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Post# 269485   3/13/2008 at 19:25 (5,885 days old) by rpm ()        

Just wondering how many of you use the pots and pans cycle?
I just can't bring myself to use it.I usually scrape and scrub then toss them in on a short cycle.
Tonight's cooked on,sorta greasy,sorta saucy, spare rib roasting pan was not what I really wanted to be bothered with.
I just tossed it in and hit the P&P cycle.
I was amazed at the results.
Less fuss no muss.
I guess thats why its there.
It did a good job on dried potatoes too!





Post# 269495 , Reply# 1   3/13/2008 at 20:24 (5,885 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)        

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I use it a few times a month on my Maytag Tall Tub, but it is called Heavy Wash. I always get good results with Normal/Hi Temp Wash though. The Heavy cycle takes 2 and 1/2 hours without drying. My previous Kenmore only took 90 minutes.

Post# 269499 , Reply# 2   3/13/2008 at 20:34 (5,885 days old) by rpm ()        

Wow 2 and half hours is along time.
I have a 9 year old kenmore ultra wash plus.
It changes the water 4 times and heats it three times.I find once it heats up twice it dosen't need to the last rinse.
It was almost as quick as the normal cycle. It took about 1 hour plus thirty minutes to dry.I probably would have spent 10 or 15 minutes scrubbing, so it was a great time saver.


Post# 269501 , Reply# 3   3/13/2008 at 20:46 (5,885 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I used to use it a cou8ple of times a month on my old GE PotScrubber. It was called PotScrubber cycle. I have had a Kenmore elite TT since May, 2007. I probably have used it less than 10 times total since then. smart Wash cycle has pretty much met all my needs, even with stuck on oatmeal on bowls for 7 days or more.

Post# 269511 , Reply# 4   3/13/2008 at 21:10 (5,885 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I don't use anything BUT the pots and pans cycle! Of course, on my Bosch it's called Power Scrub Plus. The other cycles just seem to not get the glasses and silverware clean! Even with a full dispenser of Cascade powder and Jet Dry in the rinse aid dispenser! I wish I had a vintage KitchenAid!

Post# 269515 , Reply# 5   3/13/2008 at 21:37 (5,885 days old) by tlee618 ()        

As some here can tell you I used the "cook ware" cycle for the first time when the group was down here in my GE tall tub. I must say that it did a pretty fair job over all as we did put some challenges in. There were a couple times when a couple things didn't make the grade though. Of course the cycle took 3hours and 15min. so one would hope.

Post# 269517 , Reply# 6   3/13/2008 at 21:51 (5,885 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well Terry it's about time!! Congratulations! See the ol' thing can do a pretty decent job. Yeah, mine takes anywhere from just under 2 hours on up, but all I cre about are clean dishes. I've adjusted.

Post# 269518 , Reply# 7   3/13/2008 at 22:01 (5,885 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Terry -

3 hours and 15 minutes for Cookware???? Good Lord, what the heck is going on inside that machine? Mine takes 105 minutes, and that's with "Added Heat" and "Pre-Wash" selected with no dry. Something has got to be wrong with that machine. My hot water is set at 125 degrees. I use the Cookware cycle every once in a while, but Normal seems to do the job fine, even with cooked on oatmeal inside pots.


Post# 269520 , Reply# 8   3/13/2008 at 22:47 (5,885 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I always use mine.I don't believe in any pre-rinsing.These detergents have to be able to break down.If you pre-rinse the dishes,why have a dishwasher????One of the main resons for replacement of dishwashers today is product failure due to the detergent's chemical composition eating away the parts like your tub seal,door seal and other rubber or plastic parts.If you let the appliance do its job and not try to help it along,it does great.You completely defeat the purpose of having a dishwasher if you always prewas/rinse the dishes.
1.)Dishwashers save gallons of water normaly used when manualy washing dishes.The average dishwashers of today use about 8 gallons.Washing and rinsing by hand can use as much as 30 gallons.
2.)Dishwashers have a booster that heats the wash and final rinse water up to at least 150 degrees F.Some will go up as far as 180F depending on the brand and model.That kills all the germs and sanitizes or even sterelizes dishes.you could never do that by hand w/out rubber Playtex gloves.
3.)By having such a high temp rinse,you needn't use a heated dry cycle.That,my friends,saves 50% on the energy cost of operating the dishwasher.The temperature of the dishes and glassware after that final,heated rinse is so hot they dry instantly.Some models use a fan to distribute air and remove the humidity from the cavity to help speed the drying using no additional heat.


Post# 269556 , Reply# 9   3/14/2008 at 07:28 (5,885 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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I use the Pots & Pans cycle on my KitchenAid quite frequently as I hate to wash dishes and I do not like to pre-rinse. I do scrape off the plates but that's it. When a casserole dish has really baked on grime, like from scalloped potatoes or any kind of meat cooked in a sauce, then I just fill the dish with hot water, put in a tsp. or so of dishwasher detergent (I use Cascade) and let it sit for 5-10 minutes. Then in the dishwasher it goes.

Gary


Post# 269560 , Reply# 10   3/14/2008 at 07:46 (5,885 days old) by re563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

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I have a Bosch, and about the only time I use "Power Scrub Plus" is during the holidays. My Normal wash seems to handle what ever I put in. I don't rinse anything, just scrape off loose stuff. For baked on crusted pans, cassaroles, Right before we sit down to eat I fill the pan with just plan hot water. After we eat, I dump the water and scrape and "Poof" all ready for the dishwasher. Normal is at 108 mins and "Power Scrub Plus" is at 135 mins. Always sparkling results.






Post# 269570 , Reply# 11   3/14/2008 at 09:06 (5,885 days old) by seeitrun2006 (Commerce, GA)        
Pots and Pans Cycle

We have used it a few times on our Whirlpool (tall tub) that was bought March a year ago to replace our fire proned Maytag. I used it on a packed "Bob load" with no pre-rinsing using the Sani-temp rinse when we had a get together at our house. Did a great job and took 2 1/2 hours to finish. But since then we have used the Normal setting with the Hi-Temp wash option and got basically the same results and takes about the same amount of time to wash. So it's a toss up as too which one to use.

Post# 269573 , Reply# 12   3/14/2008 at 09:19 (5,885 days old) by mulls ()        
Frigidaire

I replaced all my appliances last year,and went with Frigidaire.My previous ones went 8 yrs with heavy use and no repairs.I know Frigidaire is considered by many to be a low line brand,but has served me well.I went with their "Profrssional"line.One reason I chose them was because the dishwasher still uses lots of water changes(the cycles are described in the manual,which is available online).This machine CLEANS.It is so superior to Mom's new Kitchenaid-there is no comparison.It uses very little water and simply does not get the job done.We use the light wash cycle often,and it cleans even normal loads well.The regular cycle is 93 min,and will clean anything but baked on grime.
Tom


Post# 269577 , Reply# 13   3/14/2008 at 10:18 (5,885 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
Bosch boy here

Normal wash is usually adequate for average loads. For heavily soiled loads, I go with Power Scrub Plus. I'd say I use Normal 75% of the time and Power Scrub Plus 25% of the time. I don't rinse, I only scrape. The only time to soak something in hot soapy water is when there is baked-on food from the oven. Everything comes out sparkling clean, and the machine is seven years old. I wonder though if newer versions use less water and clean less effectively? My machine was purchased in October 2001. It has the two cycles mentioned above plus Quick Wash.

Quick Wash cycles in just over 30 minutes. It is ok for say cups and plates if you have a bunch of people over for coffee, light refreshment kind of use. However, the final rinse is only 120 F, so you have to allow for more time to for the dishes and glasses to dry after the cycle, compared to a cycle with a hotter final rinse. If you are washing food-soiled dishes with Quick Wash, you definitely need to pre-rinse them, not just scrape.

Quick Wash would be useful if you are having a large party and need to do multiple loads quickly, but you would need to have someone pre-rinsing the plates before loading them. You can't just load and go with this model. Miele has a new cycle called "Party" on some of its high end models. Maybe this is a fast cycle like Quick Wash, but hopefully with a higher rinse temperature than Bosch's Quick Wash.

When I ordered my machine, it had only been released by Bosch a few weeks earlier, and the dealer didn't have a floor model for display yet. I had to order it right out of the dealer's catalog book. Unfortunately, there was a typo in the book and I bought the machine thinking it had Power, Normal and Rinse-Hold cycles. A bit of surprise when it was delivered and I learned there was no Rinse-Hold. Quick Wash uses 3 gallons of water (Rinse Hold uses 1.5 gallons) so it's wasteful to use as a substitute for Rinse Hold. However I quickly adapted to never using Rinse Hold, it isn't necessary because the Bosch does such a good job on cleaning even if some plates and dishes are 4-5 days old. I needed to use Rinse Hold on my old GE Potscrubber because it cleaned so poorly, you would never want to hand it anything with dried-on soil.

So in retrospect I'm glad I got Quick Wash by accident, because I use it on occasion. Bosch now makes two three-cycle models at the entry level of the Integra series, one has Rinse Hold and one has Quick Wash, so you can choose which third cycle you want.


Post# 269579 , Reply# 14   3/14/2008 at 10:36 (5,885 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I use my DishDrawer's Heavy cycle occasionally when the load calls for it - 132 mins, seven water changes, 5.6 gals, 150°F main wash, 163°F final rinse. Normal and Normal Eco are used the most. Occasionally Delicate, less often Fast, rarely Fast Eco, and Rinse/Hold maybe twice in four years. Heavy Eco is pretty much equivalent to Normal non-Eco. The latest load run yesterday was Normal Eco. My DD will be five years old in August.

Post# 269610 , Reply# 15   3/14/2008 at 13:44 (5,885 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I use the pots/pans cycle almost exclusively on my 1990 KA. It's not the Superba so doesn't have the sanitary options but it does have "Quiet Scrub" and automatic water heating. Only if it's a load of lightly soiled items do I use the "Normal" cycle.

Post# 269611 , Reply# 16   3/14/2008 at 13:46 (5,885 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)        

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Coincidently, my Maytag is on Light/Sani-Rinse now going on 90 minutes. I need an older Kitchen Aid or Maytag reverse rack to end this!

Post# 269620 , Reply# 17   3/14/2008 at 15:05 (5,885 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Only for greasy Baking Trays

When I have a dinner party.

My Miele has a Pots and pans Sensor wash, Usually it is a heated Prewash - 75degC Mainwash - 1 Cold Rinse - 1 65deg final rinse. Total time is usually 2 hours, plus a 30minute dry time.

A couple of times when I've been really naughty and poured gravy or really oiley roasting pans in there, it has done up to 3 heated Pre-washes - 75degC Mainwash - 1 Cold Rinse - 1 65Deg Final rinse.

It does the usual wash in 19L of water.

The Miele has a Quick wash cycle that takes 30 minutes. It does a 40degC mainwash - 1 45egC Rinse and no drying cycle. It works pretty well for light soiling.

Its not a patch though on what my Mothers 30yo Dishlex can achieve in its 14minute fast wash.

The current Generation Miele's have about the same running times, but have cut the water consumption down, and now have a Turbo option that can shave up to an hour off a regular cycle.


Post# 269695 , Reply# 18   3/14/2008 at 23:56 (5,884 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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why do these cycles take so long?
it seems even the newest GEs, which had some of the shortest cycles are now approaching 3 hrs.
What a joke.

Our 2003 Triton XL goes about 110min. on Pots and Pans including the dry.



Post# 269698 , Reply# 19   3/15/2008 at 00:57 (5,884 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        
GE....

I have a TT GE, PDW7800 - 2 years old, Looks like the non-stainless version of Terry's from the FL pictures, and I have no complaints with it. The PaP cycle runs 90 minutes, the normal cycle runs 65 minutes and both are pretty close to that in everyday use. It is rare that I use the PaP cycle, no matter what I toss at it comes out spotless on the regular cycle and the Speed Cycle runs only 39 minutes and it does great on average dirty dishes. I don't know why so many complain about these machines.

The only thing I can think of, and I have mentioned it in other threads, is that I keep my hot water HOT. 150-160 degree range, plus during the winter my humidifier runs off it so the water stays HOT. Everything is basically dry when I take it out of the machine. I love this machine, not quite as much as my old 2800, but I like the styling better.


Post# 269729 , Reply# 20   3/15/2008 at 09:41 (5,884 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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All right, from "BobLoad" himself, what is it with this "fill pot or cassarole dish with hot water and soak while we're eating". What little trust and doubt y'all have (wimps). I haven't taken that step in probably 30 years!!!

Post# 269730 , Reply# 21   3/15/2008 at 09:53 (5,884 days old) by magic clean ()        
Its all about "time & temperature"

Jake states:

"my Maytag is on Light/Sani-Rinse now going on 90 minutes".

Any recent dishwasher with the "NSF" certified Sani rinse option, has to attain a predetermined final rinse water temperature. This heated rinse continues to circulate and the machine must hold that temperature for a given amount of time to meet the NSF requirements for sanitization.

This will add considerable amounts of time to a cycle.


Post# 269739 , Reply# 22   3/15/2008 at 10:51 (5,884 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Plus,

To get decent cleaning with very little water, contact time has to be extended.

I always use Pots and Pans on my GE Nautilus, and I usually use the Hot Start option. That combination seems to get everything, and when it doesn't, it's only a yibble or two. I do miss my first dishwasher at times, a reverse rack Maytag, but oh, well.


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 269785 , Reply# 23   3/15/2008 at 14:44 (5,884 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
soaking while eating

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Bob, with my apt. Frigidaire dishwasher, I must let the stainless pots and pans sit with water to soften everything before washing, otherwise the Frigidaire won't get them clean.

I can't comment on other machines other than the GE Triton XLs. The one my parents have will wash anything you throw at it as long as it's not burned on :)


Post# 269927 , Reply# 24   3/16/2008 at 08:31 (5,883 days old) by re563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

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ALL RIGHT BOB!!!

Call me a whimp all you want--I guess it from old habits die hard. Growing up (6 kids) we didn't have a dishwasher and that's what mom trained us to do. Fill the pan or pot with hot water and let it sit while we eat. So it's just a natural thing that I just don't even think about, I just do it. But, it could be worse. I could be like my sister-in-law and ony put tableware in my bosch (she has the exact same machine that I do) and she washes everything before loading


Post# 269971 , Reply# 25   3/16/2008 at 12:00 (5,883 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Well, I use the pots&pans cycle maybe in average twice a week if I have to handle lots of fatty dishes.
This week, I ran the pots&pans cycle 4 times because my dad was cooking and he always uses lots of oil :(
But when I´m using the p&p cycle I always add some powdered dishwashing detergent for the prerinse and I think that this is absolutely necessary since european dishwashers are known for the mess they leave in themselves.
The duration on my Bosch is in all cycles very high, Auto:2.30h, P&P(Intensiv):2.13h, ECO50°:2.30h, Quick: 30 min, prerinse: 19 min.
Well, but I´m still lovin it :)


Post# 270011 , Reply# 26   3/16/2008 at 14:40 (5,883 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Actually find don't have to bother with the P&P cycle if one adds about one teaspoon or thereabouts of STPP to both detergent cups in the normal cycle, along with a good dose of detergent.

Will add an extra rinse, but that is about it.

L.


Post# 270040 , Reply# 27   3/16/2008 at 17:29 (5,883 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Hi everybody! I have a whirlpool DU940 got it in the year 2000 Dishwasher is a standard tub model with the power clean wash system. It does a great job on the pots & pans cycle.It reminds me of older dishwasher cycles. I put in really baked on foods and greasy dishes in an extremely full load(Bob load +) Wash cycle consists of five fills... Detergent electrosol 3 in 1 tabs with POWER BALL in the Main wash,Cascade Complete powder one tablespoon full for prewash


1.Prewash at a temp of 135Fahrenheit

2.Rinse

3.Main wash at a temp of 145F

4.Rinse

5.Last Rinse at a temp of 145F

The whole cycle Takes about 2:35Min and everything comes out brillant. Love that machine i think it's one of the groups favorite dishwashers. Darren k



Post# 270151 , Reply# 28   3/16/2008 at 20:47 (5,882 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

In my Bosch, I use the "Auto Super Wash" for virtually every load I do, as it seems to be the most efficient at dealing with potato and starchy residues, and grill pans.

This cycle has two intermediate rinses, a decent wash temperature range and a heated prewash.

The "Auto Wash" (normal cycle) I use for only lightly soiled items (afternoon tea, drinks & nibbles, etc.)

Having learned my lesson from years ago, a new machine has to have an intensive cycle. Standing at the sink, scrubbing pots and pans isn't for me!


Post# 864503 , Reply# 29   1/28/2016 at 13:17 (3,009 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)        

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I know this is an old thread but I've been using Pots and Pans on my new Kenmore quite often.I rotate between that and the One Hour wash which does an excellent job by the way. Since I had to bite the bullet and get a new "eco friendly" dishwasher I decided that I was going to get my money's worth. I have stopped soaking baking dishes, pans, and have scraped dishes much less than I used to. Pots and Pans with no options runs for 2 hours, with Hi Temp it's about 2 hours and 20 minutes, and with Sani Rinse it goes for 2 hours and 40 minutes. Since I got this dishwasher in November I have only had one reject and that was my fault due to loading. Except for the smaller racks I am very impressed with its performance

Post# 864510 , Reply# 30   1/28/2016 at 13:42 (3,009 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I use Heavy Wash on my Frigidaire Gallery quite a bit too. If I have really baked on food or really dirty pots/pans. Otherwise I use Normal most often. I have a 1 hour wash on mine as well and it does a good job...as long as nothing is caked on. Longest cycle on Heavy has been about 2.5-3 hours...not bad really. Normal usually goes for just under 1.5 hours with heated wash.

Post# 864517 , Reply# 31   1/28/2016 at 15:14 (3,009 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Ain't That The Joke?

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Almost everyone I know with a modern DW doesn't use the economy cycle. Instead optioning up to near top of the energy scale to get good results. Government Fail? Probably!

Malcolm


Post# 864518 , Reply# 32   1/28/2016 at 15:28 (3,009 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Actually...

I think more and more people actually opt for sense cycles.

Post# 864522 , Reply# 33   1/28/2016 at 15:53 (3,009 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Now that I've been making more dinners at home, I've used the "heavy" wash almost exclusively the past few weeks.
With temp boost and steam/soak, it'll run about 2hr 45min on the new GE Profile.


Post# 864523 , Reply# 34   1/28/2016 at 15:57 (3,009 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I would use an "auto" cycle if I had one honestly. But I would still judge each load before selecting that. Sometimes using Heavy or Pots/Pans is better, especially if you have baked on soils that the sensor might not catch.

Post# 864564 , Reply# 35   1/28/2016 at 20:02 (3,008 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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I've always used Normal cycle on all my machines for the most part. Unless there's a horrendously filthy load that has accumulated over a few days. With the PowerClean I used it almost exclusively, the Voyager as well because of the sensing capabilities, and now with the new Whirlpool I either use Normal or Sensor with no options. All with brilliant results. Last night I used Heavy on the new machine and didn't honestly notice any difference in performance other than a longer cycle.

My philosophy is that if a machine can't perform with a full load of normally dirty dishes, meaning all scraped but never rinsed but nothing burned or scorched on, and not produce perfect results with its normal or regular cycle, it's not a machine that belongs in my house.

Now of course, if I decided to put a casserole dish or something with burnt on food, that would definitely warrant no less than the P&P or Heavy cycle.


Post# 864655 , Reply# 36   1/29/2016 at 11:22 (3,008 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I use the Pots & Pans cycle from time to time, mostly for the 3rd rinse it gives. Here's what I used it on the last time because the load contained a lot of grease. I also used to Sani option, taking the time up to 95 minutes.

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Post# 865204 , Reply# 37   2/2/2016 at 13:12 (3,004 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I use pots ad pans...

I use pots and pans every now and then on my Whirlpool tall tub dishwasher when it will go through a full cycle without me having to intervene. Even then, it doesn't do a good job cleaning anyway.


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