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Post# 294034 8/1/2008 at 15:12 (5,744 days old) by kenmoreguy64  (Charlotte, NC) |
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To all the Kenmore knowledgeables out there...please check out pic #23 at the farm. Has anyone ever seen a machine like this one? I have seen a great many Kenmores and I thought I was familiar with all of them from 1961 or 1962 forward, but this one is a new one for me. Has anyone had any experience with a model like this? Better yet, did anyone restore that machine? It looks like it may have been a nice canditate for it. Have a good weekend everyone! Gordon | ||
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Post# 294041 , Reply# 1 8/1/2008 at 15:38 (5,744 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 294091 , Reply# 3 8/1/2008 at 19:00 (5,744 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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James - I have a '64 model 70 in Coppertone in my trailer - if you saw that you are really sharp. It's been a very long time since I had my hands on that machine and it's in the back left corner of the trailer. I know it was built in 1964 but it very well could be a '63 model because it looks very much like the 63 70 in the owner's manual section. Since joining AW.org, I have put a good bit of energy into researching older Kenmores, and with the internet and Sears' online site, it's easier to do than it used to be. I have learned a lot, one of those things being that there were far more models than I ever realized. While looking up my Mom's 1961 70, I found that there were four distinct '61 70s. Three of those looked the same, the other is similar but I had never seen one. I noticed this happened in 1972 also while researching two 72 60-series I have (there were at least 5 60-series models that year including my white plastic top machine that survived a dumping at a Charlotte landfill, and 4 similar models with the control panel I've posted on here that I'd like to restore). I always knew that there were a bunch of models in the 70s and 80s - there were four 70 series in 1983-86 also - but I thought there were fewer in the 60s. Keeping that in mind, the machine in pic 23 is surely just part of the upper 70s or 800s family, possibly a model that didn't see a lot of distribution? I'd enjoy getting my hands on that washer (pic 23) now but I certainly have enough to mess with without it!!! | ||
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Post# 294099 , Reply# 4 8/1/2008 at 19:49 (5,744 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 294153 , Reply# 6 8/2/2008 at 05:05 (5,744 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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THANKS for the link James !!!
Those are 1962 models James. They could have been assembled in the later half of 1961, but they're '62 models. The model number of the washer most likely is 110.6204700, 62 being the year, 04 meaning 'automatic washer' (14 also means that) and the 700 being the series. 701, 702, etc. may be used at times to indicate engineering design alterations. There was also a 710 and a 720 - usually these differ as one will offer say a bleach dispenser, then the next step up has a self cleaning filter, etc. As best I can tell, my mom's machine was a 110.6114720, but you're right on, the machine in the link picture is very similar to hers other than the height of the panel. The machine I hadn't seen is 110.6104700, which has A,B,C,D, etc. buttons, four on each side of the timer like a 62 & 63 Lady K., but it has the 61's squat control panel that is discussed in the thread you linked. I had a chance (which I screwed up) to have a 62 machine just like the one in the link. It was at an appliance store that I frequented back in the later 90s (I'd say '96 or so) and it was PRISTINE. They'd robbed the trasmission, but it was otherwise fully complete and had very very little use. The pregnant Roto-Swirl was still shiny black. I don't know how long it takes to dull them, but there was hardly any signs of use and little or no detergent residue underneath the agitator. I wanted that machine so badly I ached, but the day I saw it I didn't have my washer dolly with me. Even with the trans missing it was too heavy for me to load, or at least I wasn't determined enough. Today I'd have just done it somehow. I went back for it a day later and it was gone. I still am sorry about that, 12 years later, but I did manage to save the agitator. That experience taught me - if you want something, get it while you can. What a neat looking machine though (IMHO). Thanks for the great link James, and for all the cool responses you've given me to my posts! | ||
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Post# 294277 , Reply# 9 8/3/2008 at 04:11 (5,743 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 294282 , Reply# 10 8/3/2008 at 06:35 (5,742 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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James / Kenny....
I did some research yesterday on Sears' site. I think I found the model number for pic 23 - it looks to be a 1963 800, or companion in the lineup to the ever popular '63 Lady K. Check out model 110.6314801. The best view is under 'top and console assembly'. A neat surprise is the flourescent light in the panel. My bet James, since this is a near top of the line machine, is that the dryer has a full-width door, unless that was reserved strictly for the Lady K back then (like you said). Thanks to Kenny, perhaps we'll find out soon. This machine is certainly either tied (in Sears' view) as top of the line or one notch from it. The Lady K's model number was only one digit different - 110.6304801, etc. What's odd to me is how common the Lady K was that year, as I think most Kenmore people here are familiar with that model, and I myself have seen more than a dozen probably and used several of them, yet I've never once even seen this machine, other than for that one pic on the farm. Also odd is how the owner's manual literature shows only some of the models that were offered in 1963. A lot of the popularity of a machine has to do with how often Sears put it on sale and when. In a more recent example, there were 4 70 series machines and 4 80 series models in the final BD lineup from 1983 (which survived in production into the late summer and fall of 1986). I bought one of the first 70 model, and I've seen or worked on an even half-dozen others, followed by an equal number of the second and third 70 series, yet I've never seen the fourth 70 series. I've also seen or worked on a bunch of the first 80 series, but I've never seen any of the rest. Each time I see an '83 80 I hope it's one of the others, but they always seem to turn out to be the 801 model. Each week I'd snag the Sears ad from the Sunday paper, and I'd see the 701, the 721, and the 801 advertised on sale frequently but seldom the others. In circulation even 22 years later seems to be the same machines. It would be fascinating to know if that's how the Sears marketing people intended for it to be, or if that's just how things worked out. | ||
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Post# 294317 , Reply# 11 8/3/2008 at 12:27 (5,742 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Neat info. Allen
My parents were married in 1960 also, and mom's first pair was the 1961 70 series that I've been trying to duplicate. I've had my lifetime of washing machine fun due nearly in total to that machine. Our success with it led to other family members purchasing Kenmores, and to my mom getting two more as well. Naturally I got one of my own when in college. I don't remember the first place where mom used her machines, but they were in Cincinnati, in a four-unit apartment building which had a common area basement for storage and laundry. Apparently it had a common stairway accessible from the garage area. In that basement each unit had a washer/dryer connection. Back then, it was one big room, no need to block off one tenant's space from everyone else. So, mom would do her laundry and talk with the other ladies using their machines. One she remembers as a Lady K of the same age or a year or two newer, another we think was a Frigidaire and maybe a GE. Would that not have been cool? I'd have been in washer nirvana. I asked her "what stopped someone from using your washer?" She said "nothing but common decency from the time". | ||
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Post# 294343 , Reply# 12 8/3/2008 at 16:16 (5,742 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 294344 , Reply# 13 8/3/2008 at 16:23 (5,742 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 294345 , Reply# 14 8/3/2008 at 16:24 (5,742 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Pic 23 | ||
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Post# 294471 , Reply# 17 8/4/2008 at 00:18 (5,742 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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More on pic 23
James & Kenny - I'll go for MOL, but I'm not convinced. Check out the panel closely it says "Self cleaning filter". Back then, many 70-series models didn't have this, and I think the 70s were a bit above middle line, no? Our '61 didn't have a self clean filter (though there was one model that did), the 62s didn't, and the 64 70 I have doesn't even have a scrubber cap let alone a self clean filter. This machine even has a filtering light. Add to that a bleach dispenser and infinite slide level switch (hidden behind the lid) and I think we have a pretty jazzy machine. Granted, not Lady K caliber, but it has everything the lady did that year except the pushbutton stops for the timer. The parts diagram shows a flourescent lamp in the console also. I'm thinking that perhaps the full-width dryer door was a Lady K thing only in 1963. Those full-width doors are a nice feature, however there are times when they can get in the way! | ||
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Post# 294529 , Reply# 18 8/4/2008 at 10:24 (5,741 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 294532 , Reply# 19 8/4/2008 at 10:47 (5,741 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 294573 , Reply# 21 8/4/2008 at 13:43 (5,741 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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James - I am pretty sure I have the machine pegged at Sears' website and it's an 80 series, by model number anyway. Strangely the panel doesn't say what series, not that I can see anyway, and so many did back then. The model I found has everything where it needs to be in the control panel to match pic 23. The way I look at Sears is to pull up a model number, then look at the control panel to see if the exploded drawing approximates what I'm looking for. If it does, then I go further and compare the agitators, filters, dispensers, etc. If not, I continue searching a model listing. It's funny how the Sears lineup evolved over the years. The 70 series in the 60s was full-featured pretty much, but didn't have the fancy touches that distinguised the Lady Ks. By the early 70s, even the 60-series machines were packed with stuff that often the 1960s 70-series didn't have. The match to our 1972 dryer had Pre-wash and Soak, a roto-swirl, and bleach & softener dispensers. Our 1974 machine, identical to BestCleaningWasher's gold machine, is a 60 series and had more stuff on it than most any 1960s 70 series. By the 80s, things had gone back to their roots so to speak, and my 70 model has no dispensers, no soak, and only 3 water levels. | ||
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Post# 294604 , Reply# 22 8/4/2008 at 15:16 (5,741 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 294801 , Reply# 24 8/5/2008 at 11:08 (5,740 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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What's weirdest to me James about the 1970s machines is how far away Kenmore seemed to stray for a while as to what had typically constitued a 60 or 600 series, a 70, etc. Our 1974 60 series had far far more options and cycles available, as well as supplemental stuff like a self clean filter, two dispensers, etc. as compared to our 60s 70-series that never offered these. By the later 70s Sears seemed to re-connect with their roots and had re-designed the line to be more appropriate with what used to be. That seemed to stick, and my 1986 70 is more or less equivalent with the 60s 70 models. | ||
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Post# 294806 , Reply# 25 8/5/2008 at 11:49 (5,740 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Junkyard Kenmo' | ||
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Post# 294807 , Reply# 26 8/5/2008 at 11:51 (5,740 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Tight fit! | ||
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Post# 294808 , Reply# 27 8/5/2008 at 12:47 (5,740 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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COOL!
Kenny - That machine is more than likely a 1961 sixty or seventy series. It's nearly identical to the one we had when I was a kid. I've not seen another like it since. The logo in the top left corner of the panel is a good indicator of the machine's age, as I haven't seen it on any Kenmores post 1961. That machine has the potential to be a fun restoration project !! | ||
| Post# 294811 , Reply# 28 8/5/2008 at 13:15 (5,740 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
That dryer looks easier to rescue than this Kenmore washer..
Hey Kenny, Remember this one?? Right behind the old house? At least the dryer is accessable to get out of there. This Kenmore was treebound.... This morning I ordered a new motor cap for the Monkey Norge you pulled out of this junkyard a couple years ago. Will get the other parts for it this week, and hope to have it done in within two weeks. <: 
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Post# 294873 , Reply# 29 8/5/2008 at 17:16 (5,740 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Rick, I think that washer is still there, they haven't made it that far in the cleanup. Remember, pictures of the Wards! Gordon, Rick is a veteran of this yard, he can attest to some of the treasures there. Anything a person could think of to collect, ol' Roy had at least one. And more like 2 or 3! They're in the process of cleaning it up, but the way they're going, it'll be years before it's cleared! | ||
| Post# 294938 , Reply# 30 8/5/2008 at 21:28 (5,740 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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Is that treebound washer a 1961 model? I vaguely remember seeing a dryer that may have matched that in somebody's collection which I believe was from that year. Have a good one, James | ||
| Post# 294944 , Reply# 31 8/5/2008 at 21:51 (5,740 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Junkyard Queens...
Hey Kenny, For the Monkey Norge, will have to take lots of pixs!! lol!! Yes, there is a lifetime of treasure in this yard, too bad that the stuff has sat outside for so long. But with lots of work, these machines can be restored. I have done it, and many others here have done it too. These are diamonds in the rough.... <: 
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| Post# 294947 , Reply# 32 8/5/2008 at 21:54 (5,740 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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56 km after | ||
| Post# 294948 , Reply# 33 8/5/2008 at 21:57 (5,740 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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| Post# 294950 , Reply# 34 8/5/2008 at 21:59 (5,740 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Front | ||
| Post# 294956 , Reply# 35 8/5/2008 at 22:07 (5,740 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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restored 56 mech. | ||
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Post# 295003 , Reply# 36 8/6/2008 at 02:29 (5,740 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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BEAUTIFUL!
That is a stunning re-do Rickr, just stunning. Very nice indeed. There is such a feeling of accomplishment when a project like that is complete, isn't there!? The first washer I ever saw outside was found in a field in 1975 approximately. I wasn't more than 10 years old. The top, cabinet and superstructure had been separated, but I managed to get the top and the cabinet brought back to the vacinity of the basic machine. It was hard to recognize as I had not seen the innards of a Kenmore or WP yet, and the agitator was gone. I'm thinking it was a model like yours or a Lady K, though the trim on the panel was white and blue. A home was built on that field a few years later, and I don't know what happened to the washer, but I think that is where my zeal to repair down-trodden machines got it's start. | ||
| Post# 295054 , Reply# 37 8/6/2008 at 10:48 (5,739 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Thanks Gordon, it was a fun restoration, because it needed everything. My mom had a 57 Kenmore 800, but I could not find a 57 model. The 56 and 57 models are very close in looks though. I would have either one, but I like the 56 better because the entire console lights up. I had the machine painted mint green as I thought the white cabinet was too much white with the white console. This model would look great in pink too! Here is a close up of the console. The chrome had to be replated, because a leaking car battery had sat on the console for years. Acid bath.... I am very happy with the way this machine turned out. It is one of my favourites. Hard work does pay off. <: 
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Post# 295147 , Reply# 38 8/6/2008 at 17:09 (5,739 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Wow that is a beautiful machine Rick. May I ask how you got the paint to stick to the porcelain? It looks original! Regarding the chrome - on the Lady K that I'm working on now, the chrome is very slightly pitted from being outside in the elements for several years probably. Is there a way to polish this out without totally re-doing it? I have never done a cosmetic restoration to that extent so I'm unsure. Have a great evening! G | ||
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Post# 295157 , Reply# 39 8/6/2008 at 18:04 (5,739 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 295160 , Reply# 40 8/6/2008 at 18:47 (5,739 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Post# 295162 , Reply# 42 8/6/2008 at 18:59 (5,739 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 295181 , Reply# 43 8/6/2008 at 20:30 (5,739 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Misc.
I agree as to the age of the Kenmore under the tree. Our were 61s and they had that same panel. Regarding the chrome Rick - I have already spent a good bit on this machine and it's not worth that in re-chroming, not at this point anyway. It's pretty shinny now, so if Brillo or steel wool helps improve it, that's all the better. I'll try it, thanks! Gordon | ||
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Post# 295192 , Reply# 44 8/6/2008 at 21:26 (5,739 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH) |
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Steel Wool.
Try some 0000 steel wool. There are different grades of the stuff and 0000 is the mildest and least likely to remove too much material and scratch. Also, get some "Nevr-Dull" wadding polish, it works wonders on chrome. I love that '56 Kenmore! Dave PS, If I were to repaint a machine I would make a Maytag A700 or A702 series machine high-gloss black! Can anyone make that gorgeous dream machine in Photoshop? | ||
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Post# 295225 , Reply# 45 8/7/2008 at 03:29 (5,739 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL) |
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Matching Dryer | ||
| Post# 295333 , Reply# 46 8/7/2008 at 16:17 (5,738 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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You have quite a few beauties Rich. All of them are good lookers. | ||
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Post# 295349 , Reply# 47 8/7/2008 at 18:18 (5,738 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL) |
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Thanks James | ||
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Post# 297210 , Reply# 48 8/16/2008 at 16:54 (5,729 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Paging Gordon
I've been by the junkyard a few times in the last couple of weeks, I haven't found anyone around to ask about the dryer. I'll keep trying. HOWEVER........(drumroll please) IO went to an estate sale Friday, and bought a washer and dryer. Newer Kenmore DD washer, which is all I really wanted. But it came with this Kenmore 600 series electric dryer, hated to break up the set! 
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Post# 297211 , Reply# 49 8/16/2008 at 16:57 (5,729 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 297212 , Reply# 50 8/16/2008 at 17:00 (5,729 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 297294 , Reply# 51 8/16/2008 at 20:59 (5,729 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Answering your page Kenny.....
Yeah man, I am interested in that dryer. VERY COOL! I would like to run across the matching washer one day too. I have seen a few of these dryers back in the day. One had a padlock device installed to hold the door shut - my friend's dad was proud of himself for that, but when I said "why didn't you just go to Sears and buy a new clip for the latch? It wouldn't cost more than a buck or two!" (This was in the 70s). I must have bruised his feelings because after that he never responded the same to me again.... Anyway, cool dryer! | ||
| Post# 297348 , Reply# 52 8/17/2008 at 01:45 (5,729 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA) | ||
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