that indicates it's a 'Whirlpool', right?

Post# 228697 , Reply# 7   8/8/2007 at 17:03 (6,077 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
A KitchenAid by any other name...!

I have a KDC21-D (4 cycles Pots/Pans, Normal, Light/China and Rinse/Hold )that I would be willing to sell to my neighbor there in the south of Florida. In Palm Coast here(exit 289 on I-95). It is in excellent condition and has white or black panels with the chrome trim on them. You can also customize them to match your cabinets or other color or stainless panels as well.
It works very well but how many machines can I have in my Garage?
Let me know and I will take some pictures of it for you or anyone else who might be interested.


Post# 228717 , Reply# 8   8/8/2007 at 17:40 (6,077 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

My mom's KDS-23 is Whirlpool made, but with the Hobart design, from 1993. It heats the first wash, and cleans as well as my older Hobart KD's. And it's super quiet.
Bobby in Boston


Post# 228731 , Reply# 9   8/8/2007 at 18:12 (6,077 days old) by machinehead ()        
What did Whirlpool do to Kitchenaid?

Hey gang--

Anyone know what exactly Whirlpoo did to KA now that its been awhile? Is it still all junk or did they leave KA alone pretty much?


Post# 228732 , Reply# 10   8/8/2007 at 18:12 (6,077 days old) by washertalk ()        

I tried a KA in 2000, when building a house.
No.

It looked good, but it was not KA. Just looking on the outside you could see that it was like whirlpool mol. It was not the quietest.

I took it back.



Lets all lower our heads for a moment in silence in remembrance of Kitchen-aid and the joy that they brought to many a persons life. May it rest in peace. I'm seeing a flag resembling the American flag flying at half staff. complete with harvest gold and avacodo strips and coffee colored stars on an almond back drop.


Post# 228735 , Reply# 11   8/8/2007 at 18:15 (6,077 days old) by machinehead ()        
Whirlpool and Microsoft

Seems like Whirlpool is out to take over the world... ala Microsoft perhaps? Is ANYBODY in appliance world still doing there own thing, not owned by Whirlpool? Who are they and is there stuff worthwhile?

Post# 228742 , Reply# 12   8/8/2007 at 18:39 (6,077 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Once again.. A Kitchenaid by any other name than Hobart

Is nothing but a fancied up Whirlpool Product. Starting with the 23 series, they came with a whirlpool pump assy which while it does a good job of cleaning, I think the Hobart Designed pump assy from the 21 and 22 series had it beat as it does anything else currently on the market.
The 23 series seemed to also get lower quality racks as evidenced by all the machines sitting on curbs and the backs of appliance stores which all seem to have rusted out racks and pretty thin tanks which flexed easily and let the porcelain chip away.

Basically any machine from the 24 series was a total whirlpool machine but from what every sears tech tells me, if you can find a tall tub of any whirlpool design out there with the old vertical pump, it will outlast the new machines with the horizontal pumps. Seems to do a better job of cleaning too. I happen to have a whirlpool as a spare roght now in my garage which is the pot and pans washer and overflow washer from our KDS18 in the house and it DOES do a good job of cleaning as long as yoou select a long enough cycle and use Cascade powder detergents. That has the vertical pump and it gets the water up there to that upper rack arm and really pounds the top of the machine with some serious water pressure.

When you think about the whole picture, it would be economically advantageous to WP to eliminate the KA production in favor of one production line and just rebadging machines with Kitchenaid Logos like they do with the Kenmores. Fewer plants, fewer employees more economy of scale.
Hasnt the same already happened to the Maytag lines?



Post# 228802 , Reply# 13   8/8/2007 at 20:55 (6,077 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
2000 KA DW not bad IMHO

We have a 2000 MOL KitchenAid DW that you can tell is basically a Whirlpool underneath. It has a stainless steel tub and the four spray arms on the bottom that look similar to the old KAs. We bought it when we built our house, and at the time it seemed like a pretty good compromise compared to the pricier European brands. At least the MOL model has the extra sound insulation package and is pretty quiet.

While it can't hold a candle in build quality to my Aunt's 1990 TOL KA Superba (still Hobart style), I can't complain about its' performance and reliability.

Andrew S.


Post# 228842 , Reply# 14   8/8/2007 at 22:48 (6,077 days old) by re563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

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Stevet:

If your post was referring to me, then all I can do is laugh at this point. After just purchasing the whirlpool top loader from GregM and My Bosch in the Kitchen, my partner would have a fight If I turn around and buy yet another dishwasher. I should have also stated in my post that It would have to be portable. However, Maybe you should post some pics of it--just in case.

MachineHead:

My Bosch is doing a great job and it's not a whirlpool design. Extreamly quiet and thrifty with water. Gleaming dishes when the cycle is complete. Yes, it does take nearly 2hrs for it to complete the normal cycle, and all full cycles include sanitize. However, I do agree with what Toggleswitch said in another post about energy savings. If I turn down my hot water heater to the now recommended 120, yes that does save energy. But if when I run my dishwasher it runs for 2 hrs to complete a cycle the consist of purge, wash, rinse, rinse, dry. then didn't I just use up the energy I just saved at the hot water heater??? I know that they can now make electric motors that use less electric, but 2 hrs??? how much are we really truely saving here?


Post# 228861 , Reply# 15   8/8/2007 at 23:24 (6,077 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Depends on exactly how much energy the dishwasher pulls ... but I'd say there's still savings.

My DishDrawer's pump motor is about 60 watts. That's 75 to 91 times less energy than a 4500- to 5500-watt electric water heater. Of course the pump motor isn't the only thing involved.


Post# 228925 , Reply# 16   8/9/2007 at 07:19 (6,077 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Edison Electric

For a short time, Edison Electric bought the Hobart dishwasher division of Kitchen Aid. They had the good sense to keep the Hobart design in the dishwasher and kept manufacturing dishwashers under the Kitchen Aid brand. They also manufactured the Kitchen Aid design under their own home appliance name, In-Sink-Erator. That's the dishwasher I have and it's 20 years old. It's never missed a beat.

AND I have a choice of 4 colors anytime I want them -- just change the panels out -- white, black, almond, harvest gold.

It's been a great dishwasher -- Kitchen Aid through and through.

Jerry Gay


Post# 228928 , Reply# 17   8/9/2007 at 07:31 (6,077 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Jerry

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Thanks so much for that info.
Would you be so kind as to post a pic of your Insinkerator?



Post# 228962 , Reply# 18   8/9/2007 at 09:56 (6,076 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Edison or Emerson?

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Jerry,

When I remodeled my kitchen 17 years ago I installed an Emerson instant hot water dispenser at the sink. Its on/off valve assembly failed several years ago and I found the same unit badged as In-sink-erator to replace it. Are Edison and Emerson the same company?


Post# 229131 , Reply# 19   8/9/2007 at 21:10 (6,076 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Insinkerator Dishwashers

An Insinkerator by any other name would have been a KitchenAid but eventually,not by Hobart.

It was Emerson Electric, not Edison that owned Insinkerator and they did come out with a line of KA look alikes based on the 21-23 series machines. But at no time was KA ever sold to them.

Whirlpool approached Hobart and offered them 200 million bucks for the line. As this was half of what Dart And Kraft had paid for Hobart in 1980 to prevent Canadian Pacific from raiding Hobart(long story there) they saw it as a quick way to get their money back. End of story. Stupid move on their part as the KA division made many items used in production of Hobart commercial machines and then Hobart needed to find new sources outside the "family" to supply us with motors for many of our products. Many of us viewed it as shooting ourselves in the foot but that was how the bean counters at D/K thought.

The ISE machines were the same mechanically as the KA but they never had a "Superba" high end unit. They all had the timer on the door and they spent $250,000 to redesign the door latch to slide horizontally instead of the push down handle on the Ka machines. Personally, I thought it looked really sleek with the style of the control panel. They had a 2000 series which was a 21-22 series based machine with the Hobart designed washing system and then the 3000 series which had the Whirlpool pump design. They also had their version of the solid state controlled machines too.

All the rack features were similar to KA except they did not include the "China-Guard" under the upper washarm and that was also where the plactic upper washarms began to show up. But it came with the stainless tank trim which was an option on most KA's.

They were priced very competitively and gave great value for the money. I have an 2 Aunts that I purchased them for and they are still running strong to this day. One Aunt has the ISE in the upstairs kitchen and a KDM-21 in the basement kitchen and the ISE is much quieter and does just as good a job as the KA.
I guess whatever deal they had with Hobart to build them didnt last too long or expired or more likely, when WP came out with the 24 series Kitchenaid/Whirlpool clones, ISE could no longer get a machine that they could sell at a competitive price or WP may have decided not to sell it to them anymore. Maybe someone has more info on that.

Hope that sheds some light on the subject. I do have some sales brochures of the ISE machines. I may be able to scan them and add them here.


Post# 229136 , Reply# 20   8/9/2007 at 21:17 (6,076 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
China Guard and metal upper wash arm

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Here's an Insinkerator.


Post# 229141 , Reply# 21   8/9/2007 at 21:28 (6,076 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Being installed

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Ready to run its maiden load....

Post# 229142 , Reply# 22   8/9/2007 at 21:30 (6,076 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Dishwasher installed

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2006 MIB

Post# 229143 , Reply# 23   8/9/2007 at 21:36 (6,076 days old) by machinehead ()        
The very first dishwasher, invented by who?

Here's a question maybe somebody has an answer to: i remember the story about somebody, can't remember her name, but she was the first person to design an actual dishwashing machine, and it was her company that was or became KitchenAid. Sounds like it wasn't originally Hobart, so who was it, if that story i told is accurate, and does anybody have a picture, diagram, something of one of those very, very first patents or something for the first dishwasher ever made? That would be beyond cool... I know there was no timer, i think it was the late late 1800's, may have been a wood and copper contraption. Anybody know?

And yowza! that is a STELLAR pict of the Insinkerator-- MAN, thats what i hope i can get my KD-17A to be when it grows up... any possiblity of a console Pict for that baby?? Martha Stewart would be proud-- showroom quality, well done!


Post# 229145 , Reply# 24   8/9/2007 at 21:47 (6,076 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Console

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Left

Post# 229148 , Reply# 25   8/9/2007 at 21:51 (6,076 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Control panel

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Right

Post# 229153 , Reply# 26   8/9/2007 at 21:59 (6,076 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Like I said....

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BNIB

Post# 229157 , Reply# 27   8/9/2007 at 22:03 (6,076 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Inventor of DW. Here ya go

CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch's LINK


Post# 229159 , Reply# 28   8/9/2007 at 22:04 (6,076 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Strange happenings

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Why is there a camera icon in the right hand side of my picture?
Can anyone explain???


Post# 229203 , Reply# 29   8/10/2007 at 00:12 (6,076 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Insinkerator!

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Gary,
That is one Gem of a Dishwasher. I wish they still made them.
Peter


Post# 229235 , Reply# 30   8/10/2007 at 08:40 (6,076 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Emerson or Edison???

Here's my In-Sink-Erator Classic Supreme dishwasher. It's sure been a workhorse since 1987 when it was installed.

I don't know for sure whether Hobart was owned by Edison or Emerson, but my Maytag/Kitchen Aid dealer told me that when Whirlpool bought KA, they could not buy Hobart for some legal reason, so Emerson (Edison) bought the dishwasher division of KA. Just going by what I was told by the dealer.

Jerry Gay (more pics to follow)


Post# 229236 , Reply# 31   8/10/2007 at 08:41 (6,076 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
More pics

Here's a closer view of the controls.


Jerry Gay


Post# 229237 , Reply# 32   8/10/2007 at 08:42 (6,076 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        

And here's the innards . . .

Jerry Gay



Post# 229238 , Reply# 33   8/10/2007 at 08:43 (6,076 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        

More innards . . . Lower rack.

Jerry Gay



Post# 229239 , Reply# 34   8/10/2007 at 08:44 (6,076 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        

Upper rack . . .

Jerry Gay


Post# 229244 , Reply# 35   8/10/2007 at 08:47 (6,076 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        

Here's the under side of the top rack showing the metal wash arm and what I believe to be a china guard, thought I never heard it called that.

Such a shame this kind of quality product is not still made.

Jerry Gay


Post# 229253 , Reply# 36   8/10/2007 at 09:09 (6,076 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
In-Sink-Erator

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Jerry,
What a awsome dishwasher. Best Of Luck with it.
Peter


Post# 229276 , Reply# 37   8/10/2007 at 10:03 (6,075 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
ISE

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Classic Series Dishwashers

The handle that Stevet referred to:


Post# 229277 , Reply# 38   8/10/2007 at 10:05 (6,075 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Cycle Chart

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And model selections

Post# 229278 , Reply# 39   8/10/2007 at 10:06 (6,075 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Gary, that beautiful NIB ISE looks exactly like my 1990 KA with the same timer dial and cycle buttons. I learned something today. Thanks!

Post# 229279 , Reply# 40   8/10/2007 at 10:06 (6,075 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Classic Supreme

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LCD

Post# 229281 , Reply# 41   8/10/2007 at 10:07 (6,075 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Classic Supreme

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Push Button

Post# 229286 , Reply# 42   8/10/2007 at 10:22 (6,075 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Ralph

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Something like this?
I rescued this from the curb last fall.

In beautiful shape and works perfectly.

Guess the owners just wanted all 'new':-)


Post# 229295 , Reply# 43   8/10/2007 at 10:42 (6,075 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Reversible panels

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KA in Classic White

Post# 229310 , Reply# 44   8/10/2007 at 11:35 (6,075 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Gary, yes, that looks like my exact machine. I had the white panel facing out until I bought a stainless fridge and changed it to black. The more I read on this site about the old school KA DW's, the more I love my machine and hope it goes for another 17 years!

Ralph


Post# 229348 , Reply# 45   8/10/2007 at 13:47 (6,075 days old) by rapidry1000 (San Francisco)        

Jerry

I have the exact In-Sink-Erator Classic Supreme dishwasher purchased in April 1988. It's a great dishwasher and I love the blower that dries everything quickly. Still runs like new.


Post# 229441 , Reply# 46   8/10/2007 at 20:15 (6,075 days old) by machinehead ()        
My keyboard shorted out from drooling...

Note to self: wear bib or move keyboard away from slack jaw when staring at hot appliance picts; keyboard saturation from drool is not good!

Thanks all for the pictures (....!!!!!!!!) and special thanks to Toggleswitch for the link to Mrs Cochran-- i had heard the name and story around 20 years ago, soon as i saw it, i remembered. Thanks!

The In-Sink-Erator pictures remind me much of the KDS-20 that i just brought home. Silly people didn't want the 70's stained Oak panel (understandable) or the noise anymore (I call that CHARACTER, man!)

No clue if it works, said you need to hit the 'cancel' button at times to reset it (meaning what?) but i haven't tested it yet. In very good shape, not perfect, but i'm happy its home. I have some timers coming, maybe one of them will fit this, but will test first and go from there.


Post# 229523 , Reply# 47   8/10/2007 at 23:46 (6,075 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
In-Sink-Erator

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I always liked those In-Sink-Erator dishwashers. I think the only differences between In-Sink-Erator and KitchenAid is the In-Sink-Erator's didn't have that stand still water heating in the first fill. But they were designed to take 120 input water and heat to 140 automatically. The model above that Jerry has looks so simular to the KitchenAid Practian model. I don't think but don't know for sure none of the In-Sink-Erator's had sani rinse option. I would love to own one.
Peter


Post# 229629 , Reply# 48   8/11/2007 at 14:48 (6,074 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Faux Pas on my part!

WOW! I am truly surprised to see the ISE Classic 700 series machine above. It seems that they were being made by Hobart for them alot earlier than when they introduced them to the NY area. One of my Aunts got hers at PC Richards on Liberty Avenue in Ozone Park in the very early 90's and it had the newer style slide handle and I got the other Aunt's machine thru ISE direct and that was the Classic Supreme 3000. Both were gorgeously styled machines.

That really classic 700 surprised me in that it really was a total clone of the 21 series machines with the drop down handle and even the same cycles as the Custom series KA's.
with the addition of the fully adjustable top racks. Like I said,a fantastic value for the price.

Looks like up until '91 or so, it was based on the 21/22 series, and then they went to the 23 series in early 93 with the Whirlpool pump design as per the parts manuals I have for those units.

Those machines that all of you have should live quite a long life with reasonable care.


Post# 229633 , Reply# 49   8/11/2007 at 14:56 (6,074 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Josephine Cochrane may be turning over in her grave..

Mrs. Cochrane is credited with inventing the first practical commercial Dishwasing machine and by today's standards it was a really rudimentary unit. But it had to start somewhere.

Just one correction needs to be made.. her patents were not bought out by the company that would become Kitchenaid.. It was Hobart that bought them and then Hobart later begot Kitchenaid.
And as amazing as it may seem, Hobart didnt get into the domestic dishwasher line until like 1948-49 with their first undercounter machines for the home. The reason that the machines lasted so long was the fact that they shared most of the mechanical parts with the commercial units which were designed to last a long time under severe use. It is amazing how many of those old units are still out there operating.
If you want to find more info on the K/A Mixer line, you can go to Kitchenaid.com and go to their user forum under Kitchen Aid conversations and scroll down to the mixer sections and you will get a good synopsis of the mixer history.


Post# 230074 , Reply# 50   8/12/2007 at 23:11 (6,073 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
People still want those old KitchenAids!

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My mom and dad just came back from Florida and had stayed with my uncle who has one of the newer tall tub KA dishwashers. My mom said she used the machine a few times while she was their and said it was so disappointing especially since she had a KA for 25 years that was built like a tank. Mom likes her tall tub GE like mine but wanted to buy another KA just over 2 years ago when her old KA went. She is now happy I talked her out of it. She can't believe how the company downgraded the dishwashers. She said the SS on this newer version is like a tin can and hates the loading patterns. She said the plastic on her GE tall tub is more durable than the KA SS tub, and said she still wishes KA made the old style dishwashers. I also like my GE tall tub but still miss the KA loading patterns with the versatle upper rack. The only thing I didn't like about them was the noise. I would be into getting a 22 or 23 series because by that time they were making them quiter.
I will always wonder what they would be like if they continued to make them and they made them into tall tub dishwashers.
To me the worst tragedy in appliance history is when WCI bought Frigidaire and the second worst tragedy is the demise of the KitchenAid dishwasher.
Peter


Post# 231209 , Reply# 51   8/17/2007 at 18:33 (6,068 days old) by washerfanatic ()        

Wow! Great Dishwasher pictures from the days appliances were built like 747's.

Post# 235176 , Reply# 52   9/6/2007 at 00:24 (6,049 days old) by tgt ()        
KitichenAid Imperial by Hobart

I have a KitchenAid Imperial by Hobart dishwasher, Model KDI 17A. It came with the house 15 years ago. It has just begun to malfunction--not drying well and leaving particles on the dishes. I believe it's been here since the home was built in the late 60's.

Post# 235210 , Reply# 53   9/6/2007 at 08:56 (6,049 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

TGT- If it's leaving particles behind, remove the lower wash arm and make sure the screen filter material isn't torn, as they have a tendency to do with age. If it is, it's an easy repair. Also, give it a good cleaning!!

Post# 235213 , Reply# 54   9/6/2007 at 09:04 (6,049 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Agreed

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Save that machine!


Post# 235231 , Reply# 55   9/6/2007 at 11:48 (6,048 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        
nice!

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The one dishwasher pic you posted, 5 buttons and a knob, has been in service since 1991 in my kitchen. I just replaced the upper wash hose thingie and the entire bottom rack. Works like a champ!

I am kinda put off by the cost of replacing the upper rack, which is just beginning to rust - something like $150.

Ours is biege or almond or bisque or whateverthehell we're calling it these days. I think it was originally portable and had black panels.


Post# 235247 , Reply# 56   9/6/2007 at 13:18 (6,048 days old) by tgt ()        

Thanks for the suggestion--will do.

Post# 235369 , Reply# 57   9/7/2007 at 08:39 (6,048 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Eric -

I would check on eBay for those racks - I see them there all the time for like $30.


Post# 235398 , Reply# 58   9/7/2007 at 12:39 (6,047 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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Andrew,

I tried that but they are rarely listed by model numbers, and I wasn't willing to take a chance on something that looked kinda like the right thing.

-E


Post# 235464 , Reply# 59   9/7/2007 at 21:14 (6,047 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Eric - you really don't need the model number to buy a replacement rack for an older KitchenAid. If you can see a picture of the rack online, you'll know if it's the right one. The top or bottom racks for the REAL KitchenAid dishwashers (pre-1996) are all the same with only two exceptions: the bottom rack for the single arm wash system (pre-1974?) has the tines for the dinner plates down the center, while the two level wash system has the tines for the dinner plates down the left side. Some of the lower racks from the older machines will hold a little more.

The upper racks are either adjustable or not, but you can tell by looking at the rack if it's adjustable by seeing if the levers are there at the sides of the rack. As far as I know, the adjustable upper rack is interchangeable with the non-adjustable upper rack.


Post# 235560 , Reply# 60   9/8/2007 at 19:27 (6,046 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
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My grand mother add a portable kitchenaid dishwasher witch was given to her by one of my aunts the body was like a regular dishwasher but the timer was on top but i do not know the year or the serie number the control panel add the timer and 2 cycle choice. if anybody know that design all i remeber is it was a kitchen aid she know longer as it but she still as the control panel because my grand father witch is now decese conveterd it into a built in model if anyone as a picture it would be good.

tank you


Post# 235924 , Reply# 61   9/10/2007 at 19:09 (6,044 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
dryer for tgt's dishwasher

TGT,
If the dishes are coming out wet, then check and make sure there is warm air coming out of the blower unit. Also make sure it is actually blowing ANY air! The blower motors failed more than the heaters on it so make sure the fan is running and if it is, then check to see if it is hot. Are you using the energy saver button on it? That will just blow cold air and leave the dishes wet too.
See what you can find out. If you need a blower unit, I have a few spares I would be willing to part with for your machine for a reasnable price.
Steve



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