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Post# 307655   10/4/2008 at 22:03 (5,653 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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I got a 1965 Norge up and running this weekend, but I am not familiar with its cycle. It seems to drain strangley! Take a peek and see if this is normal.
It has 3 different pressure switches, I think the third one kicks in on low water and activates a spin solenoid but maybe you guys know better?
Does anybody have a manual for this machine?


jon


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Post# 307656 , Reply# 1   10/4/2008 at 22:17 (5,653 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
interesting spin drain

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The Norges I used in college days were just slightly newer than your model, they also went into full spin very late like that when almost all the water had drained out. The part that was a bit strange was at first when the agitator was still oscillating slightly which spin draining.
A very neat machine Jon.
PS Your relatives have been after me to get you out here for a visit lol


Post# 307657 , Reply# 2   10/4/2008 at 22:20 (5,653 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Norge Pig Style

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Slosh and Wash!

enjoy


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Post# 307660 , Reply# 3   10/4/2008 at 22:22 (5,653 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
hi eddy

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I NEED A road trip!!!!

Keep the door open please!!

Yes I thought it was odd that the agitator still oscillates!!
But I love the big KLUNK into high spin!



Post# 307663 , Reply# 4   10/4/2008 at 22:29 (5,653 days old) by a440 ()        
Well....

I am not sure if it is normal or not...but I can say that I like what it is doing. That is cool, and different.
Seems like the solenoid kick in for the spin would be controlled by the timer. Therefore normal?
Thanks for the pictures.
Cool Machine!
Brent


Post# 307667 , Reply# 5   10/4/2008 at 22:48 (5,653 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well, our 1964 dispensomate didn't do that, nor did the late 1963 moneky wards. Ours did a complete neutral drain for the first minute of extract. then the timer moved and if the water level pressure switch hadn't reseet itself, the timer turn itself off until the switch had reset itself, wihich was pretty much almost to the point of inner tub totally empty. Then once the switch reset itself, the timer turned on agaibn. At about the 40 second point in that increment, the machine would start to spin for about 15 seconds, then the spin solenoid would disengage and the tub start to coast. then the next timer increment had water entering for that minute as tub coasted. It was a combination suds kill and cool down. Another timer increment with just machine pumping after water turned off. Then it went into a 2 minute spin and then started the coasst down for rinse as the water was entering. After that increment, the brake made it's "clank" and rinse fill continued. Jon, did the tub start slowly spinning while full of water right at the beginning of the extract? I have 2 scenarios. First, this slightly modified series was introduced in the 1965 machines. There was a huge pull on the whole machine when it would start spinning like ours did. The solenoid kicked in and the motor practically went to a deal half. Think Unimatic spin start and that's what it was like. Lights always dimmed slightly in the house at that point. There may have been so many failures and repair problems this modified sequence was implemented. The 2nd scenario is that the washer doesn't have the original transmission and such and when it was replaced, it was replaced with this modified one. Ours used to slosh around a bit like that too everyonce in a while, but I normall had it so full, it didn't have a chance to do that, except when rugs were being washed.

Post# 307678 , Reply# 6   10/5/2008 at 00:11 (5,653 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Deja vu...

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Yes, the Monkey Ward Roger, Ross, and I dragged home from Phoenix tried to agitate a little while it was draining. Of course, that was the Fedders Norge design, so it would neutral-drain until it was 1/3rd full, then release the brake, spin drain, and turn on the water.

I found that if I had a full load of clothes they'd hold the agitator still eventually. As the machine struggled to halfheartedly agitate against the clothes, it'd slow down, stop, and then let out a noise from the agitator like a puppy crying.

It was kind of cute. Irritating on small loads, but never affected the performance of the machine. I think the presiding Norge judges ruled it a defective torque spring in the tranny, or some such...


Post# 307748 , Reply# 7   10/5/2008 at 09:36 (5,653 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes Bob

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I am thinking it is a modified 1964 machine. For several reasons:
The 70's Fedders Norge I worked on many moons ago you could see the tranny under the outer tub like the Maytag and it would spin in spin. This machine is like the later Blackstone in that the Tranny is not visible but is buried in the outer tub behind a big metal skirt.
It spins the tub right at drain then slows way down and if there are enough clothes in the tub holds the agitator but the tub as you can see turns slowly. The very first time I ran the machine, once the water drained out, it sped up then when the new water entered the solenoid disengaged and it slowed almost to a stop, drained out and then the solenoid kicked in again and whoppped up to high speed.
I noticed that this machine has 3 pressure switches which is crazy but one of them is mounted right on top of the spin solenoid so it must control that solenoid to prevent as Greg says water sloshing up over the sub top and down into the machine.
This machine is a Borg-Warner and I have never worked on them before.
But I must say it rinses, washes very well, and spin dries very well with that mega-bakelite agitator! How many pounds does that sucker weigh??

jon



Post# 307754 , Reply# 8   10/5/2008 at 10:18 (5,653 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
A top-loading washer at Jon's?? He's switching back!

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Well, you should try the swirled Montgomery Wards agitator in that machine. I'll bet you'd have to close the lid and mop the floor during a low-water wash.

What a strange drain/spin/spray sequence. Oh well, treat it as an interesting curiosity and keep getting those clothes cleaner than any front-load washer can!



Post# 307791 , Reply# 9   10/5/2008 at 13:31 (5,653 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hi Jon, they're all so unique with so many models offere

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My 80's model would drain about a third of the tub @ hi water level, but if you switched the level to extra low it would drain off most of the water before the gentle pop of the tub release at spin time.

So there is definitely something going on, some feedback loop or communication between water level and spinning. Someone will know. With Eddy, have not seen agitation during spin; the whole process made me think of Jimmy's Philco. Very similar.

What's not to love about a Norge, especially some tantalizing mystery. Thank you for the movies, you hi-tech Wizard Imperial;'D


Post# 307796 , Reply# 10   10/5/2008 at 13:51 (5,653 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Wizard Imperial!!

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I LOVE THAT!

Thank you Mikey!

Speaking of Wizards----I think my Norge by Borg Warner is my PIG-WIZARD! It is a water hog, really yanks the clothes around and is down to business jumping into spin!





Post# 308588 , Reply# 11   10/10/2008 at 15:39 (5,648 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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That looks normal to me. Like it is supposed to slowly spin for that totally effective cooldown spray rinse before jumping up to speed.

I always wondered how that big agitator handled a big load. Very cool machine!


Post# 308595 , Reply# 12   10/10/2008 at 16:18 (5,648 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Better Wizard Imperial-----

than the other way around!
That drain/spin is kool and I do remember when they did that, but am more used to the newer ones that neutral-drain 2/3rds then start to spin.
Aren't water-hogs fun!
I am so bad----I usually use hot washes AND hot rinses, and they are even more impressive in a good water-hog.
Jon that looks like a great machine!


Post# 308654 , Reply# 13   10/10/2008 at 23:21 (5,647 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Great videos Jon! Great machine also!
Did you get this one from GregM? I think he had a 64 or 65 Norge, so I figured this might be it?

The transmitions in these machines are designed in such a way that the agitator agitates the the entire time the machine is spinning. It is freaky to watch! My Monkey Norge coasts to a stop on spin,as the brake does not engage until AFTER the tub has stopped, and WHEN the machine shuts down.(or fills with water for the rinse) As the tub is slowing down, I can clearly see the spline on top of the agitator move back and forth as the tub spins. The splines "speed up and slow down" as the tub slowly comes to a stop.



Post# 308656 , Reply# 14   10/10/2008 at 23:23 (5,647 days old) by rickr (.)        

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lol!! I just caught that one Steve! Very clever, you are my friend!

Post# 308658 , Reply# 15   10/11/2008 at 00:46 (5,647 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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I have a '64 Norge, and a '72 Signature, neither of them do that super-slow spin, but it's cool, nevertheless. I'm sure it's something with a solenoid, but can't hurt anything. It's kinda cool! And I can't say enuf how I LOVE those Norges!

Post# 308686 , Reply# 16   10/11/2008 at 08:56 (5,647 days old) by rickr (.)        
Correction:

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I looked at the Monkey Norge again this morning. The only time the agitator agitates on spin, is when the bottom pulley is NOT at the same speed as the spin basket.

In other words, the machine agitates on spin as the spin basket is coming up to full speed, and when the spin basket slowing from full speed spin, to a complete stop ONLY.



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