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Thread Number: 16304
OK, I'm drawn slit down the middle about my brand new KitchenAid dishwasher |
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Post# 271205 3/21/2008 at 12:08 (5,872 days old) by geoff  (Cape Coral, FL) |
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OK, my absolute favorite Maytag TT dishwasher S#!T the bed about 2 weeks ago. I was really pissed cause it was not even 2 years old and I LOVED that machine. I must admit that I have ALWAYS wanted a KitchenAid even when I bought the Maytag. So after the 4th or 5th repair I went out and bought a brand new Kitchen Aid. I had read horrible reviews and witnessed in person Toggy's complete garbage KitchenAid. Even still, I wanted one. I have had my new one about two weeks and let me tell you it is the best dishwasher I have owned so far.. Now don't get me wrong, I DO miss my Maytag cause it was the only dishwasher I know that can fit my extra tall wine glasses in the top rack. In the KitchenAid they have to be done on the bottom rack. My dishes come out absolutely SPOTLESS in the KitchenAid. I thought my Maytag was a sandblaster but this KA has scoured the drip pans from my stove, a completely greasy bake pan that had done bacon. I have not pre-washed anything before goiung in this dishwasher and I stil get spotless results.. During the winter I keep my hot water at 160 degrees, but I turned it down last night to 140 since spring is one the way and it hasn't affected cleaning at all. I use Cascade Complete with Original Blue Jet-Dry. This dishwasher has handled anything I have thrown at it so far.. The question is, why am I having such fantastic luck with mine yet 50% of people that have bought them, hate them, and say they don't clean at all?? I'll tell ya one thing guys, I'm sticking with my Kitchen Aid.. Have at it!!!! Geoff | ||
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Post# 271206 , Reply# 1 3/21/2008 at 12:11 (5,872 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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Ohhh! | ||
| Post# 271219 , Reply# 2 3/21/2008 at 13:45 (5,872 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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geoff, I am so glad to hear that. It does give one hope. One hour sure isn't bad, is that with any extra added heat? | ||
| Post# 271220 , Reply# 3 3/21/2008 at 13:45 (5,872 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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Good to hear that you're pleased with your new machine! Can you tell us more about the model you got? | ||
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Post# 271223 , Reply# 4 3/21/2008 at 14:06 (5,872 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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Hi Terry | ||
| Post# 271225 , Reply# 5 3/21/2008 at 14:21 (5,872 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 271250 , Reply# 6 3/21/2008 at 16:00 (5,872 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Your Maytag gave out after only two years? That makes me...nervous. My Maytag was purchased in November of 2005 and (knock on wood) it's required no service of any kind. Dishwashers have it tough in my house. In fact, I've often thought I should be enlisted to test a machine's real-world endurance. I cook a lot and it's not unusual to do at least 4 or 5 loads a day when the pots and pans are flying. For years I refused to buy a Maytag because of the tiered upper rack; now that's one of my favorite features...besides the cleaning power, of course. Isn't it amazing that so many of us have radically different experiences with the same appliance? If you read the online customer reviews of dishwashers at Sears or Consumer Reports, you'd not find a single model that passes muster! Here's to your new KitchenAid; may it give you many loads of uninterrupted service! We'd love to see interior pics if you get the chance. I've heard the new KA's are very quiet, too. Just out of curiosity: What did the service calls on your Maytag involve? | ||
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Post# 271256 , Reply# 7 3/21/2008 at 16:23 (5,872 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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| Post# 271304 , Reply# 9 3/21/2008 at 22:27 (5,872 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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geoff, please do share with us some pictures of the machine and also the model number. | ||
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Post# 271308 , Reply# 10 3/22/2008 at 00:29 (5,872 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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sure guys! | ||
| Post# 271360 , Reply# 13 3/22/2008 at 09:30 (5,871 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 271399 , Reply# 15 3/22/2008 at 11:55 (5,871 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Boosting water temperature for dishwasher beyond say 140F, may not be a good idea. Most of today's TOL and even MOL dishwasher detergents contain enzymes, which work best at around 120F to 140F. IIRC, both Cascade and Electrasol note this ideal range somewhere in product information (maybe on their websites) for their enzyme containing detergents. Hot and very hot water for automatic dishwashing was the norm because in combination with very caustic detergents, it is the best way to handle grease and oil soils on dishes. Chlorine bleach was added to deal with protein. There is the fact high water temperatures help sanitise dishes as well. Consumer Reports and other such publications worldwide have pretty much stated the same thing; today's modern enzyme dishwasher detergents with enzymes, run rings around those without. Also as with laundry, since the enzymes are doing much of the heavy cleaning, and they work in cooler water temperatures, more can be done at lower water temps, which saves energy. It would be very interesting to see how well vintage dishwashers without heaters perform with modern enzyme based detergents. It may have saved generations of housewives all that pre-washing. L. | ||
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Post# 271406 , Reply# 16 3/22/2008 at 12:23 (5,871 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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Actually John,
My Maytag's issues were a bit less common. The filters clogged twice. The 3rd time something blew a hole in the filter mesh letting everything through back onto my dishes..I could only use certain types of detergent because any others would foam up and the pump would just cavitate the whole cycle. the lower spray arm froze up twice, three screws stripped out on the filter assembly. The nail in the coffin was when the food waste disposer obliterated itself. There was a burr in the metal screen (manufacturing defect) and the blade came up and hit it. That was the end of that..
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Post# 271451 , Reply# 17 3/22/2008 at 19:13 (5,871 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Geoff--I've wondered about how to clean around the filter area on my Maytag. It was easy to do on the Frigidaire I used to have. The occasional pea or piece of corn that doesn't make its way to the grinder requires a little more dexterity to remove than it did with the Frigidaire. The filter area on your KitchenAid is also pretty exposed, making it easy to 'clean' occasionally, isn't it? | ||
| Post# 271504 , Reply# 18 3/23/2008 at 01:11 (5,871 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA) | ||
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| Post# 271505 , Reply# 19 3/23/2008 at 01:14 (5,871 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA) | ||
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milky glasses | ||
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Post# 271596 , Reply# 20 3/23/2008 at 12:12 (5,870 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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OK, let me start answering questions..
Hi Jim, yes it is a Tall Tub.. To those who have mentioned using it, I truly think Cascade Complete really is the best I've ever used.. There seems to be nothing it WON'T clean. Eugene, the filters on the KA are in plain view so if I have to clean them it looks like it would be pretty easy, Although the hydro sweep has jets aimed at the filter keeping it clean. The Maytag was a nightmare, when the filters clogged you had to take the whole thing apart and soak it then rinse it till everything dislodged. The KA is VERY quiet. Although, when I first got it home I ran it before I installed it and you could hear all the jets beating against the SS tub. I was shocked. You can hear a lot of water action before it's installed. once it's installed, it's quiet as hell...
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Post# 271625 , Reply# 21 3/23/2008 at 13:58 (5,870 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 271840 , Reply# 23 3/24/2008 at 11:11 (5,869 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Great to see you posting, sir! 
Geoff: Glad your KA is fabulous! You deserve a good one! I simply believe mine was a first-round TT with design weaknesses, or maybe just a lemon of its own accord. It is good to know I can pick-up a WP/Sears Kenmore /KitchenAid in the future and be happy with it! I like my lower MOL GE for cleaning results but the loading is not my favorite. Even the room-mate has said he liked the KA racking better. That speaks volumes since he does not care about these things. | ||
| Post# 271865 , Reply# 24 3/24/2008 at 12:59 (5,869 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Tom, what brand of dishwasher detergent do you use that is a chlorinated baking soda fresh gel? Thanks Terry | ||
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Post# 271877 , Reply# 25 3/24/2008 at 14:28 (5,869 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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Hi Steve
Thanks!!! I almost didn't get one because everytime I looked at one I would get this picture in my head of that baking sheet that was in yours for 2 hours and looked no different LOL. I still remember that day! But, I decided to throw caution to the wind and I am SO glad I did.. I still wish you had better luck with yours
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Post# 271879 , Reply# 26 3/24/2008 at 14:30 (5,869 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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Terry | ||
| Post# 271943 , Reply# 27 3/24/2008 at 21:30 (5,869 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Thanks for the information Geoff, I'll check it out. Terry | ||
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Post# 272028 , Reply# 28 3/25/2008 at 11:01 (5,868 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Terry, It's in a blue bottle, but I think Electrasol or Cascade has a similar non-floral product. | ||
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