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Post# 286135   6/19/2008 at 20:45 (5,760 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Just saw the new Miele 4000 series washer at Expo. Beautiful machine BUT I have serious doubts about that honey comb drum!! Those holes are too small for a lot of grit and sand and how long will it take to extract water out of the clothes. I think those hole sizes between the honeycombs are a big boo-boo but the honey comb drum is a nice surface! And lint I would swear those holes will plug with lint never mind sand. See below quote "MILNOR's bigger cylinder perforations give: High wash quality (promotes intense interchange of wash solutions with goods). Thorough rinsing (promotes interchange of solutions and goods and lets water drain freely). Enhanced extraction (allows water to escape from goods easily, quickly)." |
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Post# 286194 , Reply# 3   6/20/2008 at 07:04 (5,760 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Jon, have not had any reports other than "FAB" with the Miele Honeycombs!!!the water along with lint & grit will find its way out by centrifugal force... AND for those NOt convinced...LOL..i`ve have a Servis Quartz from the 80`s with the original Spin-Care Drum, no holes just vanes and that extracted just fine, rather like the solid tub top loader & spinners Cheers, Mike |
Post# 286542 , Reply# 4   6/22/2008 at 14:28 (5,757 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 286687 , Reply# 5   6/23/2008 at 00:35 (5,757 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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In 2000, my washer died. I had planned on getting another Miele and so was really disappointed to read that the honeycomb drum was awful with pet hair (three cats and one dog, thank you very much). Talked to my old boss who sold them. His wife breeds cats, so I figured he'd know for sure. They were back to older Mieles in the kennel because the honeycomb just wasn't doing it. But that is irrelevant - today, you can order Mieles with the "old" drum pattern or the honeycomb. Not all models, but many. When this washer goes - I bought an LG which got the best ratings for pet hair - I'll pick up a Miele with the old pattern. Question: I've spun my silks and cashmere pullovers at 1200 for decades. Never had any problem with them at all. Do large holes really cause such damage? |
Post# 286701 , Reply# 6   6/23/2008 at 04:14 (5,757 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Milnor wash cycles do in about 30 minutes or so what Miele's "normal" does in about 45mins (or so). Milnor washing machines are commercial units built for no fuss,no muss laundry. Yes, some models can be programmed with all sorts of water levels, drum rotation speed combinations and so forth. A commercial or coin laundromat has requirements totally different from your typical Hausfrau or HausHerren. Remember Milnors like most other commercial washing machines do not mess around when it comes to draining and spinning. Water has to leave that tub ASAP or it is pretty darn bad, as the machine is going to spin; unlike many domestic units that dither about the matter unless every single parameter is correct. Do not think many if any commercial front loaders spin as fast nor have RMC levels as domestic washers. If items need to be spun really dry, there are extractors to do the job. Could be wrong, but wouldn't want to be near a 40lb capacity commercial front loader spinning at 1400rpms, unless it was WELL bolted into lots of concrete. Personally would love a nice domestic machine built along the lines of a Milnor. |
Post# 286703 , Reply# 8   6/23/2008 at 05:09 (5,757 days old) by nmaineman36 ()   |   | |
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here is a shot of the control panel |
Post# 286704 , Reply# 9   6/23/2008 at 05:10 (5,757 days old) by nmaineman36 ()   |   | |
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HoneyComb drum |
Post# 286741 , Reply# 10   6/23/2008 at 09:32 (5,757 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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I couldn't believe the price tags on those machines! And did you notice or maybe they fixed it, but when I was there, they had the tags REVERSED so that the dryer cost $2400. I'm glad you slammed the salesman! Robert and I were in Nebraska Appliance Mart a few years ago and we heard the same line about manufacturer's and how they all are the same. STUPID! We started by passing the run codes on their Bosch machine on the floor and sent it into high spin. The dodo salesman came running back over and started yelling at us how did we do that? you can't run the machine dry it will ruin the bearings. Again STUPID! We told him who we were and that he was spreading incorrect information -----ooooooooooo did he get pissed then! We told Greg we'd meet him out by the doors at that point! I almost went looking for the store manager! If you are going to sign yourself up for a job then you should learn that job. And learn your products! Good for you Mike! Nice machines BTW! |
Post# 286742 , Reply# 11   6/23/2008 at 09:34 (5,757 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 286823 , Reply# 15   6/23/2008 at 16:00 (5,756 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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According to some consumer magazine reports on the Miele honeycomb drum, the benefits aren't that spectacular, especially for the price. Aside from heavy cotton terry towels, and perhaps other heavy items like bath mats and succh there aren't that many items which require long fast final extractions. Woolens are fine with 1000 to 1200 rpms for a quick 30sec burst. Permanent Press and other fabrics wholly or partially made from man made fibers shouldn't be spun much if at all; and certianly not at speeds >1000 rpms. One supposes all this hype to save energy in the dryer has lead to the current trend of high spin extractions that last for ever, bascially spinning the heck out of items until almost every bit of water is extracted, then of course there is less work for a tumble dryer to do. However spinning items beyond a certian point in time does and or spin speed does not increase extraction that much, but can lead to fabric damage over time if done often enough. One finds for many items, including dress shirts, linens and so forth, using the "graduated spin" series then allowing items to drip dry on the lines gives much better results. Certianly cuts down on creasing, which means less ironing pour petite Moi. Miele isn't the first to come out with a wash tub with smaller drain holes. IIRC there was a UK washer from way back,which essentially had a solid inner tub, with small slits around the back of the drum for water to leave. Consider also small and or less holes means one is moving towards a soild tub design, which uses less water because not much water is held between the two tubs. This is what the Milnor quote above alludes to; more water between tubs means more water to slosh about and is lifted and poured over the laundry. Instead of relying on various systems to force water through the wash (which is how all front loaders clean), gravity does the work. Simple, no muss, no fuss. L. |
Post# 287328 , Reply# 16   6/25/2008 at 23:20 (5,754 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Went with a friend to the local laundromat to assist in doing some (ok, well lots( of bed linens that had piled up, much of which covered in cat hair, hence desire to use the commercial units. It struck me there that the large SQ washing machines got out much more pet hair than say my Miele, and the rather aggressive wash action coupled with large cylinder probably had much to do with it.
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