Thread Number: 18070
Frigidaire TL'ers: Dumbing Down Gets Even...Dumberer |
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Post# 294206   8/2/2008 at 17:50 (5,716 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Spent time in an indie appliance store in Winona, MN on Wednesday. Noticed the TOL Frigidiare TL'er has been dumbed down even further than my 2006. Get this: The Automatic Temperature Control now works only on the hot water setting. I believe it dumbs down hot water to around 115-degrees. Which is not hot by anyone's standards. There is no longer ATC for warm or cold wash water, which sucks, especially if you live in Minnesota, where the water is ice cold 8 months out of the year. Sure glad I purchased mine before this update took place. Good God! What's next? |
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Post# 294211 , Reply# 1   8/2/2008 at 19:59 (5,716 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 294215 , Reply# 2   8/2/2008 at 20:28 (5,716 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 294233 , Reply# 3   8/2/2008 at 22:04 (5,716 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Nate I bet that Roger is going to get a laugh out of that one!! Sad to say but it probably isn't to far away. |
Post# 294235 , Reply# 4   8/2/2008 at 22:09 (5,716 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 294237 , Reply# 5   8/2/2008 at 22:19 (5,716 days old) by tuthill ()   |   | |
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Well it's not like you could get clean clothes in one of those things even if the water was 200 degrees.... |
Post# 294240 , Reply# 6   8/2/2008 at 22:43 (5,716 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Now, now, Jed... I get sparkling clean loads from the Frigidaire TL'er! The unfortunate thing about them is you need to achieve just the right ratio of water to clothes. Too much water and clothing drifts rather than rolling over; Too little water and rollover slows to a crawl. The tub is simply too big for the agitator. If one loads the tub to the third row of holes from the top (which is also the maximum programmed water level), it handles the load very well. Fill the tub to the top, there is a noticeable slowing of rollover, even if you add water to the top of the tub. Having said all that, I'd hate to see the results when someone who knows nothing about the machine crams it full of clothes, closes the lid and walks away. |
Post# 294257 , Reply# 7   8/2/2008 at 23:51 (5,716 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 294279 , Reply# 8   8/3/2008 at 05:58 (5,716 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 294283 , Reply# 9   8/3/2008 at 06:37 (5,716 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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I think he's saying the government ordered all companies to stop manufacturing Top-Load washers with agitators in 2012. |
Post# 294297 , Reply# 10   8/3/2008 at 11:16 (5,716 days old) by jonv112 ()   |   | |
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Damn I wish I could take advantage of my Asian-ness and read Chinese, but sadly I was raised in Canada :P |
Post# 294329 , Reply# 11   8/3/2008 at 13:45 (5,716 days old) by jeffg ()   |   | |
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> I think he's saying the government ordered all companies to stop manufacturing Top-Load washers with agitators in 2012. < Please tell us you're joking. |
Post# 294375 , Reply# 13   8/3/2008 at 18:28 (5,715 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 294394 , Reply# 14   8/3/2008 at 19:37 (5,715 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 294682 , Reply# 18   8/4/2008 at 19:46 (5,714 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 294684 , Reply# 19   8/4/2008 at 19:58 (5,714 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Basically the only way top loading washing machines are going to meet ever stricter government mandated energy requirements, is to either reduce the amount of hot water they take in, or find away to heat water themselves,thus not relying on house hot water supply. Some newer top loaders are decreasing the space between inner and outer tubs, to lower water usage, much like vintage solid tub machines. Others will have to do as above, and lower "hot" water temperatures down to what most would consider warm or lukewarm water. There simply won't be any room in the future, at least in the United States for domestic washing machines that use 15 or more gallons of hot water per wash cycle. Nope, they don't have a bit of use for em. Savvy and smart consumers are sticking with and or seeking out vintage washing machines, as word gets around, much like low flow toilets how bad the government fix was to a small problem. L. |
Post# 294689 , Reply# 20   8/4/2008 at 20:14 (5,714 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Low Water-Use Toilets: The pressure-flush models are fantastic; They do the job better than any high water-use golden oldie. It's the new gravity toilets that suck. That's where it all went wrong in Toiletville. Washers: When the price of water increases 10-20 times what it is now (and it will, kids; water will be the petroleum of the future), or when each house gets a set number of gallons of water per week before the mains automatically shut off (again, I firmly believe the youngsters at this site will see this occur in their lifetimes), then the LG front-loaders that can wash 20 pounds of laundry with 15 gallons of water will make much more sense. |
Post# 294690 , Reply# 21   8/4/2008 at 20:33 (5,714 days old) by tuthill ()   |   | |
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Great minds think alike! I have the same exact set up servicing my 806. From the sink... |
Post# 294691 , Reply# 22   8/4/2008 at 20:35 (5,714 days old) by tuthill ()   |   | |
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...to the machine! |
Post# 294692 , Reply# 23   8/4/2008 at 20:41 (5,714 days old) by tuthill ()   |   | |
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Gotta love the 806 and its warm rinse option... COMEPLETE ATC. And the fact that it's "semi-automatic" is comepletely no bother to me. I wouldn't dream of starting this machine and simply walking away!! |
Post# 294722 , Reply# 24   8/4/2008 at 23:02 (5,714 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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I have learned that the energy and resources used by an appliance should not be the only consideration. You must also consider the energy and resources required to produce the appliance/fixture, its reliability, its lifespan, and the difficulties and energy and resources required in its disposal. The most efficient appliance/fixture is worthless if it takes lots of energy and resources to produce, breaks frequently, is difficult or impossible to repair, and/or has a short useful life. In other words, I can deal with more water usage if it is extremely reliable for a long time. As a historic preservationist, I often deal with buildings. I will be the first to admit that many modern gravity toilets have some MAJOR shortcomings. They tend to suffer from a problem I call "C.F.S." "C.F.S." stands for Can't Flush S**t, literally or figuratively. I'll let y'all guess what the last word is. I hate the pressure-flush toilets because, compared to gravity toilets, they are expensive, mechanically complicated, failure prone, and loud. I also think that average building occupants should be able to attempt basic repair to toilets because they are so important and fail at the most inopportune times, particularly if you only have one of them. I think that a toilet should have the performance of a power-flush toilet, but the reliability and ease of repair of a gravity toilet. How is this possible? Just look to the past! A century ago, how did people increase the power of their flushes without mechanical assistance? They mounted the tank several feet above the bowl! Pipe is cheap, gravity is free, has no moving parts, and is quite reliable. In fact, if gravity does fail, flushing toilets will be the least of our concerns. Have a chuckle at some potty humor. If you can't win, at least smile, Dave |