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Post# 268293   3/7/2008 at 13:01 (5,891 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

Hi there. I'm looking to upgrade my car and I thought I'd ask here to see if any of you have the cars I'm considering. The car I've always wanted is an Oldsmobile Alero. I love the way it looks on the inside and outside and it has the features that I want. However, they have numerous chronic problems and I've read too many horror stories to consider getting the only car I've ever wanted. I don't have the time or energy to spend over half my life in a repair shop... I need my car to work! So, letting go of that was a little hard because I've wanted one for so long... it just wouldn't be prudent to put myself through that. I also thought about a Saab 900, but expensive repairs do not appeal to me.

The other cars I'm considering are the VW Jetta or Passat (1999 or newer), Camry, and Accord. I don't want to spend over 5 thousand dollars because I want to pay cash and not have a car payment. A guy at work said he had an 04 Mazda Potege 5 hatchback and it was the best car he ever owned... he said I'd be silly not to check them out. I'm not crazy about the looks of those cars, but the hatchback model is almost tolerable.

For any of you that were at the Ruskin gathering a few weeks ago, I drove over in a 1984 Pontiac Fiero. I bought that car from my ex two years ago... It is falling apart, and the fact that I'm driving a car that my ex sold me is not a good thing! My mechanic broke the A/C a couple months ago while changing belts and refuses to admit responsibility. Now the radiator fan has stopped working and the relay I need to make it work isn't manufactured anymore. When I drive a POS, I feel like one... this next car will be my first car that isn't a jalopy so I want to make the right decision.

If you have any of the cars I mentioned above, or any experience with them, please share it with me! I would very much appreciate it! Thanks!






Post# 268298 , Reply# 1   3/7/2008 at 13:17 (5,891 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

Of the cars you mentioned, the Honda Accord would probably serve you the best. You might also want to look for a Subaru. They can't be killed.

Post# 268301 , Reply# 2   3/7/2008 at 13:44 (5,890 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        
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Hmm.. Mom owns an '03 Grand Am, which is the same platform. She's had nothing but trouble with it - google "gm 3400 gasket" and see all the issues people are having with the V6 version of this car.

So far mom has had the Lower Intake Manifold gaskets and head gaskets replaced, a faulty front brake caliper replaced, and most recently the fuel regulator replaced.

I used to like GM cars... but damn.. this car is only 40k miles. Seems like a piece.

You may have better luck with the 4cyl version. Or get yourself a Honda.


Post# 268304 , Reply# 3   3/7/2008 at 14:24 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I did a Bobload in the Neptune TL to see what it can do!
The load consists of 8 full sized bath towels, 2 floor towels, 1 hand towel, and 2 men's large hoodie sweathshirts. I used the Super Wash cycle (which seems to have the fastest tumbling speed), warm/warm, heavy soil, and max extract.


Post# 268305 , Reply# 4   3/7/2008 at 14:33 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Here it is all loaded and ready to go!

Post# 268306 , Reply# 5   3/7/2008 at 14:35 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Washing away!

Post# 268308 , Reply# 6   3/7/2008 at 14:39 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Final spin:

Post# 268309 , Reply# 7   3/7/2008 at 14:41 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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One full dryer!!! Vids of the wash, final spin, and final result to come!

Post# 268311 , Reply# 8   3/7/2008 at 14:56 (5,890 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        
Wonderful Load....

Jamie,
I really love your towels and your pictures you always post!
But I´m always wondering where you get the money from to buy new appliances...mhhh ;-)


Post# 268312 , Reply# 9   3/7/2008 at 14:58 (5,890 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Finally! A BobLoad thread which is a clothes washer and not a dishwasher! My dream has come true!

Post# 268313 , Reply# 10   3/7/2008 at 15:14 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Post# 268314 , Reply# 11   3/7/2008 at 15:15 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Post# 268315 , Reply# 12   3/7/2008 at 15:18 (5,890 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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From all you've mentioned I'd go with the Camry or Accord. I had a 93 Camry back when and it was a very good car. Sister had a 92 Accord and it was good as well. I don't think you can go wrong with either so long as you know it's not been absused. There's nothing worse than having a car that's always in need of a fix and $.
What about a Corolla, less money, great cars as well, hard to kill.


Post# 268317 , Reply# 13   3/7/2008 at 15:33 (5,890 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        

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Your humble author's '96 Subaru Legacy with All-Wheel Drive shows no signs of giving up the ghost as it approaches its first 100,000 miles.

Oil changes every 6,000 miles, major maintenance (tranny, radiator, plugs, filters) every 30,000 by a reputable indie mechanic. New timing belt coming up at 102,000 but it's cheaper than a new car. :)


Post# 268318 , Reply# 14   3/7/2008 at 15:36 (5,890 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Here's the final outcome!

Post# 268321 , Reply# 15   3/7/2008 at 16:17 (5,890 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

Fuel Economy: VW TDI Beetle or Jetta
Most reliable: Honda Accord/Civic, Toyota Corolla/Camry (even though my Bug has been good to me)

Wanna draw attention to yourself? Smart Fortwo. Don't knock the little car. It's roomy on the inside, makes 50mpg and does well on the interstate (about the same as an old Bug)


Post# 268322 , Reply# 16   3/7/2008 at 16:27 (5,890 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I agree, you should add Subaru to your list. I'd say you'd be safe with either the Camry or the Accord too. I drive a '97 Passat VR6 with 137K miles on it and I really like the car, at 6' tall I'm way more comfortable behind the wheel in it than I ever was in my partner's old MBZ 190. My Passat does require regular maintenance that doesn't come cheap but as Joe stated above, it's cheaper than a new car. I had to have the clutch replaced last year, that was a killer repair and the most major one it has ever needed but I honestly don't think all components needed repair. The mechanic I took the car to would always try to find more things wrong every time I brought the car in. So after the shock of the clutch bill, I quit him and the car hasn't needed attention since but somebody new will be working on it next time. My sister has a 2001 Subaru Forester and loves it. It hasn't given her any trouble, she just gets routine maintenance done and it keeps on going. I would definitely scratch the Olds off your list. That is just asking for trouble.

Post# 268324 , Reply# 17   3/7/2008 at 16:35 (5,890 days old) by hooverwheelaway ()        
Cars!

If you don't want expensive repair bills, then stay away from Volkswagen! Especially Jettas from 2000-2003/4. I've heard numerous horror stories about poor reliability--them constantly being in the shop. My mom has a 2001 Cabrio that has been nothing but check engine light, after check engine light. She takes meticulous care of it, but it still seems to act up again and again... a few days after it's home from the shop...

I have a 2000 Mazda Protege, and have had it for 4 years now. I've put minimal repairs into it--other than changing the oil and rotating the tires. I did do a timing belt at 65,000 miles, and now have 117,000 miles on it. It's gonna be time for another overhaul/tune-up/brakes very shortly--so my mechanic told me.
They're great cars, and will last forever... and are reasonably priced when looking around the used-car market. The 5 door is indeed a nice looking car!

My other half's previous car was a 1994 Mazda Protege that was originally my fathers (bought new), and then became my sisters... she sold it to Joe when she got her Honda about a year and a half ago. That Protege went through a clutch--but we'll blame that on the sister. Otherwise, it was just regular maintenance, and bits and pieces that wore out over time. :-) It had 150,000 miles on it and the air conditioning didn't work--but even then, it drove him from Wisconsin to North Carolina last summer. He would probably still have it if the A/C were working-- in this southern heat and humidity, no A/C really sucks! We traded it in on a 2007 Mazda 3 back in August.

And of course, everyone knows that used Hondas make excellent cars... they have some of the highest resale values.

I seem to remember Tom Anderson having an Oldsmobile Alero--and having tons of problems with it.

Personally, I don't like American cars. I think that foreign cars (esp. Japanese) are tons more reliable!

Good luck! Keep us posted on your decision!

~Fred


Post# 268325 , Reply# 18   3/7/2008 at 16:36 (5,890 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Well, I'm impressed with all that machine can hold and still clean it well. I don't think I'd stuff that much in my Duet HT! No doubt the Bobster will be giving you his blessing on this one!

Post# 268334 , Reply# 19   3/7/2008 at 17:08 (5,890 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

We have a 04' Mazda Tribute that has almost 75K on it and haven't had a bit of trouble with it. It is still as quiet as it was when it was new. Just oil changes and tire rotations. We still have the original Continental tires on it from new!

Honda's are pretty reliable but when they break you pay through the nose for repairs. And even used ones command a premium price. But in your instance and price range, I don't think you are worrying about resale value. You just want something that will get you where you are going and won't break down on you.

But you haven't had an unreliable car until you had either an AMC Gremlin or a Chevy Vega. The stories I could tell you.....


Post# 268335 , Reply# 20   3/7/2008 at 17:08 (5,890 days old) by timonator ()        
Another Story

My mother has a 2002 Pontiac Grand am essentially the same car as a alero..This car is a 4 cylinder it has had routine maintenance and NOTHING else. oil changes and brakes and a battery The car has 140,000 mile on it today has no rust and looks and drives as well as it did the day she got it. Gm cars are relativley inexpensive to repair unlike some volvos, subarus, volkswagens . It all depends on what you find Reliable these days I would stick with something mainstream not a lot of "frills" like all wheel drive and stuff like that that you really dont need. And I wouldnt pay a ridiculous price for some foreign car because "reliablity" is in the mind of the owner! AND the way the car has been maintained All cars wear out the minute you turn the key your using "something" up afterall noone drives for free. So If you can find a 4cylinder alero that was taken care of..I'd buy it !

Post# 268337 , Reply# 21   3/7/2008 at 17:41 (5,890 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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wow that's some damn quick turnover.
this actually looks like a decent machine.
do you like this machine?

i wonder why they were so short lived? looks like a much better concept than the bottom mounted wash plate Oasis machines.


Post# 268352 , Reply# 22   3/7/2008 at 18:57 (5,890 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Hi Jamie. Thanks. I feel very honored. And very cool!! What a LOAD!!!

Post# 268362 , Reply# 23   3/7/2008 at 20:01 (5,890 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
I guess I'm lucky

I haven't had very much trouble with my Bug. But repairs and service is pretty expensive. It's the price to pay if you want a "different" car.

Post# 268369 , Reply# 24   3/7/2008 at 21:10 (5,890 days old) by liamwa ()        
Great washer!

What great turnover. It just shows that Maytag had some great ideas right up to the end. It's a shame that WP didn't continue manufacturing these units, as they have a much better wash action then their wash plate Cabrio machines. Does anyone here know what kind of reliability record these washers have? Also what did Consumer Reports have to say about them? From what I can see it seems like the best HE top loader.

Congrats on getting it!
Liam


Post# 268375 , Reply# 25   3/7/2008 at 21:30 (5,890 days old) by washabear (Maryland)        

From a reliability standpoint, Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissans are all good. I have a Honda Civic and love it. It only has 54,000 miles on it so far, but it has been flawless. Previously I had a Nissan Altima, which was also good. It had 140,000 miles on it when I bought the Honda, and it was fine, but I wanted a change. I'll bet it's still going strong for some new owner somewhere. Sometimes I miss it, but I do love my Honda.


Post# 268378 , Reply# 26   3/7/2008 at 21:55 (5,890 days old) by myhooverco ()        

Vacuumfreeke...

I owned an '03 Alero that I bought new off of the lot in December 2002. I got 29,000 miles out of it before it was totaled. I had the el cheapo model...no electric windows...plain hubcaps...no spoiler....etc. I had no end of trouble with it. Mostly the brakes were a problem. I went through 3 sets of front brakes in that time. I had numerous "lights" that came on. The best one was when at 20,000 miles the hood started to come off of the car! The hinges at the rear of the hood were separating and I had to take it to the dealer. They kept the car to repaint the new hinges. They also had to replace the drivers side glass because the window regulator was puting deep scratches in the glass everytime it went up or down. I had deep gouges that made it difficult to see out of the window! The transmission (automatic) would only shift into first gear or reverse. It was actually faster to drive backwards! They towed it to my local "GM" dealer who lost my car! Later after locating the car on another lot, they lost my car keys and gave me a brand new Chevy key for my Olds. I made a big stink through the Better Business Bureau over it. Never deal with Spitzer here in north east Ohio! The transmission thing happened twice. All of this of course happended under warranty. The final straw was when they could not replace the front brakes for the third time due to stripped lug nuts.(They could not get the hub caps off of the car.) They were actually going to charge me $20 for the damn things! I refused, told the owner of the dealership what I thought of him (curse words inserted here) and left the hubcaps off! When the accident happened (women drivers!) I walked away totally unhurt. The car was safe since it protected me but I wonder about the role of my brakes in the whole accident. I was amazingly relieved that the car was totaled. I liked the size, the handling, but the fit and finish was total crap. I went right out and bought a Honda Accord as soon as the insurance check came in.

Go for the Honda! (Used or New) I was for the first 30 years of my life against all foreign cars. I have had three new GM cars in a row. All of them garbage. I take care of my cars. I am religious about it. No one even eats in my car...ask HooverWheelaway! GM cars just go to pieces in my hands. The Honda is another story. It is two years old with 15,000+ miles on it. My Accord has only had tire rotation and oil changes. That is it! My new Saturn (very crappy!!) in 1996 had a new engine at 12,000 miles. The Accord is built right here in Ohio. It is at least as much American made as my Alero was. I am looking to keep my Accord. It is solid, reliable, and easy on gas. Guess what? Even the hood has stayed on the car so far. That alone is worth its weight in gold!

I would definitely stay away from anything from GM. They are in lots of trouble now. They will take you down with them. I have even cancelled my GM Mastercard with over $1,000 credit built up toward a purchase of a new GM car or truck! Let us know what you choose. There are plenty of good choices out there!

--Tom


Post# 268379 , Reply# 27   3/7/2008 at 22:35 (5,890 days old) by timonator ()        
Something to think about Tom

Think about the Demise of Hoover!!! I could say the same thing about vacuum cleaners as well! You cant beat a 40 dollar made in china vac ! You can throw it away when your done They work rather well and come in stunning colors! I take care of my vacuums religiously too! And as far as "american made" yes some Honda's are american made but the PROFIT goes righ back to Japan...To help japaneese companies build cheaper vacuum cleaners LOL...Seems a bit Hipocritical to me. Sounds like alot of your problems may have been Dealer related as well...Unfortunate but the Honda Dealer here in Elyria is Terrible People drive to sandusky or cleveland to buy em..

Post# 268386 , Reply# 28   3/7/2008 at 23:18 (5,890 days old) by myhooverco ()        

No...the cars were junk from the beginning. The dealers just tried to polish American made crap...hate to say but American cars use parts made in China and other foreign countries which bolsters THOSE economies. The arguement that profits from Honda sales benefits Japan is just another American cop out to produce inferior products. I could see one bad car. But THREE in a row all from DIFFERENT dealers? Of course the dealers did not help matters, but one could not help feel that at some point they too were frustrated with crappy products. At Honda, none of that. I am sure the same feeling applies to Toyota, Mazda, Hyundai, etc. who all produce very reliable cars. Again THREE GM cars in a row Timonator? Come on...reality check. GM is not what it once was. Hoover has nothing to do with the topic. Apples and oranges. I guess if someone held a gun to my head and forced me to purchase an American car (that is what it would take!), I would have to choose a Ford.

--Tom


Post# 268388 , Reply# 29   3/7/2008 at 23:35 (5,890 days old) by timonator ()        
So Hoover 's Arent american made crap?

Tell that to the guy who buys one made in china for a third of the price at Wal-mart.. Tell me how this has nothing to do with american manufacturers..Justify or tell me how Hoover was poorly managed just like General Motors...Tell me how the tax payers dont pay YOUR salary when a levy doesnt pass because they have no Jobs! Tell me what are those Honda workers going to do when they retire? Tell me what they are manufacturing in Canton Ohio anymore? who's next? Go ahead finance the foreign countries and their companies and let them continue to take control of America. My only hope is im Dead before the day comes when a Nuclear warhead with the name "HONDA" on the side is pointed toward the USA . It could happen..Meanwhile I'll sit back and watch everyone complain about their American Made Products. Others who will praise them.Funny thing though Ive never counted but I know ive seen at least 1000 Aleros on the road and not one without a hood... they all seem to be stopping at intersections too..well most of them. Dyson seems to make a nice vacuum as well..After all They NEVER lose their suction...As Paul Harvey would say..."Good Day"

Post# 268397 , Reply# 30   3/8/2008 at 02:08 (5,890 days old) by beadsobleach ()        
GM

Had my 03 Impala for 130,000 miles with no problems, sold it for a good price. Bought a 05 Ford Focus, got 50,000 on it with no problems, tired of the knee-jerk, American cars suck, Japanese are perfect attitude, check the latest Consumer Reports on Camry and Tundra...

Post# 268398 , Reply# 31   3/8/2008 at 02:13 (5,890 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

VF, I would steer clear of the Alero.

He fell in love with its looks and styling as well, but I watched his hair turn snow-white over the ten months he had it, before, in total exasperation, he swapped it out and "went Japanese"...

Of the cars you mentioned, the Honda Accord seems to be the most reliable, but Honda dealers seem to "drive a hard bargain" and that's why the Camry is a close second and seemingly more common and readily available.

The Hyundai Sonata seems to be a solid bargain as well...

Subarus with AWD are fabulous, particularly in cold climates!

Consider gas mileage carefully as well, since gas prices are poised to go through the roof...

Good Luck!


Post# 268400 , Reply# 32   3/8/2008 at 02:24 (5,890 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        
Parts and Maintenance . . .

I can say that my sister's Mazda is much cheaper to service at the dealership than my VW. VW quality is very uneven, some are great while others aren't and there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. Parts supply is pretty good at VW, they get parts in within a couple of days if it isn't in stock. I don't know about Mazda because the truck (built in New Jersey at the Ford plant) hasn't needed much aside from maintenance.

I'd stay far away from Chrysler products, especially anything from Jeep-Eagle. Their parts supply is just plain pitiful; they don't stock much for cars over 5 years old and aren't even embarrassed when a part for an older car takes weeks to get in, plus some of their parts manuals are just plain wrong.

One car worth thinking about for cheap reliability is the old Toyota Echo. It was an odd looking little car designed to sell for less than the Corolla, but it never met Toyota's expectations in the market. Ultimately they discontinued it here and replaced it with the Scion and Yaris. I drove a rented Echo all over Maui a few years ago and was very surprised at how well it drove. It wasn't big or plush, or a great choice for really high-speed driving (can't do that on Maui much anyway), but it had a very nice, delicate but well engineered feel much like an older Fiat. Most Echos were very basic (manual windows and such) and I'd guess they are less money than a Corolla or Civic, plus they are lighter and that really helps economy in town.


Post# 268404 , Reply# 33   3/8/2008 at 03:20 (5,890 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Great video action! Boy, that machine just loves BobLoads®, doesn't it?

Post# 268405 , Reply# 34   3/8/2008 at 04:02 (5,890 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Thanks for the videos, they look awesome with a colorful load like this.

I am wondering, when it fills, does it stop every time when it adds more water or does it keep tumbling?

A Whirlpool Duet should hold the same amount of laundry, shouldn't it?


Post# 268410 , Reply# 35   3/8/2008 at 05:03 (5,890 days old) by stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
Subaru/Honda/Toyota

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I know of Pp that have the 1999-04 vintage of Chevy Impala and both of them have not had major problems, just routine maintenance. We have several in our motor pool at work. For a larger sedan they have great mileage - abt 21 mpg city and 29/30 on the hwy...resale value is not strong but trying to find one that is in decent shape, hmm...
Personally, I own a '94 Honda Civic bought new, with 179K on the odo - has been just a great car. In the past year she has needed a new radiator and is getting ready for one CV joint but what would you expect for a 14 YR old car?! Years ago when in grad school I was real sad when Mom donated her Subaru Justy -was a Fantastic little car and really fun to drive! But, I shudder to think if it had been in an accident, very little metal to protect her - so it was for the best that I didn't get it. Have a friend with a '91 Toyota Corolla DX that is going great. Spend the $$ to have a trusted independent mechanic give the car you plan to buy a going-over. So many crooks out there that can make a car look and drive good enough for you to buy it then Murphy's law next month and BAAM!!! You're spending $$$ each month to fix stuff, no fun. Best of luck in your search!


Post# 268422 , Reply# 36   3/8/2008 at 07:25 (5,890 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I could be persuaded to part with my 1988 Yugo GVS or my 1968 Citroen 2CV for the right price. Oh, wait, you want something dependable...never mind.

Post# 268424 , Reply# 37   3/8/2008 at 08:16 (5,890 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
2003 Jetta

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I did own a 2003 Jetta 1.8T and kept it for almost 5 years. I would say that, in general, I was quite lucky and got one with few problems. However, it did have quite a few recalls involving electrical components (i.e. heated seats). Being a turbo engine, it runs on premium fuel only (I found out right before driving it off the lot!). For a small sedan, I felt it didn't get good fuel economy either. It average around 20 mpg and that's really low in my books. Before I would consider a VW seriously read up on the reviews. Alot of VW for the US is manufactured in Mexico now and the quality is considerably lower than the German counterparts.

My Jetta began having problems stalling at random times (usually at startup, but would occur at highway speeds sometimes as well). I ended up trading it in for a Saturn Outlook and I really do like the Saturn. Good luck with your search and hope this helps!

Jon


Post# 268433 , Reply# 38   3/8/2008 at 09:19 (5,890 days old) by maytagmark (Galveston,Tx.)        

The only GM product I would buy is something from their truck lineup,my boss has Silverado thats a few years old and it has 300,000 miles,the only thing thats gone wrong with it is the door hinges wore out, My '88 240 Volvo had 300,000 miles and was still running perfect,everything original except for normal wear items,the piller where the top door hinge attaches was rusting so I had to let it go,My '91 Jeep Cherokee has 140,000 miles,with no problems,the starter is just starting to act up but it is made by Mitsubishi,My favorite full size cars are Ford,Mercury and Lincoln,If I were in the market for a new small car it would be the Corolla,they look nice, from the back I can hardly tell it apart from the VW sedans,But with only 5000 cash I would look for the nicest Volvo I could find,preferably a wagon,so I could haul appliances. Mark

Post# 268435 , Reply# 39   3/8/2008 at 09:47 (5,890 days old) by mikes ()        
From Chryslers To Saturns

My first car was given to me by my mother--her old 1966 Chrysler Newport hardtop. The transmission leaked; it overheated; the power windows didn't work--but it ran and ran until I sold it to the junkyard and bought a 1974 Dodge Monaco. Sold that and bought my first new car--a 1982 Nissan Sentra. Over the years (both good and bad) I owned a 1986 Ford Escort; 1982 Ford Granada and (a car I loved) a 1993 Escort. When the automatic seat belts went out on the Escort (and I was told it would cost $500 to fix), I was about to buy a Ford Focus. But I was treated poorly and walked out of the dealership, determined to buy a Toyota Corolla.
It didn't happen.
Several friends of mine bragged about their Saturns, so I went to the Saturn dealer and ended up with a 1990 SL1 sedan. I loved that car--good on gas, reliable and comfortable. Several years later, I got a good deal on a brand-new 2004 Ion, and traded my trusty SL1 in. Another good car--and God help me, last October, the dealer gave me another good deal on the last of the Ions. I am now driving a 2007 Ion 3 with the rare 2.4 liter engine--I understand only five percent of Ions built that year have them. I'm a very happy camper, and I will keep my all-black Ion (spoiler too) for years to come.
In my experience, I have found both American and imported cars to be reasonably reliable--and today's cars are far more trustworthy than their predecessors. I'm neither pro-American or anti import (whatever that means these days in the wake of NAFTA and globalization). Sometimes, you just stumble into ownership and come out a winner. I did.


Post# 268440 , Reply# 40   3/8/2008 at 10:00 (5,890 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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I would look at Honda, Toyota, or Nissan. They all seem to be very reliable. I drove my dad's 1990 Nissan Pulsar for a few years in college and I had only one problem with it: the timing chain went out at about 90,000 miles. I got the car with 65,000 miles on it and it still had the original fuel filter and air cleaner in it. The only thing my dad serviced was the oil. I had to replace the front struts too - he drove it HARD. The timing chain issue can be partly attributed to my dad's poor care of the car before loaning it to me. I decided to replace the chain myself - big learning curve but I did it. I loved that car but had to give it back so Dad could trade it in towards an Explorer. I'm not familiar with Subaru, I just remember a college buddy had one in 1993 and it needed an ignition part that was very expensive.

For American cars, I tend to favor Ford. Having said this, the only two newer cars I have ever owned are a '99 Saturn and a '98 Olds 88, so I don't know how good the new Fords are. I bought the Saturn new and only had it for a year before it was totalled (women drivers!). It never gave me any problems. I bought the '98 Olds form my boss' inlaws 3 years ago for the good gas mileage - it had 35,000 miles on it. 10 days after buying it, on May 31, the intake manifold cracked and dumped the engine coolant into the cylinders. I knew the mechanic and got a discount, but it cost $600. The problem? poor design - an exhaust bypass was improperly insulated and melted the plastic intake. On June 1, GM posted a recall on these and I was re-imbursed for the towing and repair. This recall was 6 years after the car was manufactured. The automatic traction control is currently giving some problems, which disables the antilock feature on the brakes. But the brakes work anyway (like old brakes - no antilock) so I haven't investigated too far yet - it can be costly.

I have several FOMOCO and GM classic cars ranging from 1957 to 1978. I am always having to fix something on the GM cars, only rarely on the Ford products.



Post# 268461 , Reply# 41   3/8/2008 at 11:42 (5,890 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        
Great washer!

But! How did you by-pass the lid switch? I'm going to be using a Neptune TL in Palm Desert for 6 weeks and I'm dying to see it work! Tell us more!

Post# 268471 , Reply# 42   3/8/2008 at 13:26 (5,889 days old) by myhooverco ()        

Timonator...

I must have hit a nerve here. These are only my experiences. No Hoover is not an American made machine anymore since you want to bring this into it. They are made in CHINA and everyone knows it. Purchase a Hoover and you support the Chinese economy. What we as Americans have to realize is that we are a global economy. Capitalism works. I am going to buy the best product I can. I would rather spend a few more dollars and get a decent car (one that won't fall apart like those crappy GM cars and trucks) and one that will be worth something at trade in time. Have you ever shopped for a USED Honda? They are pricey! Ever shopped for used Chevy? Probably a good car but much much less expensive for a reason. Why don't you email Marysville Honda and tell the workers down there that their company supports Japan? You know those thousands of workers at the state of the art car plant that build those flawless Honda cars? You know those well paid employees that pay taxes and have medical coverage? You know those American workers who support their families and local economy from the sale of Honda Accords? Those same Accords that are rated the BEST family sedan in AMERICA? How can we say that Honda supports Japan when it does so much for the families right here in OHIO? Last time I taught my third graders about geography, Ohio is far from Japan.

Oh...if you want, I can mail you copies of all of the work that was done on my Alero. I have all of the receipts for the car. If you will pay postage, I will send it to you. It is rather thick so I hope that you can afford the postage because I will be more than happy to send it to you. You know I can't afford that on my teacher's salary since they have not passed a levy in my district!

Do some research...the dyson does lose suction. Check the court records of the lawsuits filed against the company. I won't go into that since you are not a vac guy. You just would not understand.

--Tom Anderson


Post# 268504 , Reply# 43   3/8/2008 at 18:05 (5,889 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

My family has been GM buyers for as long as I can remember, but I can't ever remember them having any particularly serious problems with them. Sure, they may have silly stuff breaks on them, like a light burning out in the dashboard, or a doorhandle breaking, but I never remember them leaving us stranded, or racking up big repair bills.

Mom owned an older honda, and it wasn't a bad car either...it broke DIFFERENT things than the GM vehicles, but I cannot say it was no better or worse.

I am suprised nobody has said anything about the SAAB 900 he mentioned. I currently own a 1990 model, and have not found it expensive at all to keep running. Parts for this car, although more expensive than American vehicles, are no more expensive than for a typical Japanese vehicle. The BIG thing to watch out for with SAAB 900's are shops that DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING! They WILL charge big money to repair the car because they don't know what they are doing, and run up excessive labor charges trying to figure out what to do. A knowledgable mechanic can repair a SAAB no more or less expensive than any other car. I perform many of the maintenance tasks for this car myself, and they are not particularly hard to work on really.

One thing to remember, if you don't like GM cars, don't get a SAAB built after 1994. That's when they went to a GM design, and the design is totally different. From what I have heard, these vehicle have had some reliablitiy issues, primarly because they were a half-breed between genuine SAAB engineering, and GM engineering, and it didn't merge together well!

One last important thi


Post# 268516 , Reply# 44   3/8/2008 at 18:51 (5,889 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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The machine slowly rotates the drum while it fills initially, just like the Fisher Paykel washers. If it needs to add water after it has begun tumbling, it simply keeps on tumbling and adds water until it thinks it has enough!

You'd think a Whirlpool Duet would hold more laundry actually, my dad's Duet is rated at 3.8 cubic feet, the Neptune TL is rated at 3.5 cubic feet. However, the Neptune TL uses a LOT more water than my dad's Duet so the laundry is weighed down with a lot more water making it able to hold and clean much much more than the Duet.

The lid switch is bypassed using 2 very very strong magnets, it's incredibly picky about the magnet placement however, and sometime takes me 2 or 3 tries to make it happy.(I'll post a pic shortly.) Just a word of caution, when it fills the lid either needs to be closed or the water jets diverted down into the tub, otherwise, it will spray water pretty much everywhere BUT the tub!


Post# 268517 , Reply# 45   3/8/2008 at 19:11 (5,889 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Here's the pics of the safety switch magnets, you have to be careful of the little cream colored tabs that pop out, those need to pop out or it will just beep at you. I've had happen a couple times where only one of the tabs pops out, which is fine cuz it doesn't seem to care, but that may just be a fault on my machine. The magnets need to be placed just right, it's very picky!!!

Post# 268522 , Reply# 46   3/8/2008 at 20:16 (5,889 days old) by timonator ()        
Interesting but

Some good points made by all but it all boils down to this THE Global ECONOMY is obviously NOT working here in OHIO..The other thing is One bad apple doesnt spoil the whole bunch! All cars including imports have problems! I was in the auto biz for 20 years and not for GM !We could argue this point for decades you responded EXACTLY the way I knew you would but..even tho JAPAN is a Long way from america doesnt mean we need to finance their schools and economy and who knows what else. AND...despite lawsuits that GM and DYSON have as you say there are MILLIONS of happy owners..Go figure

Post# 268524 , Reply# 47   3/8/2008 at 20:24 (5,889 days old) by myhooverco ()        

Oh well...I tried...I will keep Hoovering and Honda"ing" through life...ain't it grand!

--Tom


Post# 268528 , Reply# 48   3/8/2008 at 20:40 (5,889 days old) by timonator ()        
I tried too !

But At least I can look a retired HOOVER employee in the eye and say..GEESH I support american made products Im sorry about what happened to Hoover But Im Doing my part NOT to let it happen to other american companies. And btw I dont own a dyson Nor would I For the simple fact its not american made! Is it better? Ask the millions of americans who pay $400 Dollar for them! As the guy who used to work at Hoover? Ask him if he drives a Honda? Im sure youll find one. And as a governement employee I can say to my co workers well..How can you expect a levy to pass when theres noone working around here? Meanwhile..in Japan the economy is flourishing

Post# 268537 , Reply# 49   3/8/2008 at 20:58 (5,889 days old) by cybrvanr ()        
USA made Hondas

an interesting thing I noticed about older Hondas is that they had some problems until they were built in the USA. Older Japanese Hondas typically rusted out badly, had really poor automatic transmissions, and the AC / climate control systems were cantankerous and troublesome. The cars also weren't geared properly for American highway driving, and the seats and such were too small for American drivers.

Now, for all you you all that remembers in the eighties when Honda started building in Marysville Ohio, that's when they obtained their good reputation. This reputation was earned because not only was Honda building the cars here, they were also ENGINEERING the cars here for the American market! The Americans always knew how to build a good, reliable automatic transmission, and if you were going to build cars for the US market, they had to have automatics...Honda obliged and built a rock-solid 4-speed automatic for their Accord. Same holds true for their air conditioning systems. The Americans built ice-cold air conditioners. Japan-designed AC units got warm when the car was stopped, or if it was driven too slow, and don't count on that AC system lasting any longer than 5 years either! It doesn't get that hot in Japan...go figure. American-Hondas however have pretty impressive air condioners in them. many of which still have their original charge that are 10 years or older.

Honda was also to fix all the other little minor engineering issues that made the vehicles more palatable for Americans, like gearing them for slower rev's at highway speeds, building in longer legroom for American drivers, and using coatings that withstood the more caustic road clearing chemicals we use, as well as the climate extremes. American-Hondas don't have the rust issues, or the interior issues like the old Japanese ones did either. Hondas are truly purpose-built American designed, American built cars, and when you buy one you are benefiting Americans.

Hondas are good, well engineered cars, but I am not going to put them on some holier-than-thau pedestal though. They will break, they are mechanical, and no piece of machinery is perfect. As far as my own experience goes, I have had good cars from American-managed companies, and from Honda, both of which which I can honestly say are good cars. I consider both the Honda and the Chevies to be "American" cars because they were not only built here, but designed for the American market. Both vehicles broke things when they got age on them, and they both required maintenance, but neither one had ever left me or my family stranded, or racked up any major repair bills.

Let's leave it at that guys, there are good vehicles, and there are bad vehicles from both companies on both sides of the pond. If it's made in America, chances are, it's a good vehicle. Americans know how to build cars no matter if their paycheck comes from GM or from Honda, or Toyota!


Post# 268539 , Reply# 50   3/8/2008 at 21:18 (5,889 days old) by timonator ()        
old enough!

Actually Im old enough LOL! To remember when EVERY honda I think it was called a CVCC was recalled here in Ohio due to severe rust problems specifically in the front undercariage At first they replaced Front fenders then eventually recalled the whole car. I also remember aspens and volares having the front fenders replaced for rust as well. And some of the earlier 70's Fords were terrible for rust but they used Japaneese steel ...Go figure! But the point I continue to try to make is that just because you have a bad experience with one car doesnt make the rest bad. Doesnt matter who makes it! And when I look at some of the great old cars of the 50's and 60's your sure dont see anything japaneese standing out in the crowd there! Theres nothing like a 57 Ford or Chevy! And back in the good Ole days Cars changed and a Ford looked like a Ford..A Chevy looked like a chevy..and so on . Today all these "Throw away" Accords, Camrys, sonatas, all look the same to me! I miss the day when you actually looked at a car and said Dayum...I gotta have one of those Thats the best looking car ive ever seen!

Post# 268544 , Reply# 51   3/8/2008 at 21:54 (5,889 days old) by myhooverco ()        

Timonator...sounds like you need to modernize your thinking! The world will pass you buy and from the sounds of it very quickly.

My experiences are true and only have happened to me. All I can share is what truly happened to me. I dearly love the two classic GM cars that I drive in the summer months. However, no amount of badgering will get me to change my mind and run out with the rest of the sheep to buy crappy GM cars. I have had THREE new GM pieces of shit...that is more than a coincidence. (I guess I am pretty slow since it took three BAD cars for me to switch to Honda!) I think for myself and it has worked for me in my life. I believe soundly in capitalism....the best product for the money. Do some research and you will see for yourself. Like I said I am going to happily Honda and Hoover my way through life. Life is grand. In life we have differences of opinions...that is ok. I am quite happy working in my district. There are great families that I serve everyday. I also have worked for the Hoover Company. I regularly see the employees as I have many friends who worked there. They are great folks whom I admire a lot. They have not had easy times. And yes, the folks at Hoover drove Hondas, Jags, Mercedes, Kias, etc. Who cares? I can only share my personal experiences with others like Vacuumfreeke. I will try to persuade folks away from GM if at all possible when looking for a new car. But I can only do this from my own personal experiences, nothing else. If you choose to take offense...well that is your problem. Like I said maybe life has passed you by with your outdated thinking. Best of luck to you.


Vacuumfreake

As to why I responded originally, I would recommend staying away from the Alero. I can only recommend the Honda because I have had such good luck with mine. Have you read any reviews on the cars in question? If nothing else, try the Yahoo auto reviews. It is free! I do hope that you get a good deal on the car of your CHOICE. I am sure you will make the CHOICE that is right for you. That is what is great about America...choices. Best of luck to you.

--Tom


Post# 268546 , Reply# 52   3/8/2008 at 22:10 (5,889 days old) by timonator ()        
There is no end

Outdated thinking??? Yea right! Come on now! I see your views as "Double Standards" which is cool we live in a free country but Dont Whine about the demise of Hoover and Drive a HONDA and brag about it In that case BUY a DYSON the rest of America does! If you Truly Beleived in american enterprise and you had a bad experience with GM you would have chosen another American made car..Like I said earlier in my "outdated" Thinking in OHIO...The global economy is NOT working you must admit that! I respect your views and will refrain from responding further. As far as the original question "what Car to buy"? Buy what makes you happy a good deal is a state of mind..If you THINK you got a good deal you probably did!

Post# 268550 , Reply# 53   3/8/2008 at 23:58 (5,889 days old) by wmlask (Spring Grove, IL)        
I would avoid the VW

I think the Honda is the way to go. I have two friends with VW's and they seem to be expensive problem after expensive problem. One has an 04 Jetta that has tons of electrical issues and another has an 05 Passat and she has gotten stuck with a few $1,000 + repairs. I did notice in Consumer Reports (a publication that I don't have much trust in) but they did have the VW on the bottom of the reliability list for what it's worth. I'm on my first Honda and have been very impressed with the car and the service given by the Honda dealer when I take it in for Scheduled Maint.

Post# 268554 , Reply# 54   3/9/2008 at 00:19 (5,889 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)        

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I work for a M A J O R tow company in the United States. You get what you pay for. Trying to save a buck on a $5000.00 car it is very likely things will go wrong with it. Things you can't see. Bad transmission,bad computer,bad electronics,bad fuel pumps. All will leave you stranded on the road,waiting for a tow truck,with out transportation,having to spend money on repairs,rent a car,and wondering if it was fixed right. There are some exceptions. Actually finding that little old lady from Pasadena who has the 1968 buick with all the maintenance records. Good luck!

Post# 268555 , Reply# 55   3/9/2008 at 00:22 (5,889 days old) by phillygrl ()        
Hondas and others

Good cars, I really miss my '84 Honda CRX HF. That car got 60 mpg, and was so much fun to drive. It was my first new car. I have also had an AMC Hornet. That car was still running strong when the body rusted off the frame. A real VW bug, not the warmest car in an Ohio winter. A couple of Datsuns. A Geo Metro, a Suzuki in disguise. Bought my second new car in 2002, a brand new Ford Focus ZX5. We felt really good about buying an American car. And was really surprised (and a little p.o.'d) to find the sticker "Assembled in Mexico" when the car was delivered. Oh well, guess that's globalization for you. Anyway the Ford Focus has been a good car, it has 175,00 miles on it. I expect to get 200,00+ on it. It's been a good ride so far. You may want to consider a used Focus.

Post# 268557 , Reply# 56   3/9/2008 at 00:27 (5,889 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)        

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A $5000.00 Honda will break down! I would not consider this a "reliable" car. More calls for newer and older Honda's than you would expect. Lots of calls for Fords,Chrysler,GM,VW. Less calls for Toyota's,Subaru,Mitsubishi,Nissan. The older the car,no matter what brand,the more likely for mechanical breakdown. A newer car is less likely for mechanical breakdown.

Post# 268561 , Reply# 57   3/9/2008 at 00:42 (5,889 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)        

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Pay for the name OR pay for the tow,repair,rent a car,and TIME.

Pay for zero miles on a new car OR pay for the tow,repair,rent a car,and TIME.

Pay for the intrest on the loan OR pay for the tow,repair,rent a car,and TIME.

Pay for maintenance OR pay for tow,repair,rent a car,and TIME.

YOUR GONNA PAY.... New car,intrest loan,low maintanence,reliability OR Old car,high maintence,mechanical break downs,tow,repairs,rent a car and TIME.

EITHER ONE YOUR GONNA PAY. WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR?

INTREST LOAN AND NAME ON A RELIABLE NEW CAR OR HIGH MAINTANENCE,TOWS,REPAIRS,RENT A CAR AND T I M E?



Post# 268562 , Reply# 58   3/9/2008 at 00:50 (5,889 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)        

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I chose new car,reliable name brand,low maintanence,intrest loan. I drive a 2008 Toyota Prius. No break downs for me. No tows for me,no rent a cars for me. No lost time dealing with a broken down car for me. No stuck on the side of the freeway for 1 hour waiting for a tow. Bonus = lower gas bill for me 'cause I got a Hybrid. Yes,I still PAY.

Jim


Post# 268612 , Reply# 59   3/9/2008 at 12:58 (5,889 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        
thanks!

Wow, I'm surprised at the amount of responses I got. I am actually looking at a different car that I hadn't considered before. An 01 Nissan Altima. It is in my price range and has most of the features I want (tilt, cruise, power windows)... the only thing it lacks that I want is a gearshift indicator display on the dash. I like that feature, and if I get an Altima will just have to go without it. I do not like the way the back of the car looks, but the front and interior are fine for me. I know several people who have had Nissans and they swear by them. If I wanted to pay cash for an Accord or Camry I'd have to get a mid-ninties model and I'd like something a little newer. I now 5000 isn't a lot to spend for a car, but I've been driving 500 dollar cars for the last 7 years so this really will be an upgrade for me. The best car I ever had was a 1990 Toyota Camry. It had 150,000 miles on it when I bought it for 400 dollars. I had it for two years and in that time put another 150,000 miles on it. I drive it to work and school, and to my ex once or twice a week who lived 70 miles away for two years. Then one night, some people here illegally from Mexico ran a stop sign (in an 87 Ford LTD Crown Vic) and smashed into me as I was going down the road. Their excuse was, "I sorry, I no looky, I no peaka English." It turned out that they didn't have insurance, or even a license and they were driving a car that wasn't even theirs! But, on that car, the A/C, cruise control, and all the power windows still worked. I never did anything to that car except oil changes and tires. It never left me stranded, and I miss it very much. Definitely a great car.

I still haven't made the final decision yet, but I'm having fun looking. It's kind of a frustrating process as well, but the first time I get in my "new" car and know this is the one for me, it will be worth it.

Thanks for your advice, and I welcome any additional comments :o)


Post# 268616 , Reply# 60   3/9/2008 at 13:46 (5,889 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

The Altima is a pretty good, reliable car.

I like the styling of the Maxima better than the Accord or the Camry, too.

I'm very opposed to globalization, GATT, NAFTA, the North American Union, the Amero, etc., but I also realize I have to live in the here and now.

I bought a Dyson DC07 a few years ago...and took it right back, because I didn't feel the performance justified the price tag.

I'd always admired certain American-made Hoover "Wind Tunnel" uprights but I knew it would not last long, even if I took scrupulous care of it, and I really wanted to go "bagless".

Then came TTI....and I took a chance on a Chinese-made Hoover "Mach 5" and, so far, it has been the best contemporary vac purchase I've ever made! It was reasonably priced, works far better than the Dyson ever did, the build "quality" and design, IMHO, far surpasses that of Hoover's last bagless American-made models, and it is cheaper and easier to run.

I had the same situation when I bought a Kenmore "Iridium" canister vacuum cleaner. I think it works far better then the more costly Dyson canister, and it was made not in America or even China, but South Korea....

So what am I to assume from all of this? I no longer believe Chinese products are all junk, if you are willing to pay a bit more for the individual item.

Yet, how are we helping America to reindustrialize by automatically purchasing poorly-made and -designed American products and supporting the corporatists in their quest to further cheapen America's own brand name, and winding up with equally disposable American products that will not meet our needs anyway?

I own a Saturn, and at the time I bought it, I was aware it was somewhat inferior in quality, fit, and finish to the comparable Japanese and American models available at the time, but they had a one-price sales strategy and service facilities that greatly impressed me, and they also cost less back then.

Now, the Saturn dealers are just like any other, the garages are just as poorly run and far more expensive than any other manufacturer's facilities are, and the pricing has crept up to a point where they are no longer competitive with Japanese or Korean models, so I'm no longer loyal to Saturn because they're not what they used to be.

I believe many of us are in for financial challenges in the days ahead, and, if the new Chinese-made cars are aggressively priced and of decent quality, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were a big hit here.

They may not be as good as Honda or Toyota, but they may just be good enough for me.


Post# 268694 , Reply# 61   3/10/2008 at 01:32 (5,888 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)        

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If your still gonna buy used.... The Nissan Altima is a pretty good pick. Another Toyota Camery would be good too. I would stay away from Honda's. Those old Honda's are trashed. Does the Nissan Altima have maintanence records ? Has it ever been wrecked ? Bought a used car many years ago that had all the maintanence records. Turns out it had been in a bad accident. Lots of major repairs. Blood seeping out of the dash board on hot days. Who knew ??? I traded that one in for my first NEW Toyota Tercel.

Keep us posted....
Jim



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