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Post# 294439   8/3/2008 at 22:15 (5,737 days old) by cb526 ()        

Hey all! New member here. I've been perusing post after post here and I am thoroughly impressed. There's nowhere else like this board on the web to be sure (at least in English). On to the nitty gritty of my post...

I'm about to make my first major appliance purchase and I've narrowed my choices down to two sets and I'd greatly appreciate some guidance as to what I should get.

I am down to two sets:

This Maytag DD Washer and Dryer set for about $830 delivered out the door...

Maytag Washer: tinyurl.com/6za6rn...
Maytag Dryer: tinyurl.com/5au49x...

OR

This GE Profile set for around $915 delivered after rebates...

GE Profile Washer: tinyurl.com/5tm6vb...
GE Profile Dryer: tinyurl.com/5aekoh...

We're obviously looking for something reliable as we'd rather not be throwing more money at a washer/dryer in the near future and these two sets are at these prices is about all we can afford to spend at the present.

Any additional suggestions are most certainly welcome.

It's nice to have found such an apparently knowledgable community.

CHEERS!





Post# 294456 , Reply# 1   8/3/2008 at 23:04 (5,737 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I think you'd be fine with either set. The Maytag should be reliable, as it is basically a re-badged Whirlpool. GE's reliability has also improved recently.

Personally, I like the slower agitation stroke of the new GE's. But that pair is also almost $100 more than the Maytag set. Let us know what you decide!


Post# 294475 , Reply# 2   8/4/2008 at 00:46 (5,737 days old) by tuthill ()        

Get a front loader... all modern traditional top-loaders suck. But if I had to pick between the two I'd go with the Whirltags (just don't overload it or your clothes will never forgive you).

Post# 294483 , Reply# 3   8/4/2008 at 03:50 (5,737 days old) by jeffg ()        

> all modern traditional top-loaders suck

That's not true. Our new Speed Queen TL is faster, quieter and outcleans any that I or my parents ever had. But a set of them may run slightly more than what cb526 is looking to pay.


Post# 294506 , Reply# 4   8/4/2008 at 08:14 (5,737 days old) by mulls ()        
SQ TL

JeffG,does your SQ "dumb down"the water temps?Does it fill to the top?Are there spray rinses?

Post# 294514 , Reply# 5   8/4/2008 at 09:06 (5,736 days old) by cb526 ()        

I still haven't made my decision.

What's the general consensus on the Hydrowave?

Has the reliability of GEs improved over the horrors that I've read about with the old transmission?


Post# 294521 , Reply# 6   8/4/2008 at 09:24 (5,736 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hello

Go with a Front Loader. The top loaders are not the same as they were years ago. I have an LG which I really like. Take a look at consumer reports and use this as a guide line. The new top loaders washing ability has gone down hill.


Post# 294525 , Reply# 7   8/4/2008 at 10:03 (5,736 days old) by jeffg ()        

> JeffG,does your SQ "dumb down"the water temps?Does it fill to the top?Are there spray rinses? <

1. It provides whatever water temps are at your valves. No auto-adjustments.

2. Its highest water level on automatic is at the top row of tub holes. But you can raise it as high as you want by holding the water level dial to Reset.

3. That's one of the coolest things about it. It does have a spray rinse (about 30 seconds) as part of its normal cycles. But if you manually turn the dial to that same spot, you can make spin rinses last as long as you want, up to 4 minutes. I don't know if this was intentional design or just luck, but it's a feature we use all the time. Just yesterday we did a queen-size filled comforter, and before starting the wash cycle we gave it a 3 minute spin rinse to remove most of the air. The rollover during the wash and rinse cycles was amazing. Even though the Speed Queen's tub is smaller (3.3 cu. ft.), rollover was far, *far* better than in our former 4.0 cu. ft. Cabrio AGI. The comforter came out like new with not a spec of lint.


Post# 294554 , Reply# 8   8/4/2008 at 12:36 (5,736 days old) by cb526 ()        

To those suggesting front loaders only:

I would absolutely LOVE to have a front loader, but they aren't a realistic purchase for me at the present financially. Once everything is said and done, I don't think I could purchase a front loading pair for any less than twice what I will be paying here.

As I said, I would like nothing more than to get front loaders, but given this choice, what would you do?


Post# 294557 , Reply# 9   8/4/2008 at 12:50 (5,736 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Here's something very near your price range. I have this pair (mine are Frigidaire rather than Kenmore, and they have the rear control panel like a standard washer; otherwise they are the same machines.) Note: The machines are shown on pedestals, here. That would cost more, of course.

While not as cavernous as the newest designs, they will hold a load at least as large as either of the top-loader sets you're looking at.

I've seen the washer on sale (as a Frigidaire) for $549. Just a thought---something more to confuse your choice, LOL!


Post# 294558 , Reply# 10   8/4/2008 at 12:51 (5,736 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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And the matching dryer:

Post# 294559 , Reply# 11   8/4/2008 at 13:07 (5,736 days old) by jeffg ()        

Resale values for W/D's are next to nothing. If money was the overriding factor I'd take my chances on a second-hand set off Craigslist. Rather than spend $900 for something new (that's most likely bottom-of-the-line and/or junk), spend $300 or $400 (or maybe even less) on a good quality used set, either FL or TL. It's amazing the number of perfectly good (and often next to brand new) units that are let go for various reasons that have nothing to do with quality (home remodels, changes of decor, moving into new places that already have a W/D etc).

Post# 294601 , Reply# 12   8/4/2008 at 14:58 (5,736 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Save money and get a better washer.

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The best balance of cost to quality and performance may be a used Maytag top loader. Go to a thrift store (I especially like Habitat for Humanity Re-Stores) and find a late-model Maytag Dependable Care. They all have porcelain wash tubs, not stainless steel. They are more gentile on clothes than Whirlpool direct drives, they are extremely reliable, and they are all used now so they are also relatively cheap. A used Maytag Dependable Care would likely outlast many new washers, and it will do it for a fraction of the cost.

Think outside the Big-Box, and good luck,
Dave


Post# 294641 , Reply# 13   8/4/2008 at 17:05 (5,736 days old) by maytagmightyjj ()        
Be careful with that Maytag

That Maytag will beat the devil out of your clothes-- I have the model above that one (MTW5807-- same as MTW5800 except mine has Gold styling). Mine has a terrible seam in the Stainless tub that I am fighting with Whirlpool right now to get replaced. The model you are looking at has a porcelin waskbasket so you will be ok in that regard. But these washers use short very fast agitation except when on gentle-- On the other cycles they Slow down to gentle speed on the last 6 minutes-- but there is really nothing Gentle about them.

I had a Maytag I bought in 1996-- very good machine- I may ask the lady I gave it too -- to let me have it back.


Post# 294694 , Reply# 14   8/4/2008 at 20:44 (5,736 days old) by mihi ()        
I go with this thought for you.....

I too think you should find an older Maytag, one maybe 8 or 10 years old, and go with it. The washers are about $100 or so and the dryer about the same. Actually, getting a more modern dryer, even a new one, isn't a bad idea so that you can get the moisture sensor (I got our Kenmore new for $369 or so with the moisture sensing feature, it has been great).

If you want to go new, the sets you're thinking about sound like good ones. I like the Fisher-Paykel too, they're going for about $450 for the bottom model for the washer which we think is a great machine. They're pretty efficient and really spin the cloths out well to extract moisture prior to putting into a dryer.
Personally, I'd choose the F-P over a front-load machine, or horizontal-axis machine which is what a front-loader is.

I really like the sound of the GE hydrowave, hope it turns out to be reliable. If it does I might want to pick one up someday.
Good luck.


Post# 294720 , Reply# 15   8/4/2008 at 22:27 (5,736 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Moister sensing feature on dryers have been around for over 40 years, so there's no reason to purchase a brand new dryer solely for that option. My 1964 Maytag DE-750 is still very accurate about shutting down at the right time. Occasionally I will pull a shirt or 2 out where the collar is ever-so slightly damp, but it's completely dry in less than 10 minutes after being on a hanger.

Post# 294757 , Reply# 16   8/5/2008 at 06:45 (5,736 days old) by mihi ()        
there are two different types of moisture sensing.....

There are two different types of moisture sensing devices on dryers. The older type not being as good as the newer much more accurate sensor. I'd have to dig back into more detailed info. to further explain, but check it out and you will see that this is the case. So basically, you can buy an older dryer but you won't have the latest moisture sensor in it as you will with the newer and better designs.

Post# 294758 , Reply# 17   8/5/2008 at 06:49 (5,736 days old) by mihi ()        
here is some more moisture sensor info.....

The best dryer moisture sensor is an electronic design that is mounted inside the drum. This moisture sensor actually contacts the clothes to accurately determine their moisture level. There are several effective designs, but one particularly effective design measures the electrical resistance through the clothes to the dryer drum. As moisture is removed from the clothes, the resistance increases for a precise dryness level.

Simpler, less expensive "automatic" moisture sensors are less accurate because they often determine the dryness of the clothes in an indirect way. For example, some just measure the exhaust air temperature to estimate the dryness of the clothes. As the clothes become drier, the exhaust air temperature increases. Regardless of the type of moisture sensor you choose, select a model with many settings to vary the dryness depending on the fabric type.



Post# 294893 , Reply# 18   8/5/2008 at 19:19 (5,735 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
IMO Get the SQ's!

Steel parts vs plastic.
3 year warranty.
American made.
Good cleaning and drying. (Washer has 710 rpm spin).


Post# 294907 , Reply# 19   8/5/2008 at 20:09 (5,735 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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I'd go for a set of newer model Mah55/6500 and Mde/Mdg5500 (elect or gas) Neptunes. The later models already came with the updates including the motor&control upgrade among other things. You can find them used for a good price.

RCD


Post# 294909 , Reply# 20   8/5/2008 at 20:10 (5,735 days old) by mihi ()        
if it were my bucks.....

I'd definitely get the Speed Queen or F-P over the two originally mentioned. Just my preference I guess.

Post# 295035 , Reply# 21   8/6/2008 at 09:31 (5,734 days old) by cb526 ()        
An update.

I don't think that geting a used model is something that will fly here, although I personally wouldn't mind.

I've looked into the FPs and what concerns me is that I see some complaints about spilling (as well as a general lack of people available to service them). The spilling is an issue for me as we're in an apartment with wood flooring in the laundry area.

If we were to get the FPs, the ONLY model washer we could afford would be the one in the link, the EcoSmart WA37TG1.

I have the GE Profile Hydrowaves on order but haven't taken delivery yet, so I'm not committed quite yet.

Thoughts?


CLICK HERE TO GO TO cb526's LINK


Post# 295040 , Reply# 22   8/6/2008 at 09:51 (5,734 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
Model that i would recomend that you buy

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hello

here are the specp for the maytag washer and matching dryer hope this helps you

Good luck


Maytag Laveuse 3,2 pi3 à chargement sur le dessus
263 637 822


Information sur la marque
Voyez d'autres produits Maytag

Tableau de commande: Blanc

Coffrage: Blanc

Numéro de Sears 263 637 822

Numéro du fabricant MTW5807TQ



Veuillez préciser une quantité entre 1 et 99.

Sears Prix Ordinaire: 749,99 $





Caractéristiques
Important : Les grandeurs indiquées sont approximatives. Toujours mesurer la marchandise réelle avant de faire des plans définitifs et du découpage.

Caractéristiques Générales
Capacité Super
Capacité (pieds cubes) 3.20
Largeur de l'appareil (pouces) 27.0
Hauteur de l'appareil (pouces) 44.0
Profondeur de l'appareil (pouces) 27.0
Verrouillage de sûreté (porte, couvercle) Non
Consommation min. d'eau (gallons impér. ) 11
Consommation max. d'eau (gallons impér.) 42
Fini coffrage/dessus Acier émaillé
Matériau cuve extérieure Polypropylène
Matériau cuve de lavage Acier inoxydable
Insonorisation Qualité supérieure
Cote Energuide (kWh/an) 419
Certifié Energy Star Non
Système de lavage
Système d'entraînement de la laveuse Entraînement par courroie
Sorte d'agitateur Dual-Action
Commutateur vitesse 4 choix
Cycle énergique/durée accrue Oui
Cycle(s) courant(s) Courant, sans repassage
Autre(s) cycle(s) d'entretien des tissus Délicat, à laver main
Cycles spéciaux Trempage
Option rinçage supplémentaire Manuel
Réglage automatique de température Oui
Réglages température lavage-rinçage 4 1 réglage auto
Réglages du niveau d'eau 5
Filtre Autonettoyant
Distributeur de javellisant Distribution minuté auto
Distributeur de détergent Non
Distributeur d'assouplissant Oui
Avertisseur fin de cycle Interrupteur marche-arrêt
Nombre de vitesses du moteur 1/2 hp (2 vitesses)
Tableau de commandes
Sorte de commandes Rotatives
Mise en marche différée max. (heures) 0
Matériau Plastique
Minuteur mise en marche différée Non
Voyants de marche Oui





Informations sur la garantie
Pièces main-d'oeuvre
Garantie générale 1 an 1 an
Corrosion du coffrage 1 an 1 an
Moteur 1 an 1 an
Système d'entraînement, transmission 1 an 1 an
Panier de lavage 1 an 1 an
Cuve extérieure 1 an 1 an

dryer spec

Maytag Sécheuse électrique 7 pi3 de super capacité
263 677 822


Information sur la marque
Voyez d'autres produits Maytag

Tableau de commande: Blanc

Coffrage: Blanc

Numéro de Sears 263 677 822

Numéro du fabricant YMED5707TQ



Veuillez préciser une quantité entre 1 et 99.

Sears Prix Ordinaire: 549,99 $





Caractéristiques
Important : Les grandeurs indiquées sont approximatives. Toujours mesurer la marchandise réelle avant de faire des plans définitifs et du découpage.

Caractéristiques Générales
Capacité Super
Capacité (pieds cubes) 7.00
Largeur de l'appareil (pouces) 29.0
Hauteur de l'appareil (pouces) 44.0
Profondeur de l'appareil (pouces) 28.5
Sorte de porte Non réversible à ouverture latérale
Puissance (W) 4750
Puissance nécessaire (V) 240
Éclairage du tambour Oui
Grille de séchage Non
Fini coffrage/dessus Acier émaillé
Matériau du tambour Acier enduit de peinture
Type d'évacuation 4 façons
Filtre En façade
Insonorisation Haute qualité
Cote Energuide (kWh/an) 950
Certifié Energy Star Non
Système de séchage
Nombre de cycles 6
Système de séchage automatique Capteur d'humidité
Option séchage réglable Non
Capteur d'humidité Oui
Séchage minuté avec chaleur Oui
Séchage minuté sans chaleur Non
Cycle normal pour tissus courants Oui
Cycle sans repassage Oui
Cycle délicat Oui
Cycle séchage humide Oui
Cycle anti-froissage Non
Cycle défroissage Non
Nombre de réglages de température 4
2 réglages de température Non
Avertisseur fin de cycle Interrupteur marche-arrêt
Averisseur filtre à charpie Non
Nombre de vitesses du moteur 1/3 hp
Grille de séchage Aucune
Tableau de commandes
Matériau Plastique
Commandes Boutons manuels





Informations sur la garantie
Pièces main-d'oeuvre
Garantie générale 1 an 1 an
Tambour de sécheuse 1 an 1 an
Corrosion du coffrage 1 an 1 an

Translation

Maytag 3.2 cu. ft. Top Load Washer
263 637 822


See brand information
See more products by Maytag

Control Panel: White

Cabinet: White

Sears number 263 637 822

Mfg. number MTW5807TQ



Please specify the quantity between 1 and 99

Sears Regular Price: $749.99





Features
Important: Sizes quoted are approximate. Always measure the actual merchandise before making final plans and cutouts.

General Features
Capacity Super
Capacity (cu. ft.) 3.20
Product Width (In.) 27.0
Product Height (In.) 44.0
Product Depth (In.) 27.0
Safety Door/Lid Lock No
Minimum Water Usage (Imp. gal.) 11
Maximum Water Usage (Imp. gal.) 42
Cabinet/Top Finish Porcelain on Steel
Outer Tub Material Polypropylene
Wash Basket Material Stainless Steel
Sound Reduction Package Best
Energuide Rating (kWh/Year) 419
Energy Star Qualified No
Wash System
Washer Drive System Belt Gear Drive
Agitator Type Dual/Double Action
Speed Switch 4 Selections
Heavy Duty/Extended Time Cycle Yes
Standard Cycle(s) Normal and Permanent Press
Other Fabric Care Cycle(s) Delicate and Hand Wash
Specialty Cycles Soak
Extra Rinse Option Manual
Auto Temperature Control Yes
Wash Rinse Temperature Options 4 Automatic Temperature Control
Water Level Options 5
Filter Self Clean
Bleach Dispenser Auto Timed Release
Detergent Dispenser No
Fabric Softener Dispenser Yes
End of Cycle Signal On/Off Switch
Motor Speed (hp) 1/2 HP (2 Speed)
Control Panel
Type of Controls Manual-Rotary
Maximum Delay Time (hr.) 0
Material Plastic
Delay Start Timer No
Operating Indicator Lights Yes





Warranty Information
Parts Labour
General Warranty 1 Year 1 Year
Cabinet Rust Through 1 Year 1 Year
Motor 1 Year 1 Year
Drive System/Transmission 1 Year 1 Year
Wash Basket 1 Year 1 Year
Outertub 1 Year 1 Year

Maytag 7.0 cu. ft. Super Capacity Electric Dryer
263 677 822


See brand information
See more products by Maytag

Control Panel: White

Cabinet: White

Sears number 263 677 822

Mfg. number YMED5707TQ



Please specify the quantity between 1 and 99

Sears Regular Price: $549.99





Features
Important: Sizes quoted are approximate. Always measure the actual merchandise before making final plans and cutouts.

General Features
Capacity Super
Capacity (cu. ft.) 7.00
Product Width (In.) 29.0
Product Height (In.) 44.0
Product Depth (In.) 28.5
Door Type Non Reversible Side Swing
Wattage (W) 4750
Power Requirements (V) 240
Drum Light Yes
Clothes Rack/Bar No
Cabinet/Top Finish Porcelain on Steel
Drum Material Painted Steel
Venting Options 4 Way
Filter Front Mounted
Sound Reduction Package Better
Energuide Rating (kWh/Year) 950
Energy Star Qualified No
Drying System
Number of Options (Cycles) 6
Auto Drying System Moisture Sensor (Better)
Adjustable Dryer Option No
Moisture Monitor Yes
Timed Heat Yes
Timed Air No
Regular/Normal Cycle Yes
Permanent Press Cycle Yes
Delicate Cycle Yes
Damp Dry Cycle Yes
Wrinkle Prevention Cycle No
Wrinkle Release Cycle No
Number of Temperature Options 4
2 Temperature Staged Drying No
End of Cycle Signal On/Off Switch
Lint Signal No
Motor Speed (hp) 1/3 HP
Dry Rack None
Control Panel
Material Plastic
Controls Manual Knobs





Warranty Information
Parts Labour
General Warranty 1 Year 1 Year
Dryer Drum 1 Year 1 Year
Cabinet Rust Through 1 Year 1 Year

Good luck


Post# 295041 , Reply# 23   8/6/2008 at 09:54 (5,734 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I think you'll be fine with the Hydrowaves. GE's dryers have a nice, big drum, too. One of our members, Jamie (Pulsator), bought a Hydrowave recently, and his reviews of it have been good.

It's heresy to say this around here, but unless you are willing to deal with locating parts and---depending on how old a machine you get---servicing it yourself, a new machine is probably the way to go. I agree that vintage machines were built for the long haul compared to new, plastic model; but for many people, getting a new washer is the more practical choice.

While I think modern front-loaders are better than modern top-loaders, if you are on the third floor of a building with wood floors, a front-loader may cause too much vibration and shaking, anyway. Getting a top-loader may be your only option.

Let us know how things work out with your Hydrowave washer. We love to read reviews!



Post# 295108 , Reply# 24   8/6/2008 at 14:33 (5,734 days old) by cb526 ()        

Dang it. Now I'm really torn between the F&P and the Hydrowave.

LOL

HEEEEEEEEEELP!


Post# 295344 , Reply# 25   8/7/2008 at 18:04 (5,733 days old) by cb526 ()        

Well, I'm going to go with and take delivery on the Hydrowave set.

I'll be adding a repairmaster five year extended warranty to hedge my bet.


Post# 295345 , Reply# 26   8/7/2008 at 18:06 (5,733 days old) by cb526 ()        

I really want to go with the fisher paykels but I've read too many just out of warranty horror stories to feel confident in purchasing them.

Post# 295378 , Reply# 27   8/7/2008 at 20:46 (5,733 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Consumer Reports reliability ratings show that Fisher/Paykel are more repair-prone than Whirlpool/GE/Frigidaire top-loaders. Glenn (Dadoes), however, has had two F/P washers and never experienced a problem with them. It's really the luck of the draw.

Hope you like your Hydrowaves---especially since I've been the one nudging you in that direction, LOL. Let us know what you think of them once they're installed.


Post# 295495 , Reply# 28   8/8/2008 at 12:38 (5,732 days old) by cb526 ()        
Thanks, Frigilux!

I'm just happy that we'll have a washer and dryer in the apartment.

I never realized what a relatively stressful situation simply buying appliances could be.

Hopefully I grow to love these machines.


Post# 295513 , Reply# 29   8/8/2008 at 15:59 (5,732 days old) by ptcruiser51 (Boynton Beach, FL)        
A little late to the gate

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The customers I've sold HydroWaves to are happy with them. Very quiet machines - usually you just hear the water sloshing around. Yours should come with a DVD, watch it. It 'splains (as R. Ricardo would say) that after the machine fills, it pauses and you'll hear clicking. If you lift the lid it re-sets and starts clicking again. This is just the cycle advancing, if you keep lifting the lid it will keep resetting. Be patient and machine will start. GE may have modified this by now, my factory rep said they got a number of repair calls for this.

The sensor dryers sometimes have trouble with "mixed" loads, like if you wash tees with towels. Tees will be dry but towels wet, or towels will be dry and tees fried. Try to wash similar stuff and you'll be fine.

Happy laundry days ahead!


Post# 295646 , Reply# 30   8/9/2008 at 11:22 (5,731 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

The Frigidaire 2140 has a large 3.5 cu ft capacity but stays on the standard 27 x 27 inch footprint. Larger washers get the extra capacity by being deeper, which may not work in closet installations or in laundry rooms with tight clearances.

Best Buy usually has it on sale for mid-500s, OR they will raise the price to 600 but give you 100 dollars off if you buy a dryer too. This week the pair would cost you 1000 for electric dryer, 1069 for gas dryer. This pair can be stacked ($25 bracket from Frigidaire) to save space if you like.

Sometimes Best Buy lowers the price down to 549 for the washer but eliminates the 100 dollars off for buying a pair, which would be beneficial to someone buying only a washer. Lowes also carries this machine

www.lowes.com/lowes/lknQUESTIONMA...

and sometimes puts it on sale. Currently going for 548. The matching dryer is 499

www.lowes.com/lowes/lknQUESTIONMA...

and remember you may not get any rebates with a TL, so do your homework before making a purchase. The rebates may place a FL pair within your reach.

Frigidaire makes stacked combos with gas or electric

www.lowes.com/lowes/lknQUESTIONMA...

but these cost more than buying separate machines.

I have had my 2940 for two and a half years. Great cleaning, quiet operation. Depending on where you live, you may receive rebates from the water district or gas utility (in my case, $100 water rebate, $35 gas utility rebate). Will cut your water use by about 60-65%. Because the clothes are drier after final spin that in a TL, drying times are reduced and this will result in lower gas and/or electric bills. If someone in my area (SoCal) needed a new pair, after the rebates the net price would be 865 for electric, 934 for gas.


Post# 295649 , Reply# 31   8/9/2008 at 12:07 (5,731 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
Front Loaders...

...are the WORST choice that you could make. They are very unreliable, NO ONE wants to fix them, and they don't wash well....which is why it can take three to four times LONGER to complete a cycle, compared to a top loader. Go get yourself a set of Speed Queen top loaders. Mark

Post# 295652 , Reply# 32   8/9/2008 at 12:20 (5,731 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

Um...in his original post, he stated that his budget was $800-900 maximum. Are Speed Queens all that inexpensive? People who recommended FLs here were trying to point out that some moderately priced machines may be more affordable (if bought on sale and if rebates are offered) than he realized.

Yes, FLs take longer to wash a cycle, because they involve multiple rinses with low volumes of water. But they also rinse the clothes very clean, leaving far less soap residue than my old TLs used to leave. They also use far less water, which in some areas (California, where I live) is important, since we have to conserve water. Water use may not be an issue in Virginia , but it is here. Conversely, A/C operating costs may be an issue in VA but not in coastal CA, where no one on my street even has A/C, nor do they need it.


Post# 295655 , Reply# 33   8/9/2008 at 12:37 (5,731 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I don´t have any problem with my american FL.
Actually my affinity saves water, detergent and electricity.
I can wash bigger loads than in a standard top loader, they come out cleaner and much better rinsed.

I recommend High Efficiency Front Loaders from Electrolux (frigidaire) or Whirlpool (Maytag, Amana, KA, etc...)
All of them has their positive and negative points. you just need to choose the model you like and the model you can afford.
Other tip I can do is... hear your feelings.

You can be at the store, in love for brand A, but you decide to buy the brand B because a friend told you... You'll never be 100% satisfied.
Buy the washer YOU like!



Post# 295672 , Reply# 34   8/9/2008 at 15:03 (5,731 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
just seems logical....

.... to buy a machine that can be fixed. SQ machines are the same design used for about 25 or more years. I've never had good results with a front load machine. They don't wash well, they take FOREVER, and who fixes them when they break down?....and they wrinkle everything up terribly. Use a little more water and get your clothes CLEAN! Mark

Post# 301196 , Reply# 35   9/3/2008 at 17:10 (5,706 days old) by xyz ()        

CB, if you aren't confused enough by now, may I suggest just washing your clothes in the bathtub or better yet showering with them on and walking them air dry.lol. No, just go Kenmore basic.

Post# 301205 , Reply# 36   9/3/2008 at 17:52 (5,706 days old) by electron800 ()        
There's nothing wrong with front loaders or top loaders!

They both can wash well, rinse well and be equally as reliable. It just depends on which one you get as to how good it is.

Personally I couldnt deal with a 1 rinse top loader. I prefer my clothes not to be full of detergent residue thank you =]

If top loaders are so much better how come front loaders have always been more popular in Europe, even before the eco-freaks started dictating what we're allowed to do?

A front loader with a heater will wash perfectly, I've never used one without, we don't have them here. This is the only reason I can think of as to why American's seem to have problems with their front loaders.

If you wanna be eco-friendly, don't bother chucking your top loaders for front loaders, or wash in cold water. Just ditch the drier for a washing line and a drying rack. Dryers are about the most energy hungry appliances in the house and they're totally unecessary!

People "washing" their clothes in cold water in their modern front loaders whilst their dryers are rumbling away beside it and their A/C is running at the same time really are fooling themselves into thinking they're helping the environment.


Post# 301290 , Reply# 37   9/3/2008 at 22:08 (5,706 days old) by fredfred9633 ()        

i hace a kenmore washer and dryer and ther work great
dont let its size fool you it can fit ALOT
it uses very little water and gets the clothes clean it would make a great first washer and dryer
it will last a long time


Post# 301388 , Reply# 38   9/4/2008 at 12:23 (5,705 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        
fwiw...

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My parents just replaced a direct drive kenmore, 8 years old and not worth fixing, with a nice MOL Speed Queen unit. We have a damp basement where the machine is to live and wanted something mechanical and overbuilt, not electronic. The new machine doesn't have a ton of features, is as dull as dirt to watch but its rock solid and does a great job. I wouldn't be surprised it if it lives for 20 years. Closest thing on the market to the center-dial maytags, from what I've seen. Cost a little more than the kenmore it replaced, but not much.

In your place, I would buy a new Speed Queen washer and grab a basic dryer off craigslist. Kenmore dryers are usually easy to find and dirt cheap.


Post# 301397 , Reply# 39   9/4/2008 at 12:57 (5,705 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        
i am with ric

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Speed queen. You will never regret it. When I was looking for a machine, i soon found that there are things that weigh into my choice. How much did I spend on all of the clothes that I am going to wash in it. I ran my finger over the holes in the GE ten years ago. I would stay away from them. The rebadged Whiltag in lou of a S.Q. I think that you would be happier with it truthfully, Call them and see what they can do for you........800-345-5649

Post# 301461 , Reply# 40   9/4/2008 at 17:17 (5,705 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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I have the G.E. Harmony Washer and I love it.You can do anything with that machine.I like how it saves water most of the time but you can hit the Throw-rug setting and it fills up all the way and really cool to watch it has a see-through window perfect for us folks.We first had a Front load G.E. and hated it there is not enough water to wash and you cant do nothing about it.To give a example when in wash mode when it would stop and reverse there would be no water dripping.The clothes were wet but thats about it.The longest wash was 3+ hours and still I couldnt get out the smell out of my gym clothes.The Harmony has no agitator it has a plate on the bottom and the steel basket has bumps and they go back and forth then it will do a slight spin to pull water through the clothes.It outwashes the Frontloader on the shortwash 40Mins and there clean at that than the other at 3.5 hours.I lost my leg and Im back in college and live back home so this is my Moms washer I would much rather have a Jet-cone but that Harmony is a Great washer so far and it is used twice a day and never had one thing go wrong with it but it is $$$$..

Post# 301676 , Reply# 41   9/5/2008 at 15:38 (5,704 days old) by laundramatt (Youngstown, Ohio)        

Just got a Speed Queen MOL washer for $560.00 and we love it. OUr '95 Maytag's tub seal was leaking and I wasn't impressed enough with the Maytag to save it.

You can't go wrong with a Speed Queen. The Fisher/Paykel was our 2nd choice, but the difference in capacity seemed too big. The F/P was the older agitator style.

I'm glad to see toploaders that are larger capacity, with plenty of water, and slower agitators that won't shred clothing, are still available. And I'm glad the Maytag died before the environmental wackos and the federal government took all of my choices away from me.



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