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| Post# 343336 4/18/2009 at 13:49 (5,480 days old) by dixieland (Memphis) | ||
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Ok so I went to a local dealer yesterday to price a Miele 4840 wahser and 9800 dryer. To my shock... the machines, plus delivery/setup and electrical cord is gonna run me about $4,500.00! Isn't that insane? | ||
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| Post# 343340 , Reply# 1 4/18/2009 at 14:40 (5,480 days old) by mielabor () | ||
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Is an electrical cord not standard on washers in the USA? | ||
Post# 343365 , Reply# 3 4/18/2009 at 16:12 (5,480 days old) by launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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No More 220V Miele Washing Machines For USA Market
Miele no longer sells 220v washing machines for the domestic USA market. All new offerings are now 120v. Obviously on such "low" power "boil washes" are no longer offered, and IIRC the max wash temp is around 140F or maybe 180F. Miele finally stopped wasting their breath trying to get Americans to purchase a 220v powered washing machine, when only a small number of homes had such power in their laundry area. Yes, some homes had a 220v/30 amp outlet for dryers, but that is not always true as many homes use natural or propane gas for their tumble dryers. The natural market for the rather "small" 5kg and later 6kg Miele washing machines were persons living in apartments, condos, or co-ops, and even there there wasn't univeral 220v service. Where it wasn't the cost of running the lines (assuming the building gave permission, and the electric wiring could handle the load), could easily equal half or more of the washing machine. Of course this applied if one used a union/certified electrican (read handing over several grand for a very easy one or two hour job (if that)). | ||
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Post# 343366 , Reply# 4 4/18/2009 at 16:14 (5,480 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 343368 , Reply# 5 4/18/2009 at 16:33 (5,480 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Fiberglass Outer Tub | ||
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Post# 343376 , Reply# 6 4/18/2009 at 17:19 (5,480 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Actually | ||
| Post# 343545 , Reply# 8 4/19/2009 at 17:16 (5,479 days old) by drhardee ( Columbia, SC) | ||
So, does this mean I can use a small amount of LCB in my Miele W1930? I ask, because 180F washes even with STPP ain't gettin' the whites as white as I remember them being when I could use LCB in the FriGEMore. The owners' manual of said machine says "DO NOT use bleach in this machine!" I figured it was a seals or rubber boot damage thing. I think this machine has inner and outer SS tubs. I'm waiting on tenterhooks... | ||
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Post# 343548 , Reply# 9 4/19/2009 at 17:28 (5,479 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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NO!!! | ||
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Post# 343552 , Reply# 10 4/19/2009 at 18:15 (5,479 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Routine use of LCB in Miele washers, aside from such as indicated in the owner's manual will harm the unit. It is not only the stainless steel, but various sensors and such that lie between the tubs. Obviously Miele changed materials for the newest series offered in the United States to allow for the heavy use of chlorine bleach. That being said, Miele customer service and our local tech stated occasional use *might* not cause harm, but then again one never knows, does one? L. | ||
| Post# 343687 , Reply# 12 4/20/2009 at 10:54 (5,478 days old) by nmaineman36 () | ||
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the insides of the washer washer side 
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| Post# 343688 , Reply# 13 4/20/2009 at 10:55 (5,478 days old) by nmaineman36 () | ||
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inside washer front 
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| Post# 343689 , Reply# 14 4/20/2009 at 10:56 (5,478 days old) by nmaineman36 () | ||
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the set washer and dryer 
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| Post# 343694 , Reply# 16 4/20/2009 at 11:40 (5,478 days old) by mielabor () | ||
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Interesting, I have two questions: 1. Is the adapter cord all that is needed to run a machine on 120V instead of 220V? 2. Can you do a 95C (203F) wash in a machine with a plastic tub? | ||
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Post# 343697 , Reply# 17 4/20/2009 at 11:52 (5,478 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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The washer is wired to only run on 120V, it can't be run on 220V. The dryer merely needed a different cord or adapter to match the outlet, all of our 220V outlets are not the same in the US. The heater on the washer from my understanding is activated ONLY on the Sanitary cycle which raises the wash temp to 158F. The washer cannot get any hotter.
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| Post# 343717 , Reply# 20 4/20/2009 at 14:01 (5,478 days old) by favorit () | ||
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Hi Mike, was just wondering if the W48XX "Delicate" cycle is water generous as in euromieles. Does it fill nearly half the tub, so that clothes float like in a US TL rather than tumbling ? | ||
| Post# 343720 , Reply# 21 4/20/2009 at 14:13 (5,478 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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INOX tubs Carlo: Indesit company still has some models with stainless steel outer tubs, all the 5kg models still have it! CLICK HERE TO GO TO dj-gabriele's LINK | ||
| Post# 343749 , Reply# 25 4/20/2009 at 15:26 (5,478 days old) by favorit () | ||
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thanks so delicate loads are 1/4 cylinder max .... It looks similar to our outerwear/skisuits cycle (this one actually spins after wash and last rinse only) | ||
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Post# 343750 , Reply# 26 4/20/2009 at 15:28 (5,478 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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NMainman
Welcome to my world! *LOL* Purchased the Hoover twinne for times when one wishes to plough through laundry without taking all day, and perhaps half the evening. Saving grace is that my vintage Miele has a mechanical timer, so one can adjust cycles to suit. Modern detergents do not require long wash times, even on "short", so if the load is only lightly soiled, will stop washing after about 9 minutes, and go into the rinses. Can and often do skip some of the rinses if one sees that the water is coming out of the hose clear. Again, proper modern detergents designed for "HE" machines rinse much cleaner than of old. Especially with a vintage Miele, which uses tons of water for rinsing (about 11 gallons per rinse fill). L. | ||
| Post# 343883 , Reply# 30 4/21/2009 at 07:46 (5,477 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
Well from an Australian perspective...
....Some do it gradually through the week and others in one hit. Personally, I do most at the weekend (he says with the 2nd load in on a Tuesday!) particularly sheets and towels but it all depends on when certain items are needed. As for hanging washing out, at least 80% of Australians hang theirs on the line as to use a dryer here is considered one of the most wasteful things we can do unless it is the middle of winter (and you have no clothes airers) or raining. ...and 'only' 56% of Australian households have a dryer (Australian Bureau of Stats Mar 2008) | ||
| Post# 343885 , Reply# 31 4/21/2009 at 07:52 (5,477 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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And here are | ||
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Post# 343947 , Reply# 33 4/21/2009 at 13:32 (5,477 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Laundry was always a one day a week affair on both sides of the pond, well the actual washing anyway. It may have been proceeded by a day or two of soaking and such before the actual manual labour, and followed by one day of drying,then another for ironing, finally perhaps one day for mending as well. What changed in Europe is simply the fact as automatic electric washing machines became the norm, the small front loading washers (required design for fitting into most "small" European/UK homes), they were too small to do the vast amounts of laundry in one day, so housewives spaced things out. Europeans who went to laundrettes, still did their laundry on one day, as did those with access to larger washing machines, and or had domestic help to do the deed. By the way, Monday was not the universal day for washing. In some countries it was Tuesday, or even Wednesday. Washing on Monday would have involved gathering and soaking wash on Sunday, which for many was a religous day where no work should be done. Indeed was probably the only day a housewife would have as a "day of rest", aside from getting the usual Sunday roast/joint on the table. L. | ||
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Post# 343974 , Reply# 35 4/21/2009 at 16:22 (5,477 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Less Laundry?
Not exactly true, at least for much of Europe. Remember modern appliances did not truly spread throughout the Western European and UK populations until the post WWII era. Prior to that many, many, many homes lacked much of the mod-cons Amercians had taken for granted by and large for years. This included automatic washing machines, fridges and even indoor plumbing. The generations of Europeans born, growing up from say the 1950's and 1960's came into a world vastly different from their parents. For one thing they certianly ate better, this resulted in children growing taller than their parents. Post war Europe also saw the beginnings of mass consumerism, long part of American culture. Instead of owning say one or two items, people, especially the younger generations began to want and aquire wardrobes of clothing. While nothing as what was going on, on the other side of the pond, it still was much more than say their parents or grandparents would have had when it came to the lower and even middle classes. As for large amounts of laundry, actually there certianly was, going back ages. Even though bathing everyday may not have been a habit in many European homes, changing of body linen (undergarments, shirts, and so forth), was a bit more frequent. Of course the higher up one was on the class ladder, the more often clothing was changed. Considering the vast number of undergarments women wore until the 1920's or so, this could produce vast amounts of laundry. In the homes of the upper classes, where women and even men changed clothing several times a day, this also generated lots of laundry. Then there was bed and table linens to be laundered as well. When laundry was sent out or done at home in coppers, wash tubs and so froth, they tended to be rather large so one could get one with all that washing. | ||
| Post# 344033 , Reply# 36 4/21/2009 at 22:17 (5,477 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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~Two sets of clothing per week + whites for over a week... I mean when you see today, some people change daily their clothing... Only some? | ||
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Post# 344057 , Reply# 37 4/22/2009 at 01:44 (5,477 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Only Some"
Then as now one assumes certian items are not cleaned after each wearing, but merely aired, brushed and put away. Woolens such as skirts, suits and so forth are not and indeed should not be cleaned after just one wearing. Even modern dry cleaning methods will greatly shorten the lifespan of a garment if it is cleaned too often. The closer to the naked body a garment is worn, then obviously the more often it should be laundered. Still have heard horrible stories of persons who do not change undergarments daily. Still, considering modern santitation and hygeine, especially for most Americans, people in the West are far less dirty than previous generations. Whereas a Saturday night bath did for many, today many Americans bathe twice or more a day. This holds true for persons working in air conditioned offices, arrive there in air conditioned cars, and most every place they go is air conditioned as well. | ||
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