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Post# 245348   10/30/2007 at 20:27 (6,016 days old) by mixedup ()        

Luckily I was home and had not gone to sleep yet! I started a load in my 12 year old whirlmore direct drive washer & went into the other room. About 30 min later I needed something from the garage & SURPRISE I step in a bunch of water! The washer was just filling continuously and running all over the laundry room floor, into the hallway & half bath & under the door to the garage. (Wood flooring in hallway & half bath, ACK) Stopped the washer, turned the timer to drain & proceeded to clean up the mess with the wet dry vac. I know I could probably replace the pressure switch, but the machine is 12 years old and this is the second time this year it's needed repair. I think Momma's gettin a new washer. There's some damage to the wood floor, not too bad though. We'll have to see how it is when it dries completely. The real reason I posted this though is to remind everyone never run appliances when you're leaving the house or asleep. I know it's common sense, but I admit I've done it in the past. Also 2 weeks ago my parents Asko dishwasher nearly caught on fire. Turns out there was a recall on the control board that they didn't know about. The repair person that came to replace it said he'd just replaced 30 of them in a nearby condo building and my parents was the first one he'd seen that had actually been charred! Luckily the were also at home when it started smoking!

Virginia





Post# 245349 , Reply# 1   10/30/2007 at 20:36 (6,016 days old) by selectomatic ()        
Good advice, Virginia.

I'm glad that my laundry room has a big drain in the middle of the floor, but unfortunately the slope of the floor is a bit off, so if the washer overflows there'll be water going where it shouldn't.

Water can do a lot of damage, but a fire can be devastating. I have been known to run my laundry or dishes and then dash off to work, but I wouldn't recommend it. Always better safe than sorry. Even if you're heavily insured, it's more grief than it's worth.

-kevin


Post# 245357 , Reply# 2   10/30/2007 at 22:06 (6,016 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Thanks for the advice. I am guilty more of the dishwasher than anyting. BTW, it is running right now and I am ready for bed. BAD ME

Steve


Post# 245370 , Reply# 3   10/31/2007 at 02:46 (6,016 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

I always run the dishwasher and washing machine when i'm going out somewhere or when i'm ready for bed!
Oh well... if something happens my house is rented and the place is full insured ;) plus it's only fist floor, so it isn't such an high jump if something really goes bad! ;)


Post# 245371 , Reply# 4   10/31/2007 at 02:56 (6,016 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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There is a device you can buy that puts a moisture-sensor under the washer on the floor. It's connected to a control box that will shut off the water to the washer if any water leak is detected.

I think it's sold under the "Flood Check" brand name.


Post# 245387 , Reply# 5   10/31/2007 at 04:24 (6,016 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

My old AEG-diswasher (25 years-old) was flooding our cellar!
We had luck, 3 days ago it was in first floor and was put in the cellar because we got a new kitchen and didnīt want to do dishes by hand.
It still made a great mess!
My new machines have AquaStop and so I donīt have to fear anything.
I even run them when I leave my home or when I go to sleep.
Sometimes I do a delayed start, so the washer starts washing at 5.00 am.


Post# 245389 , Reply# 6   10/31/2007 at 05:38 (6,016 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I try and do my laundry when im home because its my hobby lol. I like to watch some of the loads while im on the computer or cleaning the kitchen. Sometimes i use delayed start when doing a long wash so i can come home and it will be on. I've always been cautious of leaving appliances on while im out or asleep!

Darren


Post# 245390 , Reply# 7   10/31/2007 at 06:00 (6,015 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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i agree with darren, i love doing the washing so never leave the appliances on when i'm going out or going to bed (the whirlpool is so loud, it would keep me awake anyway). Sometimes i put the dishwasher on before bed but thats not as fun to watch hehe.
Matt


Post# 245391 , Reply# 8   10/31/2007 at 06:05 (6,015 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Haha, I love watching my machine doing laundry too!
Iīm always sitting for long time in front of them.
Are you only watching them or do you do something during watching?


Post# 245421 , Reply# 9   10/31/2007 at 11:34 (6,015 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I feel more guilty about leaving the dryer going when I'm leaving the house than any other appliance. Too many stories of dryer fires but I think I maintain mine well enough not to have the vent get badly clogged.

2nd would be the dishwasher. Since it's in the house, that could make a mess. Still, I have great faith in my 17 year-old KA's performance and often start it before going to bed or leaving the house. Bad me too, Steve!

3rd is the washer. It's in the garage so water would flow out and down the driveway as there is a slight pitch to the garage floor.

Ralph


Post# 245457 , Reply# 10   10/31/2007 at 15:09 (6,015 days old) by funguy10 ()        

So mixedup, What kind of new washer have you decided on?

Post# 245553 , Reply# 11   10/31/2007 at 22:51 (6,015 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Possible appliance safety hints

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- Use stainless braided washer hoses and change them every five to ten years

- Shut off water to washer when it's not in use

- Keep dryer vent ductwork clean and unobstructed

- Use metal, not plastic, dryer vent ductwork

- Buy quality appliances, not junk


Post# 245571 , Reply# 12   12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,833 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
delay start

I always used braided steel hoses. I am too lazy to shut off the water taps when the machines are not in use, but it is a good idea to do so. My machines are in the garage, which is six inches lower than the house floor. If there is an overflow, it simply flows away from the house (the garage slab is slanted slightly away from the house, per California building requirements) and out the garage door.

If I come home late, too late to wash and dry a load, I will set up a load to run an hour before my wake-up time, using the delay start feature. I suppose there is a risk should a valve stick and the machine (a Frigidaire 2140 front loader) overflow, but as described above, the water would simply flow out and under the garage door. Everything in my garage is stored on steel racks, and nothing that could be damaged by standing water sits directly on the floor.


Post# 245584 , Reply# 13   11/1/2007 at 03:10 (6,015 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Im very much in control of when and how i do my laundry, an example yesterday i afternoon i loaded my machine ready with towels to put on when i came home, i went to see my brother who's just had knee surgery, i came home to see my towels slowly tumbling on a wool cycle!! Arrrgh! My g.f put the machine on, i've not told her how to use our new machine yet, as she doesnt need to!?! I h8 the idea of someone muscleing in on my hobby! lol.

Darren


Post# 245662 , Reply# 14   11/1/2007 at 16:21 (6,014 days old) by mixedup ()        

Yeah I think I'm going to look into that flood check shut off thing. For those of you that insist on running these machines at night or while away saying your fully insured, yes chances are nothing will ever happen. But if it ever does even if you're renting & fully insured & all that, everyone still has some possessions that are irreplaceable. Photographs, cherished family items, pets that may perish in a house fire. I'm not suggesting that anyone should live in constant fear that an appliance will malfunction and flood or catch fire, but I am not going to tempt fate anymore by running the machines while I'm away. I got lucky & noticed the flooding fairly soon after it started & the damage to the wood floor is very minimal. It would've been so much worse had I not stopped it before the water spread further. Of course we're insured, but here in FL the insurance companies drop you as soon as you make a claim & then there are no companies that will insure you. You're then stuck with Citizen's insurance (the state's insurance program for homeowners that can't get coverage anywhere else) which averages 3 times the cost.

Funguy, I ordered the Oasis with agitator set, to be delivered Saturday. And no, I probably will never make a video of it running :o)

Virginia


Post# 245666 , Reply# 15   11/1/2007 at 16:57 (6,014 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Glass Lid? I have the Oasis washer with agitator but no glass lid. :(

Post# 245669 , Reply# 16   11/1/2007 at 17:08 (6,014 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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So ... who all shuts off their refrigerators and freezers when leaving the house? :-)

For that matter, it'd be wise to shut off the water at the main for the entire house ... but who'd think to do that? I've never (yet) had an appliance malfunction, but a few years ago at the previous house, I was in the bathroom, just about to head out, when the fill tube INSIDE the toilet tank split. Water sprayed full-force in the tank, spewing out the lid. If it had happened 3 minutes later .......


Post# 245672 , Reply# 17   11/1/2007 at 17:41 (6,014 days old) by funguy10 ()        

It was also probably a simple fix for the old washer too. There is a part inside the control panel of Direct-Drive Whirlpool Top-Loaders called the fill tube. It has a tendency to split open at the end of it. This tube senses when the water level has reached your setting and turns on the motor and timer to begin agitation. If the tube has a slpit end, it cannot sense at all and never tells the washer to begin agitation. The result: Flood!

On the other hand, the new washer you have ordered is the Best conventional Top-Loading washer Sears has. It is pretty quiet and has worry-free operation. It does a good job of cleaning laundry for our family. The machine does not use a fill tube. Instead, the agitator pulses once in a while during fill to see if the basket is disengaged from the clutch. For the basket to disengage, The machine fills up from the outer tub. The basket of the machine is light enough to float and will float once enough water has filled into the basket. How much water it takes depends on how much laundry is in the basket and how much it wheighs. Once the basket floats and the agitator senses it, the machine moves on to agitation. When the machine drains, the basket sinks, it re-engages onto the clutch to allow it to spin. When the basket floats and rises, you may be able to hear the machine make a quiet thunk sound when this happens if things are quiet enough. I should also tell you that this machine will make sounds different then a conventional Top-Loader during operation because it has no transmission. Instead it uses a brushless DC motor and coil system which is borrowed from Fisher & Paykel.


Post# 245682 , Reply# 18   11/1/2007 at 18:23 (6,014 days old) by mixedup ()        

Yeah of course there are appliances you can't turn off when you leave. AC, fridge, husband refuses to turn the computers off. As a matter of fact if we're leaving town I actually do shut off the water to the whole house.

Yeah I know the old washer could've been fixed. I could've even done it myself, I'm fairly handy for a girl :o) But it's 12 years old, I never liked it that much anyway, and this is the second time it's broken this year. (Last time was the drive coupler)

The agitator model is not available with the glass lid.
I have read everything about this new washer I could find, so I'm aware of the different sounds it makes & such I've actually been researching washers off & on for the last couple of years thinking I'd replace the old one eventually. Didn't think it would be right now though. What I really wanted was a front loader. None of the larger front loaders will fit in my laundry room. I considered the oasis without agitator but I'm not totally convinced on the performance. Of the reviews I read half say they love it, half say it's terrible. I know Jason L has one & loves it though. Also I couldn't justify the extra cost when we don't know if we'll stay in this house more than a couple more years. Anyway after running away from the most annoying sales woman at Sears yesterday I ordered the new set online this morning to be delivered Sat. I'll let you know how I like it.

Virginia


Post# 245683 , Reply# 19   11/1/2007 at 18:29 (6,014 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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FunGuy, the Oasis/Cabrio/Bravos DO have a "fill tube" and pressure switch/sensor, as do all F&P machines.

Post# 245686 , Reply# 20   11/1/2007 at 18:54 (6,014 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)        
Same Goes for Laundromats

Good thing I have a habit of "camping out" at the laundromat, as I have often spotted and corrected issues, such as off balance wash loads, along with malfunctioning machines. I remember one day at the downstairs laundry room *at Iowa State University, (1985-87,* I shelled in the correct coins into a Maytag machine, only to have the unit not start up. The lid was closed. I had reported the issue to the vendor, but had a notion to reach around to the back of the machine to find that it was not plugged in. No "OUT OF ORDER" signs were attached to the machine. Since I am blind, how else would I have known? Therefore, after plugging in the unit, it ran just fine without any problems. I then called the vendor again. Apparently, the machine in question was just serviced, but the service person forgot to plug it back in.--Laundry Shark

Post# 245687 , Reply# 21   11/1/2007 at 18:55 (6,014 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)        
Sorry for the accidental backslash

--Laundry Shark

Post# 245691 , Reply# 22   11/1/2007 at 19:44 (6,014 days old) by funguy10 ()        

There most certainly is a version of the Oasis/Cabrio with agitators that have a glass lid. I've seen one at our local Sears Appliance & Hardware which is not even a 5-minute drive from my house. Also, the version without agitator is, according to Consumer Reports, the #1 agitator-less Top-Loader currently on the market. But yes, I have seen mixed reviews of that version at Epinions.com. I'd also like to forewarn you that the agitator version of the machine has pretty negative reviews at www.epinions.com.... DADoeS, I know the agitator version of the Oasis/Cabrio/Bravos have a fill tube and so do the Fisher & Paykel machines. This is probably used when a water level other than "Auto" is selected and probably works the same way.

Post# 245700 , Reply# 23   11/1/2007 at 20:09 (6,014 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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ALL versions have pressure tubes, not just the agitator models. F&P agitator machines use the pressure sensor at all times, *including* for automatic water level sensing. I imagine the wash plate models do as well.

Post# 245712 , Reply# 24   11/1/2007 at 21:01 (6,014 days old) by mixedup ()        
Agitator w/glass lid

Really? I never saw one at the store & I don't see it on the sears website. What is the model #? Every washer I looked at had both positive and negative reviews on epinions & other sites.

Post# 245716 , Reply# 25   11/1/2007 at 21:24 (6,014 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I rarely use the delay start feature on any of our appliances. If I start the dishwasher late in the evening, I'll just stay up until it's finished...

However, our washer has a dedicated Night function, which omits all spin cycles and adds extra rinses and water. Miele has just recently added that function to some of their washers. Bauknecht and Blomberg (and possibly some other manufacturers) offer dishwashers with a night/silent mode, which lowers the water pressure and extends the cycle time. Bauknecht's night cycle runs for 290 minutes at 39 dB.

Most Euro washers and dishwashers have some sort of Aqua Stop, Waterproof, etc. feature to automatically shut off the water supply and cause the machine to drain should anything go wrong. High-end appliances will usually sound alarm and if you're into fancy remote-controllable appliances your (dish)washer can even send a text message to your cell phone...

Here's our Siemens dishwasher's Aqua Stop hose. Nice thing about Bosch/Siemens is that they have a lifetime guarantee on their anti-leakage system: should it fail, B/S/H will pay the damage.


Post# 245739 , Reply# 26   11/2/2007 at 01:02 (6,014 days old) by sdlee (south dakota)        
saftey,convience, and sanity

I need one more thing to do before I leave the house like I need a hole in the head. I need one more thing to worry about while Im at work. Yet I agree with what should be done. Shut it all off, thats the only safe thing. Do I pratice it Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Id love to but then Id have to worry about whats causeing me to have cancer, can I use my cell phone in certain areas, should I be driveing from MC Ds window while trying to insert my straw etc,etc,etc the list is endless.
Did anyone see the Oprah show where the toaster burned down the apartment complex just coz it was left plugged in while the guys were out. Cmon, dont we have enough to be afraid of?
Ill risk it,IM notliving that way.


Post# 246009 , Reply# 27   11/3/2007 at 09:47 (6,012 days old) by funguy10 ()        

There is one thing you should NEVER do with an appliance but it is while you are at home. NEVER run your Self-Cleaning Oven clean cycle within two weeks of a major holidy. Because the circuits that run the self-clean cycle are rarely used, they are very prone to failiure. Then there is the wait time for repair and/or DELIVERY OF THE NEW OVEN and not being able to cook in it. So, for those of us in the USA you know Thanksgiving is coming in about 3 more weeks. So, make sure that if the oven you will be using to cook Thankgiving dinner on(especially the turkey) needs cleaning, that you run the Self-Clean cycle before this Thursday(November 8). Doing so could mean the difference between eating Turkey on Thanksgiving or going to McDonald's.

Post# 246102 , Reply# 28   11/3/2007 at 18:18 (6,012 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Well Mixedup, Saturday has almost gone. Do you have your new machines yet?

Post# 246117 , Reply# 29   11/3/2007 at 20:30 (6,012 days old) by mixedup ()        

Yes, actually. They arrived around lunchtime, the delivery guys were even early for a change. So far I am really liking them. First thing I did was figure out how to disable the washer's lid lock with a magnet so I could see what was going on in there. The wash action is quite different than a conventional top loader. The dryer seems to do a good job too.

Virginia


Post# 246118 , Reply# 30   11/3/2007 at 20:32 (6,012 days old) by funguy10 ()        

If you won't post a video could you post pictures? Or at least tell me how to disable it?

Post# 246119 , Reply# 31   11/3/2007 at 20:32 (6,012 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Oh, and could you also describe the "different" washing action?

Post# 246319 , Reply# 32   11/4/2007 at 17:59 (6,011 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Oven cleaning just before a holiday...

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There is another solution: have more than one oven. I got two - no, three - electric ovens, all usable, all self-cleaning. One oven is slated to become a shop oven for baking powder coat finishes, but that still leaves two...

However, my main turkey oven is a stainless covered BBQ grill with motor driven rotisserie and ceramic rotisserie burner. This sits on a covered patio, where the smoke etc is easily vented outdoors so the home itself stays relatively cooking odor-free. The only limitation is that the turkey needs to be about 15 lbs or less, due to size limitations of the covered BBQ.

Besides, if the self-cleaning circuit fails, there's always Easy-off, right? :-)


Post# 246718 , Reply# 33   11/6/2007 at 05:22 (6,009 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
I used to use the delay functions on my washer and dishwashe

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until my partner lost a high school friend in a dryer related fire. I don't know the exact details but I think she put the dryer on when she went to bed (how anyone could leave clothes sitting in the dryer over night is beyond me) and it caught on fire. Both she and a new born died in the fire.

My washer has that "tell me what time you want it done" feature and I used to use it all the time. I loved walking in the door to the Final Spin so I could throw them in the dryer and be done with it. With loads that can take 1 1/2 to 2 hours I didn't like waiting for them to finish. I don't do that anymore. However, I do run them and go to bed. Same difference now that I think about it and read through these posts.

I don't shut off the water supply to the washer or dishwasher when not in use except if we are travelling for more than a few days. Usually one of us is in and out through out the day.


Post# 246793 , Reply# 34   11/6/2007 at 14:13 (6,009 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Excellent thread.
Our kitchen nearly caught on fire about 5 years ago because the thermostat in the GE dishwasher went out and the element just kept getting hotter. Runined everything in that load of dishes, had a dinner party in 1 hour when it happened.
I cannot stress it enough, NEVER start an appliance and run off and leave it. I don't even go to bed anymore with them running.
5 weeks after the dishwasher malfunctioned GE put out a recall on that series. HMMM wonder why.


Post# 246803 , Reply# 35   11/6/2007 at 15:07 (6,009 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )        

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I'm becoming a firm believer of not running appliances whilst your not at home, as my Zanussi managed to spring a huge leak which ran straight into the motor! and as we know Electricity and Water arent friends hehe!
Imagine what could of happened if I wasnt there to turn it off and unplug it!! quite worrying !

Richard


Post# 246934 , Reply# 36   11/7/2007 at 09:19 (6,008 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
My night time horror story..

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Hey Guys

I always used to put the DW on delay overnight(Economy 7 cheap electricity etc) - one night I got up to go to the loo and could hear water running somewhere..

To cut a long story short I went into the kitchen to find I was paddling!!!!!.

Whilst the actual DW was fine some little s@it of a mouse had chewed the inlet hose ( being a Bosch hose thats pretty hard plastic it took some doing!).

I now put it on when I get up at 6 and stop it before the dry cycle so its done before I leave.

Seamus


Post# 247010 , Reply# 37   11/7/2007 at 16:51 (6,008 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Horror Stories

My family has had a few:

1. Mother's first tumble drier, a reconditioned Bendix was drying a load in the kitchen. Mum was in lounge, entertaining grandparents; I was hoovering the hallway. A large cloud of acrid smoke billowed out of kitchen. Drier motor had stopped, but was still heating the clothes. Took months to get rid of the smell in the kitchen...

2. ...So Mum bought a new Hoover 'Logic' drier, which promptly fused when switched on. It turned out to be the cover for the thermostat spade-connectors had never been assembled properly, hence the short circuit. My brother still has this machine.

3. Mum's Hoover 'New Wave' washer was active at 7am one morning. Suddenly, two loud bangs issued from it, and the ring circuit fused. Turned out to be a small nick in the door seal; water had been forced through during spin-burst phase; water-detergent bridged the heater terminals= BANG! Heater blew, plug fuse blew, circuit breaker flipped. This machine was subject to a recall, to fit a shield to prevent this.

4. I had the top model of AEG washer in 1998. I tended to run it on the overnight cheaper electricity most of the time. In 2001, I happened to rise one morning whilst it was on its final spin, and was aware of a hot metallic smell. There were also little grains of what looked like charred metal on the floor (base plate had pre-moulded holes, I think). Bearings had given out.


Post# 247064 , Reply# 38   11/7/2007 at 22:38 (6,008 days old) by bobbyd32l ()        
AquaStop doesnt work!

AquaStop only stops the dishwasher is water is detected in the sealed base. If the door gasket leaks (like my Bosch did) it continues to run... And when you are outside cleaning your car and come in and the entire kitchen is under water and you have hardwood... its a bad feeling. Granted, Bosch paid for the damages, but it continued to run :( Aquastop only stops leaks in the base, and those rarely happen!

Post# 247069 , Reply# 39   11/7/2007 at 22:57 (6,008 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Aqua Stop

Also protects against a busted hose

On the Miele version anyway, you have a double solenoid that screws directly onto the tap. If Grit blocks 1 solenoid open the other should still stop the water flow.

Likewise if the inlet hose bursts, the water should run into the sump of the dishwasher and trigger the float, or in a total failure, the machine should time out and stop filling after after a preset time.

The Bosch must have an unusual setup, because if the water level got that high in the Miele, that the water was running out around the door seal, there would be way to much water in there in the first place. The Miele detects an abnormal overfill (IE a bowl tipping over) and will cancel the wash in case it is a leak. The Bosch system mustnt be as advanced.


Post# 247201 , Reply# 40   11/8/2007 at 16:05 (6,007 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Ding Dong! Time's up! It is November 8. Have those of us in the USA clened out our Self-Cleaning Ovens for Thanksgiving?

Post# 247255 , Reply# 41   11/8/2007 at 22:43 (6,007 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Overflowing Bosch

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That happened to me once on my grandma's Siemens: I opened the door mid-cycle when it already heated up to +140°F. The sudden increase in pressure inside the tub caused the water to overflow after the cycle resumed.

I remember our AEG always did a quick drain whenever it was opened after the heater engaged. Our new Siemens either pauses for a few seconds if a cycle has been interrupted or it'll do a quick drain, too. I think if the machine should overfill, some sort of pressure switch should cause the machine to drain - that's what happened on our AEG when I manually tried filling in more water.



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