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Post# 256060   12/24/2007 at 07:54 (5,960 days old) by maytagwc401 ()        

I want to replace my Kenmore Ultra wash by a new dishwasher after the Holidays.
I am hesitating between the top of the line Maytag (or Jenn-Air, or Electrolux) since they all seem to be of the design, or going with the Bosch dishwasher. I need a top rack that can handle tall wine glasses without slanting them sideways. I want a quiet machine. I like to put in my pots and pans too, and I don't like to pre-rinse. My Kenmore does a good job, but the racks are starting to show some rusty spots after 9 years. I hate the plastic tub. The upper rack is not deep enough.
What should I pick?

Thanks, and Merry Christmas and A happy new year to all.

Serge





Post# 256062 , Reply# 1   12/24/2007 at 08:08 (5,960 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        
BOSCH BOSCH BOSCH

I recommend Bosch to you.
I have a new Bosch since 2 weeks, and it´s terrific!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO lavamat78800's LINK


Post# 256064 , Reply# 2   12/24/2007 at 08:45 (5,960 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

...
I´m so pleased with it!
You can put all in it, pots&pans and other things and all comes out sparkling clean!
The racks are very handy, and thanks to VarioFlex, you can be very flexible! Wineglasses are no problem, you can put them in the upper and also in the lower rack.
Bosch dishwashers are rated best from a german consumermagazine. Even Mieles aren´t as good as the Bosch´s.
If I were you, I would go for the Bosch SGI58M05EU.
I don´t know if the model number is the same in the US as in Germany.


Bosch Bosch Bosch!!


Post# 256067 , Reply# 3   12/24/2007 at 09:16 (5,960 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Miele Miele Miele....And I am unanimous in that! Love the dishwasher we have. Bosch looks kinda cheesey but thats my opinion. And thats why we didnt get one. They clean well but the plastic bottom arm of a Bosch...nah...if I am going to spend that kinda money there had better be a stainless steel arm. The Miele has the stainless steel arm top and bottom. Plastic for the middle arm plus it has sensors to let you know if one of them gets blocked. Very handy to have.
Once you have a Miele product in your home your hooked. Anything else is a compromise...as they say.
Oh and not to forget ...loading...extremely flexible. Rack inserts come out and most of the bottom rack except for the from tines thats dont come out ...you can make it a flat rack to fit all kinds of stuff. Plus with mine there is a Tall items cycle...you can pull the middle rack out and it will shut off the middle arm outlet...just run the top and bottom arm. It will fit refrigerator shelves and the crispers in to get clean. done that myself. I cant say enough.


Post# 256070 , Reply# 4   12/24/2007 at 09:52 (5,960 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE Profile

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I love my GE Profile tall tub and the newer SS interior models are even nicer.
pETER


Post# 256072 , Reply# 5   12/24/2007 at 10:00 (5,960 days old) by funguy10 ()        

You want to replace it just because the racks are beggining to rust? Do you know they have kits to repair damaged racks? We've had a Kenmore Ultra Wash dishwasher for 9 years in my house and it still looks and cleans like the day it was installed. Our racks are not rusting at all. The only problem we've ever had with the dishwasher is that when it was first installed, on the first cycle it did, a drain pipe for the dishwsher was broken under the sink and it resulted in an undersink flood the first time it drained. The plastic tub is not a big deal. It is not corroding or anything. It is not a big deal if wine glasses tip over. Only if they turn over and are still full of water at the end of the cycle. This was kind of spotty because we never wash wine glasses in it. The machine is quiet enough for us to run it during the day with no problem. I can't say anything about Pots & Pans because we never wash them in there. We always use the Normal cycle with Water Heat. There is no need to pre-rinse dishes with it because of the Ultra Wash Module in the bottom. It is just like a built-in garbage disposal and even bone is no match for it. Our model of the machine is Black and has square buttons and a 2-digit time remaining display. Our machine does not have the Sani-Rinse option or a Sanitized light. It has separate Sensing and Water Heating lights and delay start up to 9 hours at 1 hour increments. The model number of ours in 15835792.

Thus ends my rant.


Post# 256079 , Reply# 6   12/24/2007 at 11:26 (5,960 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I've had the TOL Maytag with stainless steel interior for over 2 years and I love it! It cleans amazingly well, handles all sorts of very large/oddly-shaped pots & pans. The top rack pulls out completely if you have something really big to wash in the lower rack (like my 5-gallon beverage dispensers).

There isn't a more versatile machine when it comes to loading. It isn't as quiet as a Bosch, but it isn't noisy by any stretch of the imagination. And you can put wine glasses in the top rack without leaning them sideways.


Post# 256095 , Reply# 7   12/24/2007 at 14:39 (5,960 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
I Vote

A Miele Tall tub.

Plenty of room top and bottom.

Mike, the bottom spray arm is plastic, it just has a SS cover over the top. Pull it out and have a look.


Post# 256155 , Reply# 8   12/24/2007 at 22:01 (5,960 days old) by mattshaver ()        

My 6 years old Kenmore Elite went south with leaking and it never really cleaned very well. I looked at Maytag, Kitchen Aid and Bosch. My mom has a Bosch and she packs that machine like clowns in a circus car and they always come out clean.

For me, clean dishes is one thing but the sound is another. My LR is near the kitchen and I have to own a quiet machine. I narrowed down my decision between the KA and the Bosch. I finally went with the Bosch unit after hearing that a KA unit is not the KA unit my mom had in the 80s. Those units were built by Hobart and these are upscale Whirlpool units with more options.

While I'm not bashing the new KA machines, the Bosch seemed to be a better fit for me personally. After the install, which went very smoothly, I had to get used to smaller baskets and new loading arrangements. However, I must admit, it's very very quiet, and cleans everything. The only issue is that it does not have a food disposal and there are a couple filters that need periodic rinsing and cleaning. That's not a big deal. Overall, while my wallet wished for a Miele, the Bosch was the perfect fit all around!



Post# 256157 , Reply# 9   12/24/2007 at 22:22 (5,960 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
If the Sears works well,

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don't replace it, repair it.
If you have to replace it, either a Miele or a Bosch. Modern American dishwashers are, sadly, just nowhere as good as US built units from the 1990's.
Bosch, in Europe, is considered to be a very good workhorse dishwasher, but not at all the noble brand it is marketed as in the US.
Miele, on the other hand, is worth every single penny. My two (one got dropped down the stairs during a move) have, together, put in 24 years of service without a single problem. No pre-rinsing needed and pots and pans are actually cleaned.
Of course, a lot has to do with the detergent you use. A really good enzyme detergent and hot enough water make all the difference in the world.
The BOL Amana I bought my folks (have to go American in their household, sigh) will clean even potatoes, grits, egg and baked on ickyness without pre-rinsing when I use my Somat tabs from Germany. With Great Value (A damn good detergent from Walmart, go figure) it does nearly as well.
LG has a very good reputation in Europe, but I wouldn't wish their customer service in the US on my worst enemy.
Pity the drawer dishwashers are such crap.


Post# 256161 , Reply# 10   12/24/2007 at 22:50 (5,960 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        

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Of course i have to say bosch. They have served me well, in more ways than one. Im currently washing with a SHV99a13uc. (discontinued)This was one of the models with the sens-o-touch contols that will accept a wood door panel or accessory black/stainless panel. I purchesed the optional "2005" stainless door/handle because of its "towel bar" handle. It was the best i could do to match my cabinet handles. I posted a pic. You will notice the stainless door/handle, The SHX99a15 is the equivelint model that comes stainless out of the box but the handle is different. You may still be able to find this model of one simular to it. (not sure what color you want) It has the alternating spray simular to Frigidaire/Electrolux. Its quiet and does the job.



P.S. This is one of the models with the "info light" Mine is rated @ 46db. There are a select few models quieter than mine.


Hope you are happy with what brand/model you chose. :)




Scott


Post# 256169 , Reply# 11   12/24/2007 at 23:56 (5,960 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

I've had excellent luck with the GE tall tub DW. It cleans pots and pans brilliantly, even stuck on cooked cereal is no challenge for it. It's even removed burned on Cream of Wheat a couple of times when I left the pot in the stovetop with the gas burner still on low. Can't complain about that.

Some of the TOL models can be pricey, and it's not quite as quiet as a Miele or Bosch, but the MOL models are very reasonable and work just as well (same cycle setup and wash system). It's Normal cycle takes a total of 45 - 60 minutes, and it has a 1000 watt heating element to heat things up quickly. Mine has stainless interior with hidden top controls and I paid $660 for it at the Sears Outlet store. It was worth every penny and then some.


Post# 256182 , Reply# 12   12/25/2007 at 03:14 (5,959 days old) by re563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

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BOSCH!!!!!!!!!

I've had many dishwashers over the years and most did a very good job at cleaning. But, since I got my Bosch 2 yrs ago, I wouldn't own anything else. True, there is no disposial unit in it, but I clean out the filters every 3 mos and when I do there is next to nothing in them and I don't rinse before loading. At first I thought the racks were smaller too, and maybe they are, but I sure can get alot into mine. When family is over they are always amazed how much goes in and how clean and shiny everything is when it comes out.


Post# 256186 , Reply# 13   12/25/2007 at 05:15 (5,959 days old) by mrwash ()        
LG

@ panthera: LG may be good in building stuff like TV's, cameras, DVD-Players and so on but their washing machines aren't good. Some manufactures should stick to their roots and concentrate on what they can do well.

The same thing like Samsung. Just look at the last washing machine tests and you'll find Lg and Samsung on the last places.


Post# 256189 , Reply# 14   12/25/2007 at 06:46 (5,959 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Even handy´s manufactured by LG are shit!
Broken after one year, not replaced and repaired by LG.
Have to look for a new one, even that there is still warranty on it!


Post# 256197 , Reply# 15   12/25/2007 at 07:53 (5,959 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Yeah I know that the bottom arm underside is plastic but for effect the stainless is nice.

Post# 256255 , Reply# 16   12/25/2007 at 17:02 (5,959 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I too must recommend GE.
I seriously think (despite what some of you may think of GE as a brand) that GE dishwashers are still some of the more robust on the market today. The tall tub models use a mere 1.2gallons per fill, yet they're able to use a beefy pump and still have pretty strong spray for today's machines.
They have an excellent active "ExtraFine" filter system and yes, a very beefy Calrod(r) heater.
Their electronic boards are hit or miss, but we've always had excellent service from GE repair...so, I give MY GE endorsement. My parents have had the GSD6660 Triton XL since 2003 and it's been a great workhorse.

I would also like to endorse Maytag's tall tub machines. I've heard great things about them (as well as weaknesses with their control panels and door latches). I myself WANT to get their 3 rack machine for my house someday.
But I cannot recommend Maytag since I have no experience with them.


Post# 256278 , Reply# 17   12/25/2007 at 21:14 (5,959 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Here is my wish-list for an ideal DW-

Good racking.
SS inner tub.
Mechanical timer.
Forced-air drying
Interior light.
Double final rinses.

AND THE WORST POSSIBLE WATER EFFICENCY STCIKER THERE IS.

Water is recyclable / renewable. Machines that use very little of it waste huge quantites of time and electricity (which are not renewable) to boost performance.


Post# 256285 , Reply# 18   12/25/2007 at 21:43 (5,959 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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GE Profile tall tub models are absolutely fabulous!No pre rinsing,heavy duty nylon coated racks,a detegent dispenser that holds a month's worth of liquid detergent,one of the lowest if not the lowest decibles in sound.NO PRE RINSING!,adjustable upper rack for taller glassware,and a very powerfull wash system that filters 100% of the water 100% of the time no need (as in all imported dishwashers excluding the L.G.)to clean any type of filters because of the stainless steel built in disposall.I had their middle of the line(GSD8880)Triton model with a polly tub for over a year and boy do I miss that machine!I never prerinse anything.I just scrape the bulk off.My roommates at that time hated seeing me do that but then again,they also hated seeing me let my dog lick my plate.I always used the sani-cycle.Not because I thought my dog would contaminate my dishes but because the hotter the water,the cleaner the dishes get because hot water cuts the grease and loosens the hard to get off foods like lasagnia and melted cheese.Great dishwashers!

Post# 256290 , Reply# 19   12/25/2007 at 21:56 (5,959 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Here's a dishwasher that'll drive you over the bend, Togs; This Asko uses only THREE GALLONS of water in its normal cycle. Highly rated by CR for cleaning ability, too.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO frigilux's LINK


Post# 256291 , Reply# 20   12/25/2007 at 22:01 (5,959 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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More on the super-stingy Asko 3531XLHD from the Asko USA website:

Post# 256293 , Reply# 21   12/25/2007 at 22:13 (5,959 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Whoops---I forgot that the CR page is for subscribers only. Sorry, kids.

They rated the ASKO excellent in energy efficiency, cleaning ability and noise.
The machine costs a mere $1600.

Asko (according to CR member responses) is more repair-prone than most other brands (except for Fisher & Paykel).



Post# 256294 , Reply# 22   12/25/2007 at 22:47 (5,959 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)        
The Bosch experience

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I have a lower end Bosch dishwasher that came with the house. It only has 2 cycles. Regular wash and rinse hold. The racks are basic and are terrible for loading. Not enough tines on the upper rack. No wine glass holder. No large utensil holder. For table silverware I prefer a long silverware rack in the front of the lower rack. I'm not fond of the box kind. The biggest downside is it take 2 hours for the regular cycle. Yes,2 hours. The water temp at the kitchen sink is 140 degrees and I always run hot water at the kitchensink first before starting the dishwasher. You have to be a patient person to own this dishwasher. On the upside it does clean the dishes well and is very quiet. I liked my Kitchenaid and Kenmore much better. The Kitchenaid was just as quiet,cleaned just as good,and was much more versitile in loading.

Post# 256310 , Reply# 23   12/26/2007 at 02:56 (5,958 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        
GE

Got go with the GE. I have an upper MOL and love it. My bottom rack can be completely flat, useful when I put the vegetable crispers from the fridge in there. The top rack is very adjustable too, can be adjusted up or down on either side, most dividers can be set down too for a flat surface. It cleans whatever I throw at it, it is very rare to find anything that might need rewashing. I have a lot of flexibility with the cycles plus all the options I need. I choose the model I did because it had a poly tub. I think they are quieter, retain heat better and basically I like a white interior in my dishwasher not a dark metal one (put some lights in a stainless tub and you might get me to try one...).

I've had pretty good luck with GE models, the previous one I had was a bit short lived, but it was close to BOL. Previous units lasted quite a long time. I tried several other brands, returned them all.


Post# 256359 , Reply# 24   12/26/2007 at 13:53 (5,958 days old) by maytagwc401 ()        

Thanks for your opinions. I forgot about the GE models. I read some bad reviews in the past on epinions.com. I do like their racks. The only thing that I do not like about it was the flatware basket. It does not have a tall backside, like Kenmore or KitchenAid, so I thought that when you push the lower rack back in the machine, knives would scratch the side wall of the tub. I do like their deep upper rack, which is similar in shape to the Maytag one.
I also noticed that some Bosch don't have many tines in the upper rack, leaving me wondering about glasses and cups rolling around.
Some of you told me to keep the Kenmore, which is working well. But you know, I would love to have a new dishwasher, with a stainless tub. Money is not an issue. I live in an upscale house, and people expect it. A lot of my friends have fancy dishwashers, and they come here and say What the hell is this? Kenmore?? And the vinyl racks are starting to get on my nerves. I am always afraid to stain the tub with red wine, or spaghetti sauce.

Thanks.


Post# 256374 , Reply# 25   12/26/2007 at 16:10 (5,958 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Kenmore is not a mid-end brand. Have you seen the new Kenmore Elite Ultra Wash HE dishwasher? The dishwasher has hidden controls and is stainless steel inside and out. The only thing on the front that says "This is a dishwasher." are 3 indicator lights for wash, dry and clean. The Ultra Wash HE is a newer version of the UltraWash which uses less water and energy. The machine also has the unique Smart Wash cycle which senses the dirt level of your dishes and the water temp and adjusts the wash time to save energy. It also has the Kenmore TurboZone feature to clean your grimeiest cookwear.It has a 1/2 load feature to use only the top rack. The only bad thing I see about it is the potentially long cycle time. The Sears/Kenmore websites say the Quick Wash cycle is 60 minutes long.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO funguy10's LINK


Post# 256400 , Reply# 26   12/26/2007 at 20:11 (5,958 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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That's a pretty pathetic reason to get rid of a very good dishwasher. If you do get rid of this dishwasher, I bet there's gotta be a few people on this site who would love your old dishwasher. It's based on Whirlpool's tried & true PowerClean system--something that's not marketed much anymore and it was a winner of a design. I can tell you, just about naything you buy today won't be as reliable as your old machine. the GE machines are very good performers and hold a holt. I love my new Kenmore Elite (next to top of the line) which I got last May.

Post# 256404 , Reply# 27   12/26/2007 at 20:37 (5,958 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Is said Kenmore Elite the same one I've linked to above?

Post# 256412 , Reply# 28   12/26/2007 at 22:26 (5,958 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Who needs a reason around here? Don't we change them more out of curiosity and to play rather than actual need?

I am very thrilled when machines within the club change hands and when I am able to watch dreams come true!


Thanks for the shout-out Eugene!


Post# 256419 , Reply# 29   12/26/2007 at 23:33 (5,958 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Funguy, the Kenmore UltraWash HE is a totally different machine and I'm not recommending it yet.

Post# 256443 , Reply# 30   12/27/2007 at 07:03 (5,957 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Well then which Kenmore Elite do you have? Is it an Ultra Wash like mine?

Post# 256689 , Reply# 31   12/29/2007 at 00:29 (5,955 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
GE

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The one thing i like about GE is that they are still a brand that can get a filthy load clean in less than 2 hours.
Our GE TT can do a normal wash with medium soil in just over an hour, including dry time.


Post# 256699 , Reply# 32   12/29/2007 at 01:48 (5,955 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        
GE speed cycle

MY GE TT has a "Speed Cycle", get average dirty dishes clean in about 35 minutes. I'm not quite sure how it differs from the "China " cycle that runs about the same length of time.

Post# 256708 , Reply# 33   12/29/2007 at 04:08 (5,955 days old) by robm (Buxted)        
Intensive Programmes and High temperatures

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Hi all, I hope you are enjoying the season.

I'm in the same position as Serge and want a new dishwasher. I was looking at the Bosch as their trays are very well organised, however, they seem to concentrate all their programmes on Quick and Economy which I don't use, unless you want to buy the very expensive machines, which we can't afford at present.

Do very Hot and Intensive programmes really make a difference, or do you think the standard normal wash is enough?

Many thanks

Rob


Post# 256734 , Reply# 34   12/29/2007 at 09:20 (5,955 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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My model number is 2213789000

Post# 256735 , Reply# 35   12/29/2007 at 09:35 (5,955 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Picture?

Post# 256742 , Reply# 36   12/29/2007 at 10:35 (5,955 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Hot & Intensive Programmes

I have a Bosch that will be about 4 years old now. It has three automatic sensor programmes for the delicate, normal and intensive programmes.

I have found through experience with various machines over the course of the past twenty years, that a fully loaded machine requires the intensive programme at 65-70deg C.

The normal cycle in my Bosch is:
cold prerinse, then if water is clear of debris, use it for mainwash; one cool rinse; heated final rinse; drying. The mainwash temperature is usually 50-60deg C. as the sensors calibrate it 'on the fly'.

The intensive cycle is:
heated prerinse (keeping it for hot mainwash if it is suitably clear); two warm/cool rinses; final hot rinse; drying. Mainwash temp is somewhere about 60-70 deg C., again done 'on the fly'.

When I say fully loaded, I mean pots and pans, and crockery, cutlery, glassware, serving spoons, cafetiere, etc.

If you rinse everything before placing in the machine, a basic machine would probably do you.

However, if you merely scrape, I would suggest the intensive programme equipped machine.

In saying that, basic machines seem to have a better range of programmes now; including an intensive 70deg prog.


Post# 256762 , Reply# 37   12/29/2007 at 13:20 (5,955 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

With my Miele, I find that the Normal 50-60deg Auto program will clean 95% of loads without an issue. It gives a cold Prewash - Reuses the water for the main wash if clear, 1 or 2 cold rinses depending on soil level and then a 65deg Final rinse. If I have a days worth of crockery with a few saucepans and a frypan this cycle always works fine.

The only time I use the pots and pans cycle is if the dishwasher is loaded with greasy baking pans with food encrusted. I use the Pots and pans cycle in that instance as it gives a warm pre-wash (I've had it add two additional ones) 75deg Main wash, 2 cold rinses and a 75degC final rinse.
This cycle also adds 30 minutes to the wash, so the entire cycle takes about 2.35 (With 2 extra pre washes it took 3.08 :) )


Post# 256767 , Reply# 38   12/29/2007 at 13:46 (5,955 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Funguy, you're a big boy. You can find it on the Sears web site yourself!!

Post# 257926 , Reply# 39   1/5/2008 at 16:45 (5,948 days old) by maytagwc401 ()        

Can anyone who has a Bosch dishwasher tell how how big a plate they can put in the lower rack when the upper rack is at its lowest position, without interfering with the upper spray arm? 11 inch, 12 ?
How tall a glass can be in the upper rack in the lower position?

thanks,

Serge


Post# 257936 , Reply# 40   1/5/2008 at 17:53 (5,948 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
If the Bosch has RackMatic then...

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"To accommodate large or oddly shaped dishes, RACKMATIC® allows you to raise or lower the premium upper rack at the touch of a lever (even when full), giving you up to 14" of space on the bottom or 10" on top." (from boschappliances.com)

RackMatic lifts/lowers the upper rack by about 2 inches so that's 12/14 inches in the lower and 10/8 inches in the upper rack.


Post# 258051 , Reply# 41   1/6/2008 at 06:44 (5,947 days old) by mrx ()        

We've had a few Bosch dishwashers in different houses over the years and I have NEVER done any more than scrape anything.

You basically remove any large lumps of food from plates, bowls etc.
Turn machine on to a normal cycle. Make sure that you use a decent detergent, I find Sun All-in-one Power (Unilever), Finish (reckitt benckiser) and Ecover all extremely effective. Also make sure you keep the machine supplied with salt for the water softener and with Rinse Aid to ensure good streak-free drying and your results will be flawless.

Bosch (and most European machines) have a primarily self-cleaning filter. During the wash the water is sucked horizontally across the filter and through the fine meshes removing all particles. When the machine empties, the water is sucked downwards through the middle of the filter and simply through a large grid that catches anything that's managed to get through. The pump can handle most normal sized food particles and they are simply flushed down the drain and the mesh filters are basically self-cleaned.

There is a wide mesh collar sticking up out of the filter, this prevents any larger items from ever getting into the filter system and they will sit on top of the filter tray at the end of the cycle.

Normally, all you need do is look into the bottom of the machine and you'll find any really big items of food e.g. beans, vegetables, pasta, nuts, etc that was not scraped off the dishes. You'll see these just sitting on the top of the filter system and they can easily be removed by just picking them off. There's no need to actually remove the filter.

The filter can be removed and checked and cleaned every month or so. However, most of the time I don't find anything in it!

Also, I suspect that this system removes more fine food particles than the old US-style disposal systems as there's no risk of fine particles being recirculated through the machine. It also means that the spray arms and jets are extremely unlikely to block up.

See the picture below for the filter centre unit. It sits in the middle of a large fine mesh tray.








Post# 258052 , Reply# 42   1/6/2008 at 06:49 (5,947 days old) by mrx ()        
One more thing

Remember the water level in the end of the machine will only get to the top of that collar on the top of the filter. There's normally no water flowing down the centre of the filter assembly.

The wash pump sucks water ghrough the fine mesh on the outside - (there are 2 layers of it, one fine and one VERY fine)

When the drain pump starts the water is sucked through that grill on the top and down the centre of the filter. It flows along the mesh and cleans it!

Some machines can even give the filters a reversed wash pump blast with clean water !!


Post# 259366 , Reply# 43   1/12/2008 at 01:38 (5,941 days old) by phillygrl ()        
I Love My Bosch

Oh man I love my Bosch. Everything comes out squeaky clean. I have an open floor plan, and it is so very quiet. That is the main reason I purchased it. And I love that the heater is under the tub, not an element inside the dishwasher. That means I can safely put plastics anywhere, yes even on the bottom rack. I use Palmolive gel detergent, Wave Jet rinse aid and get excellent results.

Post# 259455 , Reply# 44   1/12/2008 at 15:45 (5,941 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Bosch filter cleaning

I find that the underside of the central filter flange (dark grey, with the blue arrows) is a grease trap - it really needs weekly attention on my machine.

Apart from that, no problems.



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