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Vintage KitchenAid by Hobart - Spotted on Park Avenue in NYC
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Post# 257268   1/2/2008 at 15:54 (5,956 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Located in the service enterance, probably going out for rubbish or perhaps to an appliance disposal service. Not out on the curb yet though.

Took a quick peek, and as the bottom plate was missing, cannot say the model number.

The handle is sort of a bow-tie that one turns counter-clock wise to open the door. Machine is all metal, even the strainer at the bottom. Did not see a heater, but then again didn't pull the racks out either (they are blue). On the front the machine says "KitchenAid by Hobart", and there is a teal blue button one the front. Cycle controls are located at the bottom (where the plate is missing), but can see the motor, pump, and such. Have no idea if the unit is working, and didn't ask.

If anyone is interested can give the address, but would advise if the unit does go out to the curb, and anyone wishes the unit to act fast. The street people are like a plague of vultures and will pick apart any and all rubbish. There are even groups of Mexicans and African "immigrants" who drive around in trucks picking up every discarded appliance they spot.

L.






Post# 257280 , Reply# 1   1/2/2008 at 17:03 (5,956 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
OMG your slip is showing!

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*CLUTCH THE PEARLS* and GASP!

Post# 257311 , Reply# 2   1/2/2008 at 19:12 (5,956 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
!4 series unit.. a true find if nobady has gotten to it yet!

The bow tie handle indicates it is a 14 serie Kitchenaid. If it is a single button, it may be the Custom model KDC-14 Full Cycle only. The Imperial had 2 cycles KDI-14 Full cycle and Rinse and hold.
The Superba KDS-14 had 3 cycles.Rinse and Hold, Full Cycle and Utility/Utensil.

They were fantastic machines based on the venerable UM series commercial machines from Hobart. They would last forever except the porcelain tank would probably have worn out by now. The last ones of this series were from 1963-64.They were replaced by the 15 series.

My cousin had a KDS14 that I got him from the BUY LINES back in the early 80's. He had it until nearly 2000 when he replace it with a 24 series WhirlyAid machine. He tossed it to the curb in running condition but the tank was nearly devoid of any porcelain. The manufacturiong date was written on the side of the tank in yellow crayon.. it was from 1962 and served his family well all those years.


Post# 257312 , Reply# 3   1/2/2008 at 19:12 (5,956 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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It sounds like a KDI14. They had a single teal blue button used to start the machine and a similar type of handle. Especially with the timer being located on the lower panel.

Post# 257326 , Reply# 4   1/2/2008 at 20:26 (5,956 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Didn't look too deep inside, but think the porcelian was in decent shape. Do ntt think the unit worked as there was still detergent powder in the metal detergent dispenser on the inside door.

Machine is still behind the gate of the service area, probably will go out tomorrow for pick-up on Friday, unless it is being held for recycle day next week.

L.


Post# 257360 , Reply# 5   1/2/2008 at 22:07 (5,956 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Just Peeped The Archives

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Machine is a KDI-14, about the second model shown down in the following.

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Post# 257367 , Reply# 6   1/2/2008 at 23:23 (5,956 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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yay, I guessed right. (Pats self on the back)

Post# 257633 , Reply# 7   1/4/2008 at 09:48 (5,954 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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It must be the built in version to this...








Post# 257644 , Reply# 8   1/4/2008 at 10:34 (5,954 days old) by bobbins (Victoria, BC, Canada)        

Such wonderful machines. I wish I find one like this near where I live ;)

Has anyone seen the commercial SS version of this? My Aunt had one, WOW!!!

bob


Post# 257729 , Reply# 9   1/4/2008 at 19:37 (5,954 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
beware of what you wish for!

The commercial versions of these venerable Kitchenaids were the Hobart UM series dishwashers. The original Kitchenaids and the original UM, had a horizontally mounted pump with the electric drain solenoids and gravity drains. Then they were redesigned with the vertical pumps with the Hobarts using a gravity drain only(never had pumped drains)and the Kitchenaids offering the option of the pump drain which was desgnated by the "P" in the model numbers.
The Hobart machines were always the smaller tank configuration, therefore no upper rack could be used which had more to do with the NSF requirement of a specific amount of water needing to be sprayed on the dishes in a given time. These machines were less than 34 inches high and fit well under bars and in coffee shops. They could be fitted with additional supports to bring them up to standard counter height.
The Kitchenaids had the same set of single frame supports but a higher tank which allowed for the top rack.
Both machines used the same pump system with the commercial model having all cast iron pump housing components with a brass impeller. The domestics had the black phenolic plastic housing parts and a plastic impeller of the same size as the commercial unit.

If you wanted a commercial version of that Kitchenaid, you would be very hard pressed to find one, though they are still out there. They were obsoleted in 1979 and all production of nearly every replacement part was stopped by 1994. Some parts did remain in production but probably totally gone from Hobart's inventory system now. Also, if you do find one, it will have to be plumbed to a gravity drain, has no internal heating element and would do best with at least 180 degree water so that after the 3 minute cycle, the dishes can flash dry when you go to unload them!
If your heart is set on a commercial machine, I would recommend trying to find a WM series machine in good condition.
The original WM series was a 15-16 series kind of hybrid machine as it used all the 15 components when it was first produced and then was switched to the 16 series tank but with the 15 bottom metalwork to continue to accept the straight 15 series pump assembly. There was never a top sprayer of any kind in the original WM Series. Hobart did make various upgrades to the original WM's which went on to have short and long cycle selection as well as models which had built in low temp bleach sanitzers built into them.
Up from there were the 18 series based WM5 series which were essentially the European KD18 machines reworked for our market.These had the upper washarm, but it was attached to a housing on the top of the tank and sparyed water down onto the dishware. The upper arm always reminded me of the smaller washarm originally fitted under the 18 series upper rack.These units could be had with or without a built in booster and sump heaters to keep the water warm while waiting for the next wash. They saved the final rinse water for the next wash!
Definitely an electrical hog and electrically complicated to repair.Both of the WM series were standard counter height machines and would slide right into the same space a machine uses today.
Wm 5's needed a 50 amp 208-230 4 wire service when equipped with the electric booster.The original WM series were standard 115 volt units all the way. Both were what I call pumped gravity drains in that they still had the overflow pipe in them which prevented a flood if the machine overfilled and had to be piped to a gravity drain.The drain pumps simply teed off into the overflow pipe to drain and if the drain was slow running or got clogged, the drain pump would just pupm the water back into the machine. You could be sure there would be flood as soon as it would fill for the next part of the cycle

Hobart now has their SR24 machines which is an updated and much improved version of the WM5 series which has positive water level control and a true pumped drain ala the 18-19-20 series using the same pumps those units used. Once again, single racks like all commercial undercounter machines have in this country regardless of brand.
And they also have the fully electronic LX and LXI series units which can be had with or without a booster heater. They also qouls reuire 180 Degree water if you don';t use chemical sanitizing.
And dont forget!!! You can't just toss in a Cascade Gel pak into these babies.. you need to use specially formulated commercial detergent and often a rinse agent to get good results.

One last point.. if you want one, and want it new or used, plan on spending thousands of dollars on any undercounter commercial machine regardless of the manufacturer! No $299-399 dollar Lowes or Home Depot specials in this domain!

Anyone have any questions?? Let me know!



Post# 257749 , Reply# 10   1/4/2008 at 21:32 (5,954 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Steve, was the booster-heater a separate tank or an add-on to the commercial machine?

A 230v heating unit under the kitchen sink feeding the dishwasher would certainly put some *zing* in the performance of many domestic machines! It would massacre the enzymes in most detergents, but there are ways around that as well...


Post# 257759 , Reply# 11   1/4/2008 at 22:39 (5,954 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Separate Units

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Post# 257762 , Reply# 12   1/4/2008 at 23:00 (5,954 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

I've noticed that too Laundress! The immigrants have been attacking rubbish piles with vengance around here too! We have a cleanup day once a year around here, and it used to be good for finding nice vintage appliances like the KitchenAid you found. It was especially fun to keep an eye on homes renovated by house flippers...you knew the old appliances would be hitting the curb!

I put a bunch of broken, yet repairable electronics out by the curb hoping that some of the other neighborhood people would grab the stuff up and take a stab at fixing the stuff...that's what typically happened in the past...I put out things like some older 80's vintage TV's, VCR's, broadcast equipment and other odds and ends. A vanload of mexicans came by and smashed all the CRT's in the TV's and took the CRT necks, and the chassis, leaving smashed glass and cabinet fragments all over my front yard! I guess they were looking for metals to recycle...I wonder what's in a CRT neck that would be so valuable to recycle?


Post# 257780 , Reply# 13   1/5/2008 at 01:49 (5,954 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Well things have gotten so bad, NYC recently passed a law that anyone caught hauling away rubbish put on the curb for recycling will be issued a substantial summons/fine. Apparently there are (and one has seen), persons with trucks that go around scooping up paper, metal, appliances and such that are put out, by the truck load. Have even seen trucks pull up in front of stores when they put out bales of boxes and such. NYC was getting ticked off as they saw these persons not merely taking "rubbish" but robbing the city's coffers of funds, as the city gets paid for the recycleable rubbish it collects and sells. Single persons going though rubbish (read the homeless and others), are not subject to these fines.

Honestly am getting quite annoyed with these rubbish pickers. The noise they make several times a night sounds like a plauge of giant rats, and the mess equals what would be left by the same. Some of the nicer ones are careful about how they go about things, and alwasy tie up bags and do not leave a mess. Others throw contents everywhere as they dig though bags, and or bust apart things to get at the better bits. Sad thing is if the property owner is not out the next morning in time to clean up the mess, they get a ticket from the sanitation department for having litter in front of their property.



Post# 257781 , Reply# 14   1/5/2008 at 01:51 (5,954 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Oh yes, on my way to dinner this evening, passed the building and the DW was still there. Methinks it is staying put until next Wednesday which is recycling day. So it will probably go to the crub Tuesday afternoon.

L.


Post# 257934 , Reply# 15   1/5/2008 at 17:19 (5,953 days old) by bobbins (Victoria, BC, Canada)        

Thank you Steve! Great info on the Hobart Commercial!!!

Cheers!

Bob


Post# 257958 , Reply# 16   1/5/2008 at 19:01 (5,953 days old) by fnelson487 (Palm Springs, CA)        
Here's My KDI-14

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Found literally new. When I got it, it was hooked up and when started, the screws that were thrown into the sump sheared the pump. After much work, the drain was converted to a gravity drain, and now works like a champ.

Post# 257959 , Reply# 17   1/5/2008 at 19:03 (5,953 days old) by fnelson487 (Palm Springs, CA)        
Inside

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Like New! What a great machine for a backup. I had to make it work since I had the cabinetry altered to install it. Works like a champ. As they say - "The dishes scream to get out!"

Post# 257976 , Reply# 18   1/5/2008 at 20:22 (5,953 days old) by bobbins (Victoria, BC, Canada)        

I am jealous......I will do almost anything for one of these machines ;)

Cheers!

Bob


Post# 258480 , Reply# 19   1/7/2008 at 20:37 (5,951 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Boosters or not!

The UM 1-4 series and the WM 1-3 series were never produced with built in boosters. The UM4E which was the same machine as here but built in Europe and Canada to some extent, did come with a built in booster. I never saw anything on the WMs to indicate they had boosters. By then European machines were different from ours and all built there, but I may check further into that.

The first domestically produced machines with boosters were the WM5 series which were actually the KD18 series EUropean machines brought here and reworked for our market.
And even like today, the booster heaters were optional since some customers can provide 180 degree rinse water for them.

If a customer did not have 180 degree building water, they most likeley added a small Hatco 6 gallon booster or a Small Hubbell unit. usually a 6-12 KW unit was more than enough for one of these machines. Hope that helps.
Steve


Post# 258708 , Reply# 20   1/8/2008 at 20:54 (5,950 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Final Update-She's On The Curb

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Waiting for appliance rubbish pick-up tomorrow.

Was easy to spot, as one had only to follow the trail of leaking water! *LOL*

Unit is laying down on it's front, so couldn't see if the racks were still there. On the bright side the motor was exposed and was rather clean looking. Nice shiny black, and VERY heavy/solid in appearance. Hope the unit will be broken down at the appliance rubbish plant, would be a shame if the motor or other parts worked and the unit was trashed in total.

L.


Post# 258716 , Reply# 21   1/8/2008 at 21:04 (5,950 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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A cross street or two would be nice. :-)

Post# 258723 , Reply# 22   1/8/2008 at 21:24 (5,950 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Sorry

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East 80th Street, between Park Avenue and Lexington, just off Park on the south side of the street.

L.


Post# 258724 , Reply# 23   1/8/2008 at 21:27 (5,950 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Thank you kindly!

Post# 258726 , Reply# 24   1/8/2008 at 21:31 (5,950 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If You Is Going

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I'd go soon, the "freaks come out at night" (not you dear), and will bash apart any appliance they find to get at anything deemed of potential value.

L.



Post# 258735 , Reply# 25   1/8/2008 at 22:22 (5,950 days old) by travis ()        
A rescue just like in the movies...

Go get that diswasher!

Post# 258771 , Reply# 26   1/9/2008 at 06:53 (5,950 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
So did anyone snatch it up?

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~The "freaks come out at night" (not you dear)

No offense taken *LOL ROFL LMAO*
In my 20's I MAY HAE BEEN THE PERSON YOUR MOTHER WARNED YOU ABOUT. Today I'm a nice gray-haired little suburbanite firmly esconsed (sp?) in my descent into trolldom.

As a man ages he generally wants to be like Captain Kirk. Sitting in a comfortable chair with all the remotes lined up in front of a huge screen, except his toupee should be a little less obvious.........

TICK TICK TICK TICK. Someone go get it!


Post# 258773 , Reply# 27   1/9/2008 at 06:57 (5,950 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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I don't know lady L, you always make me feel so good and want to break out into song.........

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