Thread Number: 19665
Restoring the 1959 Lady Kenmore....... |
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Post# 315911 , Reply# 4   11/19/2008 at 08:03 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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So the disassembly started: This is a VERY complicated washer with a complex system of hoses and Check Valves, along with a suds saver diverter valve..... The rust totally plugged up the NOS pump I had put on........ |
Post# 315914 , Reply# 6   11/19/2008 at 08:09 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Flushing and draining the washer over and over didnt help as the rust was still present.......So there was no choice but to remove the inner tub and see what was going on....... |
Post# 315915 , Reply# 7   11/19/2008 at 08:10 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Top removed........ |
Post# 315916 , Reply# 8   11/19/2008 at 08:11 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Removing the tub nut........ |
Post# 315918 , Reply# 9   11/19/2008 at 08:12 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Inner wash tub removed, it was not as bad as I thought but there were still little dams of rust in the tub.....all of which were blocking the system and the check valves when pumping out........ |
Post# 315919 , Reply# 10   11/19/2008 at 08:13 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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And the source of the rust? The dreaded spin shaft rust.......oh oh.......NOT a good sign........ |
Post# 315921 , Reply# 11   11/19/2008 at 08:16 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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The next step is to try and halt the rust from continuing.......I thought it best NOT to removed the outer tub at this point, but just to reseal the bottom donut seal with silicone and then to paint the spin shaft with POR-15 |
Post# 315922 , Reply# 12   11/19/2008 at 08:18 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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I also siliconed ALL the possible places in the outer tub where a leak could (and did) occur.....The four screws at the bottom of the tub were also loose and needed tightening.....this the water port for the pressure switch.... |
Post# 315923 , Reply# 13   11/19/2008 at 08:21 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Now for a nasty job.......trying to repair the "self-cleaning" filter..... This is the chamber for the filter..... |
Post# 315924 , Reply# 14   11/19/2008 at 08:22 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Its made to be easily taken apart so I guess the original designers felt it could be serviced........ |
Post# 315925 , Reply# 15   11/19/2008 at 08:23 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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More of the filter....... |
Post# 315926 , Reply# 16   11/19/2008 at 08:25 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Here is the filter "split" in half........ it was totally blocked with not only rusticles but also a big glob of lint....... |
Post# 315928 , Reply# 18   11/19/2008 at 08:28 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Inside of one half of the filter chamber....... |
Post# 315930 , Reply# 19   11/19/2008 at 08:29 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Opposite side, with the glass balls removed for cleaning and the lint taken out........these are the two rubber bumpers..... |
Post# 315931 , Reply# 20   11/19/2008 at 08:30 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Glass balls and Lint........ |
Post# 315932 , Reply# 21   11/19/2008 at 08:31 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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All cleaned out, and ready to reassemble....... |
Post# 315933 , Reply# 22   11/19/2008 at 08:33 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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I was lucky to have the service manual for this washer. It describes the system for those of you who like me are facinated by its workings.......So here you go! |
Post# 315934 , Reply# 23   11/19/2008 at 08:34 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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more......... |
Post# 315935 , Reply# 24   11/19/2008 at 08:35 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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talk about complicated ! |
Post# 315936 , Reply# 25   11/19/2008 at 08:36 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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more........ |
Post# 315937 , Reply# 26   11/19/2008 at 08:37 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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and yet more...... |
Post# 315938 , Reply# 27   11/19/2008 at 08:39 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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for Suds Return.... Notice the Check Valves in the system. They are very important for proper operation.......and a real pain when they dont work properly..... |
Post# 315940 , Reply# 28   11/19/2008 at 08:40 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Here is one of the check valves close up. This one worked fine, thank goodness. This is the lower check valve, used in place of the usual sump, on the underside of the washer... |
Post# 315943 , Reply# 29   11/19/2008 at 08:43 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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It consists of a little rubber ball in a "sump". The ball floats up or down according to the flow of the water... |
Post# 315949 , Reply# 32   11/19/2008 at 08:52 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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Better picture of the old valve vs. the new valve...... |
Post# 315951 , Reply# 34   11/19/2008 at 08:56 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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New check valve installed |
Post# 315954 , Reply# 37   11/19/2008 at 09:07 (5,629 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)   |   | |
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A final water test before reassembly. All systems worked, no leaks, it filters and drains...... The washer as shown in the previous link is all back together and works (so far) beautifully. Man, what a complicated washer, but I love it. |
Post# 315966 , Reply# 38   11/19/2008 at 10:45 (5,629 days old) by tuthill ()   |   | |
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Thank you for posting this! Certainly the best of 1959. How much of that extra stuff was dreamed up by Kenmore? Could you get all of those features on a TOL Whirlpool? |
Post# 315970 , Reply# 39   11/19/2008 at 10:56 (5,629 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Jimmy - Its a shame that you had all that trouble with the pumps. The 3-port pump is useful only in machines made from 1976 forward, which have either a waterfall manual filter or a non-recirculating filter under the basket (late production models after 1982 or so). The three port with the boxy chamber as shown on the left in your picture is not capable of recirculating water directionally through the pump as the old 2-port is. Water flows through the inlet in only one direction and the recirculation is accomblished from the tiny third port, whereas in the two port water flow reverses direction based on the position of the shift lever and is always flowing in one side and out the other. All the shift lever does in the three port is open or close the back port for draining. The three port you show pumps massive amounts of water per time as compared to the older pumps. Whoever advised you to use it on your beautiful machine was mistaken - that pump design wasn't "born" until your machine was 17 years old. If in the future you have any issues with NOS pumps leaking, I have had some success with putting hot water through them - a load or two to make the parts warm up and expand has usually made a new pump seal itself again. What fantastic shape the outer tub is in. That is GREAT. I think your decision not to pull it was smart - those rusty centerposts can often cause the tub lip to crack when pulling the tub, then it is much harder to seal. I hope you enjoy the machine for many years. Great job! Gordon |
Post# 315973 , Reply# 40   11/19/2008 at 11:17 (5,629 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Another interesting tidbit about those pumps.... The majority of Whirlpool/Kenmore belt drive machines in the 80s were made to use the three port pump (WP's part number was 285317) though a few models used the old two and four port pumps. One would expect that of the belt drive parts still supported by WP, it would be those still in most demand. Logic would then have it that whatever was used last and in most volume would be most in demand today. Well, the three port 285317 is not available now from Whirlpool, yet the older two and four port pumps are (350365 and 350367). They are made in Brazil for/by Brastemp and exported to the U.S. Apparently Brastemp never used the "new" three port design. The cool part is they're made of bright blue plastic and more closely resemble the original appearance of the plastic pumps from the late 60s. The three port is offered by Supco now (taken over from Gemline) and is even offered by Sears when a 285317 is needed. I have not had much experience with their pumps - has anyone else? |
Post# 315974 , Reply# 41   11/19/2008 at 11:38 (5,629 days old) by autowasherfreak ()   |   | |
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That was very fascinating! I can't wait to get started on my Lady Kenmore! James |
Post# 316050 , Reply# 44   11/19/2008 at 17:51 (5,629 days old) by mihi ()   |   | |
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this is one awesome report. and the photo's are great. Good job on this washer! |
Post# 316052 , Reply# 45   11/19/2008 at 17:54 (5,629 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 316080 , Reply# 47   11/19/2008 at 21:07 (5,629 days old) by danelto (State College, PA)   |   | |
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A+++ You did an excellent job on this project. Thanks for educating all of us! |
Post# 316179 , Reply# 48   11/20/2008 at 14:43 (5,628 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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