Thread Number: 15594
Kenmore Oasis / Maytag Bravos / Whirlpool Cabrio |
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Post# 262035   1/28/2008 at 14:06 (5,904 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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Hello All... Does anyone have any of these washers? Either with the wash plate or the (preferably) with the Center Agitator? I looked on Consumer Reports and the new models are highly rated by them, but it appears to be a love-hate relationship from the conumers side. I am interested in getting one, but not 100% convinced yet. Can anyone on hear share their experience of having one? What they love about it? What they hate about it? And if you have one of these models with the agitator, would you be able to put up a video on youtube or send over the file? OR if you know of any Laundromat in Massachusetts where I can do a load of laundry and experience this for myself!?! This would be GREATLY appreciated and help me to get thru a bout of anxiety in choosing another poor washer... Thanks! ~Brant |
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Post# 262040 , Reply# 4   1/28/2008 at 14:47 (5,904 days old) by hilovane (Columbus OH)   |   | |
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There's a video of the washplate-type action on YouTube. Frankly, it reminds me of a breadmaker kneading dough! |
Post# 262061 , Reply# 5   1/28/2008 at 17:00 (5,904 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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...and have been watching some clips of the Oasis HE with the wash plate, and there definetly appears to be some differentiation on teh amount of water. One of them had a number of towels and they were fully submerged. Another had a full load of clothes that had poor turn over. There is also a posting of the Whirlpool Cabrio with Agitator, but whoever recorded it, did it with the lights off and the lid closed so I can't see a damn thing!! OH before I forget, do these washers also have Neutral Drain? Thanks for your input thus far gang! I would LOVE to see the Agitator in Action on those! I noticed a clip on YouTube as well on how to get the magnet trick to work. I think I found it by putting in OASIS Washer or Kenmore OASIS. Good Luck! Any other comments or experiences will be Valuably Read!! |
Post# 262065 , Reply# 6   1/28/2008 at 17:12 (5,904 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Unless you have an issue which doesn't permit it, I'd opt for a front-loading washer. They clean very well, are energy and water efficient and don't cause excess wrinkling. It's a tried-and-true format, whereas the top-loading impellers haven't much of a track record, yet. And every time I watch an impeller machine slogging away on a large load of clothes, it makes me cringe. I can understand why people say they tangle and wrinkle clothes. Just a thought... |
Post# 262071 , Reply# 8   1/28/2008 at 17:32 (5,904 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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... and if I DID, I'd go with the Maytag Epic 9700. It ranked very good on Consumer Reports and is the only Front Loader to have a near 5*Star rating by Users both there and at Sears. Since it's the old KitchenAid, it has a good history! I had a Front Loader at my condo and was really disappointed with it... It never cleaned laundry that well and always felt like a chore. I can't explain it, but I have SO MUCH FUN when I'm doing my laundry with a Top Loader! |
Post# 262084 , Reply# 10   1/28/2008 at 18:52 (5,904 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 262124 , Reply# 12   1/28/2008 at 23:58 (5,904 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Urination sound?? Eewwwhttp://www. There probably isn't any "thunking" until the pressure sensor determines that the water is pretty much all out. And it's not the agitator exactly that "thunks," it's the drive motor (of course, the agitator is bolted directly to the drive shaft) which pulses clockwise and counterclockwise to determine via inertia if the basket has settled back onto the drive coupler (and to help it do so). |
Post# 262153 , Reply# 13   1/29/2008 at 09:07 (5,903 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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Post# 262198 , Reply# 14   1/29/2008 at 16:07 (5,903 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)   |   | |
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Well then Brant the front loaders are the way to go. I have had mine for 8 years now with no problems. I do between 10-20 loads a week, sometimes every other week. Have the Maytag Neptunes and love them. Jon |
Post# 262218 , Reply# 15   1/29/2008 at 19:42 (5,903 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 262319 , Reply# 17   1/30/2008 at 15:49 (5,902 days old) by bobbyd32l ()   |   | |
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The machine briefly agitates and measures resistance, then determines water level. I own a Cabrio HE, and have a few video's floating around google |
Post# 262333 , Reply# 19   1/30/2008 at 17:29 (5,902 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Exactly how does the F+P do this?? How does it sense load size? By the amount of resistance to the agitation? Or does it have some sort of scale attached to the basket that weighs the load?Water level sensing and fabric/agitation sensing are two separate processes and features. The "base" EcoSmart (GWL) agitator model has water level sensing, but not fabric sensing (although agitation does vary a little within a cycle according to the water level). The Intuitive (IWL) models add fabric sensing. My older GWL08 doesn't have fabric sensing per se, but the agitation does vary a little *during* the wash cycle in response to how the load moves. Water level sensing is a two-step process. First, the load is weighed by way of the machine sensing when the basket has floated. A dome under the inner basket traps air when the machine fills, which causes it to float upward about 3/8" to disengage from the drive coupler. The machine senses this by rotating the basket at 25 RPM during fill, and pulsing the motor every few seconds to check rotational resistance and inertia. A heavier/larger saturated load counteracts the flotation effect resulting in a higher fill. Once the basket has floated, fill continues to the next discrete water level (there are five for agitator-type machines). At that point, a series of agitation strokes checks resistance of the load against the agitator fins with whatever algorithms the engineers have programmed. If the computations don't satisfy the controller, it fills to the next level and tests again. Fabric sensing on the IWL models occurs after water level sensing is complete and is via a different pattern of agitation strokes, again checking resistance of the load against the agitator fins and computing an agitation speed based on the programmed algorithms. IWL models don't have a selection of typical cycles -- Heavy, Regular, Delicate, etc. Instead, there's one basic cycle, a choice of soil level, and several modifiers (Handwash, Creasables, Woolens), along with the usual other options for temperature, water level and so forth. For a "normal" load, the user presses Power, selects a soil level, other modifiers if desired, and Start. Soil level coupled with fabric sensing determines the agitation speed and wash time. Higher agitation speeds result in longer agitation times for the same soil level. A load of jeans at normal soil with Firm agitation runs for a longer wash time than a load of casuals at normal soil with Medium agitation. Loading methods can have an effect. Wrapping large or heavy items such as sheets, blankets, or jeans around the agitator tends to increase resistance and may result in a higher water level and/or stronger agitation. On the other hand a lightweight but large item such as an acrylic thermal blanket or mattress cover that doesn't have much saturation weight may result in a low water level and/or light agitation. Water level can be set manually to any of the five levels, so no tricks are necessary. However, with auto-sensing, holding the basket down during water level sensing so it fills higher before floating, and/or grabbing the agitator during the test strokes would simulate a load being present when one isn't. |
Post# 262792 , Reply# 20   2/1/2008 at 13:50 (5,900 days old) by laundramatt (Youngstown, Ohio)   |   | |
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Thanks very much DADoES. You are the last word on these washers. By the way, I noticed on one of the YouTube videos that there were different agitation speeds on an F+P made in Australia. |
Post# 263962 , Reply# 21   2/8/2008 at 15:28 (5,893 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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I had spend the last couple weeks online, going back n forth to Sears, Consumer Reports, Consumer Affairs, you name it. I finally settled on the Kenmore Elite 28042 Oasis with the Agitator. They delievered yesterday and took away my Defective Maytag Centennial Pair (MTW5900Two & MED5800Two) I have to say WOW!! What an incredible difference! The Washer is SO Quiet! No more thunking on my kitchen ceiling! No more banging from the spin! In fact, when it was spinning, you couldn't even tell from downstairs. I went to check on it and it was humming away! I even went a little manic, and I ordered the HE Glass top lid so that I can watch the washer in action! <=) I just hope all the kinks have been worked out, Circuit Board shorting out, draining pump leaking.... I bought a single outlet surge protector and have a drain pain to be proactive just in case! Keep your fingers crossed! X X And thanks to all for your thoughts. It was appreciated. CLICK HERE TO GO TO brant_ix's LINK |
Post# 264012 , Reply# 22   2/8/2008 at 22:48 (5,893 days old) by jonv112 ()   |   | |
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So you got the agitator model with the glass lid? Would you be able to post some videos of it? I don't think any have been posted yet. |
Post# 264058 , Reply# 23   2/9/2008 at 09:57 (5,892 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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Jonv112, you took the words out of my mouth. I have the same washer but it has a solid lid. :( |
Post# 264367 , Reply# 24   2/10/2008 at 21:11 (5,891 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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The Lid is supposed to arrive on Wednesday, I'll probably tackle it next weekend when I replace the Plastic Overflow Tub. The Sears Delivery guys broke the one I had there that came with the house. <=/ I'll keep you posted, I am anxious to see it washing myself! And will be happy to post when I can! |
Post# 265477 , Reply# 25   2/18/2008 at 09:32 (5,883 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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Hey Guys! I got the Clear Glass Lid and installed it on my 28042 Oasis this weekend! I Was TOTALLY Mesmerized!! I Watched a WHOLE Whites Cycle! I was very impressed with the whole thing! I still have to set up home computer and find my camera so I can make a video of it, but as soon as I do, I will let you all know! I have to do a project for class with Photoshop so Hopefully I can do it this weekend! |
Post# 268129 , Reply# 27   3/6/2008 at 10:07 (5,866 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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Post# 268162 , Reply# 28   3/6/2008 at 15:04 (5,866 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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Full cycle I hope? I broke my mini-camcorder and misplaced my lidlock magnet. |
Post# 268167 , Reply# 29   3/6/2008 at 15:49 (5,866 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 268176 , Reply# 30   3/6/2008 at 16:44 (5,866 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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Oops. I read and posted in this thread before the one about the Maytag Neptune TL. My bad. |
Post# 269100 , Reply# 31   3/11/2008 at 19:03 (5,861 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)   |   | |
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Sorry to get your hopes up... I tried doing a test run video with my web cam and it looked like an animated GIF.. quality was terrible. I even went to YouTube to try and do a quick vid but it wasn't any better. I then tried with my Digital Camera, but it's an older model and it doesn't support video. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I will have any video of my washer to upload anytime soon. Sorry to disappoint... <=( ~Brant |
Post# 269258 , Reply# 32   3/12/2008 at 14:32 (5,860 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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Doh! Time to fix my camera and find my magnet! |