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Post# 301056   9/3/2008 at 08:27 (5,686 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Finaly!You may sign on to (electroluxappliances.com) and go on the virtual laundry tour!!! The washer is 4.7 cu.ft.!!!!Everytime you visit,you're entered in to a contest to win a pare!A dollar is also automaticaly sent to research funds for ovarian cancer.




Post# 301289 , Reply# 1   9/3/2008 at 22:06 (5,685 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

1) are those prices correct?
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2) Thank God I quit my job... They are crazy. I'll phone Mr. Ruy (my ex-boss) immediatelly.

Now I could see a lot of stupit things they decided to change after I quit.

As an ex-Electroux's designer, and involved in part of this project, unfortunately >>>I DO NOT<<< recommend the washer.

BE MILES AWAY FROM IT!!!

(But I love the color. LOL)


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Now you, my friends and coleagues. Let me discover if you have good eyes...

Take a good look and try to find the huge project mistake.

I still can't believe Electrolux did it.


Post# 301311 , Reply# 2   9/3/2008 at 22:58 (5,685 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        
I know what the problem is.

Kelly Ripa is the spokesmodel, when her fine-ass husband should've been used instead.

Big mistake!


Post# 301314 , Reply# 3   9/3/2008 at 23:04 (5,685 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Does it have to do with the door mechanism?

Post# 301331 , Reply# 4   9/4/2008 at 01:32 (5,685 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

hahahahahahahah

Post# 301332 , Reply# 5   9/4/2008 at 01:34 (5,685 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

no, it's not the door mechanism...
the mechanism is incrediby simple and reliable.

it's much more obvious. so obvious that it's difficult to notice until you start using.


Post# 301347 , Reply# 6   9/4/2008 at 08:03 (5,685 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I am noticing,in dissapointment, that there is no door for access to the "button catcher" or washer lint filter!That was one feature the Whirlpool/Kitchenaid/Kenmore's and the GE's don't have either.The new GE Profile front loaders do but not any of their previous models did.None of the Frigidaires had it either.

Post# 301382 , Reply# 7   9/4/2008 at 11:28 (5,684 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Is it the detergent dispenser? It must use a mechanism similar to the door to open? Or it simply isn't there...

Post# 301450 , Reply# 8   9/4/2008 at 16:19 (5,684 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Chuck

You're absoluely correct!!!

Where the hell is the button trap door?

If the user washes an old blanket and accidentaly it gets shreded by the washer, the user will have to pay for a service that could be easily done with a little bit of mess and without spending a cent.

I noticed it on the affinity family but there was too late to change the mould. (a mould can cost more than $1mi).

Now they repeat the same mistake.

That's why I hate the new generations of designers and the 3D crap.
where are the clay blocks, the 0.5mm steel wire, the cutters, the sandpaper pens, the artistic "gift" and the hands hability the designers of my generation used to have?

A simple clay model instead of an autoCAD animation would avoid this huge and ridiculous mistake.


Post# 301459 , Reply# 9   9/4/2008 at 17:16 (5,684 days old) by magic clean ()        
here

is a hint, perhaps in N. America that small access door was left off to prevent user access to the drain trap.

The horizontal axis washer is an entirely new concept to most here. Owners manuals are not viewed as compelling reading. Not having user access precludes inadvertent user error.


Post# 301486 , Reply# 10   9/4/2008 at 21:18 (5,684 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
4.7 CU FEET!

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WOW I gotta get me one! SOOOOON!



Post# 301510 , Reply# 11   9/4/2008 at 23:50 (5,684 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
angry from dissapointment

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It realy erks me to see Billions of dollars paid out to inadiquate,careless,unfamiliar,pompis idiots they call"engineers"who don't give a rat's ass about today's home makers.As a consumer who wants to help in saving our environment,as well as save on my outgoing expenses,I would think that a company that has gone out of their way competitively to make a monster washer and dryer at a sinful and outragious price,would have gone out of their way to "kiss the customer's ass".I will bet everyone here that the same fait the "Neptunes" had after being twice the cost of the original reintroduced front loading style(Frigidaire)American washers will be occuring with the new Electroluxes.CONSUMERS ARE STUPID WHEN IT COMES TO PRODUCT MAINTANANCE!!!!Just like myself changing oil in a car(I never have driven nor have I ever had a license to)your average "Joe Schmoe" has no clue what the hell a button catcher is and would end up trying to disassemble the entire washer just to find out why it isn't draining as fast as it used to or not draining at all.that's one of the main reasons I parted with my Duets.I would have included the button catcher access door,interior washer drum light controled by a button on the control panel and perferated arms in stainless steel molded into and incorporated with the inner tub.I need a Valium!

Post# 301598 , Reply# 12   9/5/2008 at 10:59 (5,683 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Chuck

You don´t need a Valium!

You need a gold medal!

do you want to know what the new "engineers" and "designers", that don´t know how to use a compass, a ruler and don´t know the difference between oil pastel and crayons say about the designers from my generation and olders?

"Philippe Starck, Michael Graves, Mies Van der Rohe, Carlo Alessi and all those dinossaurs are O-B-S-O-L-E-T-E"

I would love to see Mr. Starck furious, tossing a Juicy Salif in their asses, while Mr. Graves smash their faces using a 9093 kettle.
I would participate and stuck affinity control dials under their nails.

They should wash their mouthes using Fels Naphta before saying the MASTER´S names.


Post# 302098 , Reply# 13   9/8/2008 at 00:08 (5,681 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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They're like a cow that gives a good bucket of milk and kicks it over!All the time,effort and money spent in design,engineering,style,advertising,promotion and production and they can't put a damn little door on these to lower the service calls needed to get a damn coin or button out of a pump?GE did it with their new ones.Whirlpool/Maytag/Sears Kenmore,Speed Queen and Frigidaire are the only ones that don't have that.L.G.,GE Profile,Miele,Asko,Bosch,Seamens,and Samsung all have the "button catcher".

Post# 302131 , Reply# 14   9/8/2008 at 06:12 (5,681 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Can it be that the buttontrap is accessed from the back?

Post# 302459 , Reply# 15   9/9/2008 at 09:53 (5,679 days old) by marukap (St. Louis)        
For What it is Worth

I just sent this e-mail to Electrolux:

Dear Electrolux:

I am in the market for a new washing machine and I was very excited to see that you are coming out with a line of laundry equipment for the U.S. residential market. From what I've seen, your machines are beauties and are exactly what I am looking for. HOWEVER, upon closer inspection, I was STUNNED that there is no front-access pump clean-out door! This is an unacceptable engineering oversight on an otherwise ultra-premium product. Unless this problem is corrected before I am ready to make my purchase, I will be compelled to make a different selection.

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Martin Kaplan


Post# 302477 , Reply# 16   9/9/2008 at 12:07 (5,679 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Martin. Let us know what they say.

Thanks

Ray


Post# 302520 , Reply# 17   9/9/2008 at 13:47 (5,679 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Vortex Pumps..!!!

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It could just be that they deceided on a past bit of UK engineering instead of the euro stuff...the three main UK laundry brands from the 60`s to the 90`s (Servis, Hotpoint & Hoover) didnt have pump access, didnt need it, they used a vortex pump which flushed everything through the pump into the drain.... the same type thats shown on The Secret Life of the Washing Machine.....!!!!!

Lets hope the detergent dispenser is built on the latest design, smooth sides and casing unlike previous euro models...


Post# 302972 , Reply# 18   9/11/2008 at 06:53 (5,678 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
more pix and U&C manual

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Tub

Post# 302973 , Reply# 19   9/11/2008 at 06:57 (5,678 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Drum II

Post# 302974 , Reply# 20   9/11/2008 at 06:58 (5,678 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Drum vane and jet

Post# 302975 , Reply# 21   9/11/2008 at 06:59 (5,678 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Touch-2-Open dispenser

Post# 302976 , Reply# 22   9/11/2008 at 06:59 (5,678 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Dryer drum

Post# 302977 , Reply# 23   9/11/2008 at 07:00 (5,678 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Drum vane

Post# 302978 , Reply# 24   9/11/2008 at 07:05 (5,678 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Manuals

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Post# 304361 , Reply# 25   9/17/2008 at 18:19 (5,671 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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WOW, those do look nice.
I bet they won't last 3 years, before repair.



Post# 304388 , Reply# 26   9/17/2008 at 19:58 (5,671 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        

Third photo down is nothing but false advertising. There's no way it uses that much water.

(ducks and runs)


Post# 304465 , Reply# 27   9/18/2008 at 13:11 (5,670 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I can't wait for ELECTROLUX CLASS!

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I'm gonna tear it apart!!!

OHHH What a time for laundry!



Post# 304469 , Reply# 28   9/18/2008 at 13:51 (5,670 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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This would be a really neat washer if it didn't have it's design flaws! I'd totally save up for one...

Post# 304518 , Reply# 29   9/18/2008 at 22:13 (5,670 days old) by kenmorepeter5ab ()        
Spin Maximum

This new Electrolux Washer's Spin Extra High is about 1350 rpm by spin final.

- Peter (kenmorepeter5ab) ;-)I'm deaf...my friend)


Post# 304596 , Reply# 30   9/19/2008 at 12:32 (5,669 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
ummm

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1350 RPM in a Gygunda tub will just about equal 1600 RPM in a Tyncie eurotub. YAY!



Post# 304637 , Reply# 31   9/19/2008 at 15:34 (5,669 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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But still, they should be competing with the fastest of spin speeds for today, why couldn't they have matched that one Euro washer that tops out at 2,000 RPM? Now, with a tub that size, 2,000 RPM would be a BLAST!!! (Although, that could be quite literally a blast, thus why it's only 1,350! lol)

Post# 304710 , Reply# 32   9/19/2008 at 22:35 (5,669 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I also found out that

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the machine has a GEL pack that helps balance the spin cycle on top of the shock absorbers! AND that it will learn the floor it is placed on in 4 loads so that it will balance through the critical speed of 600 RPMS and after 4 loads there will be no vibration!! Talk about thinking! OUY!




Post# 304792 , Reply# 33   9/20/2008 at 19:41 (5,668 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
also

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It has touch to open doors that are reversible. And the control knob can be used in the retracted position so that the front panel is flat OR you can touch that knob and it will extend out off the panel so you can grab it and twist it.

ALSO - the soap door and the under draw are touch to open.

Can't wait!



Post# 304795 , Reply# 34   9/20/2008 at 19:46 (5,668 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Oh and the Dryer

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has a toe kick cut under the back so that you can adapt a vent to either side and keep the machine flush to the wall!



Post# 304804 , Reply# 35   9/20/2008 at 20:39 (5,668 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Elextrolux!

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Electrolux USA!
It would be Magnificent if they would make a Combo!
Peter



Post# 304805 , Reply# 36   9/20/2008 at 20:42 (5,668 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Electrolux USA!

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Hopefully they will make a Combo and they will have reliable service. But it is only Hope!
Peter


Post# 306321 , Reply# 37   9/28/2008 at 21:01 (5,660 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
I finaly saw them saturday

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I wen to the local Best Buy where they had both sets.The turquoise is more of a teal(disapointing bu pretty none the less)and as convenient as they may have seamed in the pictures,the door openers are like the ones on an entertainment cener's doors that press and pop open.The dryer door opens and shuts easily but the washer door needs some help and can be inconvenient when you have a handfull of dirty laundry.The dispenser tray pops out too but is real cheap plastic.he interior drum light can be turned on during any part of the cycle and is the BRIGHTEST interior light I ever saw in any front loader!he washer works well in drain and spin and is EXREAMLY QUIET! Quitest one I never heard!lol.
The perferated arms are neat and reminded me of the older 60's Westinghouse Multi-Speed rectangular window/slanted front models when they had the black and red arms the latter of which had the "Lint Ejector" nameplate on it.Thirteen hundred rpm spin!

The dryer is awsome.Huge stainless steel interior,drum light as bright as the washer's,REVERSE TUMBLE!!,sensor bars and interesting,perferated arms.

I,m sorry but $1699/ea is way beyond my or anyone else's meens right now!!


Post# 306404 , Reply# 38   9/29/2008 at 08:22 (5,660 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Electrolux!

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I haven't seen one yet. But one of my concerns is being the drum is so large 4.7 - their will probably be a lot of balancing issues when trying to spin. All these big bombs run much to long as it is. These capacity wars are getting ridiculous. I am still wondering if they will produce a combo.
(What ever happened to the simplicity of a westinghouse?)
Peter



Post# 306437 , Reply# 39   9/29/2008 at 12:44 (5,659 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I saw these yesterday at Lowe's

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Impressive machines. They had them hooked up so you could play with the controls. Unfortunately they weren't hooked to a water line so I didn't get to see it wash.

I was impressed with the machine, but I would like to see some repair data before I dropped $1,200 on a washer. All-in-all I liked it as much as the Whirlpool I was leaning towards.

Maybe by the time my TL Maytag finally dies there will be some durability data available.

Speaking of my old Tag--Let us pray she goes for at least two more years.


Post# 306545 , Reply# 40   9/29/2008 at 21:13 (5,659 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I too saw the new Electrolux machines at Best Buy. They had the washer plugged in and its impressive. The door ..you touch the round disc and it opens the door on both washer and dryer. The dryer has a plastic inner door..I have a feeling over time that will scratch. The washer has a nice bright light that comes on to illuminate the drum. The controls are kinda neat and the knob retracts. These 2 have alot going for them. The dryer drum leaves me kinda wondering about that wave vane. Its size is huge and it runs the entire length of the drum. The sensor array in the back of the drum is at the bottom as in the pics. There is not much clearance between the vane and back wall of the drum so my thinking is that something could get jammed in there. I am hoping I am wrong but thats a strong possibility it will happen. Its a pinch point.
The dryer drum is HUGE at a whopping 8 cu ft. Its very long so getting to the back of the drum and it doesnt matter if your tall or short...you will have to almost climb into it to get that last sock at the back of the drum.
Still very impressive and at a nice cool $1500 USD a piece...the gas version of the dryer runs $100 USD more.


Post# 306546 , Reply# 41   9/29/2008 at 21:16 (5,659 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Oh and before I forget....this is for us Boston area guys....Yale Electric in Boston is giving a set away of these machines on every weekend for the next month or so. I plan on putting my name in so who knows I could win these...they are valued at well over $3,000 together.

Post# 306556 , Reply# 42   9/29/2008 at 21:34 (5,659 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Mike

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I am off to Best Buy tomorrow!!

How do you register at Yale? Online or in person???

Jon



Post# 306626 , Reply# 43   9/30/2008 at 09:18 (5,658 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Jon I think you have to do it in person. The advert was in the Boston Globe Magazine. Oh and the Best Buy In Saugus at the Square One Mall had them since thats where I saw them. Lowes was rearranging their displays so they were not out. Maybe a different story today since I saw them on Monday 10/29

Post# 306891 , Reply# 44   10/1/2008 at 09:53 (5,657 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Looking on the Elux website

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I read through the owner's guide for this machine. As Thomasortega stated there is no button catcher, or lint screen and it does say to call service if the pump clogs. Other than that I am still impressed with what I see. 18 minute quick wash. 144 minute heavy cycle.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO iheartmaytag's LINK


Post# 307226 , Reply# 45   10/2/2008 at 13:14 (5,656 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

18 minutes quick wash...LOL

Just to put clear...
I HATE this cycle.

Guess what.
It doesn´t clean, the rinse is ridiculous and the spin is a disaster.

This is the only negative point (and the button catcher?) in my opinion.


Post# 307241 , Reply# 46   10/2/2008 at 14:03 (5,656 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
the 18 minute cycle

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Does state to freshen light soiled cloting.

You are right, the button catcher is a stopping point. Same for Whirlcrap for that matter. Bosch, LG, GE, and Samsung have the trapdoor.



Post# 307284 , Reply# 47   10/2/2008 at 16:15 (5,656 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
So called button catcher

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I am sure there is one.My Kitchenaid had it.Whirlpool just didn't at the time, nor do they now,want to take the time,money and effort to make a little access door to get to it.If you want,you can inconveniently as hell,take off the base panel and access it yourself.My room mate in Fla.wore bras with metal straps that would ware out and get stuck between the two tubs.The metal would eventually reach the "button catcher in smaller pieces and I'd remove it.Even GE's new machines have it.Hard as Hell to open but it's there!

Post# 307292 , Reply# 48   10/2/2008 at 16:54 (5,656 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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I wouldn't mind taking off the front pannel. I was told that Whirlpool Duet does have one it's just hard to access. I am not opposed to tearing a machine apart, just wish they would have made something this simple a little easier.

Problem the Whirlpool man was telling me was if you don't think to check it occassionaly, the pump can burn out before you know you have a problem. He said the Duet was notorious for eating baby socks and recommended always using a mesh bag. I noticed the Elux manual stated the same "always use a mesh bag for small items"


Post# 308156 , Reply# 49   10/7/2008 at 13:56 (5,651 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Electrolux!

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I just saw it in sears and somewhat disappointed. I Did Not like the door. First off the latch was cheap and garbage. Second you need to push to pop open the door, which was no big deal. But the door opens all the way and cannot leave ajar to air after the cycle. This was my biggest complaint with the LG.
I also felt the door was not sturdy at all. (Probably subject to leaking). Otherwise the machine seemed ok but I wasnt really that impressed. It seems like the same sos like the others have.
Peter


Post# 308373 , Reply# 50   10/8/2008 at 21:43 (5,650 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I saw them last nite at Best Buy

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And I have to say they were in a line up with a GE Profile set, an LG set and a Samsung set.They all looked exactly alike; And I walked right by them! I was astounded at myself! So that turned me off right there.
The door was extremely slow to open once you pushed the button, but Pete it could stay in any position I left it in, unlike the machine you describe.
I stuck my head in the tub and it looked like the same size as the Duet and large LG machines. I really didn't "see" any difference. But the dryer is large enough to store a 747 in!
The salesman started off the bat at saying these are the only machines he has that don't have Steam! Like that is now the criteria, is it? Am I out of touch? What does one do with a steam cycle in a washer? I know what to do with a dryer steam cycle for refreshing clohtes but a washer? I am not clear on this but I think he said the dryer does have a steam cycle, anybody know?
So does one use an He Steam detergent??
I did like the controls very much and you can option out any cycle that I dialled in. That I like very much.
I really need to see the guts now to form an educated opinion about these machines.
I would like to think they are better built than they appeared, because they look like the imported junk that was sitting beside them. Their Frigimores are well built, and so are their Induction cooktops!!
I also need to do a few loads in them too! That is the only way to tell really! Can it get the skid marks out!

jet




Post# 308376 , Reply# 51   10/8/2008 at 22:12 (5,650 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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"Skid marks?"I had no idea you were a biker,Jon!

Post# 308393 , Reply# 52   10/9/2008 at 02:10 (5,650 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
The Power of Steam...!!!

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"Steam is the new Boil Wash", the thinking behind "Steam in the Wash" is that you can use lower wash temperatures but the washers have a small built in steam generator which heats a tiny amount of water to "Steam Temperature" this then is pumped through a jet into the laundry, usually at the top of the drum, and the clothes are tumbled in the steam, so sanitising the clothes, without heating all the water to high temp, also relaxing clothing allowing the dirt to come away quicker....and after spinning, on some models, the steam will relax the fabrics and aid de-creasing!!!

The Electrolux models look very sturdy & stylish, if like Lux Europe these will be a winner!!!

yes Jon TMI...!!!lol


Post# 308531 , Reply# 53   10/10/2008 at 08:05 (5,649 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Wow fancy picture there Mike

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I guess I get the steam wash thing, so you don't put in detergent then?

They just tumble in steam or steam first then on to regular wash?



Post# 308885 , Reply# 54   10/12/2008 at 13:27 (5,646 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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jon,do u remember when you were younger and noticed some of the neighbors had there bedclothes hanging out the upstares windows?Same idea.The steam will relax and refresh the fabrics so you have no need to wash,rinse,spin and dry them just to make them smell fres..Now mind you,if there are some minor stains,they will dissapear too.Twenty minutes and your dress shir and slacks are ready to go out and play!Some of us throw in a dryer sheet or two to make them smell nice.


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