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Post# 295107 , Reply# 4   8/6/2008 at 14:30 (5,712 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Hi Yes, why not, you can mix underware with normal washing. I wash white underwear with whites and coloured with coloured.It's a habit! LOL i've got 6 people in my household so i know about how much laundry to be done, plus i have two extra peoples to do as for the past 3 months my grans having extension done so there washing is done at mine too. |
Post# 295113 , Reply# 5   8/6/2008 at 14:56 (5,712 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )   |   | |
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Personally I never really see the need to go above 60*c anymore, esspecially since weve had the Miele because it dosnt let the temperature drop during the cycle at all. Alot of bacteria can be killed at 60c and the longer holding time of the water in the wash cycle helps this too. I tend to wash kitchen linen and towels seperatly on a Cottons 60c cycle, however every few washes I put them on a 75*c Cottons wash. For coloured washing, and time saving I'd say use the Cottons 40c programme with the short option, this proves to give good results whilst not fading coloured washing too much as the temperature is low :) If your worried about bacteria e.t.c maybe you should wash all underwear together and use the Hygiene programme By the way, we have the same washer LOL! Richard |
Post# 295123 , Reply# 7   8/6/2008 at 15:21 (5,712 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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To correct the wrongful information given in this thread. Bacteria is simply NOT killed NOR reduced in anyway at temperatures below 75*c. We all make a fuss of cooking chicken well which means it reaches a temperature of more than 75degs but it seems some folk see no harm in washing toilet cleaning cloths at temps below 75 degrees. Something I dont get??? Bacteria thrive in temperatures between 8*c and 63*c. This is what is known as the "Danger Zone" although the multiplication process of bacteria is at its strongest around 30/40 degrees. Bacteria need 4 things to survive and multiply, Food Moisture Heat Time This is why when you wash towels below 75*c they smell musty when used and they are damp. The food comes from our bodies, moisture as we dry ourselves, time as we leave them hanging in the bathroom or crumpled in the basket and the temperature will mostly be right for them to breed at room temp. Of course the detergents mostly incorporate some kind of bacteria reducing action (my thought is that it reduces amounts of the food they need which slows down the breeding process) but heat generally is the only way we can reduce - (we cannot fully remove bacteria activity though) without resorting to other harsher chemicals and extreme heat/autoclaving. Tumble drying will not remove bacteria either as it only heats to around 50/60 dges or so thus not providing an environment out of the "danger zone". I would continue to wash at temperatures you feel comfortable in doing so - what you need to remember though we cannot be 100% sterile so just concentrate on the areas it matters such as cleaning cloths, bedding and towels. These textiles are great at spreading illness causing bacteria as people dont realise just how vile it can be sharing these. We wouldnt swap used underwear but some of us seem to not mind sharing bed linen or grabbing the nearest cloth when we spill something - its usually the cloth we have just used to wipe raw chicken juice up with ewww! Rob |
Post# 295146 , Reply# 9   8/6/2008 at 16:54 (5,712 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 295259 , Reply# 15   8/7/2008 at 09:33 (5,712 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()   |   | |
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Seems the other side fo the ponds washes whites cooler than we do and darks warmer than we do. |
Post# 295268 , Reply# 16   8/7/2008 at 10:28 (5,711 days old) by mrx ()   |   | |
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If your clothes still have odours after a 40C wash you're not using a good detergent or you're not using enough of it. |
Post# 295319 , Reply# 18   8/7/2008 at 14:59 (5,711 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 295335 , Reply# 20   8/7/2008 at 16:38 (5,711 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Well. I've been doing my bit, My colours and darks i alternate between 30 and 40, dependant on soil level. I've used the cool wash on my Crappoint as its slightly longer. I still do towels and bedding on 60, Not changing that one! Whites get 40 i've done them on 30 with okay results, but i still feel 40 is necessary. I'm also tryin not to use the dryer, so hanging everything on hangers and clothes airers! Though i do stick towels in for a quick blast in the dryer as i can't stand stiff towels! I think once our baby comes along in december 40degrees+ maybe needed more often! Hotpoint42: I would love to see a pic of your hotpoint if you have one!!!!!!!! Darren |
Post# 295476 , Reply# 30   8/8/2008 at 09:14 (5,711 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I use front loaders since 1980 and I´ve never had any problem with mold. The "guilty" for the mold isn´t the machine, but the stupid user that keep the door closed when it´s not in use and never do a sanitization cycle. |
Post# 295478 , Reply# 32   8/8/2008 at 10:12 (5,710 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 295544 , Reply# 35   8/8/2008 at 18:49 (5,710 days old) by jeffg ()   |   | |
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FL washers use far less water/detergent and are cheaper to operate. That's why most commercial laundries use them. Not because they clean as well as TL's. And you didn't answer my question. What TL's did you test? |
Post# 295554 , Reply# 37   8/8/2008 at 19:57 (5,710 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Thank God there are people like you, that preffers top loaders. Create a top loader is much easier than a front loader. |
Post# 295555 , Reply# 38   8/8/2008 at 20:02 (5,710 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Whirlpool AMERICAN Toploader Rated G for wash results on a scale of A - C, A being highest G lowest due to NO internal water heater which supports a longer contact time with detergent at the right temperature, a really diluted down detergent solution (due to 5/6 times more water used) and less agitation due to said water and cushioning of fabrics in the More than needed water consumption. Zanussi Jetsystem rated A for wash - lower water consumption and better agitation. I tend to just walk on by when such folk have attitude problems. FL's DO clean far superior than TL's but sadly some folk dont understand why. Best leave em to it :) |
Post# 295570 , Reply# 42   8/8/2008 at 22:04 (5,710 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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take a look at your MSN. |
Post# 295573 , Reply# 43   8/8/2008 at 22:07 (5,710 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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try to use a HE FL an let it drain the wash and first spin before the first rinse in a bucket or other kind of container. You'll see how much water it uses. and you'll see they don't use so less water you think. |
Post# 295731 , Reply# 50   8/9/2008 at 22:14 (5,709 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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That simply is not a wholly true, nor accurate statement. Various bacteria, viruses, "germs", and so forth are affected at different temperatures. E. Coli, the most common germ found on laundry can be killed at temperatures of 160F held for 10 to 20 minutes. However there are so many factors affecting laundry practice that even if the laundry is done according to this method it still would have sizable colonies of E coli and other germs living. Like washing one's hands or even hard surfaces, the purpose is more to sanitise than disenfect. The former is the process of reducing germ levels to a point where they are not likely to cause disease, the latter is totally eliminating (or near to as possible), all germs, bacteria, moulds etc. Good laundry practices involve five parameters: water quality, mechanical action,temperature, chemicals, and heat. Mechanical action, combined with proper chemical levels and heat (which activates chemicals), by and large will produce laundry that is sanitary for most purposes. Germs and such simply are removed from laundry and transferred to the wash and rinse water, where they are flushed away down the drain. True the germs are still living, but that doesn't matter for our purposes. The above is why various posters, have stated so often that in tests done in their commercial laundries, temps of 120F to 125F were perfectly fine for clean and sanitary laundry. Telling is the fact that when machines are over loaded, remaining bacteria levels increased. One can assume from this that because of over loading the required mechanical,chemcial and other actions could not reach proper levels. What is more grime,filth and germs were not able to be rinsed away from laundry. As things go, thermal disenfection is not the most accurate way, as there are too many variables and too many germs to account for. There are many chemicals that can and will disenfect in cool or cold temperatures, including chlorine bleach. Problem with chlorine bleach is one either must reduce germ levels prior to adding, or titre the level of product to soil levels, amoung other things. This is why commercial laundries use chlorine bleach as a different cycle. In "olden days" the only time laundry was sent to the boiling pots before being soaked, and or otherwise cleaned first, is if it came from a known infected source. Indeed have several vintage laundry manuals from the 1920's or so through the 1950's, in several languages, that clearly tell housewives, laundresses and such that boiling of laundry went out when washing machines came in. Boiling and or hot water washing is hard on textiles. It was back in the days, and is still true today. Persons compensated in the old days for all that boiling, beating and such by buying mainly pure linen and or other heavy and sturdy things which could withstand harsh laundry treatment. Even then housewives and such bemoaned the wearing out of their laundry from commercial laundries and or overly aggressive laundry workers. One should also keep in mind, the mania for boiling and or doing laundry in very hot or at least hot water grew out of a period of time when the best defence against disease was not getting sick. While slowing people began to associate filth with germs and disease, there wasn't much anyone could do about infections until modern antibiotics came on the scene after WWII. Until then the best one could hope for was that one's own body's immune system would fight off the infection. Housewives, mothers, nurses, and the lot got their marching orders, and the war on filth began. Everything was scrubbed, hosed down, boiled, bleached (with chlorine bleach), and so forth in the effort to protect one's charges from disease. Aside from such infectious diseases such as smallpox, there is little to fear from not having boiled one's laundry to death. |
Post# 295762 , Reply# 52   8/10/2008 at 05:16 (5,709 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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You do realise that BOTH tubs go round and round, thus at some point all surfaces, except the outer part of the outer drum, come into contact with water. Top loading washing machines are not by any means some sort of paragon to cleanliness. Ask any repair person who has pulled machines apart to show you what is lurking beneath agitators and between tubs. Take a look also at the high water line and or above the high water mark beneath the rim of the inner tub as well. |
Post# 295765 , Reply# 53   8/10/2008 at 05:37 (5,709 days old) by jeffg ()   |   | |
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Well, after 40+ years I'm still waiting to run into a TL with a mold problem. I can however point you to countless posts from FL owners, asking why their clothes smell so bad. |
Post# 295775 , Reply# 55   8/10/2008 at 07:35 (5,709 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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The answer is very simple... ventilation, my dear, ventilation! Inside a top loader you can see a gap between the drum and the lid. This small gap is enough to ventilate and dry the drum between wash days. Front loaders are hermetic. I own front loaders since the 80's. I growed with a front and a top loader at home. My mom always kept the door open and we NEVER had probems with mould or smells. |
Post# 295777 , Reply# 57   8/10/2008 at 07:36 (5,709 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()   |   | |
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oh Thomas we think alike! LOL |
Post# 295781 , Reply# 58   8/10/2008 at 08:02 (5,709 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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yes, we posted at same time... |
Post# 295838 , Reply# 60   8/10/2008 at 14:43 (5,708 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 295857 , Reply# 61   8/10/2008 at 18:01 (5,708 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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hello here is my tip regroup into a single wash pile all of your hot water wash load and wash those toghter but the rest of your clothes wash them using cold water this might help you reduce your bill and for rinse water use a cold water rinse and when its nice and sunny hang your clothe to dry outside and use the dryer when its raining or late at night? Hope this helps you |
Post# 295965 , Reply# 63   8/11/2008 at 07:07 (5,708 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Woooooooooow Affinity is not my project!!! I just helped to create 2 of it´s programs... All the other parts were designed by other team. |
Post# 295966 , Reply# 64   8/11/2008 at 07:08 (5,708 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Please take a look at your messenger. |
Post# 296351 , Reply# 65   8/13/2008 at 01:51 (5,706 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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Wow what a thread! Over here in the UK since the introduction of the new green religion, washing machine manufacturers have had to deal with making machines more efficient, which is not a bad thing in itself. Also consummers are generally using lower temperatures to wash cloths in and of course the machines are using pathetically small amounts of water to do this. Whilst I am on this the adverts for "turn to 30" from Aerial are a joke as they forget to mention the evil chemicals in the powder that will also destroy the enviroment Constant washing in low temperatures (30-50 degrees) does not get rid of grease and fat........this just builds up in the machine and eventually you end up with black goo and a rotten smell in the machines. A service wash (90 degree) will help get rid of this, but an even easier option and very cheap too is to use a table spoon of washing soda with each wash, this is a very strong degreasant that is as old as the hills your gran would have used it . It is safe for all types of fabrics and is cheap as chips, it also softens water, it is one the best kept secrets in the washing world that i know of I have old front loaders that wash in realistic amounts of water and wash in a fraction of the time my modern Bosch front loader does with excellent results. The Bosch manages the same providing it is used with "aqua plus" and "wash plus" but of course it takes over 2 hours to complete a 40 degree cottons wash, where as the old front loaders take 55 minutes to do the same. This green religion is a worrying and dangerous trend even though our goverment are spending billions trying indoctrinate this nation fortunately people in this country are waking up to the fact that it is a political scam Right thats my advice on washing and my opinion on all this green crap Gary |
Post# 296492 , Reply# 66   8/13/2008 at 15:33 (5,705 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)   |   | |
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Maytag Neptune front loader. Have forgotten laundry in there for 3 days opened the door smelled just like it had finished the cycle. I never leave the door open. Never a mold or smell issue in 9 years now. Maybe the luck of the draw and I got a good one. |
Post# 299913 , Reply# 69   8/28/2008 at 19:12 (5,690 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)   |   | |
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I have a Miele and see no harm in using the higher temps. I have a load going at this moment that would be equal to 75 (170). There is just no way to get them clean any other way. Maybe use the shorter program, although, I do not have my machine even hooked up to the water heater, that does save as far as that goes. My machine has a heater, it only heats what it needs, and leaves the rest for other things. I have never believed in using chemicals like bleach. That is really bad for your clothes, for you if you ingest it, and for you machine, especially the rubber gasket. I had to replace that once, and trust me, that is not cheap. I would say go with your gut. I use shorter program times with things that are not as dirty, and longer when it requires. Most of my clothes, I usually try to keep it at: for dark colors 105 f (30) and for whites, 140 or (60). Don't forget that the soap is there as well to help in your crusade against germs. Washing a full load is the first thing. My Miele is quite intelligent. Sometimes I will pic a program time, and it will shorten it and in some cases with the rinse, make it longer. Don't sweat it! :)
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