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Post# 328788 2/4/2009 at 18:37 (5,553 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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Finally, after delaying it's introduction from November until February it's here: GE's new Steam Dishwasher with Smart Dispense. It's cycle times are fast but it'll also use up to 10 gallons of water... For the Steam Pre-Wash Option it says: "After the second pre-wash fill, the dishwasher stops the water circulation and activates the calrod heater. Water dripping from the glassware and dishware falls onto the calrod heater and creates a wall of steam to help loosen soils before the main wash." Not too exciting, IMO. BASKETS 
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Post# 328789 , Reply# 1 2/4/2009 at 18:38 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 328790 , Reply# 2 2/4/2009 at 18:39 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 328791 , Reply# 3 2/4/2009 at 18:40 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 328793 , Reply# 4 2/4/2009 at 18:41 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 328794 , Reply# 5 2/4/2009 at 18:42 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 328795 , Reply# 6 2/4/2009 at 18:43 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 328796 , Reply# 7 2/4/2009 at 18:44 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 328797 , Reply# 8 2/4/2009 at 18:46 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 328802 , Reply# 9 2/4/2009 at 19:09 (5,553 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 328808 , Reply# 10 2/4/2009 at 20:19 (5,553 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Oh no - it's not available anywhere in Europe. Actually, don't even know if GE Sells appliances over here. And that kind of water consumption is waaaay too much for European standards. Over here, dishwashers use about 4 gallons for a Pots & Pans cycle and 3 for a regular cycle. Miele claims its Sensor Wash cycle will use only 2 gallons if it senses light soil (wash, rinse, rinse). What I wonder about: the manual says that when pressing Added Heat / Extra Hot Wash / Temp Boost "the cycle will run longer with heating element on to improve both wash and dry performance." So, will the dishwasher otherwise not heat at all? | ||
| Post# 328826 , Reply# 12 2/5/2009 at 00:18 (5,552 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 328827 , Reply# 13 2/5/2009 at 01:00 (5,552 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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That's a fine-looking dishwasher that appears to have very flexible loading options. But I have to say that I would miss the upper silverware/cutlery rack on my LG. Speaking of LG, I visited their website recently, and the TOL model 8910 dishwasher (the one I have) is gone! They put the steam feature on a lower model, and it's now their TOL. Unfortunately, it doesn't have the upper cutlery rack. The new TOL model is rated at 50 db for sound, and mine is 45 db. Glad I bought mine when I did! Oddly, there is a "Previous Models" button on the dishwasher page, and when you choose it, you can see the models they used to offer, and model 8910 is there. But I don't think you can actually order any of the 'previous models'. Very strange. | ||
| Post# 328916 , Reply# 14 2/5/2009 at 14:27 (5,552 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
Hee-hee! | ||
| Post# 328928 , Reply# 15 2/5/2009 at 15:39 (5,552 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Eugene - our LG's turned out to be too expensive for most markets. Their "replacements" are now under $1,000, versus the retail on the 8910 of almost $1500. They didn't sell too many, which is a shame, because it's a damned good dishwasher. | ||
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Post# 328933 , Reply# 16 2/5/2009 at 16:10 (5,552 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 328950 , Reply# 19 2/5/2009 at 18:03 (5,552 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Andrew and Bob---I've owned many dishwashers in my adult life, and my LG 8910 is the best-cleaning, biggest capacity, most energy efficient one I've ever had. I just hope it remains reliable. Even the stainless steel interior is of better quality than the KitchenAids and Maytags I've had. After eight months of heavy use there are no water lines or marks on the interior. It's shiny as a mirror. | ||
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Post# 328951 , Reply# 20 2/5/2009 at 18:16 (5,552 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Nice to see GE is back in the appliance business!
Or are they? Is this a Haier made product? I will say, after their Potsrubber nightmare machines, GE always had IMHO some of the best designed upper racks in the business. Very roomy and clever as this one appears to be and they've addressed my biggest pet peeve: draining the bottoms of glassware. I appreciated this post, both for info on the GE and all of the info on the LG. Although I though GE manuactured the LG dishmachines and dryers in this country.
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| Post# 329566 , Reply# 22 2/9/2009 at 21:55 (5,547 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
we have a GE TT6200 in our rented townhouse at school. They clean VERY well. I'd be hard pressed to get any other brand than GE at this time. Their TT 6 level wash system is light years ahead of what they used to make. IIRC, GE's programming always heats the main wash to 140F. With their giant Calrod heater, they can boost the temp of the 1.2gal tank pretty dang quick. The SaniRinse in the Anitibacteria cycle is only 15-20min, longer than a standard final rinse. I think this is one feature that is nice and able to allow GE to have much shorter wash times than their counterparts. And YES, I love my 45 min. Normal wash, which comes in at a mere 5.5gal water use. | ||
| Post# 329567 , Reply# 23 2/9/2009 at 21:57 (5,547 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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steam | ||
| Post# 329635 , Reply# 25 2/10/2009 at 14:25 (5,547 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
STOP
I love my rain sensing windshield wipers. It isn't lazy, it's safety. You don't even have to take you hands off the cell phone while driving. The wipers come on when they are needed. As an added bonus, when the wipers activate it turns on the headlights to be in compliance with the new law "Wipers on Headlights on." As for the smartdispense. I do think it's a gimmick and a costly add on. The GE profile washer has the dispense drawer that addes $650, but what a bunch of tubing to go nasty on you in a few years. I will just add my own detergent--just to keep it simple; I'll use the Cascade/Dawn packs. | ||
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Post# 329636 , Reply# 26 2/10/2009 at 14:37 (5,547 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 329646 , Reply# 27 2/10/2009 at 15:33 (5,547 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 329700 , Reply# 28 2/10/2009 at 22:01 (5,546 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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And sometimes when you're talking on the phone and it starts to rain, you might forget to switch the wipers on!! It's nice that the car does it for you...... | ||
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Post# 329743 , Reply# 29 2/11/2009 at 07:14 (5,546 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 329838 , Reply# 30 2/11/2009 at 16:45 (5,546 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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i'm not sure the "smart dispense" is a gimmick per se. But it definitely is a luxury, not a necessity. GE's marketing claim is that many dish loads need more or less soap (usually less) based on the load soil. We all know people love to pre rinse, so the dishwasher can decide how much soap to use, therefore pumping less chemicals down the drain and saving money on soap etc. It will also take into consideration your water hardness. Now, will the soap savings pay for this machine? ha, probably not. | ||
| Post# 329839 , Reply# 31 2/11/2009 at 16:48 (5,546 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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big blue spray arm
i just thought of something. that big blue arm might have a function. what causes a good amount of noise in a dishwasher besides the spray? the water falling back to the tub. that's why dishwashers with sump suds lock sound so silent. maybe the idea is for the water to hit that wash arm first, having less distance to roll back into the tub, to dampen the splashing noise???? interesting concept. | ||
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Post# 330021 , Reply# 32 2/12/2009 at 18:16 (5,545 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Never hear water when it reaches the bottom of my Kenmore 18" dw (made by Frigidare), however that does not mean your theory is incorrect. Most noise one hears is from the motor, water hitting sides and top of the inside,pump and the built in waste disposer. My unit does use a good amount of water, and therefore assume any water hitting the bottom of the tub would merely fall into water. L. | ||
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Post# 330044 , Reply# 34 2/12/2009 at 20:48 (5,544 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 330055 , Reply# 35 2/12/2009 at 22:49 (5,544 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Steam
Same principle one sees in those infomercials trying to sell "steam cleaners" for domestic housecleaning. Steam is very effective in loosening and if the pressure is great enough, removing all sorts of muck and grime, with very little effort required. Steam dishwashers were an answer to the tough problem of stuck on foods, pre-enzyme containing dishwasher detergents. Unlike the steam one sees upon opening the door of a dishwasher or coming out of the vents (which is nothing more than the condensation caused by hot or very hot water meeting the cooler air outside the unit, a chamber full of steam (in theory), should melt off or at least greatly loosen burnt-on, baked-on, dried-on and otherwise tough foods from dishes. | ||
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Post# 330060 , Reply# 36 2/12/2009 at 23:43 (5,544 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Steam contains much more heat energy than boiling water. Water boils at 212°F, true ... but MORE heat energy must be applied to change it into steam (steam is actually an invisible vapor). The water droplets one sees when steam hits a cooler surface such as a pot lid, or wafts through the air, is water condensed from the steam.
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Post# 330136 , Reply# 38 2/13/2009 at 14:10 (5,544 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Steam Power
Is what started the "Industrial Revolution". Locomotives, power plants, factory equipment,ships, and the lot, anything formerly powered by oxen, persons,wind or even water was now powered by steam. Bringing this on topic, commercial laundries were some of the first businesses to harness steam power, hence the term "steam laundry". Today, while most machines in a laundry will have their own motors, eliminating the need for all those belts and such from central power, a central steam boiler still provides steam for heating dryers, irons, water in washing machines, finishing equipment and so forth. Tis far easier to maintain and operate one central boiler than, many scattered about. Of course then as now one has to know how to handle such beasts. High pressure steam is not something to fool around with. L. | ||
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Post# 330364 , Reply# 41 2/14/2009 at 23:08 (5,542 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 330491 , Reply# 42 2/15/2009 at 15:19 (5,542 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Good point Eugene, I forgot about the dreaded pasta and starch rings! I wash those in the upper rack, so they get the full effect of steam discharge...even the Normal cycle takes that off with the Steam option. | ||
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