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Post# 307398   10/3/2008 at 08:01 (5,677 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Seņora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Folks...

Electrolux Brazil is famous by it's wierd but smart ideas.
It is the most creative E-lux plant. Their creations are known worldwide (including the american Electrolux washers).

Now they could solve a problem GE had many years ago.

where to put the mini basket when itīs not in use?

When I was there, we recreated the mini basket, to protect delicate items but it wasn't launched.

This month, Electrolux decided to launch the mini basket, but with an important quality. Itīs flexible and foldable!!!!

When not in use, it can be easily stored in the back of the washer or even under it.


Pictures as soon as they update their website.




Post# 307402 , Reply# 1   10/3/2008 at 08:10 (5,677 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Seņora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Oh, before I forget...
The washer has impressive 5.2 cu. ft. capacity (yes baby, itīs huge! I'm sure you'll love feeling it) and it uses a lot of water like our beloved vintage top loaders (Thatīs why unfortunatelly you'll never have this washer in the USA)

It also has an active drum. and (R U ready for this?)














































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This washer has spin drain!

This is only the second member os the new Electrolux TL family.

There will also be a version with internal water heater and a TOL version with touch screen LCD.

Post# 307426 , Reply# 2   10/3/2008 at 10:32 (5,677 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Does this machine have a real transmission or is the motor just rotated back and forth by a computer to agitate?

Post# 307462 , Reply# 3   10/3/2008 at 14:34 (5,677 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Fascinating!

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Thomas,

Please post a link and pictures when this appears on the Electrolux Brasil website.

It sounds very interesting. Thanks for the info.

Patrick

Post# 307464 , Reply# 4   10/3/2008 at 15:03 (5,677 days old) by tuthill ()        
5.2 cu ft???

 for a top loader? That seems huge. Looking forward to seeing it.

Post# 307471 , Reply# 5   10/3/2008 at 15:42 (5,677 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

Click on "Mais Fotos" to see any pictures about this washer!!

Pulsator, the Brazilian washer uses only a digitar inversor to turn the agitator!

pdub, have any washer like this on Electrolux brazilian website. Have pictures at Ponto Frio on-line Store.

Tuthill, this washer is 15,2 Kgs, but I have a tradicional Whirlpool (9 Kgs) at friend's home and I comprove, this washer is not so big as say the capacity. I think, the brazilian washers are big but the real capacity are not the same of the capacity nominal!


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Post# 307473 , Reply# 6   10/3/2008 at 15:49 (5,677 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

The Link faild, but i have some pictures about the washer in question!

Post# 307640 , Reply# 7   10/4/2008 at 21:04 (5,676 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Seņora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Pulsator

This machine, like all brazilian machines use a triac instead of a mechanical transmision.

This system is much superior because only with it is possible to have a huge flexibility, not only for the agitation speeeds, but also the agitation amplitude.
(BTW, the brazilian transmission is not the same as the american. Our electronic transmission really works)

this washer has several different agitation profiles, including 3 different degrees, 4 different speeds and also a super assimetric movement. 90° to clockwise 30° counter-clockwise for bulky items like comforters. (the idea is cause a jam around the agitator and compensate the agitation using the drum)

This washer's rolover is fantastic. I've never seen a rollover like that.

by the way, the agitator is like an inverted "dual action". it's bottom is responsible for the rollover and the top and midde are reponsible for the cleaning turbulence.

This washer also have an active drum with specially designed micro vanes to help the rollover.

By the picture you can see a vortex. That's the washer agitating.

the drum vanes also help distributing the clothes during the spin.

unfortunatelly today isn't possible to make a washer with a spin drain like the old frigidaires. it's drain is half static, half spin. it talkes up to 4 minutes to drain completelly, considering the highest level, like most of the brazilian washers. the first Electrolux "TOP family" was inspired at frigidaire unimatic". Of course without the pulsator. in 2001 we started to "play" with it including some accessories, like the sneakers washer. the mini basket was obviously inspired at GE, but the project was changed to a fabric and metal coil flexible basket to save space when it's not in use. (it fits under the washer or behind it)


Next models will have more touches of vintage, including more accessories and some technical features we will see and remember immediatelly vintage washers.
There are two other accessories to come (probably at top17 or top20)

Unfortunately they won't have the reset button and the panels won't say it's an "automatic washer".



About the capacity, unfortunatey Brazil has a ridiculous standard that all manufacturers must follow. some of our washers have a real capacity much smaller than what they claim and others can handle much more than it's nominal capacity. the capacity is measured by weight, but of course 1kg of jeans doesn't have the same density as 1 kg of silk.

Mr. Drovetto, please do not comment any of these informations at Orkut community before the official launching, you know why.






Post# 307641 , Reply# 8   10/4/2008 at 21:13 (5,676 days old) by tuthill ()        
Hi Thomas

 Thanks for sharing this information, it is very interesting.

BUT could you kindly explain to me one thing that this washer has in common with a Unimatic????

Post# 307670 , Reply# 9   10/4/2008 at 23:03 (5,676 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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What exactly does the agitator look like? Do you have a picture of it with the tub empty?

Post# 307751 , Reply# 10   10/5/2008 at 09:49 (5,675 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Seņora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Actually this model is the 4th generation of the TOP family.
so it lost a little bit of it's "inspiration".

when we did the 1sg generation (TOP 8) we tried to bring back a little bit of the frigidaire's "strongness".

If you see the other brazilian washers from the same year, they're all art sculputres, they look like everything, except a washer. Very beautiful, but the first thing the consumer think is "will it clean?" or "will it last?".

TOP family brought back the american design, with a huge washer, imponent and the most important: It looks like a washer.
Of course, we had to include a lot of details the consumers love here in Brazil.
For example, Our washers MUST have a glass lid (not only a window), brazilians hate softener dispensers on the agitator (americans are so used to it that it's consiered "normal"), the panels MUST be short (If compared to the tall american panels).
I say it was inspired at the first frigidaires because of the organic design, with soft edges, going against the market "square" tendencies for that year.

Post# 308199 , Reply# 11   10/7/2008 at 21:17 (5,673 days old) by bestcleaning ()        
OH My God, I want one.

 Hi Pulsator. Here are the picture. The tub size looks like traditional GE stainless steel tub.
-Rodrigo

Post# 308204 , Reply# 12   10/7/2008 at 21:54 (5,673 days old) by tuthill ()        

Thanks for the pic, Rodrigo.

WHERE DA FINS????

Post# 308211 , Reply# 13   10/7/2008 at 23:10 (5,673 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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It's not one of those machines that has a modified impeller disk is it? I sincerely cannot stand those machines with the impeller disks let alone an impeller disk with a cylinder attached to the top and then passed off as an agitator! An agitation arc of more than 360 degrees(which is still pushing it IMHO) just doesn't do it for me!

Post# 308212 , Reply# 14   10/7/2008 at 23:12 (5,673 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

Interesting.

The agitator looks not too disimiliar to what Electrolux/Simpson uses in Australia.

It is interesting to see that Electrolux in South America is putting real effort into top loader design. In Australia our top loader has been changed into a water efficient design with a semi solid tub.

Wonder what Frigidaire in the states will do with its toploaders?

Post# 308218 , Reply# 15   10/8/2008 at 00:02 (5,673 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Wonder what Frigidaire in the states will do with its toploa

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I know what I wish they would do with them! (Blow them up).
I wonder why nobody will come up with a washer with a adjator that goes up / down like a gm frigidaire did.
Peter

Post# 308219 , Reply# 16   10/8/2008 at 00:16 (5,673 days old) by tuthill ()        

Yeah Frigidaire top-loaders in the states aren't going anywhere. It's a dead-end design that is just begging to be axed by government mandates.

Post# 308220 , Reply# 17   10/8/2008 at 01:08 (5,673 days old) by fredfred9633 ()        

i love those machines

Post# 308242 , Reply# 18   10/8/2008 at 07:31 (5,672 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Interesting thread on what different markets look for in laundry equipment. Several years ago when Whirlpool came out with their World Washer, there was as similar article in Wall Street Journal about how flexible that design was for different markets (porcelain vs stainless tubs, agitator vs impeller, cold fill vs hot fill, rear console versus front panel, etc etc).

Post# 308348 , Reply# 19   10/8/2008 at 18:12 (5,672 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires)        
Cold water fill only...

 ...with no inboard water heater! For all washes and rinses you can choose from any water temperature, as long as it is cold. Not for me, no way. Look to page 7 of the user's manual.

Emilio

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Post# 308349 , Reply# 20   10/8/2008 at 18:13 (5,672 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires)        
Brochure...

 ...for the same washer. Looks nice though.

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Post# 308356 , Reply# 21   10/8/2008 at 19:03 (5,672 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

A very nice looking machine!

But that mini basket seems to me like it is a big mesh bag that you open a zip, insert your clothes and fasten to the agitator while the tub fills up as normal.

So it is not really like a mini basket at all. That is a bit of a let down.

Post# 308357 , Reply# 22   10/8/2008 at 19:08 (5,672 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
A removable, cleanable lint filter!

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How many washers nowadays have a removeable, cleanable, agitator mounted lint filter? I cannot think of many. I wonder if it works as well as the old Maytag filters...

RCD

Post# 309030 , Reply# 23   10/13/2008 at 08:11 (5,667 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Seņora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

You're right. the "mini basket" is a mesh bag

it was created not for small loads (you can use the extra low water level), but to allow washing delicate items mixed with normal ones.


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