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Post# 285956   6/18/2008 at 22:21 (5,761 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Video at 11.

Yep, today I picked up yet another Miele washing machine. In this case, with what may be its matching dryer.

W1065 washer plus a T1036 dryer. Both cosmetically in very good condition, although the washer has some mold on the boot and a musty odor (which I'm now airing out in the driveway).

Cost? All of $50 for both. Eventually I'll be moving the washer into the shop to hook it up and see if it works. Probably will have to pull one of the existing W1065's to make room.

Best of all, both came with the original installation and operation manuals, a real bonus.

So what am I up to, Miele-wise?

Current total: 3 W1065 washers, one 1918 washer, one T1070 dryer, one T1036 dryer.

Of these, three of the washers are hooked up, although I mainly just use the 1918 for whites, tidy whiteies. I like the 1600 rpm max spin, and it seems to rinse very well despite its sipping water.

I played with programming in a fifth rinse and extra water on the 1918, but on one load of bath towels it overwhelmed the trash can/sump pump drainage system so I had to back off that mode. (The sump pump lost its automatic switch long ago so I have to manually activate it at the end of each load. I could go back to the fifth rinse and more water if I were to fix it or get a sump pump with an automatic switch).

Of course I'm curious as to how the latest W1065 works - if the mold is an indication of failed heaters, or what. Time will tell!






Post# 285986 , Reply# 1   6/19/2008 at 00:39 (5,761 days old) by mrx ()        

To kill the mould just run a 95C boil wash with a good dose of high quality detergent.

In general, that will remove detergent deposits and kill off any mould.

If that doesn't get it all off, you could run a specialist washing machine descaler through the machine.

Miele sell one themselves : www.miele.co.uk/accessori...


CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrx's LINK


Post# 286004 , Reply# 2   6/19/2008 at 04:52 (5,760 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Boot on my Miele 1070 was quite fouled with mould and gunk when the machine arrived, had Miele service change the thing when they came out to attend other matters. Damn good thing too, as the boot had a nice sized rip/hole clearly seen when replaced. Trust me if you see mould on the boot when it is in the machine, you don't want to know what is growing on the parts you cannot see. Was going to keep the old boot to show how gross it was, but upon seeing how gross it was when the service man removed it from the machine, it went straight into the rubbish, and the rubbish went out of doors.

Mould around the boot can be caused by several factors; such as not keeping the washer clean and especially keeping the unit closed for long periods of time between washes. Mould grows and feeds on the detergent/soap residues and body soils left on the inside of the drum and door boot by using poor laundry habits, including lots of cold water washing.

Problem with trying to entirely clean the boot is the thing is never totally immersed in water, even during high water rinses or the wool wash cycle. If you clear out the mould from the areas you can see, water touches, any remaining will grow in time to retake the areas cleared off. No, best start with a new boot, IMHO.

L.


Post# 286901 , Reply# 3   6/23/2008 at 21:46 (5,756 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Yes, L, I remember your tale of woe about the foul boot your W1070 brought with it, and the heroic Miele mechanic who liberated you from the mouldly boot's thrall.

I don't think the mold on the latest Sudsmaster Mansion Miele Collection is as bad as you described. It's in a ring around the front of the boot. I think it can be cleaned off ok, and a few boil washes should handle the rest. We'll see... my big question is whether or not it's still capable of boil washing.

The think is still lanquishing under a furniture pad in my courtyard. I will have to do some surplus appliance shuffling to squeeze it into the Miele testing area.




Post# 286945 , Reply# 4   6/24/2008 at 07:09 (5,755 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Sudsmaster:
If your Miele washers are half as good as my Miele Silver Moon vacuum, they must be phenomenal. I love the look of them. They seem to be of so much better quality than the LG, Whirlpool or Electrolux. A lot better than Bosch too?
Bobby in Boston


Post# 286956 , Reply# 5   6/24/2008 at 07:38 (5,755 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

They are Bobby they are!

Post# 287155 , Reply# 6   6/25/2008 at 03:49 (5,755 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Bobby,

The build quality on the Mieles is excellent. You can't really tell from the outside, but inside it's very obvious. ALL the cabinet sheet metal and bracing has a thick porcelain coationg, inside and out. The weights for the tub are black painted cast iron, and well designed to maximum weight in a minimum of space.

I don't know about Bosch washers because I've never had them apart. But I'd have to say there is no comparison with the build quality on a Maytag Neptune FL. Not that the Neptune is a bad machine - I still have my matched set in the main house, and it works well. But the Mieles are built like little tanks. If the Neptune had the build quality of a Miele, it wouldn't be rusting around the detergent door opening - a result of insufficient powder coating (not even porcelain enamel) in that area as well as under the top panel).

The build quality is one reason why I don't mind accumulating these washers. Just opening one up lowers my blood pressure ;-).


Post# 287181 , Reply# 7   6/25/2008 at 06:51 (5,754 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Sudsmaster:
Good to know some company is still making a good quality product. I'll have to look closer at them.
Bobby in Boston


Post# 287204 , Reply# 8   6/25/2008 at 10:00 (5,754 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I know I am rehashing a couple of pics here but here is the insides of my Miele 4800 washer

Post# 287206 , Reply# 9   6/25/2008 at 10:01 (5,754 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

another shot control computer

Post# 287208 , Reply# 10   6/25/2008 at 10:02 (5,754 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

side shot

Post# 287210 , Reply# 11   6/25/2008 at 10:03 (5,754 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

and another

Post# 287211 , Reply# 12   6/25/2008 at 10:04 (5,754 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

and the dryer Miele T9800

Post# 287212 , Reply# 13   6/25/2008 at 10:05 (5,754 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

and the insides

Post# 287213 , Reply# 14   6/25/2008 at 10:06 (5,754 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

And my dishwasher

Post# 287283 , Reply# 15   6/25/2008 at 19:06 (5,754 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Notice how even Miele has had to make construction and material changes to their latest washer offering for the US. In exchange for much greater capacity and 110 volt compatibility, we get some less desirable changes.

Instead of a stainless outer drum, it's plastic. People have mixed feeling about that change.

Instead of porcelain coated steel internal braces, it's galvanized steel braces. These probably work just as well, but probably also will eventually rust sooner than porcelain enamel coated steel braces would.

It is nice to see that Miele retained the neat and compact cast iron drum counterweights in the 4800 series, vs. the tacky looking and bulky concrete blocks that other mfg use. The wiring for the electronics appears to be of similar quality as on the older machines.

Next time I have a 220 volt Miele open, I'll snap some photos so we can see the differences.


Post# 287325 , Reply# 16   6/25/2008 at 23:14 (5,754 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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According to Miele's press releases, the outer "plastic" tub is made from the same fiberglass as hulls of high speed yachts/boats, and is every bit as durable as stainless steel. Certianly better than the enamelled porcelain outer tubs some other front loaders use instead of stainless.

Miele cut some corners and ate some crown with several washing machine models being offered in the United States. After claiming for years Miele would NEVER offer 110v washing machines, soon that will be all there is on offer on this side of the pond. Miele also gave up doing battle with Mrs. Average American Housewife and her love affair with LCB, and not only permits usage of the stuff in their machines, now there is even a dispenser slot for it.

Miele certianly still offers quailty for the money, but would rather a large capacity, robust front loader, with the older controls, rather than this new trend towards everything being chosen by cycles.

L.


Post# 287344 , Reply# 17   6/26/2008 at 02:45 (5,754 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well, it's not the same fiberglass as one might find on a '57 Corvette.

Looks like plastic to me. I don't think this is hand-laid fiberglass. And those thin ribs couldn't have much glass in them, at least not the traditional woven fabric type.

Miele also had to give up its treasured rant against tilted tubs with this machine. I never fully bought into that line, anyway, but I do agree that a perfectly horizontal drum is probably better for a number of reasons. The tilt seems to have come about largely for ergonomic and maybe marketing reasons. GE sort of killed the whole perfectly horizontal drum argument by coming out with a badly flawed implementation with their Adora series, although the Frigidaire/Elux Affinity series seems to be doing much better (another perfectly horizontal drum machine).

Interestingly, if one googles Miele fiberglass, the name of a guy Miele pops up here and there for a patent on water-resistant fiberglass. Wonder if he's of the same family that owns the Miele company...?


Post# 287355 , Reply# 18   6/26/2008 at 05:45 (5,753 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

That outer tub is very tough. Its not the flimsy plastic one would find on a Whirlpool or Frigidaire built machine. You have to remember there are plastics out there that are fiberglas filled...meaning that they have small fragments of fiberglas in the pellets or resin before molding. This tub I can tell you isnt going to let me down. Also the angling in the drum isnt a problem wash wise. I really notice one thing though....this washer can remove stains I never thought I could get out. And she heats water very well.

Post# 287418 , Reply# 19   6/26/2008 at 13:36 (5,753 days old) by mrx ()        

I just find it odd that the electronics seem precariously close to the outer tub!!
Is there no risk that if the drum were to go out of balance that you could be saying "Bye bye" to the machine's brain?!


Post# 287425 , Reply# 20   6/26/2008 at 14:59 (5,753 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi MrX

The Plastic Under the control board is on a 45 degree angle. The tub would have to hit the galvanised Bracket and the lid of the machine before it could go high enough to hit the shroud and control board.

It's quite a good design, as that area of the machine would require a huge component failure for moisture to get up there.

On the earlier machines the computer was located on the inside of front panel that swings open. Right next to the boot on the right hand side. A perfect location for water damage should the boot spring a leak.

Its a bit dissapointing that the drain flap appears so close to the floor. You get about 4" clearance on the 5 and 6kg machines. It seems silly to have dropped it down that low unless it is an optical illusion.

Otherwise it still seems to have the Miele quality inside and out.


Post# 287429 , Reply# 21   6/26/2008 at 15:29 (5,753 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Nope thats not an illusion at all...it is close to the floor...I know since I took it apart one time to check my filter. There was nothing in it but what a pain it is to get a small basin under the opening chute. Brisnat81 is right about the controls...it would take alot for the tubs to get that high and the springs are so strong and the shocks I never have a problem with out of balance loads. Besides if there is one the washer has a terrific sensor system that would stop it from happening.
I will have had this washer and dryer a year in september and so far I am very happy with them. I find myself getting laundry done reasonably quick...not like a toploader but the times are reasonable I think. The dryer is super fast and the roar of the airflow has gotten better. Or maybe I am just used to it.
On another note I dont know if anyone knows but Miele recalled the T9820 gas dryer. Apparently the dryer's internal gas connections can come apart leaking gas. And the shocker...the dryer isnt made in Germany....try the Czech Republic. They certainly charge a German build price. And no where on the washer and dryer does it say where its made. My vac and dishwasher have Made In Germany on the id tags...not these 2.


Post# 287447 , Reply# 22   6/26/2008 at 17:52 (5,753 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Hmmmm!
I know the lower line of Miele vacuums is made in China. But the tag says "made in Germany, assembled in China, components from Germany and China."
Bobby in Boston


Post# 287457 , Reply# 23   6/26/2008 at 18:44 (5,753 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

My Miele Ariel tag doesnt say that....Made In Germany. I wonder how low in the line we talking? Mine is considered an S5 model canister.

Post# 287482 , Reply# 24   6/26/2008 at 21:15 (5,753 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Like Many Other European Companies

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Miele has begun out sourcing work to former Eastern European bloc countries, Russia, and even Asia, this includes the once sacred areas of textiles,and leather goods.

Simply put the matter comes down to costs. Many western European countries have very high labour costs, coupled with high taxes (someone has to pay for all those social benefits and pensions), and strong labour protections that make hiring and firing employees based upon need very difficult. Just as with American manufacturing,sadly many things can be made elsewhere in whole or part for less money. As the European Union keeps expanding, the field of potential low cost production expands further, and again there is always Asia.

Because of Common Market, EU regulations, WTO and other laws Western EU governments have very little leeway to halt the above, just as in the United States.

As also in the United States, appliances in the EU are moving from being "major" to what one sees here; things built to last several years (if that),then chucked to the curb. You also have increased competition from Asian appliances makers such as LG, Haier and others entering the EU market.

L.


Post# 287484 , Reply# 25   6/26/2008 at 21:51 (5,753 days old) by andyelectrolux (Canton, MA)        

Mike

The Naturell, Plus, S514 and the Universal uprights are assembled in China with components from Germany..etc.

The S4 and S5 lines are both 100% German made. I believe the new S7 upright will be too, but we shall see.


Post# 287504 , Reply# 26   6/27/2008 at 01:22 (5,753 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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The older Miele 220 volt machine, the W1065, has the drain flap and drain tube also very close to the floor. I'd estimate it's about 1 to 2 inches clearance. Just enough to get a shallow pan under the drain tube, not a bowl, really. But it works well enough.

Of course one could always raise up the washer onto a pedestal for more clearance.


Post# 287509 , Reply# 27   6/27/2008 at 03:49 (5,753 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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I've used a normal Faberware small saucepan to drain my Miele 1070 (solid door version of the 1065). water will drain out of the sump once the stopper is opened, regardless of how the hose is angle. Mind you the hose is not that long so there is a limit to how long and high it will reach. Will grant that if the hose isn't entirely flat some water may remain inside the sump, but that never has bothered me. The purpose is to remove enough water from the sump so the drain filter can be opened, what water that remains will come out when the filter cap is removed. One always puts a "Wee-Wee" pad or shallow pan under the area to catch whatever comes out.

L.


Post# 288177 , Reply# 28   7/1/2008 at 23:44 (5,748 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well, all my Mieles are in the workshop, on a concrete floor that seems to sop up small water spills without complaint. But I've used a shallow plastic tray - it's actually a polycarbonate food storage container, without the lid. Works very well. For spills I might use a spare cloth towel - which of course gets sullied by the concrete so it's usually first into the next wash... lol...

Got a cheap laundry tub the other day, and am working on how to hook it up to the nearest drain, which is about 50 feet away. It's a bit of a challenge since the "drain" is actually an unused toilet, so there is only about 4 inches of gravity drop over the 50 feet. Eventually I'll probably tear out the wall under the nearby sink to see if I can connect to a drain line lower down... If I were really brave I'd rent a jackhammer and try to find the sanitary line that must run under the slab right by the washer collection... but... that would involve more expenditure (permits, tracing the line, professional plumbers, etc) so the toilet drain will have to do for now.


Post# 288629 , Reply# 29   7/4/2008 at 13:31 (5,745 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Mike thanks for the

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nudie shots of your Miele I have been wanting to see the insides of one for ages. It looks like the panels bolt to a frame instead of the panels forming a cabinet? That is the same as the very first gyromatic by Bendix 1948 who I know Miele studied after the war to catch up.

Miele has a facsinating history, Paolo took me to their store here and they gave me their history book. Throughly good read!



Post# 288682 , Reply# 30   7/4/2008 at 18:30 (5,745 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

The panels do indeed bolt to the frame. Miele calls it SpaceFrame construction. The washer is very rugged.
It looks like you have your work cut out for you on that machine there. Ripped boot and all.


Post# 288683 , Reply# 31   7/4/2008 at 19:29 (5,745 days old) by the7 ()        

Miele 4800 seems to have cheap plastic rod dampers (shocks)!?


Post# 288748 , Reply# 32   7/5/2008 at 08:23 (5,744 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Oh Mike

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that poor Gyramatic was too far gone! The boot system is unlike anything I have ever seen and was unique to that model year so it was not salvageable and has gone to that great Dealership in the Sky over South Bend Ind.

You can't save everything. And you can't argue with crazy.




Post# 288749 , Reply# 33   7/5/2008 at 08:29 (5,744 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Oh thats too bad. I have a Frigidaire washer in my basement in Maine that still runs and eventually I will get rid of it..I had my fun with it but I am not one to chuck things out but the basement is getting full. I know what you mean.

Post# 288778 , Reply# 34   7/5/2008 at 11:59 (5,744 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Yes, mo' Miele. I'm just a boy that can't say no...

Brought home yesterday a 1926 washer and matching 1526 dryer. We loves us some Graigslist. Pics to come.


Post# 288906 , Reply# 35   7/6/2008 at 01:06 (5,744 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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1926: that's the "jumbo" Miele, isn't it? Deeper tub/drum, something like 2.1 cu ft (vs about 1.6 for the std size). Congrats, will be interested in the photos.

[Still waiting for the Neptune to die]




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