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Post# 259424   1/12/2008 at 14:03 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        

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The washing machine that means the end- the end of washday!

A VERY early 3226 Keymatic- still with the cabinet and door gasket of the 3224!





Post# 259425 , Reply# 1   1/12/2008 at 14:06 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Apart from the (surface) rust its not too bad actually :)

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The door gasket is beyond help tho :(- not suprising as its the original blue version!

Post# 259426 , Reply# 2   1/12/2008 at 14:07 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Rear ...

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All original hoses....

Post# 259427 , Reply# 3   1/12/2008 at 14:08 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Original flex- and 15A plug!

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Post# 259428 , Reply# 4   1/12/2008 at 14:09 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Tub shot

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Post# 259429 , Reply# 5   1/12/2008 at 14:09 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Profile

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Post# 259430 , Reply# 6   1/12/2008 at 14:11 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Forgot this- back sticker closeup!

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Post# 259431 , Reply# 7   1/12/2008 at 14:12 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Keyplate

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Post# 259432 , Reply# 8   1/12/2008 at 14:12 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
And

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Other side!

Post# 259436 , Reply# 9   1/12/2008 at 14:27 (5,948 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Ok how did I come by this ..

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Basically a very elderly couple came in and brought a Hoover washer dryer to replace a broken Hoovermatic twin tub.

They asked if they could use the washer dryer from the tap and I said it wasnt advisable, even if we could get a appropiate adaptor.

Thats a pity- we did with the last one they said......

Thats because it was a twin tub I said....

No before that- we had a Keymatic....

At this point I said its a pity it was replaced with a twin tub , If it had been the Keymatic Id have loved to have seen it as I collect old appliances.......

Well we didnt get rid of it- its been stood in the corner of the kitchen for about 20 years, it dosent work tho...

At this point I nearly wet myself lol......

Anyhow I was asked if id like it and obviously said yes!

Looking forward to making it pretty again :)

Seamus

P.s The Hoovermatic and another mystery machine will be collected tuesday- If the mystery machine is a MK41 Servis its already spoken for lol!!


Post# 259438 , Reply# 10   1/12/2008 at 14:57 (5,948 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
What a Great Story

Mr. Ellis. Can't wait to hear of it tumbling about!!!

Post# 259439 , Reply# 11   1/12/2008 at 14:59 (5,948 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Wow!! Congratulations!! Another one saved too!!!

Post# 259450 , Reply# 12   1/12/2008 at 15:21 (5,948 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Wow! Seamus! You lucky guy! That is amazing how you ended up with that! do u think u'll be able to restore it? I bet parts are rare! I've always wanted to see one of these in action!

Congrats again!

Darren


Post# 259457 , Reply# 13   1/12/2008 at 16:00 (5,947 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

Well done!

Post# 259464 , Reply# 14   1/12/2008 at 16:52 (5,947 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Thanks Guys

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This is gonna be a challenge to say the least- 1st up is trying to find a sutiable door gasket lol!.

This has been posted before but heres a link to an advert for the 3224 posted by Si!

Seamus


CLICK HERE TO GO TO seamusuk's LINK


Post# 259467 , Reply# 15   1/12/2008 at 16:55 (5,947 days old) by 74simon ()        
Oh. My. God!!!

Congratulations, Seamus, that's just fantastic!!! Couldn't have gone to a better home! I'm so pleased for you, fancy that, there was a KM in Dover all the time!

Is the pulsator missing? Did the couple give any idea as to why the machine expired? I really hope you can get the old girl up and running again, have you had a poke round the insides yet?

I noticed from my 3226 brochure that yours has a different facia too, later ones were black instead of blue.

Can't wait to see what model the HM is, have they given you any idea as to the ID of the mystery machine - top loader, horizontal axis? I presume it's another automatic?

Either way, that's definitely a find of the year, and we're not even halfway through January yet! Bring on the widebodies and matchboxes!!!


Post# 259468 , Reply# 16   1/12/2008 at 16:55 (5,947 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Congratulations and welcome to the Keymatic club. I have the same model, but my top and side panel is not blue. I do hope you find a door gasket. Is that the only thing that is wrong with it?

Post# 259473 , Reply# 17   1/12/2008 at 17:10 (5,947 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Si

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Hey Mate

I didnt even notice the Pulsator as it was pretty dark when I was taking the pics- I believe some were modified to tumble action only and it looks like this one may have been!.

Its defiantly a very early 1963 version, Im gonna get the serial number when I investigate further on Monday(its at work).

All in all a great addition- especially as it was free!

Seamus


Post# 259541 , Reply# 18   1/13/2008 at 01:50 (5,947 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Hoover Keymatic

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Arghh Brilliant!, what a buzz when they said the word KEYMATIC....he he :-)
Lovely news that you have got one

Congratulations

Gary


Post# 259546 , Reply# 19   1/13/2008 at 03:40 (5,947 days old) by robm (Buxted)        

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What a great find! It's great when things like that happen. I think they spin about 700rpm (correct me if I'm wrong) which is quite fast for the time. I bet it wasn't cheap when it was new.

Happy restoring and all the best

Rob


Post# 259550 , Reply# 20   1/13/2008 at 05:12 (5,947 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
congrats

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Well done Seamus.

They are a fab machine , i have not had chance to do much else with mine as mine needs a door seal too! as do about 6 others!! mine also has a spin issue with a slipping clutch but i think that can be remedied with some shims. Chester Mike has one too and will recommend care in moving the beast as its suspension is made from very thin wire, which can snap and be a bugger to fix apparently. I attach some photos of mine where you can see the original transit brackets , I would recommend making some so you can lift and tip the beast without damage.
Also if you do plug it in, one tip before you do is to remove the motor first, (tilt the machine forward and it drops down ) and lubricate the shaft where the starter switch slides up and down, mine had stuck and instead of staying on a split second it was on continuously and nearly burnt the motor out until I figured out why it was getting so hot and noisy, a little wd40 and fine emery paper and mine now tumble, pumps and turbulates fine but will not spin without a shrieking howl at which second I kill the power.

I was thinking we could adapt two hoover door seals by joining them together as the opening may be a similar size to newer hoovers its just the depth that's needed as the the drum tilts down and back when full of water.

well done

Wash day? just forget it !!!


Richard


Post# 259605 , Reply# 21   1/13/2008 at 12:34 (5,947 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Brilliant find!

congratulations on a wonderful find there Seamus.

Yep it is an early 3226 and, although down to a small detail, is a version i haven't seen before - see my attached picture of a mate of mines 3226 and spot the subtle detail difference.

Re: the facia colour of the 3226 mentioned earlier by Simon. Although i could be wrong, my understanding of the 3226 is that they all had metallic blue facia stripes. Thing is, from different angles and under different lighting conditions, the strips can change shade and appear light blue right through to black.

The smaller picture shows the same machine as the main image, but taken under different conditions and angles - gives you an idea of what i mean in the above paragraph.

Once again - congrats on the find Seamus.
Cheers
Paul


Post# 259615 , Reply# 22   1/13/2008 at 13:08 (5,947 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Keymatic Door Seal

Would a seal from a different manufacturer do?

The porthole looks quite a small diameter, so would a Candy or a Zanussi seal do instead?


Post# 259629 , Reply# 23   1/13/2008 at 14:29 (5,947 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very nice find - it's amazing that so many of these have survived!

In the corner of the kitchen for 20 years?? It must have been a big kitchen - although, it would make a nice dog-food storage unit for the unenlightened ;-)


Post# 259645 , Reply# 24   1/13/2008 at 16:33 (5,946 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover - The Product Of Experience...!!!

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Well done Seamus, welcome to the club!!!you`ve sweated on this for a while, I must say it looks it great nick, at least all the panels come off for a re-spray when required...Just think you couldnt have made that up, using a twinny when one of these is in the corner, + another!!!

I bet the other machine is either a cream Hotpoint Empress or a creda debonair!! if it is the proverbial Mk41, ...well!!

Whats up with the cold water valve ?? has it been changed?? can peek the blue thing under the cover!!!I`m half way through the Qualtex catalogue trying to match old door boots, up to K for kelvinator!!, the later hoovers are a bit smaller on the outer front door, keymatic was slightly larger with a flip lip edge....Paul, small detail?? is it the Keymatic word logo??

If all fails they make a great bar at parties!!!


Post# 259661 , Reply# 25   1/13/2008 at 17:41 (5,946 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
You got it Mike...

Well i did say a small detail.

Never seen a 3226 with its name written in upper and lower case!

This is what my spreadsheets have reduced me to - even down to getting the name as it appeared on the machines!

Visit to a shrink for me fairly shortly.
Paul



Post# 259716 , Reply# 26   1/14/2008 at 04:31 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Great news :-D

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The Turbulator(pulsator) is still there it just didnt show very well !. Also both it and the drum appear to turn freely :-). Am just off to get some random door gaskets from our other shop lol !

Post# 259793 , Reply# 27   1/14/2008 at 13:50 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
More pics!

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The Turbulator

Post# 259795 , Reply# 28   1/14/2008 at 13:52 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Back off

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Look at the 20+ years worth of cobwebs!


Post# 259796 , Reply# 29   1/14/2008 at 13:53 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Valves

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And rating plate

Post# 259797 , Reply# 30   1/14/2008 at 13:55 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Complicated!

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Post# 259798 , Reply# 31   1/14/2008 at 13:57 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Looking up

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Showing slight oil leak from gearbox? also patched/repaired sump hose, these need thinking about!

Post# 259799 , Reply# 32   1/14/2008 at 13:59 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Another

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Post# 259801 , Reply# 33   1/14/2008 at 14:02 (5,946 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Finally

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The pump

Post# 259916 , Reply# 34   1/14/2008 at 22:58 (5,945 days old) by jerseymike ()        
Wow!

What an amazing story. It's hard to believe that it sat in the corner of a kitchen for the last 20 years.

It looks very complicated.

I hope that you find a proper boot and that it's up and running again without only some minor repairs.

Mike


Post# 259947 , Reply# 35   1/15/2008 at 02:18 (5,945 days old) by candyrijk ()        

Hi I have read your article about the hoover keymatic and I would like to ask if you can do a favour for a friend of mine, who has 3 hoover keymatic but none of them has the complete clutch system that put the pulsator into work.

What I need is to understand exactly the size of the spring and spring cup that is part of the clutching system.
You can see in the back of the machine where the drum drive pulleys are that there is a kind of an arm that engage a littel flap present on a teflon cup that covers a spring that drive the pulsator when the outer cup that covers it is kept steady.

Can you provide close pictures of the two components... the outer teflon cup and the inside spring along with the mesures... like size of the spring, outer and inner size of the cup, and so on?

I need this data to make new spares in order to make the keymatics pulsator into working order as it seems it is not possible to find original hoover spares for this components.
It seems that back in the 60s the pulsator clutching system was the main problem of the machine because it tend to stay engaged once it had been activated causing damage to the laundry when the pulsator keeps on spinning while there is no water in the wash tub... for this reason most of the machines had the spring and cup removed and were basically transformed into an ordinary tumble washer. No one seems to have never complained for the machine not using the pulsator and solve one of the main cause of fault in the keymatic.
At the end the spares were no more available and the Hoover Company decided not to include the pulsator in the keymatic deluxe that followed the early models.

I hope you can help me with this because i would really like to have our keymatic in full working order pulsator incuded.


Best Wishes
Ric and Seb


Post# 259953 , Reply# 36   1/15/2008 at 04:46 (5,945 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
New Sump hose

Hi Guys and Congratulations Seamus,

For those who remember, I recently aquired a slightly later version of this machine, all in good working order, however with a brittle and badly cracked hose.

After some experiementation with some 45mm PVC pipe, a tub to pump hose of a Hoover 7xx, 8xx, 9xx series TL machine and a top radiator hose of a TD/TE Cortina, I now have a new sump assembley.

It all fits fine, I've just been waiting for the silicone to cure around the diversion pipe to the pressure switch. Now that's finally happened, I'll fit it on the weekend and hopefully experience my first Keymatic load.

The assembley sits a fair bit lower than the original, but as the only section that moves is the tub it shouldnt cause too many problems :)

Regards

Nathan


Post# 259957 , Reply# 37   1/15/2008 at 05:45 (5,945 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Keymatics

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The model I found on ebay had been in the corner of the sellers dads kitchen WITH ANOTHER ONE NEXT TO IT!!!! 2 of them and they didnt use them he had a hoover twinny...lol, he was a repair man and could bear to throw them...

Nathan, OMG, what ingenuity, I knew you could do it, what a contraption...is it the angle of the photo or is that pressure hose bigger than what was on it???

Seamus interesting patches on the original hoses, I would use some of the PVC black plumbing mastic tape (the new latex stuff) to wrap around it all before you water test it, also please support the drum when tilting back !! it puts all the pressure on that thin support wire, thats when mine snapped!!!

Also, whats the serial number, cant quite read it!!, Heres a pic of all the hosework to the machine, they must have needed their own rubber works for this lot!!!!


Post# 259958 , Reply# 38   1/15/2008 at 05:49 (5,945 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Pulsator Clutch Spring!!

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Hi Ric & Seb, congratulations on your machines, fascinating to look at, needs lots of patience to work on, but very much rewarding I`m sure, here is an exploded diagram, is it spring 914 you need dimentions of??

Post# 259960 , Reply# 39   1/15/2008 at 06:45 (5,945 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Kool looking machine. Congratulations on your find! Love the color of the tub!

I'm curious about that pulsator. Just how does the machine effectivly use the pulsator? If the axis of the tub never changes, it must get quite a full tub of water for the pulsator to be usable. Does the pulsator alternate direction of rotation? Does the tub also reverse-tumble?
It it a "tangler"?


Post# 259967 , Reply# 40   1/15/2008 at 07:42 (5,945 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Hoses

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Nathan.....

Im impressed- do you do international sales ;)

Mike

I was going to wrap it in the tape you use for repairing car radiator hoses. Did a search on the net and came up with this- looks ideal, what do you think???

Seamus

P.s Ive ordered a door gasket which I think looks kinda promising- will come tomorrow and will let you know how it goes :)


CLICK HERE TO GO TO seamusuk's LINK


Post# 260027 , Reply# 41   1/15/2008 at 13:11 (5,945 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Mike,

The pressure hose has a larger external diameter, but fits tightly over the nub on the pressure dome.

I've assumed that the volume of the sump wont affect the pressure switches as the pressure seems to be actuated by the height of the water in the dome and tube 629299, I will shorten it more when its installed.

The hardest part was installing the nub to attach the pressure hose to. With some plumbers tape there was still a slight drip around the brass component, so in the end I've just resorted to silicone to seal it up.

Steve, the axis of the tub changes as it fills with water. The tub can actually drop at the rear by 3-4 inches when full.

Hopefully you'll find a new boot :)


Post# 260030 , Reply# 42   1/15/2008 at 13:31 (5,945 days old) by electron800 ()        

Wow, what a great machine. I'd love to see the pulsator action working, I can't really imagine what it's like. Does the tub fill to the top during pulsator action or does it just fill up above the pulsator. If the latter is true the action must be very strange to see, the clothes wouldn't really go round properly I'd imagine

Post# 260059 , Reply# 43   1/15/2008 at 15:23 (5,945 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

So if the tub drops down four inches, it is nearly vertical. That explains how it works, then as I don't see any baffles attached to the tub---so I assumed it would not tumble the clothes in any event.

Post# 260062 , Reply# 44   1/15/2008 at 15:32 (5,945 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
There are still Tub baffles

The machine tumbles and pulsates at the same time.

I'll try and make a movie once its up and running, however there is a mechanical brake in addition to the electric door switch, so I'll have some disabling to do before its possible to see inside.


Post# 260168 , Reply# 45   1/16/2008 at 07:12 (5,944 days old) by candyrijk ()        

Dear Mike and Dear All,

here attached you find a scheme about the spares we need. We cannot find any part in the repair centres anymore, and so we would try to make them new. For this reason we need your help to gain all the information to build them (or almost try to). I know that is not simple to measure all the data useful for us (e.g. the torsion of the spring, which is quite necessary), but almost try to give us the measures of single pieces (included the number of spires of the spring).
It’s a hard work for us, but on the other hand is also interesting and stimulating. Please anyone help us, if possible!

PS: we also would appreciate if someone posts a scanner image of page 3 and 4 of the repair manual, if possible; the ones concerning the control panel.

Thank you all in advance for the collaboration!
Bye
Ric and Seb.


Post# 260171 , Reply# 46   1/16/2008 at 07:18 (5,944 days old) by candyrijk ()        

if also this can help...

Thks!



Post# 260173 , Reply# 47   1/16/2008 at 07:30 (5,944 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Tumbles and pulsates!
O.k. you've gotten my attention with that bit of information.

Now I can hardly wait to see a video of one of these in operation!


Post# 260175 , Reply# 48   1/16/2008 at 07:32 (5,944 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
3226 Hoover Keymatic Control Panel

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Nice one guys, got it now!!!

Post# 260176 , Reply# 49   1/16/2008 at 07:36 (5,944 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Drum Baffles

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The drum is angled as well!!

Post# 260177 , Reply# 50   1/16/2008 at 07:37 (5,944 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Drum & Pulsator

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Kewl Blue

Post# 260196 , Reply# 51   1/16/2008 at 11:23 (5,944 days old) by sheerlookhomes (U.K.)        

Congratulations!...that's a nice find.

I hope you get a suitable boot and good luck with the restoration...can't wait for the 'after' pics!


Post# 260230 , Reply# 52   1/16/2008 at 15:03 (5,944 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

O.k., thanks Mike, I now see baffles. Just how full of water does this tub get? Close to the top?

Post# 261418 , Reply# 53   1/24/2008 at 05:30 (5,936 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Door gasket

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Hey guys

Im not having much luck as all the ones ive tried are way too big on the tub:(- im thinking along the lines of leaving the original ridged section on the tub and clamping a slightly trimmed new gasket under the clamp band(after cutting the bit that would normally attach to the tub off the new gasket- any thoughts??

Seamus


Post# 261850 , Reply# 54   1/27/2008 at 01:52 (5,933 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Door Gasket

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That sounds worth trying Seamus, christ if i ever get one of these i would be willing try anything to get it up and running, I like a challenge


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