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Post# 300062 8/29/2008 at 14:49 (5,717 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes Well my temporary purchase of a Baumatic BOL machine is really starting to annoy me, it has decided to only do two rinses on the cotton cycles and as these only fill the drum up with about 3ins of water its not much use. I have to reset the machine for extra rinses ( 3 rinses, no intermediate spin and 800 final spin ) and then reset for another final spin ( default at 800 for some reason ). Laundry is ( god strike me down! ) becoming a chore!! BTW all other programmes only do two rinses as well, apart the baby cycle which does 4 warm rinses but is no use for coloured or dark clothes as it washes at 50 deg. Anyway, I am in the process of looking for a new machine.....and Iam driving myself crazy! It has to be something that will keep me amused for years to come because I don't think my partner could stand me grumping about another machine!! Ideally I would love a miele but the model I want is 64cm deep and would stick out too much. Iam considering the 1600 spin zanussi essential or Jetsystem.......or an LG 1200 as we had one in our last house and I loved using it. My questions are, really, does a Jetsystem make that much differance to the wash? Does anyone have experiance of Smeg washing machines? Does anyone have any other suggestions for a quiet ( we have open plan kitchen / living space ) machines that don't cost the earth but are sturdy and have interesting wash options that I will not get bored of? I know its a tall order guys but please help me not to get sectioned trying to decide!! ( BTW my partner wants an Indesit Moon...have told him as a second machine maybe but as a daily driver over my dead body....I like wasting hours watching my washing get clean!)

Post# 300081 , Reply# 1 8/29/2008 at 16:29 (5,717 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Hey* I would get a miele if you could afford one, I have a zanussi Jetsystem and its nearly 7 years old (2001) in october, its an XC model, it washes things really well and its fun to watch and it hasn't broken down as of yet.

Post# 300088 , Reply# 2 8/29/2008 at 17:01 (5,717 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)
Checkrate/Likes I'd suggest a Maytag (i.e. Asko) if you want a front loader - stylish, exceptionally well built (better even than Miele imho). Have a look at the UK website and see what you think - link below. You could get the v.v.v. expensive 2000rpm, though I'd go for the 9602 at about �700 - better value I'd say...worth a look! CLICK HERE TO GO TO liberator1509's LINK

Post# 300192 , Reply# 3 8/30/2008 at 07:18 (5,717 days old) by robm (Buxted)
Checkrate/Likes *The Jetsystem* Hi Paul I can definately recommend the Jetsystem. I'm not sure if the Jetsystem does make any real difference but it does seem to help and the wash is fantastic! You can also add extra rinses and the levels aren't too low. I love this machine because It's fun with so many different programs It's very quiet, look at the vid, that's a 1600 spin It has a nice big drum Of course we can all be unlucky but this does seem to work really well for me. I would have liked the Miele too but this was �340, add �500 to that for the equivilent in Miele! All the best and good luck Rob CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK

Post# 300253 , Reply# 4 8/30/2008 at 13:57 (5,716 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes Thanks for the advice guys. I would love a Miele but they are too deep and would stick out too far into the kitchen. I think Iam probably going to go with the Zanussi Essential 1600 as cost is also an issue. Won't be getting it for another few weeks anyway as my partner and I are having a civil partnership so will have to wait until that is past. A least it gives me more time to trawl the internet and visit the electrical retailers ( yeah!!!! ). Will keep you all posted.

Post# 300287 , Reply# 5 8/30/2008 at 16:41 (5,716 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes Oh Paul, you and I are so in the same boat! Even down to the partner starting to get grumpy about procrastination. Unfortunately, since last week when I last posted, my tumble dryer has also gone which makes it even more complicated as I want to buy a matching set! I had decided on the Zanussi Esssential 1600 ZWF16281, but unfortunatley it is out of stock with the manufacturer until 26 September which is too long to wait. The other 1600 - ZWF16581 - the one which Rob has - is still available and is a great choice but I'm not keen on `jetsystem' personally so probably won't choose this one. Any other Zannussi 1600 you have will be a brush motor model and although probably a decent machine will make a dickens of a racket at top speed,I'll bet. So probably not a great idea if you want quiet. The other issue with Zanussi for me is that I need a vented dryer to match and only the current condensor dryers match the washers. So, let me give you my short list...in order of probability.... 1) I recently used a brand new Bosch Classixx washer and dryer on holiday and just loved them both ....so I'll probably get these. 2) There is a `fully loaded', great value Electrolux `Inspire' dryer on the market for about �230. I think is the best value dryer around right now and has nothing but good consumer reviews, Which were impressed etc etc.... I may get that with the Electrolux `Inspire' 16581 (1600 invertor) to match. The washer can be around for around �380 I think but I have no experience of this range of machines so it would be a bit of a gamble. I don't like the look of the washing machine either but I'm trying not to be swayed by that. 3) The Zanusi 16581 and `matching' TOL vented dryer which doesn't really match at all. Infact the Zanussi 16581 and Electrolux dryer is no worse of a match and may be a nice set to have. They're the same make really anyway, both say `Electrolux' on them and they have the same dial, silver buttons..... So you're thinking of an LG? I'm selling my LG 1200 on Ebay. Link is below, incase you might be interested. Will be quite frank with you about what I like about it and what I don't like, why I'm selling it etc if you'd like to know. Good luck with the decision! Oh, BTW, I had an integrated SMEG in 2003 badged as Hotpoint and loathed it. I am very hard to please with washers though as I guess most of us on this site are. Cheers Nick

Post# 300339 , Reply# 6 8/31/2008 at 00:33 (5,716 days old) by westtexman (Lubbock, Texas)
Checkrate/Likes *Selling the LG?* Hey Nick! Long time no see! I'm curious as to why you're selling your LG? What did you like about it, and what didn't you like about it? Bryan

Post# 300344 , Reply# 7 8/31/2008 at 01:27 (5,716 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes Hello Bryan I hope that you are keeping well. I brought up the issue of the LG as OP said he was considering buying one. Of course I will describe what I like and what I don't like about the LG 8kg/4kg washer dryer. I wonder if your experience compares to mine, and if you are happy with yours or not? OK.. LIKE - Fairly quiet motor - The dryer part of the `washer dryer' is superb, I have never liked any washer dryers previously. However, the laundry does still come out smelling like burning rubber - AFAIK all washer dryers do this because of the door seal? - You cannot get this machine to sudslock. It is SUPERB about spinning off a shedload of suds. - The spin cycle is very efficient and it is a smooth machine DON'T LIKE (in order) (1) Very fussy about balancing. The first time I used it I nearly wept. I ran a 40 degrees synthetics cycle with a mattress protector. Admittedly a tough load to balance, but the old Zanussi would have coped fine. Anyway, the wash portion took 20 minutes, it then took 40 minutes trying to balance for spin then aborted and went to rinse. I just thought `This ain't gonna work out!' When it does balance, often if the load is slightly off centre you hear `chuga chuga' from the suspension as it starts to spin and sometimes it knocks. I am reduced to using `no spin' for most cycles to save time, and then just resetting for a spin afterwards. Therefore I have to use Rinse + (or even Rinse ++ LOL) as the spin rinses are omitted. (2) If you use tablets or powder via the dispenser drawer they are not washed down toroughly and sometimes when you open the drawer bits of detergent mixed with water cascade down the front of the machine - really annoying. The old Persil tablets (dosed via the net) get stuck on the door seal in this machine. So detergent choice (if you're a perfectionist like me) is limited. Not that I'm too bothered about Persil non bio tabs any more BTW, they changed the scent and I think the new scent is vile. Smells like musty old cupboards. (3) It has a sort of recirculating system like a jetsystem, but it uses the main drain pump to achieve this, I think it just spins it the other way. It cycles on and off (every 10 seconds or so) throughout the cycle and the noise constantly going on and off drives me insane. (4) You never see any water. Not on any cycle. Only on a cottons boil (95) wash does the water come above the door rim for about 1 minute, to cool the wash water before it drains. I believe this is so as not to crack plastic drainage pipework (5)The quick wash is rubbish and even though you can supposedly select 40, sometimes the machine just ignores you and washes cold. (6) The cottons rinsing is rubbish to the extent that I never ever use the cottons cycle. IT uses less water to rinse than it does to wash. Sometimes the water doesn't come through the tub perforations at the bottom, there is literally enough to soak the clothes and work the spray thing. Grr. So when the pump comes on after a rinse it is literally sucking air after about three seconds, you just hear one `glug' of water go down the sink. (7) It doesn't have a 50 wash (8)Sometimes it looks like it struggles to turn (though I've seen other LGs do this so I don't think mine is at fault) and makes a horrid sort of metallic noise. It also frequently sort of `whines' as it tumbles as if something is rubbing. Again, I have seen other LGs do this and I think it's a characteristic, I just don't like it. (9)I just don't like the fact that it's a washer dryer, I'm gonna get seperates. (9) I like appliances to be matching and wouldn't buy other LG products for the kitchen. I don't think you can even get an LG dryer. (10) I can't turn off that bloody cuckoo thing at the end of the cycle, and if there is a no spin condition the cuckoo bleeps at double speed and it just makes me want to stick my head in the blender. (11) I have found LG service to be extremely rude, poor and unhelpul. They are not a company, at least in this part of the UK, that I want to have to deal with again. I needed to deal with them as the blue flap over the FS compartment was delivered faulty, so the drawer just pulled right out. They said this was `cosmetic damage' and refused to help or send someone. I had to fix it myself. I could go on... but I think it's fair to say my LG experience has not been positive and I'm ready to move on. Take care all Nick Sorry if this post is poorly written, I'm trying to get two children ready for a day out and haven't time to check it. I'm also waiting for the LG to spin the bath mats so we could be a while. Who says guys can't multi-task ;-)

Post# 300357 , Reply# 8 8/31/2008 at 04:39 (5,716 days old) by robm (Buxted)
Checkrate/Likes Hi all Paul - Please be aware that the Zanussi may stick out, you might want to check this first, they are quite deep. Nick - Remember that the Inspire is also Jetsystem, only it goes by another name. Also the Zanussi and I imagine Inspire have a beep at the end. Reevoo customers have moaned about this. I must admit, I too think the Inspire's have an ugliness about them. I personally think the Bosch may be for you as you've already tried and tested it! LG - My nan has similar problems with balancing on her LG. She used to have a square door Bendix from 82ish so the fussy overlong programes of the LG get on her nerves. It appears the makes for over long balancing are Samsung - Apparently awful Merloni/Indesit Co - Darren will testify LG Here is some details, starting with the Essential CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK

Post# 300358 , Reply# 9 8/31/2008 at 04:43 (5,716 days old) by robm (Buxted)
Checkrate/Likes *Inspire* Here is the Electolux version. CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK

Post# 300359 , Reply# 10 8/31/2008 at 04:45 (5,716 days old) by robm (Buxted)
Checkrate/Likes Finally LG CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK

Post# 300360 , Reply# 11 8/31/2008 at 05:09 (5,716 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes Nick long time no speak!, The LG sounds particularly similar to the samsung i had. A waste of material and a hinderence on my hobby! The only thing was mine had senstive programmes so i never used the standard cycles it would fill 3 inches up the door for the rinse without tumbling but it would not refill throughout the rinse even if it was really absorbant!!! Not to mention 20minutes to balance a full load for every ****ing spin. I hated that machine, shame cause i loved the look of it. The one thing i DID like was the paddles as they were angled and had a great rain action that really did pour alot of water out of them! Think your best off without your LG! lol! The current bosches! are good! I've used my bros classix 1200rpm, he got it a couple of years ago when they first came out! It was between that and the zanussi ZWF1621. I always use aqua plus on it when i use it, so you get 5 seal level rinses on cottons! with fast interms. the wash action is good, the programmes are really reasonable! The only thing is the motor is a little whiney, especially on spin! Good choice though! I personally like the Electrolux machines, before i recently left my trainee manager postion at euronics, i plugged the TOL insight model in and ran it on a spin! It was lovely and quiet and their was plenty of power in the motor, just like Robs new zanussi....speaking of which! Hey Rob! Hope your well matey! Love your new zanussi, i can't wait to see some wash and rinse action from it when you get chance! I would recommend the zanussi's, the only thing with the more basic ones is they are just that, no countdown which is a bit annoying, no progress indicators which is reeeally annoying. Apart from that thought they're great! Hmmm Yes don't get me started on my hotpoint!! I've been making my way through our babie boys clothes and blankets ready for his arrival, i did a jam packed 7kg load of blankets and with the pathetic "redistribution" it does it kept bundling everything up! Real pain. Its making a bloody racket though, Hopefully Mr Hotpoint will condem it on weds! I've got the week off to go round washer shops and play with my collection:D Hope everyones well:) Darren

Post# 300362 , Reply# 12 8/31/2008 at 05:43 (5,716 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes *Nick* Well you have convinced me against the LG! I had one a few years ago when they first brought out the DD system and loved it but it didn't have the jet feature. I had wondered if that is why its now stated to be 54 decibels when washing, the same as some of the brush motor Zanussi's. Rob, the Zanussi should be ok depth wise, anything over 60cm deep would stick out too much.I do quite like the Electrolux machines, they had a TOL Time manager 8kg machine in comet last week for �286, discontinued model, also a discontinued miele for �430 but I was totally skint!!! GRR. Went back on pay day and both machines had gone. Darren, you have my sympathies re: the Hotpoint. I had an Aquarius 1400 washer dryer and it was awful. So poorly made, the cabinet had dented whilst i was pushing it into place after cleaning one day, it was noisy as all hell and as for the balancing!!! Well you will know what I mean!

Post# 300372 , Reply# 13 8/31/2008 at 08:47 (5,716 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes Hello About LG's, yeah but the machine which my gran has seems to balance in the first two attempts unless you've put one item like a towel etc it will need 5 to 6 attempts but it's always quick, and by the way the lg in the pic which robm gave is not direct drive.

Post# 300538 , Reply# 14 8/31/2008 at 23:55 (5,715 days old) by westtexman (Lubbock, Texas)
Checkrate/Likes Nick, I can see why you are frustrated with your machine! I didn't realize it was a washer/dryer combo. I don't think I could go for one of those. I have had my LG's for a couple of years now, and have been very happy with them. When I first bought them, my plan was to pair the stacked LG washer and dryer next to the Fisher & Paykel washer and have both washers hooked up at the same time. I never bothered to hook up the F&P, however, because I didn't believe that the drain pipe could handle both machines at the same time, since it is rather small. Just today, however, I finally brought the F&P in from the garage and was able to hook both machines up to work at the same time! I'm doing a load of whites in the LG and a load of towels in the F&P while I write this. Here is what I like and dislike about the LG washer: LIKES: 1. Large Capacity. This machine will hold quite a lot, and actually get them clean at the same time. 2. Excellent cleaning. I am very pleased with the performance of this machine. My whites always come out very white, and there is rarely a stain I can't shift with this machine along with high quality detergent! 3. Sanitary cycle. As you know, not all machines here in the US come with an internal heater. This machine does, and it works very well. 4. Style. It looks great in my utility room, which is adjacent to the kitchen (it's really almost a part of the kitchen, so it needs to look nice). 5. Recirculation. This option is not found on many front-loaders in the US, and I feel it improves cleaning performance. (Though I wish it were more like the one you had on the old Zanussi). DISLIKES: 1. Heater. It only comes on during the sanitary cycle, or when the "Stain" feature is selected. Therefore the only temperature I can get is hot, or very hot when the heater is used. It does not work on warm temperatures, nor does it do a profile wash unless you want a hot water wash. 2. Low water level. Though it seems to rinse okay, the water level is very low unless I use the Permanent Press or Delicate cycles. Even with the Water Plus option, the water level is not very high at all on the Sanitary or Cottons cycle. 3. Price. Looking back, I could have purchased a Miele 1215 pair for about the same price, which I'm sure I would have enjoyed much more. All in all, I'm very happy with my purchase and I wouldn't trade them in for a while. Though I would love to find an old Miele (220V), the size of these machines fit my utility room better than the Miele's would. Now that the F&P is hooked up again, it's like having the best of both worlds! After some comparison cleaning, I do believe that the LG FL cleans much better than the F&P top loader, though the clothes come out much softer in the F&P after only 2 rinses than they do in the LG with four. I suppose when used at the same time, though, I've got a great laundry room! BTW, which detergent do you prefer now that Persil Non-Bio tablets have gone bad? Bryan

Post# 300541 , Reply# 15 12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,838 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Bryan, I'm pleased with your machines and it looks like LG in the US are basically different machines to the UK ones from your description, unless I just got a lemon. Re: Detergent...I did a test a few months ago with tablet detergents which is my preferred format. I tried 4 detergents.... (1) Ariel Bio Liquid Capsules (2) Ariel Bio Tablets (3) Persil Bio Gel Tabs (4) Tesco Bio 2 in 1 Tabs. I tried (1) because Which? rated it No1 `tablet or capsule' detergent. It didn't perform well enough on the range of stains my children throw out due to the lack of bleach. But it is good as a liquid and has a nice scent IMO. Number (2) came second in the Which Tests. My own testing provd that I think this is a pretty average detergent. It doesn't rinse clean and the `white sock' test ( (c) Lavamat Jon) was a little disappointing. Number (3) cleaned well and performed brilliantly on the `white sock' test. But I find them slow to disolve and have had enough of using the dosing net, scooping it off the door seal mid cycle etc. Number (4) was the suprise winner! When hanging out the white not only was I amazed at the `white sock' test, but nearly tripped over my basket when I noticed that it had also removed months worth of yellow suntain stains from Luke's vests. Same cycle, same variables.... I didn't actually want this one to be the winner. I'm not unspired by the scent, but I couldn't argue with the results. Furthermore it is about half the price of branded stuff. It is dosed via the drawer. It clean rinses. It leaves things a little softer than with regular detergent but I throw in some Surcare softener if I need antistatic. This is entirely phophated detergent, there are no zeolites at all. This detergent is no longer made by McBride as most store detergents traditionally were. It's made by Persan in Spain who apparently (I don't know much about it) make the premium detergent in Spain. This is obviously a budget version, but it seems it has some of the good stuff in! There are three scents. The yellow sunshine one is a lemon scent, uses about 100 fake perfumes to achieve this and though I like it, find it a little sneezy. The blue `ocean clear' only uses three synthetic scents and while not being all that great, thankfully doesn't last and blows away on the line. So prefer this. Haven't tried the third scent `Lavender' yet. Leafing through some washer instruction booklets recently, I am fascinated to note that manufacturers such as Hoover are saying `Cloudy final rinse water is not an indicator of poor rinsing' and same re `specks left on dark clothing'....I can't help but wonder if zeolites are the culprit. So that's where I am with detergents right now. Anyway, once again I've hijacked the thread, so back to Paul C and the new washing machine dilemma! I am now considering buying a nearly new Bosch Classix from ebay..... Nick

Post# 301556 , Reply# 16 9/5/2008 at 07:58 (5,711 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes *Trawl* Well, I have been trawling appliance sites one the net, watching loads of youtube vids of washing machines and I think I might go for an Aqualtis. Sainsburys online have the 1200 spin model for �289. I actually prefer the styling to the Zanussi ( would look nicer in the kitchen ).

Post# 301563 , Reply# 17 9/5/2008 at 08:19 (5,711 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes *Aqualtis* Having spoken with my repairman when he was round on wednesday, the only major issue with the aqualtis is if their is a motor fault it blows the module, and he'd only encountered one with knackered bearings. The only thing i will say is the Out of balance sensor may drive you to destraction. Me. I want to get rid of my current hotpoint and get a WM hotpoint. Or something along those lines. Darren

Post# 301572 , Reply# 18 9/5/2008 at 09:05 (5,711 days old) by robm (Buxted)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Paul Well, I guess you may have seem my Aqualtis and Zanussi vids (plug, plug, plug LOL)! I have no issues with the Aqualtis, other than, the pump can vibrate (but they may have repaired this), it does have a rather fussy out of balance and lastly the 1200 does not tell you how long it has to go until the end of the program. On the plus side, it's fairly stable, has a great look and some interesting programs, is quiet and does take a large load (bigger than the Zanussi). It is also cheap compared to some of it's rivals, namely Hoover. Having had the Zanussi, I prefer it, but then it's early days. The Zanussi has a much better distribution and isn't too fussy. But then the Aqualtis opens the door as soon as you stop it (Zanussi waits and has an annoying buzz at the end). Let me know what you decide and the best of luck. Rob

Post# 301573 , Reply# 19 9/5/2008 at 09:06 (5,711 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes Rob! Check your hotmail!!!!!!:D D

Post# 301618 , Reply# 20 9/5/2008 at 12:23 (5,711 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes Thanks Rob. Yeah I watched your Aqualtis and Zanussi videos and am pretty sure I will go for the Aqualtis...will keep you all posted, if anyone else has any other machines they might recommend I would be pleased to hear from you. I did see a Gorenje machine in black in our local independant electrical shop but it was �400 and I was not sure how their after service is. Anyway, would just like to say thanks again to everyone who has given advice, much appreciated.

Post# 301638 , Reply# 21 9/5/2008 at 13:25 (5,710 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes Paul, what I'm about to say will probably reinforce your decision! Based on Rob's video of the Zanussi, I had decided to go for that machine. (Thanks for those BTW Rob :-) I just loved that distribution rinse! I'm easily bought. But now the ZWF16581 is out of stock with Zanussi, so good luck sourcing it anywhere, even the online retailer with the Green `In Stock' tick grrr. So that's probably the decision made for you, if you're in a rush for it. I took the plunge and ordered a Bosch washer and dryer from Kitchen Science online, who are a very nice company to deal with. I hope I'll be pleased with them, but I know the washer noise will be an issue. Sticking my nose out here, I don't think that a Gorenge would be a good use of �400, even if it is black ;-) Cheers Nick

Post# 301716 , Reply# 22 9/5/2008 at 18:02 (5,710 days old) by dj-gabriele ()
Checkrate/Likes *SMEG* I love SMEG, my grandma has one bought last year and it is a great performer, most of all it rinses with real water and clothes are always perfect... that's a basic model, sorry I can't tell you the name right now. Also my mother had one in the earl 90s but it broke in a house moveas it tipped over in the street when it was unloaded from the truck. If you want to know, they (my parents) have an all SMEG kitchen and no single falult has developed since 1979, only the fridge was changed for an A+ energy bigger model. Personally I love this model, and I'm pushing mother to get the washer-dryer combo of this, but in white because we hate stainless steel. CLICK HERE TO GO TO dj-gabriele's LINK

Post# 301717 , Reply# 23 9/5/2008 at 18:05 (5,710 days old) by dj-gabriele ()
Checkrate/Likes Oh, btw, I've seen that they offer 5 years (parts AND labour) of warranty if you get the washer/dryer. CLICK HERE TO GO TO dj-gabriele's LINK

Post# 301725 , Reply# 24 9/5/2008 at 19:02 (5,710 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)
Checkrate/Likes *NickUK: Re: Cloudy rinse water* Zeolites are the culprit; they don't dissolve, leaving a chalky residue at the bottom of basins, sinks, buckets, etc. Try soaking something overnight in a solution of Ariel, Bold or Daz powder/tablets. In the morning, there will be a chalky residue at the bottom of the container. You don't get the residue with phosphate detergents. Has anyone noticed that the zeolite content of P&G's powders has been reduced? Instead of consisting of 30% or more zeolite, it is now in the 5-15% range. Noticed it first with Daz: "New lighter powder" blurb on the pack. Bold is the same.

Post# 301946 , Reply# 25 9/7/2008 at 07:26 (5,709 days old) by robm (Buxted)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Nick (and Paul) I'm sure the Bosch will be fine. The Zanussi has a few things I would change about it! 1, it beeps at the end of the wash and rinse hold?? Rinse hold is supposed to be left?? Also, although it fills quietly the pump could be a little quieter. I noticed the pump does go on and off on certain prgs like the Easy iron option. This doesn't bother me as it isn't plumbed into the sink, but it might be annoying if it was! All in all I love it though! I know the Bosch have whiney motors but then nothing is perfect. Maybe we should all design our own make?? I think this is one? Rob

Post# 302015 , Reply# 26 9/7/2008 at 16:02 (5,708 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes Hello all Rob, that Bosch in the picture is similar to the one I was going to get but in the end I went for the simpler Classixx with a 1400 spin. I was never entirely sure about the large display in the centre of the panel, and I decided that I wanted simplicity so went for the Classix. An odd decision, I surpised myself. I only got the 1400 as, for some cyberspace type reason, it ended up being I still haven't got 50 degrees, but I haven't had it for a year now and we're still clean and bright ;-) You'd be amazed at what's actually fine on 60. Most of my children's really grubby stained coloured stuff goes in at 60. I also bought the Classix dryer (most basic model) and am expecting delivery on Wednesday. Together the cost was �550. This is about the cost of a basic Miele which I'd still love, but even the basic Miele doesn't do 50 anymore! Plus if I bought a Miele, I can't stand the thought of not legitimately doing any washer shopping for 20 years! The bust Hotpoint dryer was actually bought on ebay from a guy who lives 20 doors down the road (�32) and the LG washer was collected today, went for �180. So I was quite pleased with that result. Re: detergents...yes, those Zeolites are a pain for rinsing. But recently with all phosphate detergents (tabs, the Tesco ones) have had some blotching left on blacks. Might need to go back to liquid for darks... Nick

Post# 304476 , Reply# 27 9/18/2008 at 14:36 (5,697 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes *I have decided.......* After a lot of deliberation and trips to John Lewis I have decided to get a miele W1613. I know I said that a meile would stick out too much but having looked at all other machines there was just no comparison and I thought "sod it, I want that Miele!!!". So am off to John Lewis on saturday to order it........Iam very exited!!!!!

Post# 304738 , Reply# 28 9/20/2008 at 07:13 (5,696 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes *Miele* Just been and ordered the W1613, it will arrive on the 29th, am very exited!!! Full write up once I have played with it for a bit.

Post# 304743 , Reply# 29 9/20/2008 at 09:17 (5,696 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes Congrats on the purchase paulc! I'm sure you'll be more than pleased! Will you be posting any piccies?!:D Darren

Post# 304744 , Reply# 30 9/20/2008 at 09:28 (5,696 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes Hopefully posting pictures when my new digi cam arrives, although Iam a total computer blonde and it may take a while. Hope also to put some vids on youtube. I did have a bit of a crisis in John Lewis as the prestige 1300 was �599 but I decided I much prefer the W1613's simpleness and the styling.

Post# 305440 , Reply# 31 9/24/2008 at 14:52 (5,691 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)
Checkrate/Likes Something I don't understand. I have had a set of Maytag Neptunes for over 9 years now. Both are front loaders. I usually do 3 load a day for lets say 300 days out of the year. Thats 900 loads a year, for 9 years thats 8,100 loads with no problems. I just had to take the dryer apart for cleaning, but there was nothing inside to clean out. No problems with the washer either. So are the full size front loaders made better than the smaller versions? I sometimes max out the loads and some are normal size. Balancing is never an issue. Maybe 2 or 3 times at most then off to the races. So guys can you explain the length of time I get out of appliances versus the comments above in this thread. Thanks. Jon

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