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Post# 58388   2/27/2005 at 11:14 (6,991 days old) by westytoploader ()        

I made a few short video clips of my Maytag Power-Fin (with the fast-stroke tranny) agitating last week. Thanks a lot Robert for putting them on the server for everyone to share!

Here's the first one without clothes: Low Water Agitation (Right-click, Save As...)

Enjoy everyone!

--Austin

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Post# 58389 , Reply# 1   2/27/2005 at 11:16 (6,991 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Oops!! That's the wash cycle. Note the fast, continuous turnover. Here's the rinse; I pulled the lint filter out, and while it's a little dim, you can see the water moving through the agitator (and the globs of lint it already trapped). Again, good turnover here. Watch those towels!

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Post# 58390 , Reply# 2   2/27/2005 at 11:17 (6,991 days old) by westytoploader ()        

And finally, the VERY sloshy Low Water Agitation!

Now here's why the clothes move so fast...

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Post# 58400 , Reply# 3   2/27/2005 at 15:20 (6,991 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        

Thanks to Westytoploader and others, I did the same conversion to my Maytag, and wouldn't switch back for anything...the clothes are cleaner, have less lint on them and rinse better. Besides that, the machine is much more fun to watch....anyone need a good used Load Sensor agitator? I will never use it again......
I have some video, too, but I can't figure out how to get it here.

Post# 58406 , Reply# 4   2/27/2005 at 18:31 (6,991 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
YAY ! ! ! ! !

Thanks for sharing the videos Westy. That was FUN. Now how is the agitator that was on the machine before different from this one? What kind of agitator was it?

This got me to thinking about the next DVD from Robert. I know everyone had voted on and it had been decided which machine the next dvd would have on it. I have not missed it, have I? I am guessing that as much as I check out the sight, I have not missed it. BUT I want to be sure. Robert you haven't released the next dvd yet have you ?

Post# 58413 , Reply# 5   2/27/2005 at 19:19 (6,991 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Hi Tom,

The original agitator was a LoadSensor (Maytag's DA clone), and believe it or not, it rolled the clothes nowhere near as well as this one. The Power-Fin combined with the Orbital transmission is EXCELLENT; very fun and cleans like there is no tomorrow. I haven't thrown anything in there with stains the Power-Fin could not remove.

I forgot to mention that the fast, short strokes really improve the lint filtering ability as well.

--Austin

Post# 58425 , Reply# 6   2/27/2005 at 20:30 (6,991 days old) by compwhiz ()        
Strokes

 Its just as fast as my whirlpool dd strokes also just like our whirlpool the tub moves durring agitation

Post# 58426 , Reply# 7   2/27/2005 at 20:37 (6,991 days old) by westytoploader ()        

The Maytag and Whirlpool tubs are not supposed to index; this one indexes ever so slightly on large loads (usually it does not move at all); I guess because more pressure is put on the brake because of the large-base agitator. Oh well...when the problem gets worse I'll go ahead & replace the clutch assembly...it currently works fine now and brings the tub to a smooth, quick stop.

I think another problem is the speed at which the tub brakes. If it brakes from a full 618 RPM spin (I've watched both Orbital and Helical Drive and haven't noticed any differences between the speeds), the brake tends to hold stronger than if you lift the lid when the tub is still getting up to speed. Although since I can defeat the lidswitch, I can watch the entire cycle without any interruptions.

Post# 58430 , Reply# 8   2/27/2005 at 21:00 (6,991 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

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Westy:

I got to hand it to you, being a front load man. I had a dd maytag machine, with the Power flex, (widen fins near the base)agitor. If i had known that it could have been replace with the power fin---I'd probably still have it today. Great clips.

Post# 58446 , Reply# 9   2/27/2005 at 22:18 (6,991 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Good videos Austin! I've never tried this with an orbital Maytag, it looks like it could really make some lint if things are washed too long! The indexing of the tub is called a "sympathetic index" and won't hurt it at all. My 906 with a 50hz motor pulley does the same thing.

Post# 58467 , Reply# 10   2/28/2005 at 09:02 (6,990 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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My 1951 GE has sympathetic wash tub indexing. No DVD yet, I'm still working on it. I have both cycles filmed, I just need to put it all together and get the disks made. Hopefully soon.

Post# 58495 , Reply# 11   2/28/2005 at 13:45 (6,990 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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Now THAT is a fun Maytag to watch! Thanks for the videos.

Post# 58656 , Reply# 12   3/1/2005 at 19:09 (6,989 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Slow or Gentel

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Hi Austin:

Is the Machine on gentle or slow speed during the wash? It sounds and looks to be slower than that of your video of the low water agitation with no clothes in it?

Steve

Post# 58746 , Reply# 13   3/2/2005 at 14:14 (6,988 days old) by Maytagfan (Brazil )        

I didn't think you could use a powerfin agitator in a orbital Maytag -- isn't it hard on the transmission? I'd like to put one in mine but I'd like to be sure it's ok.

Post# 58771 , Reply# 14   3/2/2005 at 17:31 (6,988 days old) by westytoploader ()        

The machine is running on regular speed during wash...gentle speed is noticeably slower.

Since the Maytag Dependable Care transmission has the rotating transmission driven by the Helical Drive like the old design, I'm not worried about damage to it, and so far there is none evident. I've been doing 12-14 loads per week in the machine since December and it's working great!

I wouldn't try a large-base KA agitator in DD WP/KM transmissions, however, as they're a far cry from their BD counterparts and much cheaper, IMHO.

Post# 58822 , Reply# 15   3/2/2005 at 20:41 (6,988 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Free and will ship

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Austin:

Do you know of any one on here who needs the Turquiose agitators? I have a plethera of them That is how i decorate my garage!!!

LOL anyway, email me and let me know!

Steve

Post# 58844 , Reply# 16   3/2/2005 at 21:51 (6,988 days old) by Maytaged ()        
hard on transmission ?

 Maytagfan has a good point. The orbital transmission is not designed to handle the resistance of the Power Fin agitator.
Understand that Maytag does not manufacture the old counterweight transmission anymore. The orbital can be installed in any helical drive machine. Maytag makes it very clear that when you replace the old style with an orbital that you must order the "kit" which includes the transmission and new agitator.

Post# 58849 , Reply# 17   3/2/2005 at 22:05 (6,988 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        
COMMITING POWERFIN SIN?

 I think not. Here's why,the Powerfin has four FLEXIBLE fins,and with their give and take, plus the fact that they are just at the bottom, there should be little load and drag (almost sounds aerodynamic with this lingo, doesn't it?)Thus,the whole sha-bang should hold up fine.

Post# 58890 , Reply# 18   3/3/2005 at 06:42 (6,987 days old) by Maytaged ()        
flexible fins

 Not sure how much the fins would flex (give) with the high occilation rate and short stroke of the orbital transmission. I myself have never worked on a machine with the "wrong" combination. I just always remember when Maytag phased into the orbital (1989) going to a factory tech school and being told that the old agitator had too much drag resistance for the new trans. The plastic gears in the orbital do wear out. (I have changed my share of them.)
It may take a long time for it to do the damage. I'm just saying I wouldn't do it to my machine.

ED

Post# 58906 , Reply# 19   3/3/2005 at 10:50 (6,987 days old) by Maytagfan (Brazil )        
Flexible Fins

 Thanks Maytaged, I thought I had heard of a conflict when you use the old agitator with the new transmission. It might be ok for someone who could replace any damaged parts themselves, but I'd have to call for repair. I do miss having the lint filter in the agitator, though.

Post# 58963 , Reply# 20   3/3/2005 at 20:30 (6,987 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
transmission damage?

 So, should I take out the PowerFin and put back the LoadSensor? My machine is a '97 Dependable Care....

Post# 58973 , Reply# 21   3/3/2005 at 21:42 (6,987 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
plastic gears

 PLASTIC gears?! Who does Maytag thing they are, GE?

So one wonders why plastic gears in a Maytag are OK, but junk in a GE?

Post# 59001 , Reply# 22   3/4/2005 at 07:08 (6,986 days old) by magic clean ()        
KtichenAid Sure-Scrub agitator

 Pardon the marketing term, but that's what the KitchenAid oversized agitator is known as. Austin you are right; you would not want to combine this agitator with a Kenmore or Whirlpool washer. Not because of the gearcase however. The KitchenAid washer has a different motor and start capacitor to overcome the extra torque load placed on the drive system due to the Sure-Scrub agitator.

The KitchenAid gearcase is identical to any other direct-drive Whirlpool produced machine in the last 20 years. Additionally, the only non-steel driven gear in the direct-drive transmission is the spin gear. It is nylon and it is only engaged during spin applying power to the clutch.



Post# 59514 , Reply# 23   3/9/2005 at 03:27 (6,982 days old) by Erkjoey ()        

When I had to replace the transmission in my A806, Maytag sold me the kit, which consisted of the orbital transmission, the agitator, lint filter, fabric softener cup, and mounting stem kit. It clearly states in the instruction sheet, that unless you use the agitator in the kit, you run the risk damaging the transmission. Erik

Post# 59536 , Reply# 24   3/9/2005 at 09:51 (6,981 days old) by Maytagfan (Brazil )        

Is there a way to just get the agitator instead of the entire kit? I'd really like to have a lint filter again and replace the spiral agitator that I have now.

Post# 59723 , Reply# 25   3/11/2005 at 03:24 (6,980 days old) by Erkjoey ()        

Maytagfan, I removed my agitator to see if there was a model number under it, and there wasn't. However, a friend of mine had a 1990/91 Maytag and she had the same agitator and filter that my orbital kit came with, so I'm sure they're available through Maytag. Hope that helps! Erik

Post# 59750 , Reply# 26   3/11/2005 at 11:57 (6,979 days old) by maytagfan (Brazil )        

Thanks Erik -- I went to maytag.com and I think I found the right agitator and it does have a lint filter. Ordered it today! Thanks again! Doug

Post# 59870 , Reply# 27   3/12/2005 at 21:20 (6,978 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Update--I washed a small load of lights today (low water level), and not only did they roll over fast, water actually splashed out of the machine before it started sudsing up! The rinse was exciting too!

I'll have to film one of these loads later.

Post# 60119 , Reply# 28   3/16/2005 at 07:01 (6,974 days old) by designgeek ()        

There are ways to use plastics that produce results that are just as durable as with metal components. I read a report of a design for a telephone dial that used delron instead of brass and steel for the gears, and was tested good for 5 million cycles in a dusty environment before it went out of spec (i.e. developed a speed variation, but didn't break). You'd normally think of telephone dials as being subject to relatively little hard wear, but then the gears are also fairly tiny, so the unit-load per unit-size of the component (gear faces, shafts, etc.) could be quite high.

Post# 64313 , Reply# 29   4/25/2005 at 23:47 (6,934 days old) by shanonabc ()        

what is this dvd you talk about?

Post# 70512 , Reply# 30   6/16/2005 at 09:51 (6,882 days old) by hooverac216 ()        

how do u tella load senser from a power fin

Post# 70514 , Reply# 31   6/16/2005 at 10:29 (6,882 days old) by agiflow ()        

The power fin agitators were blue colored one piece straight vanes. The later load sensor agitators were basically dual action agitators with the spiral top half and straight fins on the skirt.

Post# 70523 , Reply# 32   6/16/2005 at 12:58 (6,882 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

I'll have to get some videos up of my mom's Orbital Maytag with classic tub and powerfin. It sounds just like yours.

Post# 70985 , Reply# 33   6/20/2005 at 19:28 (6,878 days old) by Stevezasycho ()        

Cooooool.... THat is so awesome.. I want one of those in my new Inglis! I should BUILD one.... Yea....

Post# 71061 , Reply# 34   6/21/2005 at 16:07 (6,877 days old) by Stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
WOW! Love the clothes turnover!

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That is incredible to watch!!! With that kind of rollover I imagine you wouldn't need to wash most clothing for more than say 10 minutes. I guess you could live 'dangerously' (smile) knowing that Maytag does not recommend switching to this agitator. Maybe order another transmission before Maytag is sold just to have it on hand??? Judging from your vids you do not overload the machine even at a half load and that may help keep the wear on the tranny down. Would love to see how this would stack up against a front loader in terms of stain removal.


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