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Post# 252897 12/8/2007 at 18:12 (5,977 days old) by gansky1  (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 252898 , Reply# 1 12/8/2007 at 18:13 (5,977 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 252899 , Reply# 2 12/8/2007 at 18:14 (5,977 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 252902 , Reply# 3 12/8/2007 at 18:16 (5,977 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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I finally gave up and after the final 180 RPM spin (yeah, really 180 RPM!) I took them to the 58 Frigidaire for two more rinses. Adding Downy didn't work, allowing them to rest and the suds fall apart worked until I turned the machine back on. I should have followed the sticker by the door that instructs the owner to use only AD, Dash or Vim for best results. Should I send these pics to Costco and complain?
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Post# 252908 , Reply# 4 12/8/2007 at 18:34 (5,977 days old) by supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Yes! | ||
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Post# 252924 , Reply# 6 12/8/2007 at 19:51 (5,977 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Greg, you've mentioned you have mechanically softened water, as do I; I find Tide HE to be too sudsy---not necessarily in the wash, but it is tenacious throughout the rinse cycles. I'm tellin' ya: SA8, or if you're really feel like blowing the bank account, UK Persil (both powedered) are the way to go for cleaner rinses in front-loaders. By the way, hell of a suds cake, there, bud! :) | ||
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Post# 252926 , Reply# 7 12/8/2007 at 19:54 (5,977 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 252927 , Reply# 8 12/8/2007 at 20:05 (5,977 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Love how that sudser works with the door open | ||
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Post# 252928 , Reply# 9 12/8/2007 at 20:09 (5,977 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 252947 , Reply# 11 12/8/2007 at 22:07 (5,977 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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Wow, so much for low sudsing huh? I agree you should complain, and perhaps get a refund from Costco. It was advertised as low sudsing, and you used it carefully according to it's intended purpose, resulting in a sudsy mess. By all means, if that is what you want to do, go for it. Good Luck, James | ||
| Post# 252993 , Reply# 12 12/9/2007 at 08:17 (5,976 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.) | ||
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You could invoke the Uniform Commercial Code and get them for something that was "unmerchantable for its intended use"... | ||
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Post# 252997 , Reply# 13 12/9/2007 at 09:12 (5,976 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC) |
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Sears Ultra Plus I've used Sears Ultra Plus powder detergent for 30 years. Low sudsing. Works great in top loader or front loader. Cleans well. Smells fresh. Jerry Gay | ||
| Post# 253000 , Reply# 14 12/9/2007 at 09:37 (5,976 days old) by ~sudsshane () | ||
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Hi Greg~ Buy a box of Fab "Rain Forest" Powder and call it a day. I personally don't care for the Kirkland Powder Detergent. Yes, you should most definately send those pics in and ask for a refund! | ||
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Post# 253003 , Reply# 15 12/9/2007 at 09:48 (5,976 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 253006 , Reply# 16 12/9/2007 at 09:52 (5,976 days old) by bleacho () | ||
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they'll refund you they refund anything. surprised about the suds, though.. ive used the liquid kirkland HE and it works great in my frontloader.. also, this detergent is rated one of the best in the comsumer mags. | ||
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Post# 253011 , Reply# 17 12/9/2007 at 09:57 (5,976 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago) |
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Washer vomit | ||
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Post# 253014 , Reply# 18 12/9/2007 at 10:05 (5,976 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Here are the instructions on the box, notice it tells you to use MORE detergent for HE machines. I'm not too worried about a refund, it works just fine in a top-loader and although I hadn't tried it in a front-load washer, the Calypso was very unhappy with this formula and I figured this would happen in the Westy. I have lots of HE detergents around here from all over the world but what surprised me was that the suds didn't dissipate after the wash - they were pretty stubborn, even after a proper spin and rinse in the Unimatic. Oh well, the front of the machine is clean, as is the floor around it so it wasn't a total tragedy!
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Post# 253031 , Reply# 19 12/9/2007 at 12:30 (5,976 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Yah, I complained about the Kirkland "HE Compatible" line of laundry detergents when they first came out a couple of years ago. Not only are they too high sudsing to be suitable for HE washers, but they also have ass-backwards dosing instructions. Someone up there in Kirkland, Washington didn't do their homework. Sears Ultra HE is a good choice - and their Oxyclean boosted product is even lower sudsing than their other formulations. Not real fond of Tide HE here - too much OBA's, it tends to make dark colors look faded. The Sears product have a lot less OBA's (confirmed by Consumer Reports). For bath towels, I like Safeway Select HE free liquid. Low sudsing, and leaves towels relatively soft. Another good choice for bath towels is regular Persil powder. Also leaves towels relatively soft. | ||
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Post# 253042 , Reply# 20 12/9/2007 at 13:01 (5,976 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I sent this note to Costco, via email, just now: Hi. Please don't get me wrong. I love Costco. Generally high quality products and often the lowest prices around. However, I must take you to task over your line of "HE Compatible" laundry detergents. I have tried both the powder and liquid versions of your HE Compatible laundry detergent. In both cases I have found the products to product too much suds in my front loader to be effective for cleaning. In order to keep the suds level down, I have to add so little product that it doesn't have enough concentration to clean properly. To make matters worse, the dosage instructions on your packaging are backwards. The instructions say to add more product for HE washers than for standard washers. In reality, one should almost always add less product for HE washers than for standard washers, in order to keep sudsing under control. I would like to suggest that you go back to your supplier and work with them to produce a true HE laundry detergent, and to edit the dosage instructions on the packaging accordingly. Thanks! | ||
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Post# 253043 , Reply# 21 12/9/2007 at 13:05 (5,976 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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A picture speaks a thousand words... | ||
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Post# 253045 , Reply# 22 12/9/2007 at 13:24 (5,976 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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IMO those "HE" detergents are just a high-priced rip off. I wonder why Costco does not market the "Institutional" stuff in the plastic bucket, to those who need really low-sudsing performance? Oh, and don't forget FAB! | ||
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Post# 253046 , Reply# 23 12/9/2007 at 13:26 (5,976 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Funny thing, Lightedcontrols was with us all day and evening yesterday so I know she had nothing to do with that sudz-lock----but it sure has her signature all over it----hmmmmm------was the machine also seriously overloaded? | ||
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Post# 253048 , Reply# 24 12/9/2007 at 13:41 (5,976 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 253049 , Reply# 25 12/9/2007 at 13:50 (5,976 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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My own little experiment
I did a little custom detergent mixing yesterday. I split my towel load in two, including a thick terry bathrobe in one of the loads. For the experiment, I used 2 oz of an STPP-silicate mixture, and 1 tsp of liquid surfactant NP-9. This worked well for the first load - minimal sudsing and good results. Used the same dosing for the second load, but something went really wrong. I happened to look at the control panel mid-way and noticed it had gone into a suds-rinse mode before the wash cycle was over. Opened the door, and suds were 3/4 of the way up the drum. But luckily the washer had already drained most of the water so the suds were relatively dry and stiff, and didn't flow out of the aperature. I just let the machine do its thing and the final results were good as well. NP-9 is a surfactant that was given to me by the chemical supply warehouse where I bought a lot of STPP a few years back. I hadn't used it much until now, and wanted to see if eliminating sodium carbonate from the mix, using 90%STPP and 10% sodium silicate instead, would result in softer terry cloth. The verdict: not bad. Definitely softer than a carbonate laced powder would result in. Not quite as soft as a good liquid, like Safeway Ultra 2x free HE. Somewhere in between. Unfortunately I don't have a "softness meter" so the results are necessarily subjective and partly based on memory. Don't know why the second load oversudsed, though. Maybe the bathrobe in the first load was dirty enough, or once treated with fabric softener, so that it suppressed the suds. Maybe there was excess residual detergent on some of the towels in the second load. I know that if I repeat this particular formulation I'll only add the STPP at first, then check the suds level, and then add 1/2 tsp of the surfactant and check the suds level again, adding more if needed to achieve light sudsing. Oh, yah, I have a whole gallon of the NP-9, plenty for a lot of experiments ;-) | ||
| Post# 253056 , Reply# 26 12/9/2007 at 14:06 (5,976 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Hello fellow over-sudsers.
We've all been in situations where we are completely in the dark about something painfully obvious to someone else. Every one here knows that a higher dose of soap for an HE is ludicrous beyond belief. How did a mistake that grand ever get so far, i.e., so far up the editorial food chain-- and worse !--remain there all these years? Boggles de mind!
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Post# 253110 , Reply# 28 12/9/2007 at 19:22 (5,976 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I think there are two different Kirkland detergent pails. The round five gallon bucket is high sudsing. The square "institutional" bucket is supposed to be low sudsing. However, I haven't tried either. Both are mostly sodium carbonate - washing soda, with no enzymes. Which explains their mediocre performance. | ||
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Post# 253111 , Reply# 29 12/9/2007 at 19:27 (5,976 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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Low Sudsing | ||
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Post# 253115 , Reply# 30 12/9/2007 at 19:42 (5,976 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Next time this happens, simply add a tablespoon or less of any oil. Baby oil, canola, carpet detergent defoamer (silicone), it does not matter. All oils are defoaming agents (as any one who has whipped egg whites knows), and will cause the suds to go away. Pure soap is tricky as if the water is very soft, soap may initially reduce sudsing, but the foam will soon come back as the soap mixes with the wash bath. Best to add enough soap to kill the suds,then allow the machine to drain. The oil trick was given to me when we got our first front loader and used more Tide HE, (like a fool used the entire sample packet as per the directions), and soon enough had enough foam to make a "Bobby Brady" moment. Quick call to our appliance repair guy gave us the oil trick, and it worked a treat. L. | ||
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Post# 253126 , Reply# 31 12/9/2007 at 20:13 (5,976 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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I have used a couple of the pails from Costco. I didn't find it particularly low-sudsing, in fact, the Duet cringes & shudders when it hears the lid being peeled off that bucket. I used it for rags, and heavily soiled things. I can spike that with ammonia or bleach(es) and use it in very hot water and don't have to feel guilty about being the cause of an enzyme massacre. It certainly has it's place in the "Soap Chest" of my laundry days.
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Post# 253147 , Reply# 32 12/9/2007 at 21:09 (5,976 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Oil calms those sudsy waters...
Ahem, Only the finest Extra Virgin First Cold Press Organic Olive Oil for my washers, thank you very much... And it had better be Chateau Froufrou Napa Valley Special Reserve pressing... Seriously, good suggestion. I'd probably use a bland odorless colorless oil like safflower, canola. Not sure if the polyunsaturated nature of most veggie oils is a plus or minus. I don't think fine linens will care if it's Omega-3 or whatever, though. Gary - yeah, that's the bucket I was thinking of. Have you found it to be high sudsing? If so, D'oh! | ||
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Post# 253148 , Reply# 33 12/9/2007 at 21:11 (5,976 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 253153 , Reply# 34 12/9/2007 at 21:17 (5,976 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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Gary - yeah, that's the bucket I was thinking of. Have y | ||
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Post# 253162 , Reply# 35 12/9/2007 at 21:33 (5,976 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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The smell, the smell!  | ||
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Post# 253170 , Reply# 37 12/9/2007 at 21:41 (5,976 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Oh, no leaking in the heater box here - I rebuilt all that when the combo came. The original rubber seal was completely crisped and half gone. I replaced it with an Oreck vacuum cleaner belt and hi-temp gasket silicone. I pulled the front panel after the suds to see if there were any drips from the heater box and it was all completely dry. What a horrible design that was - I can see why they recalled them all!
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Post# 253172 , Reply# 38 12/9/2007 at 21:50 (5,976 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Mayhaps it would help to keep a bottle of carpet defoamer on hand, and dose a small amount per wash as insurance. Stuff works wonders in preventing sudsing/knocking down suds. You may also try quickly opening the door and chucking one or more of those anti-gas softgels into the machine. Gas-X and the generic knock-offs are a type of silicone. What you also could do is pour some oil on a clean washcloth or rag, and chuck it into the machine. This does work as noticed when laundering lots of washcloths, there is absoultely no suds, even with Tide with Bleach. Didn't make the connection at first then realised the cloths contained soap from use while bathing, and that soap residue was keeping the suds down. Also when I knocked over a bottle of carpet defoamer, used a Handi-wipe to clean up the spill, then tried to wash out the cloth in the slop sink. No matter how much dish detergent I used, there were NO suds. L. | ||
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Post# 253292 , Reply# 39 12/10/2007 at 15:35 (5,975 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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| Post# 253376 , Reply# 41 12/11/2007 at 04:05 (5,975 days old) by electron800 () | ||
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180rpm!? Is that really the top spin speed of this machine? The clothes must still be dripping wet after that. | ||
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Post# 253387 , Reply# 42 12/11/2007 at 07:31 (5,974 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Oh honey, I have been called a winner before! | ||
| Post# 253388 , Reply# 43 12/11/2007 at 08:15 (5,974 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
I like the Persil and the SA-8
Although the SA-8 was even a little too high suds even for my Miele. I have to run a full load with it. The stuff works good. I am not much of a Tide fan, at my Cosco they sell the Liquid Tide, and I am not at all tempted. I have heard from friends that it is good for fading clothes badly. I have used one less expensive alternative that works very well, and that is Faks detergent. It is not as good as Persil, it takes two scoops, does the job, and a 3 Kilo box is 12.95 at the European store on Hawthorne. I use it for the sheets and linnens from an Org that I wash for. The smell is quite nice, and there are no suds at all. I like that. Works great for the 190 washes. I would take it back to Cosco. That can't be good for the Berrings in your Gorgious from loader. I placed a link for the Faks if you were thinking about buying it. For the money, it is not bad stuff.
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