Thread Number: 1608
WORST pre-1980 agitator design ever made??
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Post# 60849   3/21/2005 at 21:30 (7,357 days old) by westytoploader ()        

OK, someone asked a while back what the best agitator design was, and everyone gave different opinions which made for a very interesting topic.

So now I ask, what was the WORST agitator design, in your opinion, made before 1980? This includes front-loaders as well, and it can be either the ugliest or the least effective agitator. This doesn't refer to cosmetic details on the machine, just the AGITATOR!!!

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Post# 60852 , Reply# 1   3/21/2005 at 21:35 (7,357 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I would say the Hotpoint long neck agitator is the ugliest/most boring. It's just a stick twisting in the water, fins all along the agitator are much more fun to watch.

Post# 60858 , Reply# 2   3/21/2005 at 22:01 (7,357 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        
agitator hater

the ugliest agitator IMHO,The Blackstone
the least effective,tie between the Apex Bouncing Basket, though it is fun, and the Sear's Kenmore Penta-Swirl


Post# 60881 , Reply# 3   3/22/2005 at 01:05 (7,356 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Least Effective agitator

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In my view, Sear's Penta-Swirl and Penta-Vane are most worthless. Roto-Flex also?

Post# 60883 , Reply# 4   3/22/2005 at 01:26 (7,356 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
apex wringer

Look for a apex "spiral dasher" it was in their wringer machines, it was just plain ugly. I never saw it work, but friends had a dead one in their shed for years.

Post# 60887 , Reply# 5   3/22/2005 at 02:03 (7,356 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Roto-Flex

agitators worked quite well, though not much to look at

Post# 60894 , Reply# 6   3/22/2005 at 07:02 (7,356 days old) by Mayken4now (Pensacola, Florida)        
The worst, or maybe the most boring

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to me is the hotpoint and the speed queen. Now in my old laundramat that I USED to have, it would fill too much sometimes and become not effective at all. The tub vanes/baffles were very small and unusual.

Ok I have to say Penta-Swirl - oh please.Then next was, Only reason everyone went to the corkscrew design is because of the whip-whip agitation transmissions. Yes Austin I love your LAT with the tourquoise agitator.

Steve


Post# 60901 , Reply# 7   3/22/2005 at 08:44 (7,356 days old) by agiflow (Toms River)        

Some of the straight vane agitator offerings GE used in the 70's were pretty boring. That calgon commercial comes to mind,but in fairness to GE, that washer looked overloaded.

Post# 60903 , Reply# 8   3/22/2005 at 08:54 (7,356 days old) by westytoploader ()        

For me I'd say the Penta-Vane and Penta-Swirl agitators are the worst design. Fun to watch, and roll/clean small to medium loads well, but are subpar at handling large loads. IMHO, the design wasn't well thought out because while the base is wide, the fins are small and have no "upper vanes".

Ugliest agitator in my opinion is the Canadian Beatty agitator called "Gentle Hands" or something along those lines.

--Austin


Post# 60904 , Reply# 9   3/22/2005 at 09:04 (7,356 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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The Kenmore Vari-Flex is the worst for me. That huge agitator takes up so much room that the capacity is way diminished. Then, if you had the vanes all the way out, your clothes would get such a beating that the load turned into a mass of lint.

Unfortunately, one of the prettiest agitators is the least effective. After watching the Hotpoint Silloette wash on several occasions, I admit that the graceful swoop of its curved vanes really don't do much, especially with larger loads.


Post# 60912 , Reply# 10   3/22/2005 at 11:15 (7,356 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Kenmore best and worst.

I hate to say it but Kenmore has had some bad ones. The penta swirl/vane are among the worst. The Penta-Swirl was the successor to the all mighty Roto-Swirl, what a disappointment.

Such a stark contrast considering KM's vintage straight-vane and swirl 'tators were really nice and fun. The Vari-flex was kinda weird and bulky looking. Same performance as the str8 vane but adjustable.

I'd say the GE straight vane is pretty blah. Their "swirl" lookalike worked well IIRC.


Post# 1228228 , Reply# 11   4/7/2025 at 10:12 by agiflow (Toms River)        

Unless I'm seeing something different, the Penta Swirl doesn't deserve the negativity it gets on full loads.

Yes I understand this is an old thread but I didn't want to start a new one.

I always thought that the PS was a cool agitator and I always wanted to see a good video of a full load to see for myself if this agitator deserves the bashing it got.... It certainly does not.

Admittedly the rinsing could have been better and this machine needed longer than the 2 minutes for that one pair of pants.

Had to set a second rinse.




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Post# 1228234 , Reply# 12   4/7/2025 at 11:36 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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This thread was started over twenty years ago by a dear and wonderful AW member who has since passed on. It gave me quite a turn to see his name resurrected with this thread.

There is totally zero reason to revive this thread or any other decades old. You want to open floor up to topic again or otherwise have something to say start a new thread.


Post# 1228237 , Reply# 13   4/7/2025 at 12:44 by agiflow (Toms River)        

I assure you this was not ill intentioned. I didn't realize or try to stir up negative feelings about a passed on former member.

If Robert sees this maybe he could take this thread down.

My apologies for resurrecting this thread.


Post# 1228245 , Reply# 14   4/7/2025 at 14:35 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
Reply #12

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There’s zero reason to make such remarks for someone reviving an old thread. Sometimes, it’s nice to turn back the clock and go back down memory lane.

Sometimes, it’s remarks such as that which makes me want to take a long, long break for the forum. Definitely has pushed away people from the forum over the years.


Post# 1228246 , Reply# 15   4/7/2025 at 14:42 by agiflow (Toms River)        

Thank you Sean. There was no ill intent. Other people do it here. I knew there were threads about what I wanted to say so why start a new one?


Post# 1228258 , Reply# 16   4/7/2025 at 17:29 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Reviving an 'ancient' thread is OK IMO, if the new post adds something relevant ... not the manic repetitious ranting that a certain someone is continually spouting. 

Perusing a thread from years ago surely can be interesting and bring up fond memories.  Robert wouldn't have included a search function within the board if he didn't want the material to be easily accessible.  I believe he can manually lock threads against additional posts if circumstances warrant, and probably could have programmed that to happen automatically after a "time-out" period if he didn't want it to be possible.


Post# 1228278 , Reply# 17   4/7/2025 at 23:37 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

I think it's better that he be remembered through his posts, rather than be forgotten.

Post# 1228320 , Reply# 18   4/8/2025 at 19:42 by appliguy (Oakton Va.)        
Remembering Austin Wilder......

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I agree 100% with Tom, Glenn, and Sean. Austin was a very fascinating person and even though I never got to meet him in person I always enjoyed his posts and Youtube videos, he does indeed deserve to be remembered. PATRICK COFFEY

Post# 1228321 , Reply# 19   4/8/2025 at 20:08 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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I never got a chance to meet or interact with Austin since I joined the forum in 2017, but certainly would have been an interesting person to have conversations and interact with.

It is quite disrespectful to make condescending remarks over something not only trying to engage in an interesting conversation, but also to remember and honor a member who is no longer with us. In certain cultures around the world, the only way someone actually dies off is when they are forgotten about.

I’ll admit I’ve may have said things some things over the years here in the forum, but would never stoop down to that level making condescending remarks for someone resurrecting a thread from a member who’s no longer with us.


Post# 1228367 , Reply# 20   4/9/2025 at 11:28 by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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Austin was amazing! I never met him in person but did reach out to him once when I was having trouble with my mid'70s WP washer. He was extremely kind and helpful and is dearly missed.

Post# 1228371 , Reply# 21   4/9/2025 at 12:39 by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
This Hamilton gets my vote

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This pair belongs to a member. The washer looks like an interesting machine; I like the color of the plastic parts. When I examined the agitator, though, I thought it couldn't be a good cleaner. It looks like one of those "Delicate" agitators that lives under the "Regular" agitator, like the ones on TOL Westies and Hotpoints.

 

It looks like it would perform worse than the Straight-6's on some Filter-Flo's


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Post# 1228374 , Reply# 22   4/9/2025 at 13:08 by agiflow (Toms River)        

This was owned by another esteemed late member.




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Post# 1228521 , Reply# 23   4/11/2025 at 15:13 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas))        
GE straight vane.

I'd go with a GE ramped activator over any straight van any day of the week.

Post# 1228522 , Reply# 24   4/11/2025 at 15:16 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas))        
powerfin64

I'd rather take a Whirlpool super surgilator any day of the week.

Post# 1228525 , Reply# 25   4/11/2025 at 15:41 by agiflow (Toms River)        

I'd say the Penta Swirl is probably my favorite now of the belt drive agitators along with the Surgilators in all their flavors.

Post# 1228535 , Reply# 26   4/11/2025 at 16:20 by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
The video tells the story

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As with the GE Straight-8(early version)and the Straight-6 (the later green versions; the black bakelite versions had a little bit more of the bottom, horizontal fins sticking out over the Activator base), the laundry is being swished back and forth...there isn't a lot of rollover going on.


Post# 1228547 , Reply# 27   4/11/2025 at 21:21 by agiflow (Toms River)        

That load was quite full and still turned it over. I mean it isn't to borrow a phrase "dolphins at SeaWorld" turnover but it is still turning over and that whole load circulated well.

Post# 1228548 , Reply# 28   4/11/2025 at 21:26 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
2 Minute Deep Rinse

One problem with the deep rinse in Kenmores was because the fill aerated the load at the back of the tub and large items like sheets took quite a while to be pulled under. The 4 minute deep rinse in the KitchenAid washers, combined with the dual action agitator gave totally satisfactory rinsing.

As far as the least effective agitator from the time period, I would have to nominate the Maytag Gyrator used in the narrow tubs of the automatics.


Post# 1228549 , Reply# 29   4/11/2025 at 21:29 by agiflow (Toms River)        
Reply #26

Sorry Ken if that was presumptuous on my part. Were you talking about the Hamilton ?

Post# 1228550 , Reply# 30   4/11/2025 at 21:33 by agiflow (Toms River)        
Reply #28

Tom that's funny you mention about the Kenmore aerated spray because on one of my videos of the Kenmore it is filling for the rinse and the white T-shirt at the back of the tub started billowing up as the spray was hitting it. You could actually see it like a balloon being blown up.

Post# 1228617 , Reply# 31   4/12/2025 at 16:00 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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This may be an outrageous statement, but my vote goes to the Kenmore Roto Swirl, Roto Flex. While the Kenmore Roto Swirl works fine, don’t really care for the look or aesthetics. The Roto Flex looks kind of cheap, looks like it would struggle with larger loads.

Post# 1228674 , Reply# 32   4/13/2025 at 05:44 by agiflow (Toms River)        

No outrageous statement Sean. Everyone has an opinion. I personally think the Roto Swirl is one of the best looking ramp agitators and the Roto Flex can move big loads. There are videos of it out there. Personally though I find the Roto Flex the least appealing of all of the belt drive varieties.

Post# 1228677 , Reply# 33   4/13/2025 at 06:32 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The Kenmore Roto flex agitator

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Was introduced in 1965 it definitely turned clothing over better and actually got it somewhat cleaner. A lot of research went into that agitator, I put one in my 1964 lady Kenmore that I used for quite a few years. It was very effective.

Hi Sean, you should try the Roto flex in your Mark 12 whirlpool, what’s going on with that washer? What is the hold up with fixing the timer?

John L


Post# 1228689 , Reply# 34   4/13/2025 at 10:25 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
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Hi John, unfortunately the timer is pretty much done for since I’ve literally tried everything you can think of. Tweaked the little tabs on the contacts, worked somewhat but seems to not have done much. Invested at least 40 to 60 hours into it, still haven’t gotten anywhere close to getting it functional, even on the regular cycle. The cams might possibly be worn down which can be causing it to not work as intended.

Unfortunately, I don’t have anything else left at my disposal other than to transplant these consoles on that a friend in Colorado sent (paid for the shipping). It may change the appearance, but the mechanism is going to stay the same, only thing that will be different is the programming since it has a 4 minute drain as opposed to the 2 minute drain, won’t have issues with a water lock or suds lock.

Quite reluctant to do this, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do to keep things running even if it requires a complete retrofit.

If you are wondering, going to paint the side panels with some turquoise paint that’s actually quite close to the turquoise on the machine, just a shade or two lighter.

I’ll create a dedicated to resurrecting those machines back to life sometime within the next couple of months.

If you are wondering, the dial faces were removed for shipping and are getting sent with other parts that were pulled off (automatic dispensers, inlet valve, wiring harness for the washer, other miscellaneous odds and ends).


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