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The New Drawer Washing Machine from Reason!!!
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Post# 310128   10/19/2008 at 00:11 (5,640 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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has anyone else seen this??
It looks so cool,
kinda like fisher and paykels DishDrawer(c) idea.
what does everyone think??
heres a link to the website...


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Post# 310130 , Reply# 1   10/19/2008 at 00:12 (5,640 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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and the youtube video of this machine,
sucks you can't see whats happening but it is a very unique idea for a clothes washing machine :-)
Matt


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Post# 310149 , Reply# 2   10/19/2008 at 04:04 (5,640 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

The logotype "Reason" is extremely similar to "Dyson"...
It doesn't appeal me even a single bit, plus I can't see inside and a 10 kg drum is too large for my liking, also I love dosing detergent (almost always powder) by my self!


Post# 310155 , Reply# 3   10/19/2008 at 04:50 (5,640 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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This machine is bizzare!
I doubt it is as one touch as they say. It'd be interesting if you could see in it! Is this a uk or european product?

Darren


Post# 310162 , Reply# 4   10/19/2008 at 05:20 (5,640 days old) by favorit ()        
1st April Fish ?

Here in italy we make biiiig jokes on april 1st. We call them "april fishes"
even if today is october 19 ... i'm rather suspicious *LOL*

Carlo


Post# 310171 , Reply# 5   10/19/2008 at 06:29 (5,640 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Hope no one confuses the Reason washer for a --dishwasher!Yes it needs a window in the door.

Post# 310183 , Reply# 6   10/19/2008 at 07:11 (5,640 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Hmm... Very Fisher & Paykel-esque in design. But judging by how the site had a countdown timer, the machine is not out yet. Perhaps it will be out in time for Christmas shopping season.

Post# 310195 , Reply# 7   10/19/2008 at 09:49 (5,639 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Interesting design, but I bet the mechanism is prone to failure with a system that has te be connected and disconnected all the time. Did you see how it wiggles when he pushes it back in the last time?

I would prefer an H-axis TL, although you can't built such a machine under a counter.


Post# 310196 , Reply# 8   10/19/2008 at 09:52 (5,639 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
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Hi Folks,
The website appears to be registered to an Andrew Reason in the UK.

Interesting design but not for me as I must be able to see whats going on inside the washer.

David


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Post# 310205 , Reply# 9   10/19/2008 at 10:48 (5,639 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Oddity in the Video

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It appears that when the man unloads the machine the clothes are dry and fluffy. As if it were a combo and performed the drying as well as washing.

MRB


Post# 310209 , Reply# 10   10/19/2008 at 11:29 (5,639 days old) by favorit ()        
Tolivac

.... just to make a fuss ;-))

It' s Techna Visi, a Zanussi DW

Carlo


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Post# 310211 , Reply# 11   10/19/2008 at 11:46 (5,639 days old) by soapnsuds ()        
Confused too

Mrb627, I noticed that too, but I just figured they were spun at 1600 and tumble fluffed at the end. Then when I went to the youtube video link from mattywash (same commercial) I read one of the comments posted and the person said it was a combo unit..I'll have to go back to the website and double check, but I didn't get that it was a combo.

Either way, it looks way cool and I would love to have one, but I just have to have a window. Perhaps they should have asked 40,001 people! lol


Post# 310233 , Reply# 12   10/19/2008 at 14:09 (5,639 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
TLHA!!!

OH.... can't say nothing else that the common Italian imprecation as...

PORCA MISERIA!

My dear friends, this is a machine exacly like a Top Loading Horizontal Axis... what is the difference in loading the drum from the top or doing it with make it sliding out like a drawer!?!?

This is for me the real SLIDING action to load





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Nothing of new for me, specially the two bearings drum support system...maybe the 10Kg load but honestly I'm suspicious in such standard cabinet dimensions...

Really is American market switching on to TLHA!??!!?

Then, here you really cannot see nothing. At leats I can bypass the lidswitch of the slinding door of mine and here you can see the sudsy drum shaking or otherwise here you are another one.... but similar





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Speechless...really

BYE
Diomede


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Post# 310234 , Reply# 13   10/19/2008 at 14:27 (5,639 days old) by mrx ()        
Diomede:

The washer in question's actually aimed at the European market and is designed in the UK, it's not intended for the US (initially anyway).

It occupies the standard cabinet shape as used by every other European front loader.





Post# 310235 , Reply# 14   10/19/2008 at 14:30 (5,639 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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great washer.

Pierre


Post# 310248 , Reply# 15   10/19/2008 at 15:36 (5,639 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
European market

Ok mrx, sorry but I didn't catch it immediately. Thanks!

Anyway, looking at the video it seems that the drum has a folding doors system just like my old Superautomatica.

I wonder though what obout the suspension system, becaus if the drum is hung to the door you'll see the door shaking when the spin shakes the drum....LOL!!!
Then, always concerning the two bearings, I wonder just about the rear one, where the drum shaft goes in and out when you open and close the door...

Really I'm not convinced.....
Shouldn't be better to make a good FL washing machine instead of inventing how to Front Loading a TLHA!?!?

Diomede



Post# 310260 , Reply# 16   10/19/2008 at 15:47 (5,639 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

The video seems to show, as 'foraloysius' says, the drawer shaking as the guy pushes it into place.

It'll probably be the first thing to break.


Post# 310263 , Reply# 17   10/19/2008 at 15:59 (5,639 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
I would prefer an H-axis TL, although you can't built su

Louis, I think it wouldn't be so on more...
Imagine if a TLHA has the outerbut independent of the cabinet and you make an hole in the counter as if you were installing a sink or cooktop, then a "cover" like those worktop would be like a cabinet door for the washing-machine, but under it the (sliding!?) outertub lid close it and the machine could wash, rinse and spine, of course much less noising than any other machine wiche attach the tub to the cabinet with those conventional rubber seals either for a TL than a FL!!

Then I must say this... if you remeber the Candy S51 of our French mate Bert (lamachinealaver.com), looking at the Candy Group website (link below) if you go to 1974 you can see a very rare horizontal axis machine with a top loadin system on front. The STA model is a TLHA the STF model i suppose is a FL two side drum machine (10.14 and 14.14 pics)


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Post# 310265 , Reply# 18   10/19/2008 at 16:03 (5,639 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
if you go to 1974

sorry ;) is 1971

Post# 310273 , Reply# 19   10/19/2008 at 17:12 (5,639 days old) by funguy10 ()        
Really is American market switching on to TLHA!??!!?

Well, I heard that in 2012, every company is to stop making Agitator Top-Loaders. Then, the only machines will be non-agitator Top-Loaders like the Kenmore Oasis HE, Front-Loaders like the Whirlpool Duet and yes, TLHA machines like the Staber.

Post# 310276 , Reply# 20   10/19/2008 at 17:27 (5,639 days old) by favorit ()        
Diomede - side loaders

Diomede, side loaders such that unique candy are quite common in professional laundry equipement
Some machines said -barrier type-, made to wash medical laundry, have 2 outer door, one for loading, the other 4 unloading. Those door are accessible from two separate rooms so where are infected sheets, there aren't boiled ones

They are made by Wascator (electrolux professional), Girbau, Dubix, Miele

Thanks 4 candylink
Ciao
Carlo



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Post# 310278 , Reply# 21   10/19/2008 at 17:30 (5,639 days old) by favorit ()        
better image in miele-professional.de

it is the smallest model, so the drum opening is clearer

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Post# 310301 , Reply# 22   10/19/2008 at 19:43 (5,639 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

There's no way that demonstration load was a 10 kg load.

It looks interesting though.

Chris.


Post# 310304 , Reply# 23   10/19/2008 at 19:56 (5,639 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

There's no way that demonstration load was a 10 kg load.

It looks interesting though.

Chris.


Post# 310314 , Reply# 24   10/19/2008 at 20:20 (5,639 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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An interesting washer, but I wonder how quickly the 'ears' on the door (and the door itself, for that matter) will break from the weight of a loaded laundry basket being hung there all the time?

Post# 310334 , Reply# 25   10/19/2008 at 21:20 (5,639 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

First thing is you cannot see wash action and the capacity looks very small.


Ross


Post# 310357 , Reply# 26   10/19/2008 at 23:29 (5,639 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

Rather ugly if you ask me.

It is interesting to see innovation for the sake of being innovative. For me this doesn't solve any problems. If I needed space above I would buy a front loader and if I didn't have space to open a front door I would by a top loader.


Post# 310374 , Reply# 27   10/20/2008 at 03:39 (5,639 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hhhmmmm

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Interesting concept, would love to see the inside workings of it!!! I wonder if its a concept prototype??? nice to see people still wanting to develop the "Humble Washing Machine"...

The loading idea is good, it would have to be pretty solid in the transmission & stability department to cope with drum being moved about all the time!!!

Nice find Matt, cheers, Mike


Post# 310437 , Reply# 28   10/20/2008 at 12:30 (5,638 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
All-in-one

It would be better if you could extract the entire machine from under countertop, not only the drum...

So it would behave like a "portable", that you keep under the countertop while not using or while it's washing and you pull it out thanks to the wheels (I mean the entire cabinet) at time to load or unload the laundry...

I figure out those old american top loading DW which was installed under the countertop and that you made slide out pulling it like a drawer to load or unload it...

Diomede



Post# 310459 , Reply# 29   10/20/2008 at 14:25 (5,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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"The best washing machine ever made?"

Quite likely no.

Like Louis said, I would imagine it being prone to failures - leaks, coupling the rear basket drive, etc. It also looks like a PITA to work on.

I noticed one of the features is that it apparently stores water in a tank at the bottom of the washer and "allows it to warm to room temperature". I find this strange, are there any other Euro washers that do this? They've sketched some broad strokes (with a Crayon?) and I'd like to see more...


Post# 310496 , Reply# 30   10/20/2008 at 17:12 (5,638 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
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I remember a washer, several years ago, having a tank that would store rinse water for the next wash. It was a regular Euro FL - I *think* made by Electrolux.

Alex


Post# 310497 , Reply# 31   10/20/2008 at 17:29 (5,638 days old) by mrx ()        

Problems :

1) Being launched at the start of a recession / slow down in Europe (and the US)
2) Customers do not trust new brands for washing machines.
3) It looks weird, so won't go down well with customers.
4) Who will support these machines for parts / service?
5) People traditionally like the glass door on front loaders. It's a feature.


Post# 310542 , Reply# 32   10/20/2008 at 21:07 (5,638 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Well, I heard that in 2012, every company is to stop making

The manufacturing of agitator washers in the US may cease in 2012. Though I doubt that they'll disappear from the market place. Whirlpool and Electrolux will simply import them from somewhere else. Anyway, lets just see how the economy will pan out and how the American public responds to more factory closures once unemployment hits double digit figures again. Look at it this way, since the financial melt-down climate change has virutally dropped off the radar. If we are cruising towards a major recession or possible depression, economically restrictive mandates will become quite unpopular with politicians.

Energy and water consumption ratings for most modern agitator/impeller top loaders are very close to most front loaders these days. To ban such machines outright, when they still make up the lion share of washer sales outside of Europe, is over the top and irrational.

About the Reason washer, I agree with Gansky's observation. That was nowhere near a 10 kilo load and the washer looked pretty full already. Apart from that, I quite like this slide-out design. It is innovative, even if it doesn't appeal to my aesthetic senses. A top-loading front loader, that fits under a kitchen counter is a pretty good idea and will generate consumer interest, providing that the price is right. With a bit more r&d they may even be able to put in a small window in future. It doesn't have to be large or perfectly round.

I still consider the Titan washer to be the most innovative front loader design in recent years. To have the wash cylinder double as a removable dirty/clean laundry basket is extremely clever and practical.


Post# 310590 , Reply# 33   10/21/2008 at 03:48 (5,638 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

I bet my ass that this is a prototype/pre-market washer from Dyson! Some kind of new contrarotator!

Post# 310592 , Reply# 34   10/21/2008 at 04:14 (5,638 days old) by favorit ()        
Alex - water tank

I remember that FL too. It was a early 60ies Indesit (true Turin-made indesit). It looked very .. Bendish ;-)
It had a hidden tank over the tub and a switch to choose btw re-use and drain. To reuse one had to open the upper lid and pull out the plug in the "sink" to let the saved water flow over the drum in the tub

BTW I agree with Louis, Gansky and mrX.
Also I think -in long terms- DishDrawers are prone to leaks too, as pipes move each time one opens/closes


Post# 310619 , Reply# 35   10/21/2008 at 07:41 (5,637 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
GRANDI!!!

Gabriele,
if this is not a Photoshop joke... well, I'm really impressed. As neither the contrarotar had got so much success I wonder how could they think this will have!

Carlo,
I don't remeber exaclty but it might be an Indes model, a mother brand of nowadays Indesit.

I suspect then that this systema is to take the advantage of the ever more diffuse floor heating, so keeping a tank in contact with the floor "heating" may help it to increase the temperature of the water there inside, but this would be good to wash with 30-40°C max of the water temp...what about then with the incredible "sanitize" (over 60°C) cycle once more requested!??!

Diomede


Post# 310781 , Reply# 36   10/21/2008 at 20:49 (5,637 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
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completey new style machine possible after all the designs that have been tried. Impressive attempt.

I like the idea of the sliding drawer and one touch button but that would not cover everything one needs to wash. Hence Electrolux's new machine with almost infinite cycle options.

It reminds me of the Launderall, a clossal failure due to engineering out on a ledge (eooal). The Launderall had a one touch control that you couldn't stop once it was started and a very complex reversing transmission that killed the machine. This machine is banking on a business model that your sole "reason" for purchase will be that you A) don't need to see the wash action and suds level and B) You really hate pulling clothes out of a front loader door.
Those are the only two differentiating features from a standard front loader.

Now a question for all front loader users: How many times have you started a load and seen a piece of clothing bleeding onto the wash and you have stopped and drained the machine to pull the offending piece out befor it ruined your entire wash?

That is something impossible to do in this machine.

Basically , I think, what their business model is trading off is "convenience" against "really addressing all of your laundry needs". There is no one cycle I know of that will cover the majority of wash needs in an average household, is there?

With one button how does a machine tell cotton from wool from polyester?


Matty nice find but I have to rate this a collectors only machine like the Launderall. I can't see it as a daily driver.





Post# 310792 , Reply# 37   10/21/2008 at 21:28 (5,637 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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A) Leakage...

B) Pull out the drawer after the cycle, some residual water drips or pours out onto the floor. Slip and fall, or throw back out bending over to wipe it up.

Hmmm... I really like the machine, but wouldn't want from the first generation...


Post# 310896 , Reply# 38   10/22/2008 at 09:36 (5,636 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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hey
its got more than one program, as it says it remembers your last three washes, maybe with that one button/dial you can select fabric type and it will be displayed on the lcd!
Who knows!


Post# 310923 , Reply# 39   10/22/2008 at 11:49 (5,636 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I thought the same thing as dyson: it's probably a not just a button but also a dial - similar to what Miele uses for the Navitronic.

I wonder about the spin cycle. It's indeed a large drum but there does not seem to be an outer tub with shock absorbers. How does is handle off-balance loads? I guess the washer has to be very heavy, since it's not a solid-mount design. I also assume (hope) it still lets you dose detergent and softener manually - for those who use different additives for different cycles.

BTW: the space between drum and outer tub seems very small - so where is the lid? Inside the drum?


Post# 310958 , Reply# 40   10/22/2008 at 14:00 (5,636 days old) by favorit ()        
Alex

you' re right !
More : when pulled out,the drum is connected with the drawer door. If this connection is permanent I bet the drawer crashes at the first slightly imbalanced spin

So the drum should have 2 Titan-like pins that work this way :
DRAWER OPEN - the outer pin catches drawer/door sys while back pin free.
DRAWER CLOSED - the inner pin ins connected with the shaft/pulley sys while outer pin is disconnected

It doesn't seem such a reliable design.
I guess a design with the whole [tub + motor + suspension] mounted on the drawer would be much more solid.
I' d like to read ThomasOrtega's opinion about this crazy machine

Carlo



Post# 310964 , Reply# 41   10/22/2008 at 14:20 (5,636 days old) by favorit ()        
JETCONE

One touch programming.I hope it'll be i.pod-like as Dyson2drums and Alex say.
Otherwise I'd stay away from an extreme "6th-sense"(whirlpoolically speaking)selfprogramming machine
My machine has a "mixed fabrics" (now is called "automatic") that SHOULD "understand" if the load is mosly cottons or mostly perm press and behave consequently.
It relies on fabrics absorption : cotton SHOULD absorb more water than poly. But this isn't ever true
Thick polies (as fleece and pile) get heavy when wet.
Lightweight cottons (AC shirts) absorb very little.
So the machine swaps fabric and program : poly not cooled down and fully spun, cotton cooled down and intermittently spun
Miele knew it as they locked spin @ 900rpm in both cases and temp @ 40°C/105°F to avoid disasters *LOL*
Some years ago AEG Lavamats introduced a unique perma/cotton program. Later they went back with perma prog. and cotton progr

TCALSS i never use "Mixed load" . I run them on perma press

Carlo



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