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Post# 330785   2/17/2009 at 09:30 (5,536 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Does anyone know where I can get a 1/2 inch compression to garden hose male adapter? Miele supplies 1/4 inch compression to male garden hose, but not 1/2. What a totally different installation than a US dw. It's all hoses and cord, and nothing can be under or around the machine. All has to be in the adjacent cabinet.
Bobby in Boston




Post# 330789 , Reply# 1   2/17/2009 at 10:02 (5,536 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

Homo Depot has a huge selection of adapters and fittings for all types of plumbing.

Ask for help if needed. Oftentimes a knolwedgable "plumbing aisle" person can zoom-in-on in seconds what would take a shopper a half hour to find.

Post# 330792 , Reply# 2   2/17/2009 at 10:26 (5,536 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Miele..Immer Besser..!!!

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Hi Bobby...new dishwasher!!!! have I missed something!!!

Are you having a kitchen re-fit or just appliances??

have fun, Mike

Post# 330797 , Reply# 3   2/17/2009 at 11:00 (5,536 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I know I thought that same thing too! DETAILS!!!

Post# 330798 , Reply# 4   2/17/2009 at 11:20 (5,536 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Hey All!
This is an install in my BF's kitchen. The Miele will replace a BOL Whirlpool. I'll take some pics to share. What a pain, as the European models are smaller and connect very differently than American machines. I knew I should have stuck in an old KitchenAid!
Bobby in Boston
BTW, no luck with Home Depot, Steve.

Post# 330799 , Reply# 5   2/17/2009 at 11:31 (5,536 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Ohh

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You know really he needs a Miele!!! looking forward to hearing what you think of it!!!

Mike

Post# 330801 , Reply# 6   2/17/2009 at 11:38 (5,536 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Bobby I am surprised your not going to have a Miele installer do the work. The guy that installed ours had everything he needed to do the install...even adapters. You might want to give Miele a shout and tell them what you need...more than likely they will get you the right piece that you need.

Post# 330803 , Reply# 7   2/17/2009 at 11:48 (5,536 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Will do Maineman. Miele sent a 1/4 inch coupler, but the existing line is 1/2. It would make my life easier because the supply line is at the base of a cabinet with about six inches to work in. If I soldered a new line the place would probably end up in flames.
Bobby in Boston

Post# 331830 , Reply# 8   2/23/2009 at 06:09 (5,530 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

Bobby:

Sounds like you are attempting to use just one adapter, which is smart!

But you may need two or three to get from pipe to machine.


Post# 331836 , Reply# 9   2/23/2009 at 06:50 (5,530 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Found the 1/2 inch compression adapter at Metropolitan pipe in Cambridge, 5 minutes from the house. Next question: The old Whirlpool was on a 20 amp circuit. The Miele requires a 15 amp circuit. Is it OK to use the old 20 amp circuit. Toggles, I am relying on your electrical expertise. I had to shim the cabinet, too. Miele is not a standard 24 inch, but 23-3/8". Thank goodness for Hingham Lumber, who stocks all woods and mills them on site.
Bobby in Boston

Post# 331898 , Reply# 10   2/23/2009 at 12:25 (5,530 days old) by favorit ()        
20 amp circuit

 Hi Bobby,
IMHO you can use the old circuit without any problem. Those wires are thicker than the ones required on a 15 amp circuit. Just check the fuse/safety switch : it shouldn't be over 20 amp

Post# 331931 , Reply# 11   2/23/2009 at 14:41 (5,530 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

~The Miele requires a 15 amp circuit.
MINIMUM is the missing word.

(Is there any other kind?)
Well, actually I believe general lighitng circuits may have been all of 10a in the WAY beginning of electricity.

20amp appliance circuits and 15a general lighting circuits are frequently used interchangably, from the end-user's point of view.

One exception is that a washer was 10a and a gas dryer 6a so that one needed a 20a circuit to handle it, (out of one duplex outlet and one circuit/line) rather than a 15a one.


Of course if you are a purist and paranoid and have a fuse box, you COULD put a 15a fuse on a dedicted DW circuit that has 20a wire. (But NOT the other way around). Make a note of it to reverse it later (in years), as needed.

If you have circuit-brekaers. Leave it alone!

The puropse, BTW, of grounding ("earthing") is that should there be a current/voltage leakage, it will run via the frame of the machine and the ground wire/conductor to the earth. A short-circuit like this would theoretically pull so much current that it will blow a fuse or trip the circuit breaker. This is preferable to having an ungrounded unit that will leak current through you (and yoru heart) killing ya, in that you, the person touching the machine who becomes the link to ground.


A GF(C)I (ground-fault [circuit] interruptor a/k/a a residual-current detector overseas) takes this one setp further, if current "out" doesn't equal current "in", there is a leakage to ground and the electronics shut-off the power before it can kill you.


oooh I'm rambling and pontificating again. Sorry. Thanks for the shout-out!

You should be just fine, as is. Go forth fearlessly and be fabulous.

Post# 331954 , Reply# 12   2/23/2009 at 16:00 (5,530 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Thank you Steve! You are a plethora of wonderful knowledge!
Favorit, grazie! E americano o italiano? Di dove viene? La mia famiglia ha venuto da Ancona.
Bobby in Boston

Post# 332891 , Reply# 13   3/1/2009 at 07:50 (5,524 days old) by mrx ()        
Interesting

 I'm amazed that miele doesn't adapt the machine to the local Market a bit more! It seems silly not to go the whole hog and put the connections wherever US machines normally have them!

A European dishwasher hook up is basically the same as a washing machine, although the drain hose often connects to a spigot in the trap under the kitchen sink rather than a stand pipe.

They typically draw about 2900w max do comfortably work on a 16 amp plug of Uk & Ireland 13a plug

Post# 332919 , Reply# 14   3/1/2009 at 09:46 (5,524 days old) by favorit ()        

@ Bobby

Hi Bobby, I' m Italian and live quite close to Milan.
Ancona : the Marche region is as beautiful as Tuscany .... and there, in Fabriano, are the Indesit CO headquarters (Hotpoint-Ariston) :))

@ Mrx : what about German appliances in the sixties/seventies ? they had somewhat powerful heaters inside
Before Xmas i saw a vintage Miele (guess a 421) in a store. It has 3 x 2000 W heaters. I read on the German forum it took just five minutes from tap cold to boiling.
6KW washer + 6 KW dryer + 6 kw dishwasher + oven + range + ...
I wonder if they had their own power station in the basement ;-))

Post# 332933 , Reply# 15   3/1/2009 at 11:15 (5,524 days old) by mrx ()        

Those really high power machines ran on 3phase power. Three lives (hots), neutral and ground. In Europe that's 400 volts. Not very comonly used for non-commercial laundry anymore. You can still get large capacity dryers that either use 3 phase or a single hardwired 32 Amp 230v single phase connection.

Post# 332935 , Reply# 16   3/1/2009 at 11:26 (5,524 days old) by mrx ()        
400 (formerly 380V) connector

 Those machines would have been connected up with a Perilex plug

Article in Dutch below: (anyone can really read it, it's not very complex!)

CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrx's LINK
Post# 332944 , Reply# 17   3/1/2009 at 12:03 (5,524 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

I can't!


So Mr. X.:

Can one presume that the spacing and thickness of the pins is such that one can not plug "standard" European plugs (Schucko?) across say two of those holes in the receptacle in error?


N & L1 230v OK
N & L2 230v OK

L1 & L3 could cause fireworks at 400v!

Post# 332975 , Reply# 18   3/1/2009 at 13:17 (5,524 days old) by mrx ()        

Standard European CEE 7/7 (Grounded) "Schuko" or CEE 7/16 (Ungrounded) "Europlug" do not fit these outlets. The pin spacing is substantially different. There is also an interlock mechanism on any of them that I've seen that only opens when a perilex plug is inserted.

They're quite safe!

They're only used in Germany, Netherlands and a few other countries and are not Europe-wide. They're also not suitable for industrial applications, but they're used in light commercial e.g. retail, hospitals and for heavy domestic appliances like ovens, grills, cook tops / hobs, and in the past very powerfully heated washing machines.

There's a French 3-phase plug used for similar purposes in France and Belgium.

The UK and Ireland only use the industrial version, which is a big bulky red plug with a pin and sleeve arrangement. This is EU standard.

Also, 3-phase appliances are practically unheard of here outside of a commercial environment.

French/Belgian 3-phase outlet:

Post# 332976 , Reply# 19   3/1/2009 at 13:18 (5,524 days old) by mrx ()        
And the plug..

 Here's the plug:

Post# 332977 , Reply# 20   3/1/2009 at 13:20 (5,524 days old) by mrx ()        

These are really only used for semi-fixed appliances i.e. things like cooktops/hobs/ovens etc. So, in general the main reason they exist is to allow someone to install an oven etc without having to call an electrician or have any specialist skills, which is the case here (they're all hardwired to 32A single phase circuits)

Post# 333130 , Reply# 21   3/2/2009 at 07:59 (5,523 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

~Also, 3-phase appliances are practically unheard of here outside of a commercial environment.

Likewise on my side of the pond. Have only seen one private home (1-family residence) with 3-phase power. (Was owned by an electrician).

The only 3-phase "appliance" is the central air-condtioner. As a matter fo fact, the home has natural gas heating, hot water, cooking and clothes drying.

3-phase power was only available due to the house being in an area zoned industrial/commercial and having such "land-use" nearby. When "220v" here is obtaind from 3-phase source it is called (and is) 110/208v.

I am blisfully unaware of a 3-phase power receptacle for use in a residential setting.



Post# 333322 , Reply# 22   3/3/2009 at 00:38 (5,523 days old) by andyelectrolux (Canton, MA)        

Congrats on the Miele Bobby. Can't wait to hear how it works!

Post# 333378 , Reply# 23   3/3/2009 at 10:29 (5,522 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Neat electrical stuff, mrx! I shimmed the cabinet this weekend. Will take pics at the install.
Bobby in Boston


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