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Post# 247894   11/12/2007 at 09:23 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        

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They arrived safely yesterday. Toggles and I found that these machines were originally in Iowa, then moved to Texas. From there they went to Ohio, and then to Connecticut. There are in great shape for being moved so much. We cleanded them up nicely and proceeded to do 4 loads of laundry in them.




Post# 247895 , Reply# 1   11/12/2007 at 09:25 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Cleaning the washer interior

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Kirkland Detergent, hot water and bleach. The lint filter was disugstingly dirty and moldy.
We even caused a 'suds-lock'!


Post# 247896 , Reply# 2   11/12/2007 at 09:26 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
In the dryer

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Lint, buttons,coins, hair clips

Post# 247897 , Reply# 3   11/12/2007 at 09:28 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Interior shot

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Washer is in great shape

Post# 247898 , Reply# 4   11/12/2007 at 09:29 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Interior shot

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Dryer

Post# 247899 , Reply# 5   11/12/2007 at 09:30 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
More Dryer

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Interior

Post# 247900 , Reply# 6   11/12/2007 at 09:31 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Dryer

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Heating Element

Post# 247901 , Reply# 7   11/12/2007 at 09:32 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Dryer

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Schematics

Post# 247902 , Reply# 8   11/12/2007 at 09:32 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Dryer

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Schematics

Post# 247912 , Reply# 9   11/12/2007 at 11:25 (6,008 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

WOW.............. What a catch!!!!!!!!!!!1

Post# 247914 , Reply# 10   11/12/2007 at 11:33 (6,008 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Maytag!

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Gary,
What a real Great find.
Best Wishes,
Peter


Post# 247956 , Reply# 11   11/12/2007 at 14:47 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Dryer Control Dial

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Steve and I were a bit confused and thought that the timer on the dryer was not working properly. We were going to order another timer until we read the manual that stated that even if you set the dryer for Timed Dry(ex. 40 min), the pointer would move to the end, but continue till the clothes were dry. So what is the point of having timed dry? Guess the Electronic Dry controls were on every cycle.

We turned the pointer thru the cycles and it would not shut off. We thought the dark markings were the shut-off points to each cycle.


Post# 247957 , Reply# 12   11/12/2007 at 14:48 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Ding!Ding!

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There is also a mechanical 'bell' that rings to let you know that the clothes are done.

We took off the back panel to find exactly where that ding-dong was........


Post# 247958 , Reply# 13   11/12/2007 at 14:49 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
The rest

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of the dryer workings....

Post# 247961 , Reply# 14   11/12/2007 at 14:55 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
My Plug Queen

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created an outlet to convert a 220 dryer to 110.

We did a load of PANK jersey knit sheets in the A 712 and dried them in the DE712 on 110V. They took a long time to dry, but, came out perfectly.




Post# 247962 , Reply# 15   11/12/2007 at 14:56 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
The Maiden Load

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Sears Detergent

Lots of real Maytag action


Post# 247963 , Reply# 16   11/12/2007 at 14:57 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Suds Lock

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And a LONG spray rinse......YAY!

Post# 248020 , Reply# 17   11/12/2007 at 18:35 (6,008 days old) by appnut (TX)        
We took off the back panel to find exactly where that ding-d

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The Steve version?

I'm assuing the dryer temp buttons are air, delicate, and regular. The other two buttons are press care on and press care off.


Post# 248028 , Reply# 18   11/12/2007 at 19:09 (6,008 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
How dry I am...how wet I'll be, if I don't find the

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Gary wanted to see the ding-dong. I pretty much know what the different versins look like, and how they work at this point. :-)

The temperatures are exactly as you stated.
The other buttons are actually "Dry" and "More dry."


The more I see what these Maytag (And Kitchen Aid, too) beauties are all about, the angrier I get with Whirlpool for killing their engineering.



Post# 248032 , Reply# 19   11/12/2007 at 19:22 (6,008 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
..It was the 4th of July, I tell you !

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~My Plug Queen created an outlet to convert a 220 dryer to 110.

It's actually a very heavy-duty home-made extension cord of sorts that plugs into a 110v standard wall socket/outlet/ power-point. The other end has a large 30a 220v 3-prong receptacle.

The "hot" that handles only the heating element is actually fed a neutral in and by the extension cord; so the heater becomes about 1,250w (rounded) on 110 instead of 5,000w on 220v.

Plugging the dryer into the dyer outlet on the wall feeds the heater 220v, and using this extensio cord feeds the heater 110v.

ONLY CAVEAT:
Since this is an older cord and plug on the dryer with three conductors (instead of the newer system of 4 conductors and prongs) the ground and neutral are shared over one conductor. The machine itself is gounded/earthed to the neutral terminal of the wiring terminal block. It is therefore crucial to ensure the outlet has its polarity correct or this thingy will blow fuses at once.





Post# 248033 , Reply# 20   11/12/2007 at 19:31 (6,008 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I am insanely jealous, and only hope to find such a good pair of Maytags when it's time for my own home, which should happen sometime this summer.

:-)

It's between an LA set or a Neptune set.


Post# 248036 , Reply# 21   11/12/2007 at 19:47 (6,008 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Congrats on a lovely pair Gary

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Hey Gary,

Glad you got these machines! They look in mint condition!!
You really can't do wrong with these machines: I have the matching A512 washer and dryer pair. Pity we never had the TOL versions here!

Cheers
Leon


Post# 248071 , Reply# 22   11/12/2007 at 22:18 (6,008 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Hey Gary - this set is in AMAZING shape! So glad you saved them, the photos were just a blast. Glad to hear they had a home in Iowa at one time :-) I also had no idea the bell was still being used on the 12 series machines - way cool.

Ben


Post# 248076 , Reply# 23   11/12/2007 at 22:31 (6,008 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Gary and Steve these machines are just beautiful!! What a great find. Glad that you were able to save them.

Post# 248080 , Reply# 24   11/12/2007 at 22:41 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Ben

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Glad you enjoyed the pics. Was a fun day to bring these machines back to life.

Yay for 4 speed selections.....TOL!


Can anyone tell me the approximate date of manufacture?

The back label states 'Series 04'






Post# 248086 , Reply# 25   11/12/2007 at 22:55 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
These machines have found their place

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In the laundry room with their older cousins

Maytag A108 washer and DE309 dryer


Post# 248089 , Reply# 26   11/12/2007 at 23:00 (6,008 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
And some more cousins

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Tag Hags

Post# 248090 , Reply# 27   11/12/2007 at 23:06 (6,008 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The Bristol Maytag Laundramat!!

Post# 248107 , Reply# 28   11/13/2007 at 00:32 (6,008 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Oooh, they look wonderful! These machines were built like tanks, I always thought the dryers were a little over-built.

Was the lens missing for the drum lamp on the dryer? It should be there as the machine will draw air through this and throw off the balance of the universe and probably slow down drying. I would think you might be able to find this part - #3-12892 (new # would be 3012892).

From the Maytag service manual on the DE712 time dry control:

Time Dry Operation - D712

With timer set for Time Dry, contact 3 and 4 in timer (BU to WH/RD) are closed and bypass the capacitor charging circuit. Since capacitor cannot charge, the solenoid cannot energize to shut dryer off. When the selected time has run down, contact 4 opens and contact 5 closes (BU to GY). This bypasses both high value resistors on the control board (13M & 33M) to set up a "fast charge" circuit through 3 meg-ohm repeat chime resistor. The capacitor will charge in about 1 to 1 1/2 minutes and energize the shut-off solenoid. Cool-down will follow if heat was selected for the Time Dry cycle.

Note: If the load is still "wet" at this point the sensor will prevent the charge from building on the the capacitor until the load is down to at least Damp Dry.


Post# 248109 , Reply# 29   11/13/2007 at 00:39 (6,008 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        

Congratulations on getting your new set. They look like they just came from the factory.

Have a good one,
James


Post# 248126 , Reply# 30   11/13/2007 at 06:51 (6,008 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
But then again WHY mess with a classic?

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Fascinating, thank you Gansky for the technicals.


~Note: If the load is still "wet" at this point the sensor will prevent the charge from building on the the capacitor until the load is down to at least Damp Dry.

Fascinating, thank you Gansky for the technicals.

Or I could put a switch in effectively bypassing the appropriate sensor (to ground/earth) and fool the damn thing into shutting off!

(Hello Doctor? Hi, yes I 've been noticing excessive and continuous dishcharge......)


Post# 248135 , Reply# 31   11/13/2007 at 07:37 (6,007 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
WOW!

Those are beauties Gary, congrats on them!

Post# 248137 , Reply# 32   11/13/2007 at 08:14 (6,007 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Oopsie~!

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Toggle realized you would need a switch to prevent it from grouinding to fool it into shutting off.




Post# 248160 , Reply# 33   11/13/2007 at 11:36 (6,007 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Whirlpool killing Kitchenaid washer engineering

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As far as I can recall, Kitchenaid didn't have any washers before Whirlpool bought them. My impression was that KA washers were TOL Whirpool, more or less incorporating with a year or so delay the little extras that Kenmore added to their Whirlpool sourced washers/dryers. The Kitchenaid Superba seemed to be equivalent to a Lady Kenmore in features.

The dishwashers of course are another matter. So far they haven't gutted the stand mixers, but give them time ;-(.

I do regret letting a beautiful digital push button all-black matching Kitchenaid washer/dryer set slip a couple of years ago. It really looked nice (posted the CL photos here, as I recall). Don't know if Kenmore ever had anything equivalent to that set.




Post# 248168 , Reply# 34   11/13/2007 at 12:37 (6,007 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I guess I shouldn't be suprised to see how similar things look behind the panels on these machines compared to their 10-15 year older counterparts. Amazed to see the end of cycle bell still being used though.

What beautiful and clean machines these are! I swear if I had a set-up for an extra laundry pair, I would likely own a vintage Maytag W/D. There are times when you need to do some kick-ass laundering that requires a workhorse like Maytag was once famous for. My Duet washer needs to be treated with kid gloves and it would be refreshing to be able to run a tough load through a machine that was capable of taking anything you could throw at it, quietly and efficiently handling it all with the ease and simplicity that makes Maytags so attractive.

Congratulations on a great score!

Ralph


Post# 248312 , Reply# 35   11/14/2007 at 11:24 (6,006 days old) by estesguy (kansas)        
Control switch

Seeing that control switch on that dryer brings back memories. That thing can be a problem. I had a TOL DE810, maybe? Its been too many years to remember for sure but I bought it in 1984. It was totally electronic. I don't even think it had any selections for timed drying. Anyways, after a few years it would run okay, but quit heating somewhere along the line after you started a load. If you would re-start the load, it would heat fine for awhile, then quit again. So that lead me to the control switch. If I held the push to start button down, it would heat fine. When you push to start it moves a bakelite strip sideways inside of this control, causing some contact points to close and others to open. Over time, this bakelite wears down somehow, and just the small vibration of the dryer running causes this strip to move, allowing the points for the heating element to become open, and you loose heat. The only way to fix this that I know of, was to replace the control switch with a new one. They would last several years, but eventually, I had to replace it again. Other than that, I had no problems, but that switch can cause you some problems. Just an FYI that might help someone with the same problem, figure out how to fix it quicker.

Post# 248321 , Reply# 36   11/14/2007 at 12:34 (6,006 days old) by jimmyb (Texas Y’all)        
Great Machines

They are great condition and a nice addition to your collection!

Post# 248342 , Reply# 37   11/14/2007 at 15:06 (6,006 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Thanks for the compliments

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I am seriously considering making this set my 'daily drivers'.


Post# 248359 , Reply# 38   11/14/2007 at 18:39 (6,006 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Oh, those are the same Maytag Neptunes with mechanical controls you posted about in another thread. You should now find one of those Top-Loading Maytag Neptune washers with the 2 discs inside that counter-rotate. And of course its matching dryer.

Post# 248512 , Reply# 39   11/15/2007 at 18:48 (6,005 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Is that what they were called?

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Top-Loading Maytag Neptune washers with the 2 discs inside that counter-rotate?

Or was there another name to them besides 'Neptune'????


Post# 248520 , Reply# 40   11/15/2007 at 19:30 (6,005 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Neptune TL. The discs rotate in the same direction, not counter-wise.

Post# 248523 , Reply# 41   11/15/2007 at 19:47 (6,005 days old) by washerfanatic ()        

Nice Collection Gary! These were not as classic as center Dials, but were 10,000 times better than when Maytag sunk its boat with Norge, Admiral and Tragic Chef in the 90's.

Post# 248581 , Reply# 42   11/16/2007 at 03:39 (6,005 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Gorgeous set!! The washer is identical to the center dial machines with the exception of the console and its related components (switches, timer, buttons, ect). TOL machines like this set have a few more options than the TOL center dial counterpart but I'm not bias between either as I own and operate both generations. As long as it contains the older Newton drive tranny, you can't go wrong and it'll last forever!!

Post# 248588 , Reply# 43   11/16/2007 at 07:19 (6,005 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I love how these Maytags are able to automatically UN-suds lock 99% of the time.
How do they know? the pressure sensor?


Post# 248869 , Reply# 44   11/18/2007 at 14:37 (6,002 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Well, most modern-day machines both Front-Load and Top-Load have the capability to un-sudslock if one occurs. My Kenmore Elite Oasis with agitator can do it but it has never sudslocked before. We have never sudslocked any of our 3 washers that we've owned even once. This is because we measure our detergent with the cap before it goes in.

Post# 248878 , Reply# 45   11/18/2007 at 15:47 (6,002 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Very nice. I have an A810 and a DE810 set. Boy, are those some awesome machines.

Good Luck!

Steve


Post# 248912 , Reply# 46   11/18/2007 at 20:01 (6,002 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
I have an A810 and a DE810 set.

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Steve,

Any pics? How do they compare to the ones that I got?

You are right....they are awesome machines.

Steve and I just happened to be lucky.





Post# 248936 , Reply# 47   11/18/2007 at 22:09 (6,002 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        

Great Thread! Maytags were the smartest machines in the world. Shame on Whirlpool for bastardizing them and getting rid of the Dependable Care design. Nice pictures. Good luck with the machines, you won't need it, but good luck.

Post# 248939 , Reply# 48   11/18/2007 at 22:19 (6,002 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Maytag!

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Gary,
This is a real awsome Maytag set.
I love thest the most out of all the Maytags.
Best Wishes
Peter


Post# 248969 , Reply# 49   11/18/2007 at 23:02 (6,002 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
Gary & Steve

WOW!!!! the Tag's look brand new! Where in the world did you find them?
Congrats on your new "babies"


Shane


Post# 249018 , Reply# 50   11/19/2007 at 06:06 (6,002 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Where in the world did you find them?

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Happened to find them from a Craigslist listing. I was actually the second person to respond. I was very lucky because the first person could not negotiate a deal with the seller due to a timing issue. When I went to see them prior to picking them up last Sunday, I knew I had to have them since I saw that turquoise powerfin and thought 'helical drive'. Upon more comments from site members, I learned that these machines were TOL and one of the last made with the powerfin agitator.


Thank you mixfinder for introducing me to Craigslist.


Post# 249023 , Reply# 51   11/19/2007 at 06:24 (6,002 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Pic of Maytag A810

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Hey Gary,
You asked Steve what a Maytag A810 looks like...well, here's the front of a brochure i have for the "10" series which shows the TOL A810.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 249039 , Reply# 52   11/19/2007 at 07:51 (6,001 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
A810

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Gary, here it is, this is the closest one I have. And no, my hair is all cut off now.

Steve


Post# 249040 , Reply# 53   11/19/2007 at 07:58 (6,001 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Thanks

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Leon:

Thanks for the scan.

Steve:

Does that machine have the turquoise powerfin? Helical drive?


Post# 249045 , Reply# 54   11/19/2007 at 08:16 (6,001 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Yes

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It has the turquoise powerfin with helical drive. This set was 1980.

Steve


Post# 249051 , Reply# 55   11/19/2007 at 08:40 (6,001 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Thanks~!

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What is the estimated date of manufacture for the machines that I got last week? I guess newer than yours???

Do you have close-up shots of the control panels for the washer and dryer to see what the buttons and dial settings are?





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